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Title: Here’s what the 2nd Amendment means
Source: Personal Liberty News
URL Source: http://personalliberty.com/heres-2nd-amendment-means/
Published: Dec 22, 2014
Author: Bob Livingston
Post Date: 2014-12-22 11:28:57 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 66
Comments: 6

Bob Livingston,

You are guilty, as are the NRA, the NAGR, all pro-gun organizations, and all American gun lovers, of interpreting the 2nd Amendment to fit your agenda. All of you forget that it was written over 200 years ago FOR MEMBERS OF MILITIAS AS THEY EXISTED BACK THEN. THE 2ND AMENDMENT DOES NOT GIVE YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. All of you are making believe that the first few words of the 2nd Amendment do not exist. BUT, THEY DO -“A WELL REGULATED MILITIA…”. Actually, you all should read the 2nd Amendment again. And, don’t give me that crap about the Supreme Court interpreting the 2nd Amendment your way. They have been wrong a few times in the last few years (ever since they became an arm of the Republican and tea parties).

If you would, please reply to this. Yet, like the rest of the pro-gun backers, you are probably afraid to reply because you know I’m right.

Frank L Duley

Dear Frank L Duley,

You write: “You are guilty … and all American gun lovers, of interpreting the 2nd Amendment to fit your agenda.” It needs no interpretation. Like all of the Constitution, it is quite clear and easy to understand. And given that my “agenda” is liberty and Constitutional governance, there is no confusion about supporting it or abiding by it.

You write: “All of you forget that it was written over 200 years ago FOR MEMBERS OF MILITIAS AS THEY EXISTED BACK THEN.” I have not forgotten when the Constitution was written, but you are partially correct. Tench Coxe described the militia this way: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American … The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People.” In a speech at the Virginia Ratifying Convention, George Mason said: “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves … and include… all men capable of bearing arms. … The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle,” wrote Richard Lee as the Federal Farmer. The Militia Act of 1792 defines the militia as all able bodied men ages 18 to 45. Further, it requires all of them to provide their own arms and ammunition, which were the military weapons of the day. The fact that the U.S. government, against the advice of the Founders, has created a standing army does not negate the fact that militias can and do still exist and that every American still has the right to “keep and bear arms.”

You write: “THE 2ND AMENDMENT DOES NOT GIVE YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.” You are correct. Government does not give me any rights. My rights — and yours — come from God. God gives me and others like me the right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment was established to restrict government from infringing on that right.

You write: “All of you are making believe that the first few words of the 2nd Amendment do not exist. BUT, THEY DO -“A WELL REGULATED MILITIA…” I cannot speak for others that make up your “all of you,” but as for myself, I have never believed or stated that the first few words of the 2nd Amendment do not exist. The difference between you and me is that I understand what the Founders meant by “well regulated Militia.” According to “An American Dictionary of the English Language, Vol. II” by Noah Webster, published in 1828, the definition of “regulated” is this: “adjusted by rule, method or forms, put in good order, subjected to rules or restrictions.” The “Random House College Dictionary” (1980) gives one more definition dating from 1690 and relating to troops: “properly disciplined.” So well regulated, to the Founders, meant a group of troops put in good order and properly disciplined. It is curious, however, that while you accuse me of ignoring the opening clause of the Amendment, you willfully ignore the closing one: “…shall not be infringed.”

You write: “Actually, you all should read the 2nd Amendment again.” Done. It says the same thing it said the last time I read it, and every other time before that. It is quite clear.

You write: “And, don’t give me that crap about the Supreme Court interpreting the 2nd Amendment your way. They have been wrong a few times in the last few years (ever since they became an arm of the Republican and tea parties).” The Supreme Court is an arm of government and corporations and, as such, rules on behalf of government and corporations. If you believe otherwise, you are delusional.

You write: “If you would, please reply to this. Yet, like the rest of the pro-gun backers, you are probably afraid to reply because you know I’m right.” You are wrong on both counts: I am not “afraid to reply,” nor are you “right.” These two links (here and here) should set you aright, if you are willing to be honest.

Best wishes,

Bob

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Dearest Frank,

It is with the utmost urgent pleasure that I respond to your challenge related to the words and meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

"Frankly" (no punk intended) I really don't give a good shit what the framers said or did with respect to the 2nd Amendment. It appears to me however that they cast off the oppressive king's yoke, a task that may have been quite difficult absent a call to arms.

At least half of my life has been spent trying to determine which is more dangerous to my "rights", the population at large that are as stupid as you are Frank, that have registered their firearms with the enemy, or the communists running Amerika today that would love to confiscate the weapons.

In the final analysis, Frank, you, the general population, the founders and the current government ghouls can all kiss my red, white, and blue keester, when it comes to any discussion about depriving me of the ability to defend myself.

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-12-22   12:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Very good but I noticed you holding back some.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-12-22   12:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

I was short on time !

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-12-22   13:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Dearest Frank,

Please feel free to come and take my firearms. Please. I dare you. I double-dare you. I have a bullet with your name on it and so do 60 million other Americans.

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Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2014-12-22   13:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

Please feel free to come and take my firearms. Please. I dare you. I double-dare you. I have a bullet with your name on it and so do 60 million other Americans.

What he said !

"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.". Étienne de La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2014-12-22   13:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

That's a good reply too. I would be inclined to give him mine, bullets first.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2014-12-22   15:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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