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Title: Erdogan says Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says- ... overed-americas-162759161.html
Published: Nov 16, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-11-16 01:33:23 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 189
Comments: 27

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Istanbul (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.

"Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America.

"Muslim sailors arrived in America from 1178. Columbus mentioned the existence of a mosque on a hill on the Cuban coast," Erdogan said.

Erdogan said that Ankara was even prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer.

"I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today," the Turkish leader said.

History books say that Columbus set foot on the American continent in 1492 as he was seeking a new maritime route to India.

A tiny minority of Muslim scholars have recently suggested a prior Muslim presence in the Americas, although no pre-Columbian ruin of an Islamic structure has ever been found.

In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba. But the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz, Original_Intent (#0) (Edited)

Viking explorers/settlers were first, at minimum. That's not even getting into Kennewick Man and the anomaly of his presence on the West Coast.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-11-16   2:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#1)

Sub-saharan Africans beat them all by thousands of years. Of course they had a large fleet of helicopters...

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2014-11-16   8:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Erdogan said that Ankara was even prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer.

"I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today," the Turkish leader said.

In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba. But the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape.

4um Title: Cuba builds first new church in 55 years

The Catholic Church had tense relations with what was long an officially atheist government for many years after the 1959 revolution, but they began to improve ahead of Pope John Paul II's visit in 1998.

Pope John Paul II - Wikipedia

As he entered St. Peter's Square to address an audience on 13 May 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot and critically wounded by Mehmet Ali Agca, an expert Turkish gunman

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   9:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#1)

Viking explorers/settlers were first, at minimum. That's not even getting into Kennewick Man and the anomaly of his presence on the West Coast.

Kennewick Man was a Viking who brought some people from India here with him to help mine copper at the Great Lakes, so Native Americans really are Indians. That's what I've heard, anyway.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   9:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century....

I bet that isn't the first lie he ever told.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-16   10:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#5)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century....

I bet that isn't the first lie he ever told.

He's not called "ErredAgain" for nothing.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   10:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#6)

LOL! Good one. Next thing you know they will be taking credit for inventing fire, electricity and the wheel.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-16   10:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#7) (Edited)

Next thing you know they will be taking credit for inventing fire, electricity and the wheel.

Ancient Aliens brought all that stuff to Earth. Only the Romans managed to do anything monumental on their own without alien intervention. That's what I learnt, mostly from the History Channel.

Edited for capitalization.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   10:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#8)

Ancient aliens brought all that stuff to earth? I have grave doubts about that claim.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-16   10:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: James Deffenbach (#9) (Edited)

Pyramids (that we have not a clue as to their construction) scattered about the globe make me believe in visitors from space.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-11-16   10:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#10)

I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that I would need more proof than I have seen up until now.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-16   10:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#8)

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-11-16   11:51:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#0) (Edited)

This Turkey is obviously hitting the hashish hard. The only thing Muslims and Turks can lay claim to inventing are magic carpets and fakirs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-11-16   11:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GreyLmist (#4)

Kennewick Man was a Viking who brought some people from India here with him to help mine copper at the Great Lakes, so Native Americans really are Indians. That's what I've heard, anyway.

I agree about Kennewick Man. His complete story remains untold because it fails to meet the media's narrative.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-11-16   12:01:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: X-15 (#12)

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   12:22:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#11) (Edited)

Lod: Pyramids (that we have not a clue as to their construction) scattered about the globe make me believe in visitors from space.

JD: I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that I would need more proof than I have seen up until now.

I don't know which show(s) I've watched exactly on how the massive stones for building the Pyramids and Stonehenge might have been moved, but one of them has a guy with a holographic device on his hand and shows them being turned into axles with wheels at each end. Also, being rolled over ball bearings lined up inside of a u-shaped track. One show demonstrated how they could have been loaded onto barges and floated to the construction sites. Possibly, the Nile was temporarily diverted for that purpose. The stones might have been raised with block and tackle rigs operated by men or oxen walking inside large wooden wheels. Here's a 6 minute YouTube below that shows a man moving huge stones rather quickly by himself. What I wonder about most is what fuel they used (especially in the desert regions of Egypt) to make all of the chisels they would have needed for those stoneworks -- 3 per day per person with maybe hundreds on the crews working for decades, by one estimate.

Man Moves Huge Blocks! - YouTube

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   13:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Kennewick Man. His complete story remains untold because it fails to meet the media's narrative.

Another failure by the media to do their job properly, is the way I look at it.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   14:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GreyLmist (#16)

That was interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-16   15:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GreyLmist (#16)

Very clever - thanks.

The mystery of the pyramids is the laser-like precision cuts of the stones as well as the rooms and stairways inside them.

Stonehenge is quite primitive in comparison...primitive, but still impressive.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-11-16   15:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod (#19)

In finish and execution, Stonehenge seems inferior to the Great Pyramids, but its siting and geometry suggest a great deal of astronomical sophistication. It functions as a circular observatory precisely at the latitude it is situated at. Any closer to the equator or the pole, and it would have to be constructed as an ovoid.

http://www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/stonehenge/stnpik02.htm
The Station Stones form a rectangle whose diagonals intersect at 45°, very close to the centre of Stonehenge The sides and diagonals of this rectangle possess what Gerald Hawkins called 'astronomic significance.' One pair of sides mark the Summer Solstice Sunrise/ Winter Solstice Sunset, the other pair indicate the most northerly/southerly moonrise/moonset. Only at, or very close to, the latitude of Stonehenge (51' 10" ) do these alignments intersect at an angle of 90°. 'The implications of this are that the builders of Stonehenge had a knowledge of the global nature of the Earth' - Devereux

When observed from an aerial view Stonehenge demonstrates so much more. The Heel Stone azimuth is precisely 360/7 East of North.

http://www.jqjacobs.net/astro/epoch_2000.html
Quoting from: Temporal Epoch Calculations by James Q. Jacobs in which he states: “I noted that the latitude at Avebury equals the circumference of the earth divided by 7, with an error less than the diameter of Avebury. I later noted a simple geometric relation for Stonehenge's much-publicized Heel Stone alignment. The Heel Stone azimuth is precisely 51.4286° E. of N., also CIR/7. I had questioned the 'Heel Stone—winter solstice sunrise' alignment because the solstice azimuth has dramatically changed, and finding the Heel Stone's precise CIR/7 azimuth added to my doubts. I almost dismissed the summer solstice sunrise alignment rationale for the Heel Stone. CIR/7 not only fits the 'simplest explanatory theory' concept, it fits circularity. A 1/7-azimuth alignment in a circle makes more sense than apparent, time-varying solar motion. After all, one-seventh is a constant reference, not a moving target”.

When comparing the mathematics and measurements of Stonehenge there is a strong correlation to the mathematics measurements of Giza in Egypt and Teotihuacan in Mexico. I personally believe the design is based on cyclical periodicity of a scientific astronomical origin rather than the religious origin most would have you believe.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=312460&t=312400

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-11-16   16:20:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod, James Deffenbach (#19)

Glad you both liked the video. It's amazing what was accomplished with such precision so long ago and there are many other awesome examples around the world -- Machu Picchu in Peru, for one. I'm skeptical of the Ancient Aliens Theory and think it's being used, inadvertently or not, to instill a sense of learned helplessness and alienation but the shows I've seen about it usually do at least give some fine tours of those wondrous places.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   17:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: randge (#20)

I got to see Stonehenge under construction long ago -- a miniature model that wasn't nearly so intricate but just as stellar, I thought then and still do. : )

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-16   18:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

One thing that could use some explaining is how Turkish Admiral Piri Reis accurately mapped the coastline of Antarctica that was under the ice. He supposedly relied on other ancient maps which only deepens the mystery.

It was the 1960's before it was known how accurately Reis had been.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2014-11-16   21:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Tatarewicz, All (#0)

We all know it was Turtles.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2014-11-16   23:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GreyLmist (#16)

3 per day per person with maybe hundreds on the crews working for decades, by one estimate.

Probably kept folks so busy that there was no time for wars.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2014-11-17   3:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Turtle (#24)

We all know it was Turtles.

Turks...Turtles...I can see how easy it might be to confuse them, so similarly spelled as they are.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-17   13:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tatarewicz (#25)

3 per day per person with maybe hundreds on the crews working for decades, by one estimate.

Probably kept folks so busy that there was no time for wars.

Indeed because I think it would amount to over a million chisels per decade at that rate, even if there were only crews of 100 stonecutters.

About the fuel source that it would take to make that many chisels, it might explain why there isn't much of an abundance of trees in Egypt.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-17   13:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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