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Title: WATCH THIS, THE LOCALS KNOW THE FERGUSON RIOTERS ARE PAID
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Published: Aug 20, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-08-20 20:08:23 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)
First of all it was not the locals doing the rioting. Many of the locals of Ferguson were not prepared to even set on the streets to protest as they had never done this before. They were totally unorganized.
After speaking with a freelance reporter and another from USAToday, yesterday and beforehand, they told me that the people doing the rioting were from out of town and many were not even from Ferguson. Many of them never even grew up in Ferguson and were not even familiar with the area at all. The one reporter I spoke to made a comment about this on FNC yesterday afternoon. In other words, the ones doing the actual rioting and destruction of local businesses and the throwing water bottles and assaulting police were agent provocateurs.
Second, if anyone is interested here is the Petition that is being submitted to the White House concerning Michael Brown.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mike-brown-law-requires-all-state-county-and-local-police-wear-camera/8tlS5czf

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 13:32:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Horse, 4 (#0)
The Ferguson riot is typical of every riot I've been involved in, including the influx of outside agitators. My point being, since LBJs 1964 Civil Rights act, and the injection of trillions? of taxpayer dollars, Black ghettos are behaving exactly the same as they were 50 years ago. The only difference is the militarization of police departments which people like us identified years ago and rightfully reject.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 14:03:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: purplerose (#1)
i have experience with APs. in Canada at a NAU summit.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2014-08-21 14:10:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: All (#2)
www.nbcnews.com/storyline...rest-records-show-n184036

Jail records obtained by NBC News show that at least 78 people were arrested overnight at the protests in Ferguson, Missouri — more than double the total reported by authorities — and that the overwhelming majority of them were from Missouri.
-Snip
The records show that 18 people from outside Missouri were arrested Monday night and early Tuesday. They came came from as far away as Brooklyn, Washington, D.C., and San Diego.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 14:10:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#4)
dorian johnson charged with theft, filing false statement -

www.ijreview.com/2014/08/...ling-false-police-report/
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 14:49:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4) (Edited)
Yes, numerous arrests were made and of those were white who were amongst many of those rioters throwing water bottles at the cops in a community that is predominantly black.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 15:10:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Lod (#5)
I am still at question as to why this Dorian Johnson was never arrested in the first place.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 15:14:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: purplerose (#7)
Agree, he was an accessory from the get-go.
Ferguson PD is not a genius operation.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 15:17:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: purplerose (#6)
Yes, numerous arrests were made and of those were white who were amongst many of those rioters throwing water bottles at the cops in a community that is predominantly black.

What % of Whites to Blacks were arrested?
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 15:21:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: purplerose (#7)
I am still at question as to why this Dorian Johnson was never arrested in the first place.

The owner of the QT would be the complaint in the matter. We have no idea what he has testified to vis a vis the role Dorian Johnson played in this mess.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 15:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
Can you say Z E R O ?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 15:26:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Lod (#11)
I'd go < 20%
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 15:31:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose (#10)
I am still at question as to why this Dorian Johnson was never arrested in the first place.
The owner of the QT would be the complaint in the matter. We have no idea what he has testified to vis a vis the role Dorian Johnson played in this mess.

You'll notice in the video where Brown reaches behind the counter that Brown first hands Johnson a box of cigars before grabbing the box that he presumably left the store with.
Before the clip ends, Johnson replaces the box he was handed on the counter. So is he an accomplice to the robbery? It looks like he can't be arrested for theft on his part. Accessory to theft of 50 bucks worth of stuff and jaywalking might be considered overkill in a case where there's a shooting involved. The outstanding warrant is another matter.
Curious to know what you think of these facts, Jethro.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2014-08-21 15:47:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose, Lod, X-15, randge, Cynicom, Deasy, christine, Diana, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, All (#10)
Police incident report about Mike Brown's strong arm robbery along with his accomplice, Dorian Johnson. This might bring light to purplerose's question about why Dorian Johnson has not been charged with being an accomplice in the OT strong robbery case.
FYI, purplerose, be prepared to read some bad news - i.e. it appears that MB and DJ, indeed, were main suspects in the crime.
Att'n All: There's a notation at the top of the pages under the slot labeled "Status" wherein the phrase "Exceptionally Cleared" is used.
JT - does that mean because Dorian Johnson is a key witness in the Grand Jury hearing of the Mike Brown/Officer Wilson case as well as possibly being a key witness for the DOJ if Holder decides to charge Officer Wilson for civil rights violations, Dorian Johnson has received "special clearance" from being charged as Mike Brown's accomplice in the robbery?
Mike Brown - for obvious reasons - also has the same "Exceptionally Cleared" notation on the police report.
www.scribd.com/doc/236905...epartment-incident-report

scrapper2 posted on 2014-08-21 15:55:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: randge, Lod, purplerose, 4 (#13)
Accessory to theft of 50 bucks worth of stuff and jaywalking might be considered overkill in a case where there's a shooting involved

Exactly randge.
Johnson is going nowhere and charges can be brought later if warranted.
BTW, Brown wasn't arrested either.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 15:56:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
BTW, Brown wasn't arrested either.

DOH
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 16:09:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose, Lod, X-15, randge, Cynicom, Deasy, christine, Diana, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, All (#14)
1. For what it's worth, here's a def'n re: exceptional clearance from a criminal justice glossary:
plsinfo.org/healthysmc/12/glossary.html

CLEARANCE: a crime is cleared or "solved" for crime reporting purposes when at least one person is arrested, charged with the commission of the crime, and turned over to the court for prosecution or cited to juvenile authorities. In certain situations a clearance may be counted by "exceptional means" when the police definitely know the identity of the offender, have enough information to support an arrest, and know the location of the offender but for some reason cannot take the offender into custody.
2. Here's a def'n/description from the FBI site:
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Cleared by exceptional means
In certain situations, elements beyond law enforcement’s control prevent the agency from arresting and formally charging the offender. When this occurs, the agency can clear the offense exceptionally. Law enforcement agencies must meet the following four conditions in order to clear an offense by exceptional means. The agency must have:
Identified the offender.
Gathered enough evidence to support an arrest, make a charge, and turn over the offender to the court for prosecution.
Identified the offender’s exact location so that the suspect could be taken into custody immediately.
Encountered a circumstance outside the control of law enforcement that prohibits the agency from arresting, charging, and prosecuting the offender.
Examples of exceptional clearances include, but are not limited to, the death of the offender (e.g., suicide or justifiably killed by police or citizen); the victim’s refusal to cooperate with the prosecution after the offender has been identified; or the denial of extradition because the offender committed a crime in another jurisdiction and is being prosecuted for that offense. In the UCR Program, the recovery of property alone does not clear an offense.

scrapper2 posted on 2014-08-21 16:10:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: scrapper2 (#14) (Edited)
Good find scrap.
The Ferguson, PD seems to be using the term "Exceptionally Cleared" to mean that the case is closed by means other than an arrest. With Brown, his death was the "exception" (other than arrest). As far as Johnson, the "exception" isn't known, but as noted there has been no arrest. I'm guessing he is cooperating with the feds.
BTW I'm hearing (from an NYPD forum) there might be some dashboard cam footage from Wilson's radio car that has been entered into evidence.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 16:12:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: scrapper2 (#17)
Thanks for the research - appreciated.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 16:14:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: randge (#13) (Edited)
In a lot of states Dorian Johnson can conceivably have an assault-and-battery charge against Officer Wilson hung around his neck if he can be placed at the scene of Michael Browns' death as an accomplice.

Example- two perps knock over a liquor store. Perp #1 shoots and kills a clerk, Perp #2 is unarmed going in and out of the store. Both Perps escape only to have Perp #2 (the unarmed one) caught. Perp #2 can have the murder charge for the robbery applied against him even though he was unarmed and receive the death penalty.

Maybe Dorian Johnson will pick up an additional charge out of this whole deal.....
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2014-08-21 16:17:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Lod (#16)
DOH

I used to laugh at some cops who would cajole jumpers by saying, "it's against the law to commit suicide." True story.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 16:18:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose, Lod, purplerose, 4 (#15)
Thot I'd throw this in the hopper. It's kind of speculative like a lot of stuff that I find on Rumor Mill News. It links back to here, and the article maintains that Darren Wilson will not be charged.
Just a heads up to folks here to be on the lookout for news that corroborates this story.
(My CT paranoia is whispering in my ear that a noll pross in this case could be the prelude to some more serious unrest.)

COLLAPSE? Radio Station Claims Primary Witness Will Admit Michael Brown Charged Officer Darren Wilson
Radio station KFNS-FM (100.7 FM, “The Viper”) of Troy, Missouri is reporting on its Facebook page a bombshell of a claim:

***BREAKING NEWS*** Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED! This is scary. When this news is made official, we all have reason to be concerned about the reaction.
If KFNS-FM’s claim that primary witness Dorian Johnson has admitted that Michael Brown turned and charged Officer Darren Wilson turns out to be accurate, it strongly suggests that Officer Darren Wilson be exonerated, and that his shooting of Michael Brown will be found to have been in self-defense.
The claim comes on the day after a night of protests in which 47 people were arrested and three loaded handguns were recovered.
The St. Louis County Circuit Court grand jury is scheduled to begin hearing evidence as early as today on the incident, depending on the ability of St. Louis County prosecutors to get witnesses to court to testify. Local reporter Christine Byers has claimed that police have more than a dozen witnesses that will testify that the 6’4", 290 lbs Brown charged Officer Wilson.
We caution Bearing Arms readers to take these claims with a degree of skepticism until we hear the official word from St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCullouch.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2014-08-21 16:19:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: randge, purplerose, Lod, 4 (#22)
COLLAPSE? Radio Station Claims Primary Witness Will Admit Michael Brown Charged Officer Darren Wilson

This wouldn't shock me. I think a lot of people will be surprised when the facts are all placed on the table. If Wilson isn't charged, those folks in or near cities better get ready to grid their loins.
"Pants Up, Don’t Loot"
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-08-21 16:35:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
As a LEO friend once said, the line between many cops and criminals is so thin as to almost be indistinguishable.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 16:38:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
BTW I'm hearing (from an NYPD forum) there might be some dashboard cam footage from Wilson's radio car that has been entered into evidence.

Thanks for your (experienced) opinion about why Dorian Johnson received an "exceptional clearance" - i.e. co-operation with the Feds - now that I think about it, I seem to recall that Dorian Johnson's attorney actually mentioned something to that effect in one of his pressers.
Re: dash camera from Officer Wilson's car - really? - that would be fabulous!!! - but I thought CNN and/or MSNBC claimed that that though Chief Jackson had recently received dashboard cameras for the Ferguson police cars, they had arrived just shortly before the Michael Brown shooting happened and were still in boxes.
Maybe MSM got their facts wrong - it wouldn't be the first time that's for sure.

scrapper2 posted on 2014-08-21 16:38:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: scrapper2 (#25)
I read that the cams were still uninstalled.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 16:44:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose, Lod, X-15, randge, Cynicom, Deasy, christine, Diana, James Deffenbach, abraxas, farmfriend, All (#17)
For anyone who is inclined, friends of Officer Wilson have set up a website to donate $ for his future financial needs, including legal fees. Hat tip to randge for finding the site.
I assume that the police union's legal support might have a cap limit. And I would think there's a good chance that Mike Brown's parents may/will launch a civil suit.
Based on what I've read per messages from donors, people are disturbed that Officer Brown has been tried and judged guilty by a kangaroo court set up by professional race baiters, biased MSM, and officials at the highest levels of government, before he has been given the opportunity to tell his side of story.
Personally I don't think that this is a case about police brutality or military -ization of police. IMHO this is a case of a good police officer forced into a horrific situation, who is being railroaded without cause, for political reasons.
I've read there's also a fund raising site for Michael Brown's family. I don't have the link, but if any of you are interested in donating to the Brown family, you can probably find it thru a google search.
www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson
snip
This page has been created to support Officer Darren Wilson of the Ferguson Police Department.
We stand behind Officer Darren Wilson and his family during this trying time in their lives. All proceeds will be sent directly to Darren Wilson and his family for any financial needs they may have including legal fees.
If anyone has questions regarding our page please feel free to contact us through this page.

scrapper2 posted on 2014-08-21 17:15:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Lod (#8)
Oh I would definitely agree that Dorian was not only one of the suspects on the loose but that he was an accomplice with Brown.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 17:16:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: scrapper2 (#27)
No way am I funding Wilson. I already gave to Mike Brown's family.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 17:17:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: scrapper2 (#25) (Edited)
Why did the cops give Dorian Johnson an "exceptional clearance" when he was with Brown at the time of the theft took place? Both were seen on the store camera.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 17:19:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
The negroes riot and white liberal agitators come in and stir things up.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2014-08-21 17:21:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: purplerose (#29)
No way am I funding Wilson. I already gave to Mike Brown's family.

I always did see through you.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2014-08-21 17:22:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: randge (#22)
Thanks, range. But, I don't like relying on speculation or rumor or belief alone.

What I would actually like to really see happen is for all those (blacks AND whites) who were arrested for rioting and attacking those cops to have their faces plastered for the public to see for ourselves. Then, I'd like to know if they actually lived in that community of Ferguson or were from there. We do this kind exposure anyways to deadbeat dads why not do it for the community concerning rioters. They destroyed that community of Ferguson.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 17:25:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Turtle (#32)
What I want to see is Wilson brought to justice. That is where a federal grand jury will see to this.

purplerose posted on 2014-08-21 17:26:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: purplerose (#29)
I already gave to Mike Brown's family.

Why?
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2014-08-21 17:28:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: purplerose (#34)
What I want to see is Wilson brought to justice.

Justice is for the aggrieved, prosecution is for the guilty.

Cynicom posted on 2014-08-21 17:31:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: purplerose (#34)
What I want to see is Wilson brought to justice.

So you've made up your mind that Officer Wilson is a heathen criminal in dire need of lynch-mob justice disguised as due process??
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2014-08-21 17:33:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: purpleroseX-15 (#29)
No way am I funding Wilson. I already gave to Mike Brown's family.

Astonishing.

Cynicom posted on 2014-08-21 17:35:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Cynicom, 4 (#38)
I have the feeling that I've been contributing to Mike's family for generations now.
I could be wrong...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2014-08-21 17:48:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: purplerose (#30)
Did you even bother to read information I posted re: 2 defn's of "exceptional clearance" in msg. #17?
Or JT's opinion in #18 based on his personal experience in law enforcement?
Here...I'll snip some stuff from #17 for you to ponder. I'll even capitalize key phrases as "clues" for you. Let me know if you want me to breathe and exhale for you, too.
"In certain situations a clearance may be counted by "exceptional means" when the police definitely know the identity of the offender, have enough information to support an arrest, and know the location of the offender but for some reason cannot take the offender into custody." Clue: FOR SOME REASON

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"Law enforcement agencies must meet the following four conditions in order to clear an offense by exceptional means. The agency must have:
Identified the offender.
Gathered enough evidence to support an arrest, make a charge, and turn over the offender to the court for prosecution.
Identified the offender’s exact location so that the suspect could be taken into custody immediately.
Encountered a circumstance outside the control of law enforcement that prohibits the agency from arresting, charging, and prosecuting the offender.
Clue: ENCOUNTERED A CIRCUMSTANCE OUTSIDE THE CONTROL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT PROHIBITS
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scrapper2 posted on 2014-08-21 17:48:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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