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Title: New York Police Declare Their Own Safety ‘Top Priority’
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URL Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2014/12/21/ ... their-own-safety-top-priority/
Published: Dec 22, 2014
Author: Jason Ditz
Post Date: 2014-12-22 04:58:57 by Ada
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Views: 525
Comments: 77

NYPD Turns on Mayor, Union Pushes Action Against 'Enemies' in City Hall

A Saturday incident in which a gunmen killed a pair of NYPD officers in Brooklyn has sent the department, the nation’s largest into a flurry of panic and outrage, and has police union leaders turning up the rhetoric on anybody and everybody the police don’t like.

The biggest target appears to be Mayor Bill de Blasio, who ran for office on a platform of ending police racial profiling, and was critical of police in recent slayings. Police are now blaming him for the “anti-police” sentiment that led to the weekend shootings.

Police made a point of publicly turning their backs on de Blasio during his statement over the shootings, and union leaders urged police to use “extreme discretion” in acting against enemies in City Hall.

The police seem to be moving away from the traditional city-run law enforcement branch and toward an independent, and heavily-armed, faction which feels it can unilaterally act, or refuse to act, as it sees fit.

To that end, police leaders are telling police that their top priority is “to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers,” and that they should avoid making arrests “unless absolutely necessary.”

The detectives’ union is urging police to travel in threes, and to wear bulletproof vests at all times, while other police union leaders are talking up the idea that they are a “wartime” police department on a military footing.

The “enemy” in this war is clearly the public protesters critical of past police killings of unarmed civilians, and police demanded that all protests against them be halted for the time being.

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#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Nothing to report here in the sticks except the sound of hunters.

No better sound.

Smite the whitetails and eat well, my friends!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-23   18:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#3)

I have a more positive outlook if the police choose to avoid unnecessary arrests.

In NYC police are required to fill a quota of arrests which is why they go for the junk like arresting for selling loose cigarettes. Alas, sometimes these junk arrests turn deadly. If the police only arrest for real crime, they and we would be much better off.

Agreed. But until that time, and as of now that looks as if it's never going to happen since this is all sponsored by the establishment and those that own/control it, it won't happen. So file under it's nice and fun to think about but never really going to happen, eh.

Whatever ones emotion or opinion, we have to remember, all of these people are hired by us, paid by us. None of them are rogue enforcers, all can be fired.

We also have to remember that except for in the most egregious cases that become of the highest profile, that there is no enforcement within the enforcement community and that few if any will ever be fired. About the worst that ever happens is that they get paid vacation, literally except for the verbage which reads "administrative leave," and that any settlements otherwise never come out of the pockets of the perps, at any level, themselves.

That's a lose-lose for everyone.

I'd say slowly, but the reality is that rapidly the ranks of LEOs are becoming like gang members that can do whatever they want almost whenever they want to, lie thru their teeth about it and get instant credibility in the media and in the courts because they're all cut from the same cloth, and rarely if ever have any consequences associated with their own illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, and anti-Christian behavior.

Katniss  posted on  2014-12-24   11:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Katniss (#16)

I have a general disdain for LEO as a whole unit, but do try to give individuals room to operate.

Five days a week, for a lifetime of putting your own life on the line, has to be a burden for all.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-12-25   7:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#17) (Edited)

Five days a week, for a lifetime of putting your own life on the line, has to be a burden for all.

With faulty premises it's easy to come to faulty conclusions.

That right there is an oft-stated untruth. In fact, LEO's have nowhere near the top in dangerous professions, yet, we don't even come close to giving those that do the same type of reverence and consideration in society.

The fact is that of the dangers that are there, many bring them on themselves and as a whole they produce more such situations than they succumb to otherwise.

Then there's the whole "Serpico" thing generally speaking, who set him up? Hint: It wasn't the "bad guys." Again, generally speaking since that's the hidden culture that's really responsible.

I see absolutely nothing dangerous or anyone putting their lives on the line with 20+ LEOs in armored riot gear and automatic weaponry including an armored vehicle storming a house owned by a middle-aged couple that aren't even armed, and a dog.

Nor do I see any danger in the same storming a house in the middle of the night with the element of surprise while conducting a "wrong door knock" which happens all too often. Even if it's the right house, there's still far less danger than there is in many other professions. Otherwise we'd be reading about far more cops being dead daily than the thousands, mostly relatively innocents, that they themselves kill throughout each year, an ever-growing number.

Also, if it were really that dangerous, then I don't think that so many would be clammoring to get into their ranks and many more would be leaving them.

Katniss  posted on  2014-12-27   12:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Katniss, 4 (#18)

10 deadliest jobs in ameriKa -

www.businessinsider.com/m...0-construction-laborers-1

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   12:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Katniss, 4 (#18)

Then there's the whole "Serpico" thing generally speaking, who set him up? Hint: It wasn't the "bad guys." Again, generally speaking since that's the hidden culture that's really responsible.

About Serpico, our career paths crossed and for him to claim he went into plainclothes in 1963 and didn't realize there was a monthly pad until 1967 is complete fiction. We all claim to understand the propaganda coming at us via the MSM, yet it's clear to me most don't (and I include myself here at times). Bottom line on Frank Serpico; he got shortchanged, became angry and then found religion. Anyone believing the Pacino Hollywood version has been duped.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   12:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

So Frank found his monthly nut somewhat light?

Huh. Believable though.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   12:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#21)

So Frank found his monthly nut somewhat light?

Precisely right.

As I said, anyone police officer who chose to go into plainclothes in 1963 - an assignment that was purely voluntary - knew there was a monthly stipend.

Time to put the 'Saint Serpico' nonsense to bed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   13:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Time to put the 'Saint Serpico' nonsense to bed.

So he really wasn't set up to be murdered. Who shot Frank Serpico?

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2014-12-27   13:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Hmmmmm (#23)

So he really wasn't set up to be murdered. Who shot Frank Serpico?

He was shot during a routine 'buy & bust' narcotics arrest, and trust me, if they wanted him dead he'd be dead.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   14:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

trust me, if they wanted him dead he'd be dead.

I heard that! So, who shot Frank Serpico?

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2014-12-27   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#24)

HERE

Incidentally, last Monday I spent almost an hour on hold (on a cell phone) waiting to talk to AJ live. He had mentioned Serpico in connection w/the police shootings in NYC a week ago. I got thru right away, told the call screener the purpose of my call - I wanted to discuss the Serpico information I had - and he said I'd be on shortly. That 'shortly' never came, and the screener apologized for my long wait two times. I bailed never having been given the opportunity to challenge the conventional thinking regarding Serpico. Serpico has been on Jones' show more than once (see above link) so I'm not sure if I got lost in the queue or perhaps AJ didn't want my voice heard.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   14:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Hmmmmm (#25)

A junkie dealer, later arrested.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   14:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Hmmmmm (#25)

news.google.com/newspaper...UDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3341,216236

Here you go!

Edgar Echevaria, A/K/A "Mambo" - male, Hispanic, 24-y/o (in 1971)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   14:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Curious nic for an Hispican.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   14:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod (#29)

Mambo sounds like the street name of the brand of heroin he was dealing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   14:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Ah. The only nic that I know for heroin is horse, but, that's so dated...thanks for the update.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   15:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#29)

www.bluelight.org/vb/thre...titutions-and-Death/page4

Stamp name: MAMBO KING

Stamp Color: RED

Stamp Graphic (if any): THE WORDS MAMBO AND THE WORD KING IN A PICTURE OF A CROWN UNDER THE WORD MAMBO Color and Consistency/texture of Product: WHITE/SEMI FLAKY MORE POWDERY THAN FLAKY

Quality/neatness of stamp and packaging: VERY NEATLY PACKED, THEY TOOK THERE HARD ASS TIME WITH THESE

Quantity of Product (1-10 scale): 7/10 THESE WERE PRETTY AVERAGE SIZED BAGS AND WERE PRETTY PHAT, WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE SIZE OF THEM

Quality of Product (1-10 scale):7.5/10 THESE ARE EXCELLENT BAGS AFTER USING 2 BAGS I WAS FEELING TERRIFIC THESE ARE SOME OF THE BEST I HAVE HAD IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, IF YOU HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS THESE SCOOP THEM UP WHILE THEY ARE OUT THERE. YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   15:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

What an amazing link!

Just like my gun-porn theads, a heroin-porn thread.

Thanks algore!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   15:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Here you go!

Thank you, it's nice to be able to fill in the blanks sometimes.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2014-12-27   15:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#19)

Exactly!

LEOs nowhere in sight.

Let's face it, LEO fatalities or injuries even are not high. Nor, therefore, are the risks.

It's all 911 "hero" bullshit.

Katniss  posted on  2014-12-27   15:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

About Serpico, our career paths crossed and for him to claim he went into plainclothes in 1963 and didn't realize there was a monthly pad until 1967 is complete fiction. We all claim to understand the propaganda coming at us via the MSM, yet it's clear to me most don't (and I include myself here at times). Bottom line on Frank Serpico; he got shortchanged, became angry and then found religion. Anyone believing the Pacino Hollywood version has been duped.

That's fine but the greater point still stands.

There's more than enough corruption and internal cover-up to go around and has been for decades.

Katniss  posted on  2014-12-27   15:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Katniss (#36)

That's fine but the greater point still stands.

Glad I could help you w/Serpico and yeah the entire system sux. Here's hoping the entire mess collapses and the Great Flush takes place. Save for a hand full of personal friends, and some here on 4um, most ppl are so damaged and/or back filled with the MSM narrative of the day they aren't worth a damn.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   16:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

...back filled with the MSM narrative of the day...

Perfect - thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   17:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

Well, the mackerel-snappers are not rolling over this evening.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   18:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Lod (#39)

Well, the mackerel-snappers are not rolling over this evening.

That's funny :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-27   19:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Damn! that was just great!

It looked like the refs were going to job State, but nooooo.

What a beautiful pass!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   19:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

BC was jobbed on that "incompeletion."

These refs should go back to Jr.HS...as well as the commentators.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   19:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

NYPD WILL abandon you to a criminal attack:

NYPD: Police Had No Duty to Protect Hero Who Stopped Murderer (VIDEO)

Joseph Lozito was riding the subway when he was approached by drug-fueled spree killer Maksim Gelman. The murder announced that “you’re going to die,” and stabbed Lozito in the face, plunging a knife beneath his left eye.

Lozito did not die. The 6-foot-2 dad wrestled Gelman to the ground as the killer continued to hack away at him. Gelman stabbed Lozito in the back of the head several times before Lozito managed to disarm him. “He got to the back of my head because my left shoulder [was] in his waist,” said Lozito. The hero says he held Gelman in place until police arrived and arrested him.

Yet Lozito, who is suing the city, says that he never should have been attacked in the first place. He alleges that police officers Terrance Howell and Tamara Taylor, who were also on the subway, lazily ignored the fact that Gelman was loudly blundering about the train, even dismissing passengers who tried to alert them to Gelman’s presence.

The city is refusing to settle the suit, arguing that police had no duty to protect the people on the train. But “that doesn’t detract from the Police Department’s public safety mission,” the city says, “or the fact that New York is the safest big city in America.” It’s curious that New York City would tout its safety record while asserting that its police officers have no responsibility to protect people from knife-wielding madmen.

Officer Terrance Howell says that he, not Lozito, subdued Gelman. Lozito says that he held Gelman down until Howell tapped him on the shoulder, saying “You can get up now.”

The many scars on the back of Lozito’s head are a problem for Howell’s narrative. Lozito also says that at least one grand jury member has corroborated his version of events.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/nyc-police-duty-protect-hero- video/#axzz3N9L3K3Gl

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
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X-15  posted on  2014-12-27   20:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Just wow! OT

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   20:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#44)

Great job, Lions.

What a contest.

JT is the only reason I give a rat's hinney, but it was a terrific game.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-27   22:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

Here's hoping the entire mess collapses and the Great Flush takes place. Save for a hand full of personal friends, and some here on 4um, most ppl are so damaged and/or back filled with the MSM narrative of the day they aren't worth a damn.

Yeah, I hear ya, but you know that's not going to happen.

I'm starting to think that this charade is so pervasive that instead of a flush it'll be a transition to something else that they've contrived, something even more oppressive and Orwellian on steroids.

Great summarization: most ppl are so damaged and/or back filled with the MSM narrative of the day they aren't worth a damn.

Katniss  posted on  2014-12-28   11:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Katniss (#46)

I'm starting to think that this charade is so pervasive that instead of a flush it'll be a transition to something else that they've contrived, something even more oppressive and Orwellian on steroids.

I've had the same thoughts, and without the aid of a working Magic 8-ball none of us can predict the future. I do hope this limb we're on snaps rather than sags, and I also hope I'm still functioning fully when it does occur. I want one last fight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-28   12:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Lod (#44)

The game was fun to watch. Thanks to the sanctions we had only 42 scholarship players, rather than the normal 85. The sanctions are over and despite them we had winning records for the last 3 years. Despite the best efforts of Louie Freeh, our now fired Governor, and the University's Board of Trustees, the body is not only warm, it's very much alive :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-28   12:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

Is KK doing any of the things that we hoped she'd do?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-28   12:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Lod (#49)

www.pennlive.com/politics...leen_kane_porn_email.html

Get a load at what she tumbled into.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-28   13:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Katniss, Lod, Jethro Tull (#46)

it'll be a transition to something else that they've contrived, something even more oppressive and Orwellian on steroids.

Great summarization: most ppl are so damaged and/or back filled with the MSM narrative of the day they aren't worth a damn.

I agree with Katniss this time. I see something coming at us: the 'threat' of ISIS and Russia on the outside, and the threat of racial disharmony on the inside. The external drives up the abstract fear level while the internal leads to pressure on congress to strengthen federal controls over policing and calls for Great Society II.

Deasy  posted on  2014-12-28   13:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Deasy (#51)

It could be a gradual transition into something else, but I do know this. The pending economic collapse will be a snap rather than a sag and should that occur, all bets are off.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-12-28   13:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

Kane, a Democrat, said she is being stopped from investigating them by a court order.

Whoa and WTF?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-12-28   13:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ada (#0)

Some cops suck at their jobs. Cops need to own that. They are the ones dividing and not the people demanding that cops be held accountable for their own actions.

--I Brake For The Invisible

war  posted on  2014-12-28   13:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

My take is that the US has maintained its ability to shape reality for another five years with Russia's ruble's collapse. The next move is China's. They will do something subtle... like continue doing what they're doing with Africa, Russia, and southeast Asia.

Deasy  posted on  2014-12-28   13:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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