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Title: Israeli State Terror the Root Cause of Palestinian Blowback
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Published: Jan 21, 2015
Author: Stephen Lendman
Post Date: 2015-01-21 11:50:35 by Stephen Lendman
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Israeli State Terror the Root Cause of Palestinian Blowback

by Stephen Lendman

Israeli state terror is longstanding. Palestinians are ruthlessly persecuted. Terrorized for praying to the wrong God.

Assaulted, beaten, arrested, imprisoned, tortured and murdered in cold blood. For daring to resist Israeli barbarism. Demanding fundamental rights everyone deserves.

Violence begets more of it. The latest incident won't be the last. Automatically called "terrorism."

Israeli media accounts didn't surprise. Omitting what most needs explaining.

YNet News headlined "12 stabbed in terror attack on Tel Aviv bus." A same day headline read "Netanyahu: Paris, Brussels, Tel Aviv - all victims of same terror."

The Jerusalem Post headlined "Terror attack in Tel Aviv: Palestinian seriously wounds 4 in stabbing rampage on bus."

An accompanying article headlined "Tel Aviv terrorist says he was motivated by Operation Protective Edge."

The closest Israeli media come to explaining blowback. Short of condemning decades of Israeli state- sponsored terror. What most needs highlighting.

The Times of Israel headlined "Palestinian stabs Tel Aviv commuters in terror attack." A second article said Netanyahu blames Palestinian leadership. More on this below.

A third article said "Terrorist says he carried out attack over Gaza war, Temple Mount." Again, the closest Israeli media come to explaining what's most important.

Haaretz headlined "12 Israelis wounded in stabbing attack on Tel Aviv bus." At least it didn't headline terrorism.

It let Israeli police foreign press spokesman Micky Rosenfeld claim  a "terror attack."

A police statement said "(t)he terrorist stabbed the bus driver several times but (he) fought back until (the assailant) fled on foot and was neutralized by a guard from the prison service."

Hamas called the incident a "natural reaction" by victims of occupation harshness.

Deputy Hamas political bureau head Mousa Abu Marzouq said "there is no bigger terrorism than occupying people, stealing their lands, freedom and dignity."

Deputy Palestinian Legislation Council (PLC) head Ahmad Bahr called the incident "self-defense."

Adding Palestinian Authority (PA) "negotiations" are a waste of time. Giving Israel more time to "Judaize" East Jerusalem. Expand West Bank settlements.

He called on PA leaders to abandon diplomacy. Resort to resistance, he urged.

Popular Resistance Committees called the incident a "natural reaction to all Israeli crimes against Palestinians, their lands and religious sites."

"Resistance attacks will not stop," they added. Urged a "complete intifada" inside Israel.

Netanyahu's statement didn't surprise. Absolving Israel of any wrongdoing. Turning truth on its head irresponsibly.

Calling the Tel Aviv attack "the direct result of the poisonous incitement being disseminated by the Palestinian Authority against the Jews and their state."

"This same terrorism is trying to attack us in Paris, Brussels and everywhere. It is Hamas - Abu Mazen’s (Abbas) partners in a unity government - that hastened to commend this attack."

"This is the same Hamas that announced it will sue Israel at the International Criminal Court in the Hague."

"Abu Mazen is responsible for both the incitement and the dangerous move at the ICC in the Hague."

"I just spoke with the head of the Israel Prison Service Nahshon unit, Menashe Ganish, and I praised the determined action by the unit’s fighters, who saved many lives and prevented a worse attack."

"We will continue to take strong action against the terrorism that has been trying to attack us since the founding of the state, and we will see to it that it does not achieve its goal."

Ultranationalist defrocked/reinstated Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called the incident part "of the same branch whose aim is to destroy the Jewish state."

The assailant was identified as 23-year-old Tulkarem resident Hamza Mohammed Hasan Matrouk.

Haaretz said he "was taken to the hospital for treatment (of a gunshot wound to his leg) and further police and Shin Bet questioning."

Palestinian sources said he's not affiliated with any organization or political faction. He targeted Bus number 40 on Menachem Begin Road.

A major Tel Aviv thoroughfare near the Ma'ariv bridge. Haaretz explained what happened as follows:

"According to a preliminary investigation, the assailant got to Tel Aviv on Wednesday morning and boarded the bus at the Old Central Bus Station, a short distance from the scene of the attack."

"After the bus passed two stops and more passengers got on, the attacker took out a knife and started stabbing people."

"Given that the perpetrator bought the knife in the West Bank, he will be brought before a military court in Ariel."

"As he is still in hospital with the wound to his leg, he wasn't taken to court on Wednesday. His detention will be extended by 96 hours."

Lone wolf Palestinian retaliatory attacks followed Operation Protective Edge. Israeli state terror.

Cold, calculated, premeditated aggression. Murdering over 2,200 Palestinians. Injuring another 11,000.

Many maimed for life. Thousands of Gazan children survivors traumatized. Many lost both parents.

Dozens of Palestinian families were slaughtered entirely. Around 80% of Gazan casualties were noncombatant men, women, children, infants and the disabled.

Israel considers them legitimated targets. In gross violation of fundamental international law.

Palestinians are automatically called terrorists. In violent incidents involving them and Jews.

Even when Israeli security forces initiate attacks. Israel calls state terrorism self-defense. Legitimate Palestinian resistance is called terrorism.

Maan News spoke with Hamza's friends. One said the night before the incident they both "hung out with friends…until 11pm and we had fun."

Hamza "was laughing and kidding, and I know very well that he isn't affiliated (with) any faction."

Since September, Palestinians killed seven Israelis. Six civilians. One soldier.

During the same timeframe, Israelis killed 32 Palestinians. Including a 13-year-old child. Israeli security forces murdered three Palestinians in the last week alone.

One attending the funeral of another Palestinian Israel killed during a Negev house raid. All were unarmed threatening no one.

In the past 10 days, five Gazans died of exposure. Including four infants. Operation Protective Edge victims. They won't be the last ones.

Israeli aggression destroyed or damaged over 100,000 homes. Many Gazans have inadequate shelter. Unable to protect themselves from cold, wind and heavy rain.

West Bank and East Jerusalem Palestinians live in fear. Multiple daily security force incursions target their communities.

On January 21 alone, Israeli soldiers kidnapped 18 Palestinian Nablus and Hebron residents. Many others were injured near Jenin.

Reports said clashes occurred after soldiers raided many homes pre-dawn. Ransacked them. Terrorized family members. Arrested innocent victims.

Palestinians endure this type abuse daily. State terrorism by any standard. Treating victimized Paalestinian men, women and children the way Hitler treated Jews.

Surprisingly Palestinian blowback doesn't happen more often. Abused people take so much before reacting.

Violence begets more of it. Expect lots more ahead. Israel bears full responsibility. Rogue states operate this way.

A Final Comment

On January 21, US House Speaker John Boehner invited Netanyahu to address a February 11 joint congressional session. Boehner disgraced himself saying:

"Prime Minister Netanyahu is a great friend of our country, and this invitation carries with it our unwavering commitment to the security and well-being of his people."

"In this time of challenge, I am asking the Prime Minister to address Congress on the grave threats radical Islam and Iran pose to our security and way of life."  

"Americans and Israelis have always stood together in shared cause and common ideals, and now we must rise to the moment again."

Netanyahu addressed Congress twice before. In 1996 and 2011. Each time an exercise in duplicity and Big Lies. Expect nothing different this time.

Islam and Iran pose no threats whatever. Or other US/Israeli targeted nations, groups or individuals.

American and Israeli state terror threaten humanity's survival.

Don't expect Boehner or Netanyahu to explain. Partners in high crimes against peace.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

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#1. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)

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Surely you must have a source for your propaganda....er...um..."story." UNLESS you're on the ground reporting. ARE YOU??

Btw, what part of, "Muzzie Terror" don't you ever understand?

P.S. -- Do you ever respond or hit-and-run air-drop your blog-guano?

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   11:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)

American and Israeli state terror threaten humanity's survival.

LOL. I guess we can just discount the Muslim insanity run amok in the world and Sharia, eh? Or the plans and elites' NWO/One World Gubmint Police State?

...the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network.

Explains a lot. Thanks. Hmmm...I wonder who REALLY pays your bills...

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   11:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#1) (Edited)

Btw, what part of, "Muzzie Terror" don't you ever understand?

What part of Israeli terror don't you understand?

Do you think Israelis are all just virtuous, innocent, misunderstood peace loving folks?

There are SOME who may be of that inclination, but the Israeli government (and many who support it) are ruthless and bloodthirsty, and are guilty of the very things Hitler perpetrated upon European Jews.

Are you even familiar with the birth of modern day Israel?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Liberator (#2)

Explains a lot. Thanks. Hmmm...I wonder who REALLY pays your bills...

We know where Lendman's coming from. I'm wondering who's paying your bills.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2015-01-21   12:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#3)

We've had this conversation before on "Palestine". The actual history is clear. You have your own version, I know the truth. Israel IS a nation. "Palestine" is NOT. Israel has its own government and sovereignty. "Palestine"...not so much. Only in your mind can "TERROR" be defined as "self-defense." Hey -- what's your excuse for the spread of rife Muzzie terror in places like Africa, Asia, and Europe? Is that Israel's fault too? Or is it Muzzies-being-Muzzies?

NEWSFLASH: Indigenous people and sovereignties tend to NEED to defend themswelves from insane Death Cultists.

I just know you'll be the first one here pinging me to the celebration party the day the joos are driven into the sea or nuked by it's 100 million-plus lunatic Muzzie neighbors.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   13:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hmmmmm (#4)

We know where Lendman's coming from.

Would that be his Mom's basement?

Lendman is an absentee-poster who dumps his liberal-leftist Muzz-Symp clap-trap and runs without so much as accounting for a single word.

Btw -- Are you a fellow Progressive as is Lendman? Most Progs coincidently and ironically happen to be the kind of self-loathing joos who hate Israel, America, and Christians.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   13:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: FormerLurker (#3)

Do you think Israelis are all just virtuous, innocent, misunderstood peace loving folks?

I don't even believe the majority of Americans are "virtuous, innocent, misunderstood peace loving folks."

In the matter of survival, Israel is pro-Israel. They recognize a threat and act accordingly. TO ANIMALS.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   13:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)

Israeli State Terror the Root Cause of Palestinian Blowback

Funny, Israeli (aka Zionist) state terror of a globally financial variety was the root cause of German blowback in the '30s too.

Funny how that works and all seems to come back to the same thing.

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-21   14:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Liberator (#7) (Edited)

In the matter of survival, Israel is pro-Israel. They recognize a threat and act accordingly. TO ANIMALS.

As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Nice to see that you're unencumbered from allowing facts to assist in building your arguments. Should I go tell my Palestinean muslim neighbors here in my upscale middle class neighborhood that they're animals?

The next time that he, as a pediatrician treats one of the neighborhood kids pro bono, I'll make sure to alert him to that fact.

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-21   14:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#5)

I know the truth. Israel IS a nation. "Palestine" is NOT.

You know nothing. Palestine WAS a nation until Israel stole the land and eradicated the lives of the majority of that nation's population.

You are nothing more than a bigot who hates a large number of this planet's people because of the religion they were born into. Yes there are lunatics and fanatical fundamentalists who adhere to that particular religion, just as there are christians who proclaim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ yet salivate at the thought of inflicting suffering and death on 1.6 billion people just because of their religion, yourself as a typical example of such.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   15:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#7)

In the matter of survival, Israel is pro-Israel. They recognize a threat and act accordingly. TO ANIMALS.

Is that what your pastor teaches his "flock"?

So if anyone feels that a certain group of people are a threat, say niggers for example, they can just go ahead and "act accordingly" because they view them as "ANIMALS", correct?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   15:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#7)

And BTW Liberator, do you feel that non-Jews are ALSO "ANIMALS" and can and should be treated as such? That's what boggles my mind when it comes to zionist christians, since the Talmud states that goyim are nothing more than animals for the most part.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   15:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#12)

non-Jews are ALSO "ANIMALS"

Wasn't there a big deal rabbi who said as much??

Is this terror, Lurker, or what?

Israeli Soldier Gives Water to Blind Elderly Palestinian Woman for Propaganda, Then Kills Her

By Global Research News

Global Research, January 21, 2015

Middle East Monitor 20 January 2015

Region: Middle East & North Africa

Theme: Crimes against Humanity

IsraeliSoldierGivesWaterToGhalyaAbu-Rida

74-year-old Palestinian woman Ghalya Abu-Rida being given water by Israeli troops, minutes before she was executed.

During the Israeli bombardment and shelling of the Gaza Strip last summer, an Israeli soldier approached a 74-year-old Palestinian woman Ghalya Abu-Rida to give her a sip of water. He gave her the water, took a photo with her and then he shot her in the head from a distance of one metre. He then watched as she bled to death, the Palestine Information Centre reported.

This is how Ahmad Qdeh, a journalist in Al-Aqsa TV, described the scene that he witnessed during the latest Israeli aggression. The spokesman of the Israeli army, Avichay Adraee, shared the photo of an Israeli soldier holding the water bottle and helping the old woman drink as an example of the “humanity” of the Israeli army towards the civilians in the Gaza Strip.

The field executions were among the stories Qdeh reported during the Israeli aggression on Gaza Strip. He said: “Ghalya Ahmad Abu-Rida lived in the Khuza’a area in the east of Khan Younis city. I live in that area too and I made a television report on her story after the Israeli soldiers executed her during the aggression.”

“During the aggression, an Israeli soldier approached the old woman and took a photo for another soldier while giving her water. They then executed her by shooting her in the head from a distance of one metre and let her bleed until she died,” he added.

Ghalya was born in 1941. She lived by herself in a room near her brothers’ house in the Abu-Rida neighbourhood of Khuza’a. She had no children. Her neighbourhood was one of the first places invaded by the Israeli army during the aggression.

Field Execution

Majed Abu-Rida, Ghalya’s nephew, confirmed to the media that his aunt was visually impaired and could hardly see. He said that the Israeli army had falsely claimed humanity while executing his aunt in cold blood.

Ghalya, with her weak body and white hair, refused to leave her house after the Israeli army ordered the residents of Khuza’a to evacuate. She thought her old age would protect her from being a target so she stayed in her home and refused to join the majority of the residents who left the area as the invasion began.

On 3 August, the Israeli forces announced a truce and allowed medical staff to reach the Khuza’a area. Ghalya was found dead after she bled to death as she was shot in the head near her house, Al-Aqsa TV confirmed to MEMO. Her brother confirmed that the photo shared by the Israeli army supported the family’s belief that Ghalya was in the hands of the Israeli army. The family also believed that the area in which Ghalya appeared in the photo and in which she was found asserted that the Israeli forces killed her after taking the photo for the media.

Misinformation

Professor of media at the universities of Gaza, Ahmad Al-Farra, said: “The photo the Israeli army spokesman shared is misleading propaganda by the Israeli army to present a humane portrait of its soldiers. It can enhance the opportunity to pursue the Israeli army’s soldiers as war criminals before the International Criminal Court.”

“This photo proves the confusion of the Israeli army spokesman in defending his army. It proves that they killed civilians,” he added.

He continued: “The Israeli occupation lies and misinforms in an attempt to affect international public opinion. It exploits the Arab media and Palestinian diplomacy in exposing the Israeli occupation’s crimes.” He demanded launching a large campaign to expose the Israeli lies and falsifications.

Al-Farra stressed the need for a media enlightenment campaign to go side by side with the field battles to correct the false image that Israel presents about its army and the resistance.

Israel carried out a 51-day war that claimed the lives of around 2,200 Palestinians and wounded around 11,000 others.

www.globalresearch.ca/isr...ier-gives-water-to-blind- elderly-">www.globalresearch.ca/isr...s-water-to-blind-elderly- palestinian-woman-for-propaganda-then-kills-her/5425972

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-21   15:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#5)

NEWSFLASH: Indigenous people and sovereignties tend to NEED to defend themswelves

So perhaps the indigenous Palestinian people should have defended themselves against the invading ZIONISTS, right?

From Wiki article on the Balfour Declaration

In 1896, Theodor Herzl, a Jewish journalist living in Austria-Hungary, published Der Judenstaat ("The Jews' State" or "The State of the Jews"), in which he asserted that the only solution to the "Jewish Question" in Europe, including growing antisemitism, was through the establishment of a state for the Jews. Political Zionism had just been born.[5] A year later, Herzl founded the Zionist Organization (ZO), which at its first congress, "called for the establishment of a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law". Serviceable means to attain that goal included the promotion of Jewish settlement there, the organisation of Jews in the diaspora, the strengthening of Jewish feeling and consciousness, and preparatory steps to attain those necessary governmental grants.[6] Herzl passed away in 1904 without the political standing that was required to carry out his agenda of a Jewish home in Palestine.[7]

During the first meeting between Chaim Weizmann and Balfour in 1906, Balfour asked what Weizmann's objections were to the idea of a Jewish homeland in Uganda (the Uganda Protectorate in East Africa in the British Uganda Programme), rather than in Palestine. According to Weizmann's memoir, the conversation went as follows:

"Mr. Balfour, supposing I was to offer you Paris instead of London, would you take it?" He sat up, looked at me, and answered: "But Dr. Weizmann, we have London." "That is true," I said, "but we had Jerusalem when London was a marsh." He ... said two things which I remember vividly. The first was: "Are there many Jews who think like you?" I answered: "I believe I speak the mind of millions of Jews whom you will never see and who cannot speak for themselves." ... To this he said: "If that is so you will one day be a force."[8]

Two months after Britain's declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, Zionist British cabinet member Herbert Samuel circulated a memorandum entitled The Future of Palestine to his cabinet colleagues. The memorandum stated that "I am assured that the solution of the problem of Palestine which would be much the most welcome to the leaders and supporters of the Zionist movement throughout the world would be the annexation of the country to the British Empire".

And BTW, did you know that the Palestinians are most likely descended from the ACTUAL HEBREWS of the Bible?

Israeli Historian: Palestinians Are Biological Descendants of Bible’s Jews


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   16:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#13)

Israeli Soldier Gives Water to Blind Elderly Palestinian Woman for Propaganda, Then Kills Her

That wouldn't surprise me one bit.

To people such as Liberator and his faux race of "chosen" people, anyone who doesn't fall on his knees to kiss the feet of Israeli soldiers are "animals".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   16:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Katniss, Former Lurker (#8)

Funny, Israeli (aka Zionist) state terror of a globally financial variety was the root cause of German blowback in the '30s too.

Yep. So thank God for Hitler and Nazis...

3...2...1....Stalin and the Commies too regarding the 1917 "blowback."

Oh...and then there was the Muslim blowback that started...oh...1400 years ago. ("THE SANE MUST BE PURGED AND INFIDELS MURDERED...FOR ALLAH!!") Good thing THAT is finally over. OH WAIT.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Katniss (#9)

Nice to see that you're unencumbered from allowing facts to assist in building your arguments.

And which "facts" are they?

Should I go tell my Palestinean muslim neighbors here in my upscale middle class neighborhood that they're animals?

Until your neighborshood becomes a Sharia-compliant "NO-GO" Zone I guess you ought to keep vewy qwiet. Apparently the Infidels are safe. FOR NOW.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker (#10)

You are nothing more than a bigot who hates a large number of this planet's people because of the religion they were born into. Yes there are lunatics and fanatical fundamentalists who adhere to that particular religion..

HA! Atta boy! You're just like 0bomber -- REFUSING to even utter: "MUSLIM." "Particular religion," my azz. Go ahead and say it!: "Lunatic and fanatical Muslims."

...Jst as there are christians who proclaim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ yet salivate at the thought of inflicting suffering and death on 1.6 billion people just because of their religion, yourself as a typical example of such.

Wow. A truly insane statement by a lunatic. Lol -- yep. I guess anyone who armes themselves and takes note of the murderous 1400 year long jihad against ALL civilizations based on the rabid teachings of Mooohammad MUST be...NOT vigilant. But "INTOLERANT."

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#11)

In the matter of survival, Israel is pro-Israel. They recognize a threat and act accordingly. TO ANIMALS.

Is that what your pastor teaches his "flock"?

My Pastor would have nothing to do with my personal observations and vigilance.

Is there something wrong with of individuals or nations defending themselves from murderous lunatics who believes heaven awaits them...for perpetrating evil? Murdering children? Raping them?

YES OR NO?

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#12)

And BTW Liberator, do you feel that non-Jews are ALSO "ANIMALS" and can and should be treated as such?

HUH?? Can you be more specific about this specific insane question?

That's what boggles my mind when it comes to zionist christians, since the Talmud states that goyim are nothing more than animals for the most part.

I don't know what the Talmud teaches. Don't care. But I DO know THIS: The Talmud does NOT coerce Sharia Law upon its citizens, create a "Dhimmi" class, or convert by the sword. Or murder people by by the millions. NOR is it a Death Cult.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#13)

Is your story supposed to balance the vicious, blood 1400 year long (and counting) jihad against the Infidel?

There are excepts of "terrorism" and barbarism perpetrated by the Israelis, and the US military as well. Doesn't mean it's the rule. Nor does it mean the US gubmint hasn't covered up those instances as well. In war, all nations violate humanity.

Muslim Terrorism happens to be THE RULE. Even of its own people. The Koran teaches obedience is to kill the Infidel. That's a fact that's driven home on a daily basis.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   17:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#18)

Wow. A truly insane statement by a lunatic. Lol -- yep. I guess anyone who armes themselves and takes note of the murderous 1400 year long jihad against ALL civilizations based on the rabid teachings of Mooohammad MUST be...NOT vigilant. But "INTOLERANT."

What it comes down to "Liberator" is that you are blind to acts of violence of ANYONE unless they are a "Muzzie".

You see them under your bed, in your dreams, and are phobic of anyone who has an Arabic name or dark skin.

To you, truthful and factual observations are "lunatic rants", yet you would just LOVE to nuke every single Arabic nation on earth, just because they "MIGHT" pose a threat to your precious "joos".

Never mind the fact that many of those "Mooselums" you hate so much are actually Arabic Christians or Jews.

And even if they ARE in fact Muslim, not all Muslims are hate-filled fanatics, just like not all christians are hate-filled fanatics. In fact, they may just be pissed off over the fact the US and Israel have killed and/or tortured their loved ones.

But for you and your fellow travelers, the only ones who have the right to defend themselves are your precious "chosen ones".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#19)

Is there something wrong with of individuals or nations defending themselves from murderous lunatics who believes heaven awaits them...for perpetrating evil? Murdering children? Raping them?

Huh? Speak English much?

Are you talking about how the US raped and tortured women and children in Iraq?

Or perhaps you're talking about John McCain's beloved "Syrian rebels" AKA ISIS/ISIL?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#16)

So thank God for Hitler and Nazis...

So I guess you fully support the US position on Ukraine, where it overthrew the elected government and replaced it with Nazis, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FormerLurker (#14) (Edited)

Did you know that the Palestinians are most likely descended from the ACTUAL HEBREWS of the Bible?

I'm familiar with the Balfour Agreement story. And of course -- All the Arab people descended from the same tribes of people. Israeli Jews are their cousins.

I'm not sure what your beef is which a sliver of land allocated to Jews....

Sure, the PTB laughed back in 1948 when they made their token offer to create Israel, expecting it to be overrun and destroyed by the Arabs in days. Five armies attacked Israel. The Joos got their hands on some German planes, flown by WWII American fighter pilots (Joos of course.) Really interesting and unlikely story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi5L49cG4_4

The Muzzie forces failed. Joos got to keep their tiny sliver of arid land. And have kept on defending it ever since.

Meanwhile, the Muzzie nations and brothers in large adjacent lands refused to taken in their Pali brethen, killing then banishing them into the desert. Sad way to treat their Muslim Brother...Hood.

But what of Arafat declining a concession by Israeli to carve out a piece of land for themselves for the "Palestinian" people? Truth is, sadly, the Palestinian people (really just another Arab tribe) has been nothing but political pawns. The millions of Muslims are trying to shame an Israel that made its own desert green as its neighbors...has FAILED.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   18:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#22)

What it comes down to "Liberator" is that you are blind to acts of violence of ANYONE unless they are a "Muzzie".

But tell me -- WHY is it they most of us are NOT blind to Islam's insistence that everyone convert OR die by the sword? Don't you find that odd, Abdul? Why must they be the ONLY members of the world communitah who happen to be MURDERING people on six continents? In the name of "Allah"?? WHY are they...a satanic Death Cult?

You see them under your bed, in your dreams, and are phobic of anyone who has an Arabic name or dark skin.

Must be because they are a "Religion of Peace," eh? HA! "Dark skin"? How many Race-Cards are getting ready to pull? Hilarious.

In a clear case of Good vs. Evil, Sane vs. Insane, my "precious Joos" win easily.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   18:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Liberator (#25)

What it comes down to is that world events have been engineered and steered in a direction that a handful of people have decided a century or more ago.

We are ALL pawns in the game.

War, based upon ignorance and hatred has been sown, where peace and cooperation would have been the easier and more natural path to follow.

It is all about greed and thirst for power.

AND, the possibility is QUITE high that those people who who THINK they are in control of it all, are actually themselves being controlled by TRUE evil, and those entities which feed off it.

What other reason can explain the horrendous atrocities perpetrated by mankind over the past several millenia?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#23)

Perhaps you're talking about John McCain's beloved "Syrian rebels" AKA ISIS/ISIL?

McCain's?? Chyeah, right. ISIS/ISIL -- come on -- say it: "Islamic....Terror....Jihadist...NETWORK." (They would be your beloved "slightly radical" Muslims, huh?)

hAllahu hAkbar!!

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   18:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#27)

What it comes down to is that world events have been engineered and steered in a direction that a handful of people have decided a century or more ago.

We are ALL pawns in the game.

On that I can agree.

War, based upon ignorance and hatred has been sown, where peace and cooperation would have been the easier and more natural path to follow.

It is all about greed and thirst for power.

And that as well.

AND, the possibility is QUITE high that those people who who THINK they are in control of it all, are actually themselves being controlled by TRUE evil, and those entities which feed off it.

What other reason can explain the horrendous atrocities perpetrated by mankind over the past several millenia?

Well, this'll sound trite, but the reason appears obvious that we are all involved in a spiritual war most of all. Individually and spiritually. We are subject to our vices, whims, temptations and prejudices. And manipulations thereof.

The Elites subvert the truth, so we must examine closely and read between the line of events and narratives. These Elites are comprised of Jews, Muslims, Irish, American, Italian, etal. Their allegiance is not national, but to themselves as King-wannabees. They believe they are entitled to be World Royalty, that they are their own demigods, yet they worship at the altar of satan. They need and allow chaos and war in the world because IT lets THEM control US.

It does all come down to lust for power and greed. And control over the little people, who are expendable pawns. As long as I know that, what happens is out of our individual control. If we take the bait, we risk losing our souls -- something the Elites can NOT take away from us. Unless we let them.

Peace out, bro.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   18:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FormerLurker (#22)

Yeah, there's always shit you can sling around when you want to damage any given group, be it Muslim or anyone else. It's easy to lose any sense of proportion.

Historically speaking, Christianity was spread "by the sword" no less vigorously than was Islam. Geostrategically, people acceded to Islam in the areas adjacent to Arabia in some measure out of spite of being ruled afar by the Eastern Empire or "Rum" as they called it. Egypt for example got better terms and folks could keep their own religions, which they could not do in Christian ruled areas. Where in Europe would you have been allowed to practice any religion other than Trinitarian, apostolic Christianity let alone have license to be Muslim?

History is long, and all of our ancestors have sins that are visited upon each of us whosoever those ancestors might be. But if you measure Christian Europe against the Muslim world and tote up who has skewered the most of their fellow men, I believe Europe comes out on top as the most successful impaler. That's how Europeans got to be the global "victors."

Got no special brief for Islam, by the way. Lived over there for a while and never caught the bug for the "most beautiful sound in the world" - the adhan. I'm glad I don't wake up in the morning to that noise, and I don't hope to live anywhere I'm subjected to it or any other practices I haven't grown up with. I do like to practice proportionality when examining history though, and I find that the Muslims or Arabs are no worse killers than any one else.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-21   18:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator (#26)

WHY is it they most of us are NOT blind to Islam's insistence that everyone convert OR die by the sword?

Are you uneducated to the point you are unaware that for a period of at least a thousand years, CHRISTIANS insisted everyone convert to Christianity, and that those who refused suffered horrible deaths by torture for the crime of "heresy"?

ANY religion which forces itself upon people, inflicts human suffering, and is intolerant of other beliefs is a false religion, and to those who are offended by those words, oh well...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#30)

History is long, and all of our ancestors have sins that are visited upon each of us whosoever those ancestors might be. But if you measure Christian Europe against the Muslim world and tote up who has skewered the most of their fellow men, I believe Europe comes out on top as the most successful impaler. That's how Europeans got to be the global "victors."

Exactly. An understanding of such history is necessary to put current events into perspective.

Thing is, MOST people these days or in days gone by are unaware of such things, either out of sheer ignorance, or deliberate denial of reported facts.

I have no special like of Islam either, but I am tolerant of those who follow it, as long as they are not of the "convert or die" brand, just as I'm tolerant of "christians" as long as they are not trying to beat me over the head with their "evangelism"..


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#28)

McCain's?? Chyeah, right. ISIS/ISIL -- come on -- say it: "

Who is Simon Elliot?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   18:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#30)

Historically speaking, Christianity was spread "by the sword" no less vigorously than was Islam.

True for a period of time. But NOT for 1400 years STRAIGHT. Til tis very day. Nor is conversion "by the sword" Biblial or Christ-tian as has been Islam.

IF and WHEN it was, it was exploited by charletans, and in NO way shape or form represented TRUE Christianity OR instructed the scripture. (Now look at the Loran.) MANY Popes were indeed in on the charade. These satanic individuals used the name of Jesus Christian to perpetrate evil.

Jesus Christ: taught love. Virtue, Selflessness. Forgiveness. Salvation.

Mohammad: Umm...The opposite of the above.

History is long, and all of our ancestors have sins that are visited upon each of us whosoever those ancestors might be. But if you measure Christian Europe against the Muslim world and tote up who has skewered the most of their fellow men, I believe Europe comes out on top as the most successful impaler.

'History" is a matter of recording it; If you're even able to keep those stats, Christian Europe trumps Islam only because the Muslim bean counters' heads were severed and the Imams dumped their computers in the Arabian Sea because they ran out of RAM.

The bottom line:

True Christianity won out and created the world's most advanced, creative, expressive civilization. More importantly, true Christianity teaches peace and love, independence, fellowship...and the Gospel.

On the other side of the ledger we have a retrograde 1400 year long Death Cult steeped in blood. It teaches hate, violence, death, bondage,and dominance. Contribution to peace and humanity: - 1,000,000,000,000,000

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   18:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#25)

Sure, the PTB laughed back in 1948 when they made their token offer to create Israel, expecting it to be overrun and destroyed by the Arabs in days. Five armies attacked Israel. The Joos got their hands on some German planes, flown by WWII American fighter pilots (Joos of course.) Really interesting and unlikely story:

A romanticized account of how Israel came to be.

Prior to 1948, radical groups of Jews committed acts of terror against the Palestinian people, forcing them to flee their homes and their land.

One such group was named Irgun.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   19:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#33)

Simon Elliot??

Believe it or not, some Jews hate themselves AND Israel. Is it possible a Jew is involved? I can believe it. Especially if Stain is at the table.

But how and why should I believe this is what it infers it to be? HOW do we know this isn't more Alphabet Agy misdirection and propaganda? Or maybe the PTB is running another black op? Maybe it IS just another...Islamic Network. Moreover, why would Stain allow himself to be used so openly?

(Just sayin'....cuz it makes no sense.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   19:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#34)

IF and WHEN it was, it was exploited by charletans, and in NO way shape or form represented TRUE Christianity OR instructed the scripture. (Now look at the Loran.) MANY Popes were indeed in on the charade. These satanic individuals used the name of Jesus Christian to perpetrate evil.

The seat of Christianity is the Roman Catholic Church. It is THEY who controlled the matters of European kingdoms, and who controlled what exactly WAS Christianity from the onset.

It is ALSO they who began the Inquisitions, and the Church of England ALSO had their hands in the commission of evil when they performed their "witch hunts" here and in Europe.

To me, the fruit of a poisoned tree is itself poison.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   19:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#36)

(Just sayin'....cuz it makes no sense.)

I think we're just about at a point where a US official such as McCain could be seen decapitating a journalist on video, and it would either go unnoticed in the US media, or would be passed off as "it just can't be true, so it isn't".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-21   19:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#35)

Doesn't surpise me, but then again, this world has always been about tribes and clans fighting for and winning their own land.

The Jews fought for a tiny piece of pie, they won it. Ok, so they fought dirty. No different situation than that of clans or tribes doing the same in other lands on planet earth.

When the UN sanctioned Israel, it was Game Over. Btw, ALL those ME nations are comprised of manmade borders. Muslims got by far the lion's share.

A romanticized account of how Israel came to be.

If you get the chance to watch it, it actually is quite a romanic account that defied all odds. Almost as though...there was Providential assistance. Worthy story of the ultimate underdog. I know you won't see it that way, but...

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   19:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#38)

I think we're just about at a point where a US official such as McCain could be seen decapitating a journalist on video, and it would either go unnoticed in the US media, or would be passed off as "it just can't be true, so it isn't".

Sadly, and maddenly...true. 0dinga could do it during a SOTU and get away with it. Who we gonna believe? Our own eyes or Brian Williams?

Never imagined we'd see Stain over there, casually posing with ISIS/ISIL...and NOT immediately or even eventually be called out on the carpet for participating in a photo-op and meeting that really was quite scandalous. I mean we've got guys stil dying over in that region. It's almost...Jane Fonda-like. Or Kerry-like (ironically.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-21   19:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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