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Title: The "Impending" Russian Maidan
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URL Source: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/co ... 42-impending_russian_maidan-0/
Published: Jan 19, 2015
Author: Tony Cartalucci
Post Date: 2015-01-19 08:56:21 by Tatarewicz
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Comments: 41

Pravda...

The coordinated manipulation of global energy prices, a NATO build-up in Eastern Europe, and the rekindling of terrorism in Russia's southern Caucasus region all appear to be ever-increasing crescendos toward a much larger event - a "Russian Maidan."

The necessary components of a successful Western bid to overthrow the Russian political order include a political front protesting in Russia's major cities, as well as a full-spectrum economic war to put pressure on Russia's population, increasing dissent as well as swelling the ranks of staged protests Wall Street and Washington put in Russian streets. Another necessary component includes armed components to act under cover of "peaceful protesters" to escalate street demonstrations, prevent security forces from restoring order, and to carry out the actual physical overthrow of these security forces.

These elements could all be seen in neighboring Ukraine - a nation in which America and NATO's incessant meddling is a matter of long-standing public record. The Guardian would admit in its 2004 article, "US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev," that (emphasis added): Tweet

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...while the gains of the orange-bedecked "chestnut revolution" are Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavoury regimes.

Funded and organised by the US government, deploying US consultancies, pollsters, diplomats, the two big American parties and US non-government organisations, the campaign was first used in Europe in Belgrade in 2000 to beat Slobodan Milosevic at the ballot box.

Richard Miles, the US ambassador in Belgrade, played a key role. And by last year, as US ambassador in Tbilisi, he repeated the trick in Georgia, coaching Mikhail Saakashvili in how to bring down Eduard Shevardnadze.

Ten months after the success in Belgrade, the US ambassador in Minsk, Michael Kozak, a veteran of similar operations in central America, notably in Nicaragua, organised a near identical campaign to try to defeat the Belarus hardman, Alexander Lukashenko.

That one failed. "There will be no Kostunica in Belarus," the Belarus president declared, referring to the victory in Belgrade.

But experience gained in Serbia, Georgia and Belarus has been invaluable in plotting to beat the regime of Leonid Kuchma in Kiev.

The operation - engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a template for winning other people's elections.

Not only has Ukraine suffered because of this admitted US-backed political destabilization over the years, but as revealed by the Guardian and other sources, all of Eastern Europe has fallen prey to this brand of foreign-backed subversion, manipulation, and regime change. Considering this documented fact, the prospect of Wall Street and Washington trying likewise in Russia itself is not only possible, it has already been tried before, with likely attempts in the future only inevitable.

The Blockade...

Already at work is a coordinated manipulation of world oil prices. Revealed among plunging oil prices is that the entire industry is centrally manipulated not by market forces but by political agendas involving the US and its partners in the Middle East, most notably the enduring dictatorship in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. While any nation possesses the ability to weather such economic measures in the long-term as Iran and Cuba have proven, in the short-term, economic instability is one of the harbingers of political subversion where ranks of street demonstrations can be swelled by those who perceive such economic instability as the fault of the current government, rather than an economic attack from abroad.

The political front that will take to Russia's streets has already long been identified. It includes the same brand of extreme "nationalists" and ultra-right groups seen overrunning Ukraine's political order. This includes literal Neo-Nazis. One of the prevailing figures among Russia's ultra-right is US-backed Alexey Navalny - billed by the West as an "anti-corruption activist," who is in all reality a neo-fascist operating openly in the service of Wall Street.

Alexey Navalny was a Yale World Fellow, and in his profile it states:

Navalny spearheads legal challenges on behalf of minority shareholders in large Russian companies, including Gazprom, Bank VTB, Sberbank, Rosneft, Transneft, and Surgutneftegaz, through the Union of Minority Shareholders. He has successfully forced companies to disclose more information to their shareholders and has sued individual managers at several major corporations for allegedly corrupt practices. Navalny is also co-founder of the Democratic Alternative movement and was vice-chairman of the Moscow branch of the political party YABLOKO. In 2010, he launched RosPil, a public project funded by unprecedented fundraising in Russia. In 2011, Navalny started RosYama, which combats fraud in the road construction sector.

The Democratic Alternative, also written DA!, is a US State Department National Endowment for Democracy (NED) fund recipient, implicating Alexey Navalny as an agent of US-funded sedition. The US State Department itself reveals this as they list DA! among many of the "youth movements" they support operating in Russia:

DA!: Mariya Gaydar, daughter of former Prime Minister Yegor Gaydar, leads DA! (Democratic Alternative). She is ardent in her promotion of democracy, but realistic about the obstacles she faces. Gaydar said that DA! is focused on non-partisan activities designed to raise political awareness. She has received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, a fact she does not publicize for fear of appearing compromised by an American connection.

That this funding is nowhere on NED's official website indicates that full disclosures are not being made and that NED is engaged in clandestine funding.

Navalny was involved directly in founding a movement funded by the US government and to this day has the very people who funded DA! defending him throughout Western media. The mention of co-founder Mariya Gaydar is also revealing, as she has long collaborated, and occasionally has been arrested with, Ilya Yashin, yet another leader of a NED-funded Russian "activist" opposition group.

Ilya Yashin leads the Moscow branch of the People's Freedom Party and is a leading member of the "Strategy 31" campaign whose ranks are filled with activists trained and coordinated by US NED-funded NGOs. Deleted from the official http://NED.org website was Strategy 31's US funding:

Moscow Group of Assistance in the Implementation of the Helsinki Accords $50,000

To draw greater attention to the issue of freedom of assembly in Russia and to the "Strategy 31" movement, which seeks to protect this fundamental right. The organization will train a network of regional activists and coordinate their activities through mini-seminars and field visits, and conduct an information cam­paign through press conferences, posters, and educational handouts pertaining to freedom of assembly, to be distributed to the general public by regional partners.

Also deleted was a NED "Democracy Digest" article titled "Strategy 31: A sign of civil society's resilience." In it, the "Moscow Helsinki Group" is explicitly stated as leading Strategy 31 marches and that the group is a "long-time grantee of the National Endowment of Democracy."

The multiple deletions across NED's networks of Russian "activists" it is heavily funding and directing is yet another sign of imminent subversion, in hopes that links cannot be provided fast enough as the unrest unfolds to undermine the legitimacy of the otherwise US-engineered subversion.

Yashin's People's Freedom Party is lined not only with NED-funded "youth," but also lined with career politicians and businessmen collaborating with foreign-interests. Among them is Vladimir Ryzhkov a member of the NED-funded, Washington-based World Movement for Democracy (whose profile has also been recently deleted). There is also Boris Nemtsov whose adviser, Vladimir Kara-Murza (of Solidarnost) took part in a September 14, 2011 NED-sponsored event titled, "Elections in Russia: Polling and Perspectives."

Revealed is a political front entirely created by the US State Department to pose as the aspirations of the Russian people while in reality a creation and perpetuation of the aspirations of Wall Street and Washington. Under the unrest this front creates may be a heavily armed front consisting of ultra-right Neo-Nazis as observed in Ukraine, heavily armed sectarian terrorists backed by Saudi Arabia, or both.

A Look At America's "Sedition" Handbook

The use of armed elements to assist in US-engineered political subversion is not speculation. Rather, it is a documented policy included in plans laid for the undermining and overthrowing of other governments around the world. In one particular 2009 US policy paper titled, "Which Path to Persia?" by the Brookings Institution regarding the overthrow of Iran, it is stated specifically that:

One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.

Here, US policymakers are openly conspiring to covertly provoke a nation through political subversion. The resulting "act of aggression" would be portrayed as "unprovoked," just as has been done regarding Russia's involvement in neighboring Ukraine and all moves since Moscow has undertaken as the US and NATO continue to move toward war.

The policy paper also openly talks about the particulars of fomenting political unrest. Under a section called literally, "Finding the Right Proxies" it states:

One of the hardest tasks in fomenting a revolution, or even just unrest, is finding the right local partners.

After openly admitting the goal of "fomenting a revolution" or "unrest," it then details what support to provide these proxies:

...students and other groups need covert backing for their demonstrations. They need fax machines. They need internet access, funds to duplicate materials, and funds to keep vigilantes from beating them up. Beyond this, U.S.-backed media outlets could highlight regime shortcomings and make otherwise obscure critics more prominent. The United States already supports Persian-language satellite television (Voice of america Persian) and radio (radio Farda) that bring unfiltered news to Iranians (in recent years, these have taken the lion's share of overt U.S. funding for promoting democracy in Iran). U.S. economic pressure (and perhaps military pressure as well) can discredit the regime, making the population hungry for a rival leadership.

The report finally mentions armed groups supporting US-engineered sedition:

Some who favor fomenting regime change in Iran argue that it is utopian to hold out hope for a velvet revolution; instead, they contend that the United States should turn to Iranian opposition groups that already exist, that already have demonstrated a desire to fight the regime, and who appear willing to accept U.S. assistance. The hope behind this course of action is that these various opposition groups could transform themselves into more potent movements that might be able to overturn the regime.

What is troubling about this 2009 report is that each and every conspiracy contained within is not only confirmed by the authors to already be well underway against Iran, it is now clear that similar tactics have been used against Syria, China, and Russia itself. The "Arab Spring" was little more than these tactics used on a regional scale, and what was done in Syria and even Ukraine are almost verbatim pages torn from this playbook.

For a campaign aimed at Moscow itself, it is likely the same playbook will once again be employed. Exposing the insidious, malicious criminality of US policymakers who openly conspire to provoke other nations into conflict and manipulate public perception to maintain moral primacy is the first step to undoing attempts to destabilize and undermine Russia, and all other nations caught in the crosshairs of Wall Street and Washington.

While the West continues to portray Russia as the "aggressor," throughout America's own policy papers it can be seen that such accusations are just one part of an immensely insidious and deceitful plan. Portraying Russia as the "aggressors" helps justify further measures to set the board for widespread political subversion within Russia itself. It seeks to justify not only direct ties to opposition groups when they are finally revealed, but also increasingly aggressive interventions both by armed proxies and NATO forces themselves to continue propping up these opposition groups.

The spectacular nature of "invasions" as we imagine them, such as the Nazi blitzkrieg into Western Europe are behind us. Invasions within fourth generation warfare utilize faux opposition groups, covert military support, and full-spectrum economic, political, and information warfare. Russia has built defenses against this form of warfare, confounding the West , but ultimately the moral high ground and all of its advantages is a position only one can hold. Either by truth through exposing the West's means and agenda will Russia climb to the top, or through the West's continued successful deception, will Russia be pelted below.

Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine"New Eastern Outlook".

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/search/label/Russia


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Tatarewicz в 16:36 19 января Zionist Jews, acting through their American proxies, haven't given up in recaptuing Russia which they lost after putting Putin in power who then put Russian interests ahead of those of Israel. Unlike in America where Israeli duals dominate the Democrat and Republican parties whose elected candidates must pledge allegiance to Israel in order to get vital organizational, financial and media support in national elections. See Freedom4um, Israel-Zionism section. Ответить

Roman Russia в 09:55 19 января South Stream, Turk Stream... It's All the Same to Russia.Meanwhile Europe just handed over huge political leverage over Southern Europe to Turkey. Turkey is not interested in “Third Energy Packages” and says ‘thank you very much’ to Putin-Russia for this little present. Turkey and Russia, unlike the Euro-fools in Brussels, realize that Europe will need natural gas for decades to come. A pipeline through Turkey means additional billions of income for Turkey from transit fees, to be paid by European consumers, ruled by incompetent US satraps in Brussels. On top of that, Turkey will get an enormous and completely unnecessary political leverage over Europe, just because the Euro-cowards are too afraid to kick American ass hard Ответить

Ronald Aleksy в 05:04 19 января Friends of the political Left! What we should say about the USA capitalist system can be summed up in one word -- "Trickle-Down!". It should be obvious to all that with an $18 trillion national debt, the USA also has 25 million unemployed, 46 million taking food stamps, and close to 110 million surviving on government Welfare payments. This is a shame and a disgrace authorized by those who subverted the USA government to further their own economic interests at the expense of millions of others. Yes comrades, there are now millions in the USA sleeping in the sewers and the gutters of the streets on those cold Winter nights. Unfortunately these disenfranchised are so wretched from poverty that most don't go out and vote. So the wealthy dominate USA politics and shower the public on TV with propaganda. Ответить

Evan Raftery в 01:52 19 января This is a must read article. The Eastern Europeans are not the only victims of these techniques. We in the west are also at the mercy of this type of perversion of our democratic system. Hence why there are never 'upset wins' any more by outsiders. Any popular challengers from outside the system will be framed up & thrown in jail as is the case in Australia.The author could have also mentioned the manipulation of opinion as we will soon see when the paid trolls arrive to poo poo this article. ОтветитьСвернуть ответы⇓

Robert Austin в 02:27 19 января An interesting comment Mr. Rafferty. I do not disagree that democracies around the world are subject to attack from within and without the system. I have two questions. The first one is to what would you attribute the election of an African American to the highest political office in the United States? This was considered unthinkable twenty years ago. It is also very possible that the next President is a woman- Hillary Clinton. Would you say that Pravda too is quilty of attempting to manipulate public opinion at the request of the current regime in the Kremlin? ОтветитьСвернуть ответы⇓Свернуть ветку⇑

Evan Raftery в 03:41 19 января Good question. And one that shows exactly what I am saying. Obama is only half an African. One who has grown up with a white mother & family. But the real point is that he is a DEMOPUBLICAN. And unless you are part of the machine being Democrat or Republican you have absolutely no hope. At the very best you can act as a spoiler. The same entities that donate to the Republicans donate to Democrats. THEY have power. Because without the money Your going nowhere. And being busineses they quite naturally want a return on their investment. Does one think that they donate for fun? And unless your part of the machine you do not stand a chance. You get twiped out in the primaries. And the poor suckers being the electors are only given the chance to vote for WHO IS SELECTED FOR THEM. Representative dictatorship.We once had a far more inclusive & genuine system that represented the peoples interests. That is no more and now we have a system that monitors our every phone call & communication. Such is their love for the people.As for PRAVDA. Quite possibly it speaks for the Kremlin. It is however an alternate viewpoint. As is RT. And I can honestly say that there is far more dissension in the Russian online media than there is in ours. And untill RT came along the Australian media at least self censored a whole raft of topics. That has changed with RT. The western media had a 'lag' of about 2 - 5 days after RT would report an item detrimental to western corporate or power interests. Now they have been forced to cover things more KNOWING that more people watch RT than their own media.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Poor Mother Russia, poor Pooty Poot Putin.

Garbage stacked high, too long to read.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   10:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Thought it might have been from Faal...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-19   10:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1) (Edited)

Keep sticking your head in the sand with your pooty poot up in the air, perhaps you'll attract something looking for a snack.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-19   11:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#2)

Pooty Poot is about to have a nervous breakdown, Russia is near financial collapse, again.

China is sitting there, patiently waiting, ready to grab the remains.

Poor Pooty Poot.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   11:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Jeez! Talk about being obnoxicated! :p

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-01-19   13:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4)

So who are you cheering for, the House of Rothchild, the House of Saud, or the Red Chinese?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-19   13:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Obnoxicated (#5) (Edited)

Jeez! Talk about being obnoxicated! :p

One thing I do have is an extensive background of Russian history, a few years of it up close and personal.

Just one item...In 1950 we were fighting Chinese in Korea and our mission was to nuke Russia. That does not make sense to a young person.

However, there is one place where Russia, China and Korea share a common border. The Chinese came over at the instigation of the Russians, would the Russians also cross over. Had they done so, we would have leveled Russia.

Truman would not allow MacArthur to deny the Chinese passage via A bombing. So we had a stalemate. Unknown to us at the time, Truman and the government feared Russia would invade Alaska.

......It was determined that if they invaded THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO, they would take Alaska.

Unless, of course, we A bombed Russia back into the stone age.

I detest our government, however, they have always known and know now that Russians cannot be trusted.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   13:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: FormerLurker (#6)

I for one would love to cheer for my own team, but the louts running this country are too busy making asses of all of us.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-19   13:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom, Obnoxicated (#7)

One thing I do have is an extensive background of Russian history, a few years of it up close and personal.

Just one item...In 1950 we were fighting Chinese in Korea and our mission was to nuke Russia. That does not make sense to a young person.

Again, and again, and again Cynicom, you are living in the past and refuse to accept the fact that the country you are talking about ceased to exist two decades ago. It wasn't RUSSIA per se, it was the SOVIET UNION, a nation which imprisoned and executed millions of it's OWN people.

There was a revolution in case you missed it. The country is now a nation that has free elections, is not communist, and is not in the business of world conquest, unlike the former USSR and the CURRENT USA.

So as much as you like to tout your own horn and blow your own whistle, you are no geopolitical mastermind. Heck, you can't even understand that things have changed over the past several decades.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-19   15:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#8)

I for one would love to cheer for my own team, but the louts running this country are too busy making asses of all of us.

Our team has been sold off to the highest bidder long ago. It hasn't been rebranded, but it's been paid, bribed, and coerced to do the bidding of the real owners however.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-19   15:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#9)

The old fool doesn't have the capacity to think or respond rationally (hell, he's frame of reference is 65 years ago) therefore responding to him is irrational. He'll expire with a wheeze or a whimper soon enough.

Ticktock.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-01-19   16:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#7)

I was just chuckling about your obvious trolling with the pooty poot bit, Cyni, but I'd never allow it to go as far as some of these guys take it. Can't ya just feel the love in here?

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-01-19   18:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randge (#8)

I for one would love to cheer for my own team, but the louts running this country are too busy making asses of all of us.

Reply of this century.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-19   18:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Obnoxicated (#12)

Can't ya just feel the love in here?

It is sometimes overwhelming.

If one resides here for awhile, it becomes readily clear as to how the government and media have so greatly succeeded, in their effort to brainwash, program and control the masses.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   21:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

Can you imagine a scenario where the great powers do not go after each other's throats? Does it have to be the way you describe?

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   21:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deasy (#15)

The great powers only appear, to the masses, to be going after each others throats.

In reality, they're going after our throats, lives, and wallets.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-19   21:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#16)

Insightful. I'm still hoping for Cynicom to answer though.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   21:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deasy (#17)

No worry - he'll weigh in as he's able to.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-19   21:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#18)

War is such a terrible thing. People just don't realize; talking about it as if it's inevitable makes me shudder.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   21:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deasy, Lod (#15)

Can you imagine a scenario where the great powers do not go after each other's throats? Does it have to be the way you describe?

Deasy...

Sir Lod answered it very well.

"""Does it have to be the way you describe? """

It does NOT have to be, rather you might ask, WILL IT BE?

Yes it will be. Hell on earth describes it perfectly.

Sometimes in frustration, I wish members here were forced to sit in on preparations that would evaporate 300,000 humans in the blink of an eye. Being a participant in such sweeps away any naive views one may have held.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   21:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom, Lod (#20)

What can we do to discourage this kind of thinking, Cyni?

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   21:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deasy, Lod (#21)

What can we do to discourage this kind of thinking, Cyni?

Nothing.

Fatalistic? No, realistic.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   22:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

Younger generations will have to test their mettle against this ominous horror. For one thing, I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary humans.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   22:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deasy (#23)

I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary humans.

Some help here -

I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary real humans.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-19   22:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lod (#24)

Thanks Lod.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-19   22:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deasy, Lod (#25)

Deasy...

Question...The German army that ignited WWII was trained where by whom? Rommel, Guderian etc etc.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-19   22:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod, Deasy (#24)

Deasy: I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary humans.

Lod: I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary real humans.

A little Friedrich Nietzsche, tonite?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-01-19   22:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#7)

Chinese came over at the instigation of the Russians

Chinese came over at the instigation of the Soviet Bolshevik Jews, part of the same Tribe that is now pushing America and other ZOGs to get world control in Israel's interest. Ordinary Russians were just as much captive of Jew criminals as Americans are now with the Israeli lobby and its duals who run the Democrat and Republic parties.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2015-01-19   23:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tatarewicz (#28)

Chinese came over at the instigation of the Soviet Bolshevik Jews,

Indeed....

Somewhere on internet is a list of orders given by Kremlin to Chinese as when and what to send to Korea in the way of men etc.

That authority no longer exists and it is the Russians that live in fear.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-20   1:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#20)

Cynicom at #7: Truman and the government feared Russia would invade Alaska.

......It was determined that if they invaded THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO, they would take Alaska.

Unless, of course, we A bombed Russia back into the stone age.

Cynicom at #20: Sometimes in frustration, I wish members here were forced to sit in on preparations that would evaporate 300,000 humans in the blink of an eye.

Excerpts from a presstv.com article 2015/01/15: A doomsday plane reminder: nuclear weapons haven't gone away

Here’s a news item you may have missed over the holidays. The “doomsday planes” are being upgraded. Four E-4B flying command posts that would be used by U.S. leaders to manage military operations in a nuclear war will receive communications upgrades to enhance their “connectivity” during a conflict that could spell the end of civilization as we know it.

The reason you may have missed the story is that almost nobody besides InsideDefense.com reported it. National media were too busy covering more weighty matters like [...] a Sony film farce [and] a French satirical magazine [...]. How could nuclear Armageddon compete with that?

In fairness, the proposed upgrades to the “national airborne operations center” are just part of a routine reprogramming request that the Pentagon has submitted to Congress. But how often does any facet of the nation’s nuclear complex see the light of day in national media? Other than cheating scandals and an occasional misplaced weapon, the media have ceased paying attention to the most likely way in which America might one day disappear forever.

America’s military hasn’t.

U.S. military planners take this threat so seriously that when the president goes overseas, one of the doomsday planes always follows. It needs to be nearby at all times, as does the military aide within a few yards of the president carrying nuclear launch codes and communications gear. Similar provisions have been made in Russia,

the main protection Americans have against Russian nuclear aggression today is Moscow’s awareness that the U.S. force could ride out a surprise attack and then retaliate by laying waste to the Motherland. [...] a corollary assumption of the way the U.S. currently practices nuclear deterrence is that America’s own homeland can’t be well-defended.

Why doesn’t this story get more attention, since it’s the only manmade threat that really could wipe out our civilization? One possible reason is that people think nuclear war is very improbable – a failure of imagination, as Thomas Friedman put it after the 9-11 attacks. Another reason, perhaps, is that they’ve simply gotten used to the danger, and prefer not to think about the unthinkable. But a third possibility, which would be worth testing, is that a majority of Americans believe they are defended against nuclear attack, even though in the common-sense definition of that term they are not.

Somehow, Americans have arrived at a time in their history when they spend hundreds of billions of dollars shoring up the security of countries on the other side of the world, but have almost no protection against the one danger that could obliterate everything they cherish. This isn’t just a catastrophe waiting to happen, it is a political cause waiting to be embraced.

This article originally appeared on forbes.com.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-20   10:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#30)

The reason you may have missed the story is that almost nobody besides InsideDefense.com reported it. National media were too busy covering more weighty matters like [...] a Sony film farce [and] a French satirical magazine [...]. How could nuclear Armageddon compete with that?

Thanks for that...Had not viewed as I spend very little time on the net anymore.

The military is charged with the DEFENSE of our country.

Since WWII it was found that a continuous LIMITED OFFENSE was in fact the best affordable DEFENSE. That sounds like a contradiction, but it is not.

The military is scalded for having bases scattered around the world, the citizens see nothing but waste and empire building. That may well be true to an extent, however, any potential enemy knows full well that to attack the United States, they must deal will all of these far flung military bases.

Example, a base on Tinian Island was reopened a few months ago, FOR TRAINING PURPOSES. That part is true, however, what else is there or what it could be used for, gives the Russians/Chinese one more place to eradicate, if they ever think of destroying this country. Tinian has been closed since 1946 and was not used for two major wars in its reach.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-20   10:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#31)

The military is charged with the DEFENSE of our country.

Since WWII it was found that a continuous LIMITED OFFENSE was in fact the best affordable DEFENSE. That sounds like a contradiction, but it is not.

The military is scalded for having bases scattered around the world, the citizens see nothing but waste and empire building. That may well be true to an extent, however, any potential enemy knows full well that to attack the United States, they must deal will all of these far flung military bases.

Example, a base on Tinian Island was reopened a few months ago, FOR TRAINING PURPOSES. That part is true, however, what else is there or what it could be used for, gives the Russians/Chinese one more place to eradicate, if they ever think of destroying this country. Tinian has been closed since 1946 and was not used for two major wars in its reach.

Google Search result for Tinian: "Tinian Island was the launching point for the atomic bomb attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki,"

I'm not convinced that our scattered outposts would do much as decoys to draw that type of fire away from America as the main target. If America was destroyed so, most likely those far away bases would be used to defend the foreign countries they are stationed at from more conventional war tactics, I'd think.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-20   11:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GreyLmist (#32)

I'm not convinced that our scattered outposts would do much as decoys to draw that type of fire away from America as the main target.

They are launching points, bases that must be destroyed first. From Thule, Greenland, to northern Australia.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-20   13:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Obnoxicated, Cynicom (#12)

I was just chuckling about your obvious trolling with the pooty poot bit, Cyni, but I'd never allow it to go as far as some of these guys take it. Can't ya just feel the love in here?

He's not "trolling", he actually takes himself seriously.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-20   13:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#33)

They are launching points, bases that must be destroyed first.

Even if they were all struck first or simultaneously in a massive attack against America, I'm thinking that would only account for a couple of hundred launches in those directions at most and probably much more than that launched at just us -- yes?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-20   13:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GreyLmist (#35)

Initiating a nuclear war now is an all or nothing situation...

Evil men are all around, it takes but one mad man to set the world afire. Obongo might go off his swizzle stick one day and order bombs away. Sounds automatic, but I wager there are safeguards within the military for back stopping any such order.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-20   17:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pridie Nones (#27)

Lod: I reject the idea that a few million Jews are worth billions of ordinary real humans.

A little Friedrich Nietzsche, tonite?

Old Freddie N. actually liked the Jews. In some ways he had a greater estimation for them than he had of the Germans.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-20   17:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: randge (#37)

Nietzsche is considered antisemitic now because he liked them too well.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-20   23:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#36)

Initiating a nuclear war now is an all or nothing situation...

Evil men are all around, it takes but one mad man to set the world afire. Obongo might go off his swizzle stick one day and order bombs away. Sounds automatic, but I wager there are safeguards within the military for back stopping any such order.

USS Liberty Flashback -- perspectives from a BBC documentary researcher:

Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War Three – May 15, 2003 by Peter Hounam

The USS Liberty was attacked by unmarked planes and torpedo boats in international waters during the Six Day War between Israel and the Arab States.

This hard-hitting investigation shows that on that day in 1967, the world came closer to all-out nuclear war than ever before -- this incident made the Cuban Missile Crisis seem tame by comparison. Peter Hounam reveals that the attack was part of a clandestine plan between the US and Israel known as "Operation Cyanide," designed to ensure victory for Israel in the Middle East. By blaming the attack on the Arab world, retaliation on a grand scale would be justified.

[Look Inside the book]

Bruce Campbell on Operation Cyanide and the USS Liberty - 3 minute video

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-21   6:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy (#38)

Nietzsche is considered antisemitic now because he liked them too well.

Hot dang. Ya can't win for losin'.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-21   11:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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