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Title: THOUGHTS FROM A BEATLE FAN
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URL Source: http://www.chacha.com/question/what-color-were-the-beatles-eyes
Published: Sep 23, 2014
Author: HOUNDDAWG QUASIMODO SCHWARTZ
Post Date: 2014-09-23 07:35:49 by HOUNDDAWG
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The Beatles had a special power like no other, as was evidenced by the excitement their energies and harmonies generated.

SHE LOVES YOU was the musical equivalent of a fiery chariot, even though we weren't exactly sure of its origin or that of the occupants.

This makes the Tavistock Experiment theory plausible in my view.

I remember very well the sudden interest in every detail of the boys, including the eye color of each member.

It was noteworthy that Paul and I shared the same brown eye color, verified by teen mags and color photos.

But many years later a strange thing happened. Paul's eye color changed to hazel which clearly show in later snaps. Needless to say no national media or industry outlets question this anomaly, or even acknowledge that there was ever any confusion about the issue. All interviews with "Faul" include the same ridicule of the "PAUL IS DEAD" mystery, and none of the compelling evidence about his teeth, chin, nose, ear or height comparisons are ever mentioned or explained.

I don't know what happened but I do know that at one time Paul McCartney was a different person from the first young man we all admired.

Meet the Beatles Paul

Birthday: June 18th, 1942

Full Name: James Paul McCartney

Parents Names: James and Mary McCartney

Siblings: Micheal (Born 18 months later)

Height: 5'11"

Hair Color: Brown

Eye Color: Brown

Kids Names: Heather, Mary, Stella and James

First Wife: Linda Eastman

Anniversary: March 12th 1969

John

Birthday: October 9th 1940

Full Name: John Winston Lennon

Parents Names: Julia and Alfred Lennon

Siblings: None

Kids Names: Sean and Julian

First Wife: Cynthia Powell

Second Wife: Yoko Ono

Anniversaries: Cynthia-August 23rd, 1962 Yoko-?

Height: 5'11"

Hair Color: Brown

Eye Color: Brown

George

Birthday: February 25th, 1943

Full Name: George Harold Harrison

Parents Names: Louise and Harold Harrison

Siblings: Peter, Louise and Harry

Height: 5'11"

Hair Color: Brown

Eye Color: Brown

Kids Names: None

First Wife: Pattie Boyd

Second Wife: Olivia Trinidad Arias

Anniversaries: Pattie-January 21, 1966 Olivia-September 7th, 1978

Ringo

Birthday: July 7th, 1940

Full Name: Richard B. Starkey

Parents Names: Elsie and Richard Starkey

Siblings: None

Hieght: 5'8"

Hair Color: Brown

Eye Color: Blue

Kids Names: Zak, Jason and Lee

First Wife: Maureen Cox

Second Wife: Barbara Bach

Anniversaries: Maureen-February 11th, 1965 Barbara- April 27th, 1981

What color were the Beatles eyes?

Answers

The Beatles Eye Colors: John Lennon: light brown; Paul McCartney: Hazel; George Harrison: Dark Brown; Ringo Starr: Blue.

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#1. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4, *The 60s* (#0)

www.beatlesliverpoolandmo...ory-beyond-the-grave.html

Thanks for this 'dawg. As a Beatles fan I enjoyed it.

I'm not sure if you know the real story of Eleanor Rigby....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-09-23   9:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0) (Edited)

Are you saying you think Paul did die in 1969 and was replaced?

She Loves You was indeed a masterpiece unlike other eg Can't Buy Me Love that have been touted as such for no apparent reason.... I've enjoyed playing early moptop albums in Youtube and hearing some of the songs one always knew of but never heard like A Taste of Honey, Anna, Chains et al.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-09-23   10:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: NeoconsNailed, JethroTull, James Deffenbach, christine (#2)

Are you saying you think Paul did die in 1969 and was replaced?

Please examine these pix and decide for yourself.

Paul went from one of the cutest heartthrobs in the biz to AMERICAN DAD, a guy with a goalie's chin that could block the puck with his hands behind his back. Most would agree that it was a ghastly change, possibly one step of the metamorphosis into the guy who couldn't sing on key live with WINGS. (This was years before AUTOTUNE. The real Paul occasionally sang flat while belting out tunes at the top of his range but it had a certain je ne sais quoi that "Faul" with WINGS could never duplicate.)

Also, further down the page there are snaps of of Brian Epstein. Well, one of them anyway.

While the nose continues to grow over the years the ears do not radically change in size or shape.

Ergo, those two people can't both be Epstein.

If the Beatles were much more than a successful musical group and were a rad experiment not unlike the CIA's deadly LSD crimes, tampering with the lives of unsuspecting, non consenting victims, then one need only accept the possibility that experiments in mass people control were/are important to some people, agencies and/or overlords of the underworld.

The video testimony of a woman who claimed she and her fellow schoolmates were bussed to the airport to appear as a "spontaneous welcoming committee" for the Fab Four speaks volumes. Once the footage was seen in the US, American teens were entrained by the belief that it was wheels down on a real witches' brew phenomenon ready to address their itchy needs.

And, what better example of Mr. Clemens' wit, that "A lie can make it halfway around the world before the truth can get its boot on"?

And, the savage criticism from the pulpits, the flat top wearing Wally Georges, the Klan, etc., was the best kind of publicity, and no more harmed the Beatles climb than Brando was damaged by his role as a motorcycle hood or Dean by his portrayal of a Rebel Without A Clue.

The only thing that hangs me up is the assertion that the music was written by operatives in the Tavistock reptile tank. I mean, Don Kirshner sought out what he considered to be the best songs for The Monkees. But the tunes were more bubble gummy and seemingly geared to the training bra demographic, and The band was no competition for the Beatles' vocals.

Is it possible that conspirators with sophisticated backgrounds could turn out timeless hits without a hint of cynicism? And, what if by pure evil chance the collaboration of Lennon and McCartney was an alchemist's dream turning I-IV-V formula rock into new "reptile scales" and chord patterns that were melodic gold!

Suppose Thelonius Monk, Oscar Peterson, Andre Previn, Ray Conniff (and an unknown librettist with a gift for teenage restroom graffiti rhyme) were enlisted into the army of the dead with promises of the ultimate dirty old man's forbidden fruit, so young that it smelled like puppy's breath?

I may be completely wrong but I'd bet that they could compose a lot better songs than Last Train To Clarksville.

And, Paul reportedly died in 1966, by the way. The Beatles stopped touring and Paul's moon face was suddenly triangular, and he was thereafter taller than the others in publicity shots and album covers.

The early transition photos seemingly show that it was a progressive undertaking to make brown eyed Paul into the hazel eyed wise guy who ridiculed the "PAUL IS DEAD" story on every late night TV show, including SNL.

it's simply impossible to reach the ninety percentile with even the most compelling truth in the face of official denial.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2014-09-27   4:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)

I had never given it any thought but those pictures really don't look like they are of the same person.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-09-27   11:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)

Huh! two different guys.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-09-27   12:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)

The only thing that hangs me up is the assertion that the music was written by operatives in the Tavistock reptile tank.

Tavistock? Who knows? The British connection is always there in the background.

However, there are very few big name acts that performed the music we grew up with that not populated by characters that have some demonstrable connection to military intelligence.

Jim Morrison, Frank Zappa, "Papa" John Phillips , David Crosby, Stephen Stills, Jackson Browne, Gram Parsons, and even Jimi Hendrix had some significant relationship to military intelligence or the MIC. (That of course is a just a small slice of a much larger cast of actors from this period.)

Our culture, thought patterns and emotions were shaped by them. Click on the link below to read extensive extracts from Dave McGowan's book.

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation - Part I May 8, 2008

"There’s something happening here What it is ain’t exactly clear"

Join me now, if you have the time, as we take a stroll down memory lane to a time nearly four-and-a-half decades ago – a time when America last had uniformed ground troops fighting a sustained and bloody battle to impose, uhmm, ‘democracy’ on a sovereign nation.

It is the first week of August, 1964, and U.S. warships under the command of U.S. Navy Admiral George Stephen Morrison have allegedly come under attack while patrolling Vietnam’s Tonkin Gulf. This event, subsequently dubbed the ‘Tonkin Gulf Incident,’ will result in the immediate passing by the U.S. Congress of the obviously pre-drafted Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which will, in turn, quickly lead to America’s deep immersion into the bloody Vietnam quagmire. Before it is over, well over fifty thousand American bodies – along with literally millions of Southeast Asian bodies – will litter the battlefields of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

For the record, the Tonkin Gulf Incident appears to differ somewhat from other alleged provocations that have driven this country to war. This was not, as we have seen so many times before, a ‘false flag’ operation (which is to say, an operation that involves Uncle Sam attacking himself and then pointing an accusatory finger at someone else). It was also not, as we have also seen on more than one occasion, an attack that was quite deliberately provoked. No, what the Tonkin Gulf incident actually was, as it turns out, is an ‘attack’ that never took place at all. The entire incident, as has been all but officially acknowledged, was spun from whole cloth. (It is quite possible, however, that the intent was to provoke a defensive response, which could then be cast as an unprovoked attack on U.S ships. The ships in question were on an intelligence mission and were operating in a decidedly provocative manner. It is quite possible that when Vietnamese forces failed to respond as anticipated, Uncle Sam decided to just pretend as though they had.)

Nevertheless, by early February 1965, the U.S. will – without a declaration of war and with no valid reason to wage one – begin indiscriminately bombing North Vietnam. By March of that same year, the infamous “Operation Rolling Thunder” will have commenced. Over the course of the next three-and-a-half years, millions of tons of bombs, missiles, rockets, incendiary devices and chemical warfare agents will be dumped on the people of Vietnam in what can only be described as one of the worst crimes against humanity ever perpetrated on this planet.

Also in March of 1965, the first uniformed U.S. soldier will officially set foot on Vietnamese soil (although Special Forces units masquerading as ‘advisers’ and ‘trainers’ had been there for at least four years, and likely much longer). By April 1965, fully 25,000 uniformed American kids, most still teenagers barely out of high school, will be slogging through the rice paddies of Vietnam. By the end of the year, U.S. troop strength will have surged to 200,000.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world in those early months of 1965, a new ‘scene’ is just beginning to take shape in the city of Los Angeles. In a geographically and socially isolated community known as Laurel Canyon – a heavily wooded, rustic, serene, yet vaguely ominous slice of LA nestled in the hills that separate the Los Angeles basin from the San Fernando Valley – musicians, singers and songwriters suddenly begin to gather as though summoned there by some unseen Pied Piper. Within months, the ‘hippie/flower child’ movement will be given birth there, along with the new style of music that will provide the soundtrack for the tumultuous second half of the 1960s.

An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band’s debut effort, “Mr. Tambourine Man,” will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas (“If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears,” January 1966), Love with Arthur Lee (“Love,” May 1966), Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention (“Freak Out,” June 1966), Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young (“Buffalo Springfield,” October 1966), and The Doors (“The Doors,” January 1967).

One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough though, the self- proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.

And so it is that, even while the father is actively conspiring to fabricate an incident that will be used to massively accelerate an illegal war, the son is positioning himself to become an icon of the ‘hippie’/anti-war crowd. Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. It is, you know, a small world and all that. And it is not as if Jim Morrison’s story is in any way unique.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-09-27   13:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: randge (#6)

Thanks much for this one.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-09-27   14:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: Lod (#7)

You're welcome.

A little off topic, but with regard to the historical events that McGowan refers to, I remember back in high school days when the Tonkin Gulf incident was still hot. I recall how controversial it was in many circles at the time. So controversial in fact that the Navy sent representatives to schools around the country to attempt reinforce a consensus that it was vital for Americans to do something about communist aggression in SE Asia.

They sent us a lieutenant in naval uniform to talk to an assembly of students to specifically address the doubts held at that time, speaking to an audience who, I don't need to remind you, was still subject to an active draft.

Lots of my classmates were the sons and daughters of a well-informed officer / academic class who were hooked up with the info pipeline of the day. Our Pentagram representative did his spiel on the Tonkin Gulf "attack" and was met with an unexpected volley of criticism and resistance from kids who had been made aware of the fabrications that were drawing so many of their fellows into the Vietnam quagmire. That young lieutenant was visibly shaken by the heat of the comments that he was receiving, and our school administrators tried unsuccessfully to get the students to moderate their attacks. It surely was not the kind of meeting that the school or the military had planned.

Here we are 45 years later, and what has changed? Many are aware of the games played in Washington that are sucking into ruinous conflict. Many more haven't got a clue, and the juggernaut rolls on.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-09-27   15:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: randge (#8)

Here we are 45 years later, and what has changed? Many are aware of the games played in Washington that are sucking into ruinous conflict. Many more haven't got a clue, and the juggernaut rolls on.

That's the most criminally sad part of our entire existence, imo.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-09-27   16:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#10. To: randge (#6)

I stumbled on The History Of Laurel Canyon about 5 years ago I think and I was shocked when it was pointed out that none of the offspring of the INTEL COMMUNITY had recorded any serious anti war songs.

Even Buffalo Springfield's FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH was about the LA Riot, when the Sheriff's department decided to clean up the strip in response to homeowners' complaints about dirdee hippiez endangering property values.

But the strange deaths of artists like Alan Wilson (Canned Heat) left me cold after realizing that I lived there and worked in the music biz years before. I sensed an undercurrent of danger even then, but I wasn't involved in the faux counter culture end of the biz.

It gives me the willies now when I think of that secret air force movie studio and all of the "rebels" with intel connections who just happened to make it, and who just happened to cluster in LC.

It would appear that the entire rock & roll rebellion was controlled opposition and the only artist with enough influence to seriously jeopardize Reagan's election chances was shot to death by yet another assassin with no explanation for his actions.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2014-09-27   16:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10) (Edited)

If ya really wanna get the willies, McGowan tells us somewhere in his Laurel Canyon material that the Third Reich maintained some sort of office there although I can't remember exactly what the Krauts were up to in the Canyon at that time.

A bunch of sinister stuff emanated out of that neck of the woods, and the history goes way, way back to the beginnings of the West Coast entertainment industry.

And many, many mysterious, high profile, and in part, unsolved deaths connected with all this.

I've been following McGowan's posts almost back to the day they started coming out. I'm finally getting around to ordering the dang book.

www.amazon.com/Weird-Scen...nyon-Laurel/dp/1909394122

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-09-27   18:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#12. To: randge (#8)

great story, but the conclusion is tragic. i am astounded by the number of Americans with this idiot CnC in charge falling for yet another bullshit invasion of Iraq.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2014-09-27   23:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: christine (#12)

That narcissist son of a bitch needs the Nobel Piece o' Shit Prize stuck up his ass. Pardon the French.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-09-27   23:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#14. To: randge (#13)

randge, you shouldn't hold back like that. Tell us how you really feel about the Kenyan. >(;^{]

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-09-27   23:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#15. To: randge, 4 (#6) (Edited)

It is the first week of August, 1964, and U.S. warships under the command of U.S. Navy Admiral George Stephen Morrison have allegedly come under attack while patrolling Vietnam’s Tonkin Gulf. This event, subsequently dubbed the ‘Tonkin Gulf Incident,’ will result in the immediate passing by the U.S. Congress of the obviously pre-drafted Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which will, in turn, quickly lead to America’s deep immersion into the bloody Vietnam quagmire. Before it is over, well over fifty thousand American bodies – along with literally millions of Southeast Asian bodies – will litter the battlefields of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

For the record, the Tonkin Gulf Incident appears to differ somewhat from other alleged provocations that have driven this country to war. This was not, as we have seen so many times before, a ‘false flag’ operation (which is to say, an operation that involves Uncle Sam attacking himself and then pointing an accusatory finger at someone else). It was also not, as we have also seen on more than one occasion, an attack that was quite deliberately provoked. No, what the Tonkin Gulf incident actually was, as it turns out, is an ‘attack’ that never took place at all. The entire incident, as has been all but officially acknowledged, was spun from whole cloth. (It is quite possible, however, that the intent was to provoke a defensive response, which could then be cast as an unprovoked attack on U.S ships. The ships in question were on an intelligence mission and were operating in a decidedly provocative manner. It is quite possible that when Vietnamese forces failed to respond as anticipated, Uncle Sam decided to just pretend as though they had.)

Nevertheless, by early February 1965, the U.S. will – without a declaration of war and with no valid reason to wage one – begin indiscriminately bombing North Vietnam. By March of that same year, the infamous “Operation Rolling Thunder” will have commenced. Over the course of the next three-and-a-half years, millions of tons of bombs, missiles, rockets, incendiary devices and chemical warfare agents will be dumped on the people of Vietnam in what can only be described as one of the worst crimes against humanity ever perpetrated on this planet.

Also in March of 1965, the first uniformed U.S. soldier will officially set foot on Vietnamese soil (although Special Forces units masquerading as ‘advisers’ and ‘trainers’ had been there for at least four years, and likely much longer). By April 1965, fully 25,000 uniformed American kids, most still teenagers barely out of high school, will be slogging through the rice paddies of Vietnam. By the end of the year, U.S. troop strength will have surged to 200,000.

Lyndon B. Johnson - Wikipedia:

36th President of the United States
In office: November 22, 1963 – January 20, 1969
Vice President: None (1963–1965) | Hubert Humphrey (1965– 1969)

Noting that at the time of the alleged "Gulf of Tonkin" incidents, America's office of Vice President was vacant. Noting, too, that the Vietnamese did not refer to that region as "Tonkin". Hubert Humphrey became VP the following January and soon after (in February -- before troops were deployed in March), he attempted to advise Johnson that his policy was wrong and that we should get out of Vietnam. Johnson's response was to bar Humphrey from meetings about Vietnam.

Search C-SPAN.org: Tonkin | Gulf Tonkin Documents - Video [with Transcript] - C- SPAN.org | [Director] Thomas Blanton toured the National Security Archive at the George Washington University and talked about declassified documents related to the Gulf of Tonkin incidents of August 1964.

Transcript excerpt at 00:38:05:

I THINK FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS THE LESSON IS WHAT RONALD REAGAN USED TO SAY TO GORBACHEV ABOUT ARMS CONTROL, "TRUST BY VERIFY. -- BUT VERIFY." FOR POLICYMAKERS, THE LESSON IS DO NOT TRUST YOUR GUT. LOOK FOR DISSENT AND DEBATE. THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE INSIDER HISTORIAN ASKS. WHY WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, SUPPOSED TO PRESENT UNBIASED INTELLIGENCE, WHY WOULD WE? HE HAS THREE CONCLUSIONS. ONE IS THE PRESSURE OF THE MOMENT. TWO, WAYS PRECURSOR MESSAGES THAT SHOWS ATTACK FOR COMING [...]. THREE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOP POLICYMAKERS WANT TO HEAR. FOUR, YOU SAW THE PRESIDENT ON TV ANNOUNCING THE BOMBING ATTACK. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE ONE TO SAY, WHOOPS. NOPE. WRONG. MAY BE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT. NO, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE THAT INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS. ANY OTHER REASON IN PART IS THAT ONCE THE TOP POLICYMAKERS TAKE THOSE STEPS, THEN THEY REALLY ONLY WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FOLKS WHO REINFORCE THE DECISIONS THEY ALREADY MADE, THE COURSE OF ACTION THEY HAD BEEN INTENDED TO TAKE FOR A WHILE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISSENTING FROM IT, ARE BRINGING INCONVENIENT FACTS TO THE TABLE, EITHER GET PUSHED AWAY FROM THE TABLE [...]. THE MOST FAMOUS STORY HUBERT HUMPHREY GETS ELECTED VICE PRESIDENT IN NOVEMBER, 1964. SWORN IN IN JANUARY 1965. IN FEBRUARY, WRITES A MEMO TO THE PRESIDENT ABOUT HOW OUR POLICY IN VIETNAM IS JUST WRONG AND WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OUT. WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT MEMO. IT HAS BEEN DECLASSIFIED. WE HAVE THE MEMOIRS OF HUMPHREY AND JOHNSON AND HUMPHREY'S STAFF PEOPLE WHO DRAFTED IT. JOHNSON CUT THEM OFF. REFUSED TO LET HIM COME TO VIETNAM POLICY SESSIONS. HUMPHREY HAD NOT LEAKED ANYTHING OR DISSENTED PUBLICLY. HE HAD NOT TRIED TO BUILD AN INTERNAL COALITION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. HE HAD WRITTEN A CRITICAL DISSENTING MEMO THAT DID NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS DOING. SO THE PRESIDENT DECIDED, YOU ARE DISLOYAL. THE VICE PRESIDENT. YOU ARE DISLOYAL. YOU'RE NOT COMING TO THE MEETINGS. IT WAS THE YEAR OF SECRETS AND IS -- OF OBSEQUIOUSNESS. IF THAT IS HOW IT IS RELIEVED -- RECEIVED AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WHAT HAPPENS TO INTERCEPT ANALYST? OOPS. I GUESS THE FINAL LESSONS OF GULF OF TONKIN. HERE WE HAD THE ABILITY TO LISTEN IN ON NORTH VIETNAMESE CONVERSATIONS. YET WE DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR, HOW LONG THEY WOULD FIGHT, AND WHAT THAT MEANT FOR WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO. WE WERE LISTENING, BUT WE WERE NOT HEARING.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-09-28   4:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#16. To: All (#15) (Edited)

Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

Daniel Ellsberg, who was on duty in the Pentagon the night of August 4, receiving messages from the ship, reported that the ship was on a secret electronic warfare support measures mission (codenamed "DESOTO") near Northern Vietnamese territorial waters.[12] On July 31, 1964, USS Maddox (DD-731) had begun its intelligence collection mission in the Gulf of Tonkin. Captain George Stephen Morrison (father of Doors singer Jim Morrison) was in command of local American forces from his flagship USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA- 31).

It is significant who was on duty as a message/signal intercepter then and leading up to Johnson's televised announcement of retaliation because a North Vietnamese transmission that spoke of two comrades as casualties was mistranslated, perhaps deliberately, as speaking of two "boats" having been sacrificed by them, wrongly implying an act of aggression on their part.

Gulf Tonkin Documents - Video [with Transcript] - C-SPAN.org, reference at 00:19:09.

WHAT ARE THESE MESSAGES SAYING THERE IS NO ATTACK? RIGHT AT THAT MOMENT A COMPOSITE INTERCEPT ROLES IN. IT IS A SUMMARY OF THOSE NORTH VIETNAMESE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ONE OF -- 1 TO 5 AUGUST. WHICH INDICATES THAT THEY DID PLAN A PREPLANNED ATTACK. THEN THEY GIST THE COMMUNICATIONS. JUST SUMMARIZE WITHOUT GIVING THE SOURCE OF WHERE THEY PICKED IT UP. THEY SUMMARIZED. THIS TOP-SECRET CODE WORD DOCUMENT IS WHAT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY PROVIDED TOP POLICYMAKERS LIKE MCNAMARA TO CONTINUE TO DEFEND THE POSITION THAT THE SECOND ATTACK DID TAKE PLACE. IT WAS AGGRESSIVE. AND THEY BASICALLY HAD LEFT OUT OF THE CHRONOLOGY ALL OF THE MESSAGES THAT DID NOT SUPPORT THAT STORY. WE SHOT DOWN TO ENEMY PLANES AND THE BATTLE AREA AND ONE OTHER PLANE WAS DAMAGED. "WE SACRIFICED TWO SHIPS. SPIRT'S VERY HIGH. WE ARE STARTING ON THE HUNT." THAT IS ONE VERSION. ANOTHER VERSION IS THAT "ONE OF THE TORPEDO BOATS REPORTS TO HEADQUARTERS. WE SHOT AT TWO ENEMY AIRPLANES. NOT WE SHOT DOWN. AT LEAST ONE WAS DAMAGED. ONE OTHER PLANE WAS DAMAGED. THE SUMMARY WHICH THE TOP POLICYMAKERS USED, WE SACRIFICED TWO SHIPS. WE SACRIFICED TWO COMRADES BUT ALL OUR BRAVE." SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, YOU SEE THE WORD COMRADES. WHEN YOU GO TO THE SUMMARIES, YOU SEE THE WORD BOATS. TWO COMRADES BECOMES TWO BOATS. TWO COMRAD ARE PEOPLEES WHO WERE WOUNDED ON THE SECOND OF AUGUST NOT SHOT. THERE WAS NO ATTACK ON THE FOURTH OF AUGUST. GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THESE ORIGINALS, WHICH IS WHAT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY SHOULD HAVE DONE AT THE TIME, BUT DID NOT. INSTEAD, THEY PREPARED A CHRONOLOGY THAT WOULD SHOW IRREFUTABLY WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD SAID ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. AND THE STORY WE NOW KNOW IS TWO DIFFERENT INTERCEPT DETACHMENTS IN THE PHILIPPINES PICK UP SOME OF THE SAME MESSAGES BUT ONE OF THEM, THE MARINE CORPS INTERPRETERS, READS THE MESSAGES AS A WARNING OF AN IMMINENT ATTACK. BUT IT WAS NOT A TRANSLATION OF THE NORTH VIETNAMESE MESSAGE. IT IS THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE SEPARATE MESSAGE THAT WAS ABOUT REFUELING THE BOATS ...

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-09-28   6:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: All (#15)

the Vietnamese did not refer to that region as "Tonkin".

"Tonkin" is a rare surname associated with Conrwall, England, It is said to be a diminutive Anglicized form of the Roman name, Antonius/Anthony/Antony, with origins in ancient Aramaic and the suffix indicating "twin".

The name "Tong" was associated with an old dynasty of Vietnam that ruled in the years 980 to 1009 and 1428 to 1788 but had long been replaced there by French imperialism with the Nguyen dynasty to 1945. Hundreds of years prior, in the Chinese domination, Hanoi was called Long Bien, Tong Bình (Song Peace), Long Do (Dragonbelly) and then became a citadel named Dai La (Big Net).

Up until about 100 B.C., the area was called Van Lang. The Vietnamese locally refer to it as Vinh Bac Bo or Bac Ky, which means the Northern Region -- not Tonkin.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-09-28   7:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: All (#16)

YouTube link for the C-SPAN program set to start at 26 minutes 7 seconds: Declassified Gulf Of Tonkin Documents - Phone call between Johnson and McNamara.

Gulf of Tonkin Documents - Video [with Transcript] - C-SPAN.org | a Transcript section there at 00:27:40 with corrections, from the video above at 27:37 re: the phone call between Johnson and McNamara:

JOHNSON: UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING ME UP. UH, I JUST TALKED TO A NEW YORK BANKER. I JUST TALKED TO A FELLOW IN TEXAS. THEY ALL FEEL THAT THE NAVY RESPONDED WONDERFULLY AND THAT'S GOOD BUT THEY WANT TO BE DAME SURE I DON'T PULL 'EM OUT AND RUN AND THEY WANT TO BE DAMN SURE THAT WE'RE FIRM.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-09-28   21:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: All (#18) (Edited)

Wotta discussion!! This is how I like it, gang -- total give and take, everybody bringing different stuff to the table. Feel like I've just been through a hard day's night and a magical mystery tour both!

"secret air force movie studio"?

"none of the offspring of the INTEL COMMUNITY had recorded any serious anti war songs." Now that's a wild one! Peter Paul and Mary, Phil Ochs, Graham Nash and other folkies did, but it's hard to think of any of the classic military brat rock stars who have. (Wikipedia won't tell us what some lots of their fathers did for a living.)

And the explanation for this gaping hole would be..... what? I thought the reason they made us all hippies was because their military fathers had presented them for turning into judas goats via trauma conditioning at Fort Detrick etc. (Seriously, not funnily.)

David Crosby is mentioned as such a subject, but his father was an award- winning Hollywood cinematographer??

Sorry, but the picture thing won't wash. I look like a different person in the same bathroom mirror on different days according to how I'm eating and sleeping, how much I'm in the sun and other factors, or just because it does. Same with lots of people, maybe everybody. Photography is just made to make us look like 20 different people each. Pictures do lie -- plenty. Stills from video footage even more so.

That really doesn't look like Paul in the picture with Epstein, but it's easy to imagine the System using doubles sometimes in that context. They know it's all theater and were after big, big, BIG bucks with these personalities.

CNN Amputee Actor - Boston Bombings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCt7ABe- _a8&index=166&list=UUhpzqJD9LqvWxm_LdC6LXYQ

Much live rock/pop music is sung out of tune. Some hit records (Monday Monday, the flute break in California Dreamin') are wildly out of tune but somehow manage not to sound it until you think about it. What would have happened to Paul, exactly? Did they accidentally give him a bad acid trip and have to off him, then look in the yellow pages for a replacement who just happened to look, sound, play, compose and interview much like him?

If there are answers, I'm eager for them. I'm normally the one trying to convince friends and family of bizarre truth and reality and would almost love it if the Paul is dead thing were true, merely because it would support the conspiracy truth. I certainly don't wish Pauly any harm -- he helped to permanently destroy morality, conservatism, the white race, marriage, the environnment, millions of people's hearing, respect for parents and what came before oneself, but the world would be a less jolly place without him.

Well, it's already a far more miserable place because of all that, but the drug of Beatlemania you never quite shake off..... surely one of the most suspicious things about the whole epoch IS the fact that the stars are all so liberal, when so many of them didn't come from privileged backgrounds. It's been called a big fat lie that the Beatles were working class, but Ringo definitely was and working class was the entire persona of their early years as a band. No doubt it would have been easy for the studios to brief them at the starting gate "now look, the next big thing is youth rebellion. You'll go a lot farther if you're willing to make this your shtick." Easy to imagine with Epstein, Clive Davis and others being Jewish and all.

For ALL pop music stars to UNANIMOUSLY go hippie-mod at once when it didn't even exist until 1964 with ZERO precedent except beatniks and their jazz predilections is too much of a pattern to be spontaneous.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-10-03   7:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)

"none of the offspring of the INTEL COMMUNITY had recorded any serious anti war songs." Now that's a wild one! Peter Paul and Mary, Phil Ochs, Graham Nash and other folkies did, but it's hard to think of any of the classic military brat rock stars who have. (Wikipedia won't tell us what some lots of their fathers did for a living.)

And the explanation for this gaping hole would be..... what?

Rockefeller industries, according to the author of this reference:

PART III. Viet Nam War of "BLACK GOLD, HOT GOLD: The Rise of Fascism in the American Energy Business" by Marshall Douglas Smith

In the 1950's a method of undersea oil exploration was perfected which used small explosions deep in the water and then recorded the sound echos bouncing off the various layers of rock below. The surveyor could then determine the exact location of the arched salt domes which hold the accumulated oil beneath them. But if this method were used off the Viet Nam coast on property Standard didn't own or have the rights to, the Vietnamese, the Chinese, the Japanese and probably even the French would quickly run to the United Nations and complain that America was stealing the oil, and that would shut down the operation.

In 1964, after Viet Nam was divided into North and South, and the contrived Gulf of Tonkin incident, several US aircraft carriers were stationed offshore of Viet Nam and the war was started. Every day jet planes would take off from the carriers, bomb locations in North and South Vietnam, and then using normal military procedure when returning would dump their unsafe or unused bombs in the ocean before landing back on the carriers. Safe ordnance drop zones were designated for this purpose away from the carriers.

Even close-up observers would only notice many small explosions occurring daily in the waters of the South China Sea and thought it was only part of the war. The US Navy carriers had begun Operation Linebacker One, and Standard Oil had begun its ten year oil survey of the seabed off of Viet Nam. And the Vietnamese, Chinese and everybody else around, including the Americans, were none the wiser. The oil survey hardly cost Standard Oil a nickel, the US taxpayers paid for it.

In 1995, in a multi-hour BBC TV documentary broadcast about the oil industry, the president of one of the oil companies, a spin-off of Standard, stated, .. It was quite a coincidence, that we finished our offshore oil survey on the very last day of the war, just as the last helicopter was leaving the roof of the embassy in Saigon. A coincidence?

Fifteen years later, after North and South Viet Nam were unified and all the dust settled and most people had forgotten about the war, the Vietnamese decided they needed some cash and would allow offshore oil exploration. They divided up their coastal area into many oil lots and let foreign companies bid on the lots, with the proviso that Viet Nam got a cut of the action.

Oil companies from 12 countries put in bids. Norway's Statoil, British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, even Russia, Germany and Australia all put in bids. But when those countries drilled in their oil lots they all came up with dry holes. Only the American company had gushers and since 1990 has pulled billions of dollars out of their Golden Dragon, Blue Lotus, and White Tiger oil fields in the South China Sea off Viet Nam. Coincidence? Were they just lucky? Or did they know something those other oil companies didn't?

In order to cover for the fact that the Viet Nam war was a phoney war with the Vietnamese branded as communists, and the US as a country having no intention of winning, the US would need to withdraw as soon as the oil survey was done. A reason would be needed to explain the withdrawal. In the late 1960's Standard recruited large numbers of idealistic youth who were against the war and the military draft. The oil companies supplied them with monetary assistance and organization.

Those oil-backed and organized youth became the large anti-war demonstrations of the 60's and 70's. Almost none of the demonstrators knew they were being used. Most people still believe the war ended because of the strong US sentiment against the war, and President Nixon's withdrawal plan was a reaction to the demonstrators.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-10-03   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: GreyLmist (#20)

Now that is one of the hottest links of the year -- thanks so much! Have already deployed in 3 major directions.

You never know what to believe with a minor, undocumented source like that, but it matches the rest of what we positively know about these people to a T.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-10-03   16:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)

The walrus was Paul!

If you pay really close attention, you can absolutelty hear Dick Cheney playing flute on Strawberry Fields Forever.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-10-04   0:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#23. To: Dakmar (#22)

Bush Vs. Zombies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-10-04   0:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: NeoconsNailed, James Deffenbach, Lod, Jethro Tull (#23)

How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-10-04   1:00:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)

LOL, zombies, Ed!

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-10-04   1:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: All (#24)

Our house, is a very very evil dark house

with Satan in the yard
Life used to be so hard,
but now everything is easy because of you witchcraft

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-10-04   1:11:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)

J Edgar Hoover presents:

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-10-04   2:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#28. To: Dakmar (#24)

How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry

Operation Popeye - Weather Warfare in Vietnam - link set to start at 2 minutes 10 seconds: "The Military had their own catchphrase as a result of this program and it was: Make mud, not war."

John Lennon - Mind Games (Official Video) avi.

Could be he was signaling at 1:44 that he was covertly a Republican.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-10-05   1:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: Dakmar (#22)

The walrus was Paul!

Sez u. 'splain this if you can:

Footnote at " The Beatles and the Aquarian Conspiracy"

Another interesting thing is that The Beatles were knighted by Queen Elisabeth in the 60's for their "good work". [...] Recently Paul McCartney was knighted again. The question is: is it the same Paul McCartney?

Or maybe the first knighthood was temporary. I dunno, just wondering.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-10-05   2:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

Now that is one of the hottest links of the year -- thanks so much! Have already deployed in 3 major directions.

You never know what to believe with a minor, undocumented source like that, but it matches the rest of what we positively know about these people to a T.

You're welcome, Mr. Dispatcher. Good of you to do that.

FWIW, am posting this info for a quick review of behind-the-scenes manipulators like the Huxley brothers and some others:

The Aquarian Conspiracy - Fact or Fiction?

Aldous Huxley [My note: British author of the dystopian "Brave New World", etc.], along with his brother Julian [My note: Julian Huxley: first United Nations UNESCO Director-General in 1946; a prominent member of the British Eugenics Society and its president from 1959–1962], was tutored at Oxford by H.G. Wells, the head of British foreign intelligence during World War I and the spiritual grandfather of the Aquarian Conspiracy. Ferguson accurately sees the counterculture as the realization of what Wells called The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution.

The Vietnam War and the Anti-Vietnam War Trap

...without the Vietnam War and the "anti-war" movement, the Isis cult would have been contained to a fringe phenomenon - no bigger than the beatnik cult of the 1950s that was an outgrowth of the early [Aldous] Huxley ventures in California.

The Vietnam War created the climate of moral despair that opened America's youth to drugs.

Under Kennedy, American military involvement in Vietnam - which had been vetoed by the Eisenhower administration - was initiated on a limited scale. Under Lyndon Johnson, American military presence in Vietnam was massively escalated, at the same time that U.S. efforts were restricted - the framework of "limited war."

Playing on the President's profile, the anglophile Eastern Establishment, typified by top White House national security aide McGeorge Bundy (image left) and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, convinced President Johnson that under the nuclear "balance of terror," or the regime of Mutual and Assured Destruction, the United States could afford neither a political solution to the conflict, nor the commitment to a military victory.

The outcome of this debacle was a major strategic withdrawal from Asia by the United States, spelled out in Henry Kissinger's "Guam Doctrine," adoption of the spectacular failure known as the "China Card" strategy for containing Soviet influence, and demoralization of the American people over the war to the point that the sense of national pride and confidence in the future progress of the republic was badly damaged.

Just as Aldous Huxley began the counterculture subversion of the United States thirty years before its consequences became evident to the public, Lord Bertrand Russell began laying the foundations for the anti-war movement of the 1960s before the 1930s expired.

Russell's "pacifism" was always relative - the means to his most cherished end, one-world government on the imperial model, that would curb the nation-state and its persistent tendency toward republicanism and technological progress.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-10-05   3:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: GreyLmist (#30)

Yeah, I went to the trouble of ordering that book once and its title was very misleading.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-10-07   20:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: GreyLmist (#28)

For my money, he's signaling he's a Jew with that dark rabbinic getup. Even clearer in other pictures.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2014-10-07   20:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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