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Title: Pat Buchanan: 'Rogue President' Says 'To Hell With Constitution'
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/B ... 11202014&s=al&dkt_nbr=k4mj8wxq
Published: Nov 20, 2014
Author: Sandy Fitzgerald
Post Date: 2014-11-20 18:06:21 by BTP Holdings
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Pat Buchanan: 'Rogue President' Says 'To Hell With Constitution'

Thursday, 20 Nov 2014 10:52 AM

By Sandy Fitzgerald

The United States has a "rogue president" who has decided he is going to do what he wants to do and "to hell with the Constitution," columnist Pat Buchanan, former adviser to Presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, told Newsmax TV Thursday.

"We have a rogue president who tonight is going to announce that he is going to do something he said not so long ago, one year ago, he does not have the legal or constitutional authority to do," Buchanan told "America's Forum" host J.D. Hayworth.

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"This is being done for his political base in the Hispanic community. He looked at the election returns and said, with Republicans strengthened like this, there's nothing I can get done with Congress so I'm going to do what I can do and what I want to do and to hell with the Constitution."

Buchanan also said he does not dispute the numbers from the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, which shows that most Americans don't agree with Obama taking executive action on immigration.

"The country realizes that the president here is acting in a usurpacious manner, that he is seizing power that he does not have," the conservative columnist told Hayworth. "Why is he doing it now? Why didn't he do it two years ago? If he had this authority why didn't he do it four years ago?"

Obama has always realized that he did not have the authority under the Constitution to enact an executive order granting amnesty to undocumented immigrants, said Buchanan.

And while there have been some who have warned about the potential for violence, once Obama announces his executive action, which was delayed earlier this year until after the midterm elections, Buchanan said he wouldn't predict violence, but he also would not be surprised by it.

"If you get wild celebrations in the community of illegal aliens around the country cheering and laughing at the rest of the country, you completely demoralize the Border Patrol and the sheriffs along that border who have been fighting this good fight for a long, long time and who have tried to do their job," Buchanan told Hayworth. "They're now being told everything you've done to protect the border and to maintain us as one nation, one people, is by the boards.

"We're in another country now and I can't express how much I feel this diminishes us as one nation, one people, and one country when you've said, in effect, folks who can walk into your house and sit down at the table are entitled to do so and entitled to remain," said Buchanan. "We cannot deport them and deportation is out of the question."

Further, Buchanan called the president's decision on executive action an "ollie-ollie-oxen-free invitation" for people who are not arriving legally, and an insult to the people who have been patient and taken the legal steps to become American citizens.

"Folks who have waited to become American citizens because they love the country and this is where they want to raise their children, they all look like fools now," said Buchanan. "They all look like people who obeyed America's laws and followed policies and our customs and traditions, and the guys who went up and walked across the border or pushed their kids across the border, they triumphed. They succeeded. They've won."

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Buchanan called the executive action plan a "constitutional crisis," and said Congress will have to "contain and control Obama" until his presidency is over in two years.

"We have a president of the United States who says, I'm not going to enforce the laws that require me to basically deport and remove [illegals] from society and send [them] back where they came from, people who have broken into our country and broken our laws," said Buchanan. "Yeah, you'd have something of a constitutional crisis."

However, he doesn't believe impeachment is the answer. Buchanan said there are not enough votes for that extreme action and "you don't want to put [Vice President] Joe Biden in there."

But he does believe that what Obama is doing is "an impeachable act."

"That doesn't mean that the Congress should immediately move to impeach him, but it's very difficult to see how there's any comity, any union, or any agreement in the next two years," Buchanan told Hayworth.

And even though Obama knows he doesn't really have the authority to enact his amnesty plan, and he won't be able to get the legislation through the incoming Republican-controlled Congress, "he's going ahead and like a dictator he's doing it himself," said Buchanan. "And he says, impeach me and be damned."

Buchanan said that if he were advising Obama like he advised former Presidents Reagan and Nixon, he'd remind him that his legacy will be as a president who broke the law and violated the Constitution.

Buchanan said he'd tell Obama: "You believe it's going to be a good legacy, but I can tell you this, you yourself said you will be breaking the law and violating the Constitution. So that's going to stick, that's going to be a stigma around you, and I'll tell you this, Mr. President, when some problems arise from these folks whom you're giving an executive amnesty to in this country, people are going to turn and say that happened because the president of the United States gave them a blanket pardon."

Buchanan said he'd also tell Obama that while he may feel the executive action "is going to be treated as some kind of Emancipation Proclamation," it isn't.

"By what authority does he decide 4 or 5 million get amnesty and 4 or 5 million don't?" said Buchanan. "Is there something in the law that says that's the right figure? There's nothing in the law. He has no law to back up what he's doing."

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Yawn...

Pubs will huff and puff, roll over and play dead.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-20   18:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams292.htm

JB Williams writes:

First, I state for the record – REPUBLICANS HAVE ALL THE POWER THEY NEED TO STOP EXECUTIVE ORDER AMNESTY DEAD, RIGHT NOW!

This means that for Obama to get away with what he is about to attempt, Congressional Republicans will have to allow him to get away with it. It means that Congressional Republicans want amnesty too, but want to be able to use Obama’s unilateral move as a political hammer later…

Second, although many Congressional Democrats are too ignorant to know or care that what Obama is about to attempt is both unconstitutional and illegal, Obama himself does know, which is why he has not already done it, before being bullied into doing it now.

So, if Republicans care to represent their constituents by upholding the Rule of Constitutional Law and protecting and defending the sovereignty and security of the United States, they will have to STOP OBAMA AMNESTY dead in its tracks. Or, they become complicit in Obama’s treason…

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2014-11-20   18:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#2)

Exactly correct, and Amen.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-11-20   19:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#2)

Good commentary, spot on.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-11-20   19:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#2) (Edited)

www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams292.htm

A good article for the most part but conflates Immigration and Naturalization as if inseparably synonymous and, as many have been accustomed to do, it also blurs any distinction between "customary law" (i.e. Common Law or UN-styled "norms") and Constitutional Law. It would be correct for the author to say that the Executive Branch has no legal authority to establish rules of Immigration and neither does Congress because that is a power retained by the States, not delegated in the Constitution to Federal authority. It would be correct for the author to say that the Executive Branch has no legal authority to deregulate uniform rules of Naturalization because the Citizenship step of the legal Immigration process is a sole power of the US Congress. It would be correct for the author to say that the Executive Branch has no legal authority to refuse enforcement of all Constitutionally valid laws pertaining to both Immigration and Naturalization. What is being asserted by some politicos as permissible, though, is that Presidents can issue mass Executive Reprieves and Pardons/Amnesty for Immigration violators even if there is no valid objection to the applicable law(s) as Constitutionally incorrect and even if the offenders haven't been formally charged as such. Sort of like Nixon being pardoned even though he was never criminally charged.

Regardless, Reprieves/Pardons aren't the equivalent in this case of Immunity from being promptly/immediately thereafter reset by the States and Congress to Immigration lawbreaker status. At that point, re-ordering enforcement stand-downs by members of the Executive and Judicial branches on deportations and unlawful employment issues and so on would amount to impeachably assuming powers to violate law that none of them have. That could mean not just impeachment to remove a rogue Executive from the Oval Office but any participating Cabinet members too and all others who can be impeached for obeying those orders, followed with criminal proceedings against each of them.

Edited for spelling and formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-21   5:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

If this nonsense is allowed to stand, we no longer have a country. Which means I am not beholden to anyone, or any law. When the president of this country fails to adhere to the Constitution, or makes the other branches of government irrelevant, then there is no longer a functioning government. We are left instead with a fiat kingdom, and a banana republic.

I for one will not allow this to stand. In light of how this little process was sped up, and now that the Ferguson case announcement will be made TODAY, it is a recipe for violence, caused by agitators, and then blamed on Angry White People.

Here is my solution. Any violence created by Blacks, Hispanics, or Muslims be met with overwhelming force and brutality. Because if we whites are to be blamed for everything, then why not be blamed for something that we actually did do.

I have watched the last two weeks be a never ending assault on men, particularly white men and it has come to a head in the form of betrayal, and manipulation by the white house and the media. Time to put the dogs back in line. Time to put the country right, and if they want a revolution so badly, then by God let us give it to them.

I am so outraged by this administration and this laughable media that I can barely contain my invective.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2014-11-21   7:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All, (#0) (Edited)

The Constitution is referenced for public consumption though it doesn't exist in the commercial environment most Americans have volunteered into.

Each and every day we are exposed to the rants of supposedly educated folks that have either been major players in politics or law that stutter and stammer about blatant violations of the founding documents.

These people, Pat Buchanan included, are either ignoramuses or frauds. I'd say Pat is a fraud. Ya know, he pulled a Ron Paul pull out back in the day.

The Constitution itself admits the government is prohibited from interrupting the obligation of contracts: No State shall...pass any...Law impairing the Obligation of Con-tracts....

99% of the population in America are so entwined in govt/commercial contracts that they'll never get out ... kind of like a fly in the spider's web. Truth is most of us have sold or traded our rights for a bowl of pottage (convenience).

All I can say is that most here at 4UM have been witnesses and commentators for about 10 years regarding the blatant violations of their rights and other people's rights. In some cases we have become familiar with folks that have been militarily attacked and some murdered by the goons in government.

This land is (bullshit) my land, this land is (still bullshit) your land ... hahahahahahaha !!!

EDIT: ATTENTION CITIZENS, Lemonade stands are illegal unless licensed !

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-21   7:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6)

It clearly demonstrates the so-called 2 party system is pure fiction. (We have just witnessed another in a long train of tyrannical events).

And I agree, with your every word.

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-21   8:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6)

Here is my solution. Any violence created by Blacks, Hispanics, or Muslims be met with overwhelming force and brutality. Because if we whites are to be blamed for everything, then why not be blamed for something that we actually did do.

Tommy, I hear you and words are important. If you feel as though your life is in danger, and you have no other immediate options, you are allowed to use deadly physical force to protect yourself or another. And above all else, if you are ever interviewed by the police for anything, but especially after protecting yourself, state the above and nothing more. The less said to them the better.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-11-21   8:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Have a carry permit. Know what to do. Know the law, and have an attorney.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2014-11-21   9:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)

Have a carry permit. Know what to do. Know the law, and have an attorney.

A+

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-11-21   14:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings, jethro tull, christine (#0)

Buchanan is a Nixon stooge, still fawning over him,; Buchanan endorsed bush IN 2004! when anyone with any sense whatsoever knew by then all they should know about bush,. he has defended dick cheney and said 'he is my friend' when called upon the facts of 9/11/01 and got all prissy and defensive of cheney and the government regarding 9/11. (in a live interview with Dr Kevin Barrett- priceless.)

Buchanan recently defended the establishment of the EPA on tom woods show.

watch an interview Buchanan did with Rep larry McDonald shortly before his death.

I don't know why anyone with half a brain would give any credence to that piece of shit called "pat" Buchanan. he has no credibility whatsoever.

all he does is peddle his books every so often in between defensing people who are satanists.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2014-11-21   14:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine, Lod, noone222, X-15, Jethro Tull (#2)

Or, they become complicit in Obama’s treason…

For one hundred years we have seen what happens to politicians that try to awaken Americans.

All were shot at, poisoned and or destroyed. The list is short but well known.

Lindbergh, McFadden, McCarthy, Nixon.

Obama will skate thru his two remaining years, even tho the voters did send a message, the system will ignore.

Remember there are now over 100 million Americans not voting for whatever reason and that number grows by every election.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-21   14:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

Obama will skate thru his two remaining years, even tho the voters did send a message, the system will ignore.

It appears to me that the recent wave election has empowered Obama rather than the Rs. They have had at least a month to develop a strategy to yesterday's assault on our border and have done nothing. In fact, today they have left DC for the holidays. Obama won't be skating thru the next few years, IMO. Instead he'll be sawing through what remains of any political opposition.

Lock and load because we're on our own.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-11-21   15:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Lock and load because we're on our own.

White Americans are for damned sure on their own.

From experience, white America has been on a fast track to Hell since 1960.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-21   15:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#13)

, even tho the voters did send a message, the system will ignore.

Remember that California citizens passed Proposition 187 several years ago?? It was challenged and federal court found it unconstitutional. This time Obongo went right for America's jugular vein and said "fuck the constitution".

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X-15  posted on  2014-11-21   16:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#7)

The Constitution itself admits the government is prohibited from interrupting the obligation of contracts: No State shall...pass any...Law impairing the Obligation of Con-tracts....

That is stated within the contexts of the Constitution and contractual Constitutionality.

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact where Americans, able-bodied or not, must all "nobly" starve and freeze to death or be categorized as "sellouts" if they aren't fortunate enough to work off-the-grid for somebody who doesn't, like illegal aliens, just because our Republic is being hijacked and destroyed by outlaws and their foreign systems.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-21   17:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6) (Edited)

If this nonsense is allowed to stand, we no longer have a country. Which means I am not beholden to anyone, or any law. When the president of this country fails to adhere to the Constitution, or makes the other branches of government irrelevant, then there is no longer a functioning government. We are left instead with a fiat kingdom, and a banana republic.

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What's even worse about this fiasco than the other branches of government being sidestepped as irrelevant is that they were all directed to become complicit accomplices with the crimes of illegal aliens by non-enforcement of our nation's valid laws and by emulation of Obama's non-adherence to the Constitution, in partnership with his dictatorial coup-maneuver against it and the government structures of our Republic.

Edited to add "all".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-22   3:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GreyLmist, ALL (#17) (Edited)

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact where Americans, able-bodied or not, must all "nobly" starve and freeze to death or be categorized as "sellouts" if they aren't fortunate enough to work off-the-grid for somebody who doesn't, like illegal aliens, just because our Republic is being hijacked and destroyed by outlaws and their foreign systems.

I know it sucks and I know just exactly how difficult it is to be off of the grid. It's very hard especially when one is pretty much alone. And by the way, what you keep referring to as our Republic is nothing more or less than a socialist fraud that appears to have killed your Republic.

The FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM is a nation killer that couldn't give a rat's ass about the Constitution as is every other Central Banking fraud. Aside from ascribing a moral mandate that would never be accepted by the American populace, or a very bloody revolution (which may be coming in the form of a racial/civil war) the only peaceful way to restore Constitutional law is to revert to Constitutional money or possibly implement a Constitutional Amendment returning the treasury and the country to an honest monetary system that doesn't (can't) presume everything occurring within it is commercial.

It's really simple. Under the Constitution the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM is treason and counterfeiting. So, why has no one been charged, arrested, convicted and jailed in over 100 freaking years ??? Answer me that !

They (FED RESERVE OPERATORS) haven't been charged because they operate (and we join) outside of Constitutional Law. Implicit with the interaction with the FED and it's (imposter) Incorporated Govt is your willingness to forfeit common law rights in lieu of commercial privileges that can be ignored by the giver (FED RESERVE BANK OWNED AND OPERATED GOVT.)

This country is rich, in resources, in resourcefulness, in ambition, in initiative, and inventiveness. There is no reason for the country to be the most indebted nation on planet earth other than it's being robbed VERY LEGALLY.

Some people here have stated that nothing will change until a total financial collapse occurs. A reset is possible but the PTB will again have their way with us and remain in control regardless of whatever monetary system results from a collapse.

We are the answer if we're willing to make the necessary sacrifices, which I might add we're going to make in the end anyway. It's up to us to shut them down of our own authority, not theirs.

Personally, I don't think the American people can unite on one single minded idea to save their own asses. Everyone rationalizes their individual situation warrants letting others suffer while they wait to see if something or somebody else can render forth a solution. Maybe it will take a bloody insurrection but you can bet the farm that the bankers will not relinquish their power and authority easily. Americans have some very hard choices to make.

As a side note, I see people writing about the Constitutional monetary problem that say things like no state is allowed to print money. That may be true about the printing of money but has no bearing on what the Constitution says. It says that no state shall make any Thing payable for debt other than gold or silver coin. Does your state collect fees or fines in fiat FRNs ? Then that has been a Constitutional violation tantamount to treason and counterfeiting by every state in the United States unless of course there is an alternative jurisdiction (and the U.C.C. rules).

You prattle on and on about the Constitution when the truth is staring you right in the face. And, what makes it so obvious is that the Constitution is ignored blatantly every day and has NO IMPACT upon the deviants in D.C.

You call them criminals when in court the LAW is on their side. They win - we lose - because they own the system that we find ourselves in. Obama is the temporary king, LEGALLY, no matter where the communist son of a communist whore was born.

Your screen name is GreyLmist ... and you cast a Grey Mist over reality. You scream dreamland about the Constitution and cannot provide any evidence that it is in operation ... NONE !

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-22   9:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222 (#19)

or a very bloody revolution (which may be coming in the form of a racial/civil war

Indeed, indeed.

Anyone that is able to see over the horizon can see it coming.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-22   10:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: noone222 (#19)

Am going to have to give all of this some more thought for a while but will get back to it as soon as I can. For now, I don't disagree with all you've said and would even like to rediscuss Utah's policy of silver being legal currency there for the debt payments of our States.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-22   10:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom, ALL (#13)

Remember there are now over 100 million Americans not voting for whatever reason and that number grows by every election.

Obtaining a Social Security Number (SSN) and voting are what makes you a citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

The ALL CAPS are significant because they represent the corporate United States. Unlike the lower case, which represents the organic United States of America, as represented by the Constitution. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-11-22   12:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BTP Holdings (#22)

Obtaining a Social Security Number (SSN) and voting are what makes you a citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I would say having been born here makes me a citizen, a right that government cannot bestow nor deny.

Other than that right, I fail to see any other rights that have not been taken away or infringed.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-22   14:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23)

I would say having been born here makes me a citizen, a right that government cannot bestow nor deny.

I'd say that most U.S. citizens TODAY are born into indentured servitude through their birth certificates that are recorded in the Department of Commerce and the names are spelled in all CAPS.

When you were born, Cyni, the birth record may have been kept in the family Bible or at worst a birth certificate was issued utilizing Upper and lower case spelling of the name and you were born a free Citizen.

You may have signed on to the Corporate STATE by signing up for some permit, license, SSN, or other trap wherein you admitted to being a (FEDERAL / CORPORATE) U.S. citizen under penalty of perjury.

So-called "citizenship" today is granted by the FEDERAL GOVT at birth through the issuance of an SSN at birth.

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-22   16:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#24)

I knew I was a citizen in good standing when they came for me to travel to some far off land, to kill or be killed.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-11-22   17:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#25)

I knew I was a citizen in good standing when they came for me to travel to some far off land, to kill or be killed.

I fell for it too. (Just a few years later).

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-23   5:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#19) (Edited)

the only peaceful way to restore Constitutional law is to revert to Constitutional money or possibly implement a Constitutional Amendment returning the treasury and the country to an honest monetary system that doesn't (can't) presume everything occurring within it is commercial.

It's really simple. Under the Constitution the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM is treason and counterfeiting. So, why has no one been charged, arrested, convicted and jailed in over 100 freaking years ??? Answer me that !

They (FED RESERVE OPERATORS) haven't been charged because they operate (and we join) outside of Constitutional Law. Implicit with the interaction with the FED and it's (imposter) Incorporated Govt is your willingness to forfeit common law rights in lieu of commercial privileges that can be ignored by the giver (FED RESERVE BANK OWNED AND OPERATED GOVT.)

This country is rich, in resources, in resourcefulness, in ambition, in initiative, and inventiveness. There is no reason for the country to be the most indebted nation on planet earth other than it's being robbed VERY LEGALLY.

Some people here have stated that nothing will change until a total financial collapse occurs. A reset is possible but the PTB will again have their way with us and remain in control regardless of whatever monetary system results from a collapse.

We are the answer if we're willing to make the necessary sacrifices, which I might add we're going to make in the end anyway. It's up to us to shut them down of our own authority, not theirs.

Personally, I don't think the American people can unite on one single minded idea to save their own asses. Everyone rationalizes their individual situation warrants letting others suffer while they wait to see if something or somebody else can render forth a solution. Maybe it will take a bloody insurrection but you can bet the farm that the bankers will not relinquish their power and authority easily. Americans have some very hard choices to make.

As a side note, I see people writing about the Constitutional monetary problem that say things like no state is allowed to print money. That may be true about the printing of money but has no bearing on what the Constitution says. It says that no state shall make any Thing payable for debt other than gold or silver coin. Does your state collect fees or fines in fiat FRNs ? Then that has been a Constitutional violation tantamount to treason and counterfeiting by every state in the United States unless of course there is an alternative jurisdiction (and the U.C.C. rules).

First of all, I could easily go to a bank and exchange FRNs for rolls of gold coins that are Constitutionally sound money but then the problem becomes where they can be spent, not just the form of money used being fiat paper or precious metals. Businesses that are at high risk of robbery as it is, like carryouts and gas stations, might not want to increase that risk by accepting gold coins in transactions. I could buy money orders at the bank with the gold coins to pay bills by mail and I could also maybe buy Traveller's Checks there too with the gold coins, to use for purchases instead of those and FRNs but, again, I suspect those checks wouldn't be accepted by every or almost every business. I'd like to know how someone can completely live off-the-grid monetarily and still manage to buy food, clothing, gas for a vehicle whenever needed, even so much as a pizza delivery, for examples, without having to depend at least sometimes on others (family, friends, neighbors, hirelings) serving along the lines of trusty Shabbas goys who will accept the "commercially unkosher" gold coins or Traveller's Checks for themselves, buy those things with their own "kosher" FRNs and then deliver them.

There's also the question of if there even are enough gold coins available for every American to pay their State taxes, fees and fines. In the case of Utah, they could also use silver but I think you're making the problems much more difficult than the Founders intended. As I've said before, the gold and silver stipulation in the Constitution is applied only to the States for their debt purposes, not to the people or the Federal government either. Also, what constitutes a debt? Seems to me that there's a problem with people being conditioned to think in terms of a dysfunctional accounting system. A government worker's pay, for instance, should not be counted as a debt owed to them by the local, State or Federal government but only as a person's earnings, which should be the basis for issuing new money -- not bank loans.

What the fraudulent, counterfeit system counts as done legally according to them isn't synonymous with Constitutionally lawful. Common law rights are not quite the same thing as Constitutional rights except that, here in America, Common Law and its fluctuating judicial rulings/"precedents" and "in vogue" legislations are not supposed to violate our Constitution at all. Common Law or no law/Anarchy by mob rule "democracy" is what's being passed off as America's government structure but that doesn't make it validly so.

As you said, "a Constitutional Amendment returning the treasury and the country to an honest monetary system that doesn't (can't) presume everything occurring within it is commercial" would be a good place to start. I would like to see an even broader "Freedom from Unconstitutional Government" Amendment, which would, of course, include a Constitutionally sound and honest monetary system. We see that issue a bit differently but I hope the money problems can be somewhat less of a barrier to a more unified goal of resetting our Constitutional Republic independent of the insurrectionist rogues and their foreign systems that are moving against it. A "Freedom from Unconstitutional Government" Amendment could also help us identify rather quickly which people and Parties are unassimilable with our rightful form of government.

Edited next to last sentence + paragraph 2, last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-23   16:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27)

I think you're making the problems much more difficult than the Founders intended.

We've become accustomed to inflated prices for everything we consume that didn't occur until the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and fractional reserve banking caused it.

I think we all want our liberty but it isn't ever going to just happen. We (population) must initiate and carry out the resistance to what we have and voting isn't the answer.

National strikes may do the trick. Protests and elections are scoffed at.

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-23   16:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28)

We've become accustomed to inflated prices for everything we consume that didn't occur until the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and fractional reserve banking caused it.

I think we all want our liberty but it isn't ever going to just happen. We (population) must initiate and carry out the resistance to what we have and voting isn't the answer.

National strikes may do the trick. Protests and elections are scoffed at.

There were some severe economic depression conditions and monetary problems in the 1800s, silver crisis and such -- probably largely rigged to get the Fed Res set up in time for financing world war planned long in advance.

Obama basically just ordered much of the government to go on strike to shield illegal aliens but will they still get paid for not doing their job? They should all be fired for dereliction of duty and charged as criminal accomplices for following an illegal order if they don't do their jobs to enforce Constitutional Immigration and Naturalization laws. National strikes by the people, especially non-Unionized people, could be an unaffordable, extreme hardship that might cause them to lose their jobs, homes, cars and so on. People with medical issues still have to be cared for and able to get medicines they need. I think your Amendment suggestion would be more influential than intermitten strikes of commerce and should be submitted to Congress ASAP. I also think we need an alternate currency system ASAP to free us as much as possible from the Fed Res system and Unconstitutionality as we work to return all of government to the Constitution.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-23   19:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

Obama basically just ordered much of the government to go on strike to shield illegal aliens but will they still get paid for not doing their job?

By the way, when I said national strikes I meant strikes against "for profit" businesses. Strikes by truckers, dock workers, railroad workers, clerks, butchers, construction guys and gals ... shut the economy down. Hit em where it really hurts.

We shouldn't confuse national with federal though it's easy to do.

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-11-24   16:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#23)

I would say having been born here makes me a citizen,

Why do you think Obummer wants to give amnesty to all of the illegal Mexicans? Because once they have an SSN and are working, they become a part of the system and all of their labor is then collateralized.

He said, "As long as they are working and paying taxes, they can stay." Proof enough if you ask me. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-11-24   17:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#30)

We shouldn't confuse national with federal though it's easy to do.

They are different and distinctive. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-11-24   17:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222 (#30)

By the way, when I said national strikes I meant strikes against "for profit" businesses. Strikes by truckers, dock workers, railroad workers, clerks, butchers, construction guys and gals ... shut the economy down. Hit em where it really hurts.

I don't expect the construction industry would go on strike much except as another way to fill more of those jobs with illegal aliens for less money, as it often has done.

We shouldn't confuse national with federal though it's easy to do.

Agreed.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2014-11-25   13:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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