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Title: Israeli State Terror the Root Cause of Palestinian Blowback
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Published: Jan 21, 2015
Author: Stephen Lendman
Post Date: 2015-01-21 11:50:35 by Stephen Lendman
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Israeli State Terror the Root Cause of Palestinian Blowback

by Stephen Lendman

Israeli state terror is longstanding. Palestinians are ruthlessly persecuted. Terrorized for praying to the wrong God.

Assaulted, beaten, arrested, imprisoned, tortured and murdered in cold blood. For daring to resist Israeli barbarism. Demanding fundamental rights everyone deserves.

Violence begets more of it. The latest incident won't be the last. Automatically called "terrorism."

Israeli media accounts didn't surprise. Omitting what most needs explaining.

YNet News headlined "12 stabbed in terror attack on Tel Aviv bus." A same day headline read "Netanyahu: Paris, Brussels, Tel Aviv - all victims of same terror."

The Jerusalem Post headlined "Terror attack in Tel Aviv: Palestinian seriously wounds 4 in stabbing rampage on bus."

An accompanying article headlined "Tel Aviv terrorist says he was motivated by Operation Protective Edge."

The closest Israeli media come to explaining blowback. Short of condemning decades of Israeli state- sponsored terror. What most needs highlighting.

The Times of Israel headlined "Palestinian stabs Tel Aviv commuters in terror attack." A second article said Netanyahu blames Palestinian leadership. More on this below.

A third article said "Terrorist says he carried out attack over Gaza war, Temple Mount." Again, the closest Israeli media come to explaining what's most important.

Haaretz headlined "12 Israelis wounded in stabbing attack on Tel Aviv bus." At least it didn't headline terrorism.

It let Israeli police foreign press spokesman Micky Rosenfeld claim  a "terror attack."

A police statement said "(t)he terrorist stabbed the bus driver several times but (he) fought back until (the assailant) fled on foot and was neutralized by a guard from the prison service."

Hamas called the incident a "natural reaction" by victims of occupation harshness.

Deputy Hamas political bureau head Mousa Abu Marzouq said "there is no bigger terrorism than occupying people, stealing their lands, freedom and dignity."

Deputy Palestinian Legislation Council (PLC) head Ahmad Bahr called the incident "self-defense."

Adding Palestinian Authority (PA) "negotiations" are a waste of time. Giving Israel more time to "Judaize" East Jerusalem. Expand West Bank settlements.

He called on PA leaders to abandon diplomacy. Resort to resistance, he urged.

Popular Resistance Committees called the incident a "natural reaction to all Israeli crimes against Palestinians, their lands and religious sites."

"Resistance attacks will not stop," they added. Urged a "complete intifada" inside Israel.

Netanyahu's statement didn't surprise. Absolving Israel of any wrongdoing. Turning truth on its head irresponsibly.

Calling the Tel Aviv attack "the direct result of the poisonous incitement being disseminated by the Palestinian Authority against the Jews and their state."

"This same terrorism is trying to attack us in Paris, Brussels and everywhere. It is Hamas - Abu Mazen’s (Abbas) partners in a unity government - that hastened to commend this attack."

"This is the same Hamas that announced it will sue Israel at the International Criminal Court in the Hague."

"Abu Mazen is responsible for both the incitement and the dangerous move at the ICC in the Hague."

"I just spoke with the head of the Israel Prison Service Nahshon unit, Menashe Ganish, and I praised the determined action by the unit’s fighters, who saved many lives and prevented a worse attack."

"We will continue to take strong action against the terrorism that has been trying to attack us since the founding of the state, and we will see to it that it does not achieve its goal."

Ultranationalist defrocked/reinstated Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called the incident part "of the same branch whose aim is to destroy the Jewish state."

The assailant was identified as 23-year-old Tulkarem resident Hamza Mohammed Hasan Matrouk.

Haaretz said he "was taken to the hospital for treatment (of a gunshot wound to his leg) and further police and Shin Bet questioning."

Palestinian sources said he's not affiliated with any organization or political faction. He targeted Bus number 40 on Menachem Begin Road.

A major Tel Aviv thoroughfare near the Ma'ariv bridge. Haaretz explained what happened as follows:

"According to a preliminary investigation, the assailant got to Tel Aviv on Wednesday morning and boarded the bus at the Old Central Bus Station, a short distance from the scene of the attack."

"After the bus passed two stops and more passengers got on, the attacker took out a knife and started stabbing people."

"Given that the perpetrator bought the knife in the West Bank, he will be brought before a military court in Ariel."

"As he is still in hospital with the wound to his leg, he wasn't taken to court on Wednesday. His detention will be extended by 96 hours."

Lone wolf Palestinian retaliatory attacks followed Operation Protective Edge. Israeli state terror.

Cold, calculated, premeditated aggression. Murdering over 2,200 Palestinians. Injuring another 11,000.

Many maimed for life. Thousands of Gazan children survivors traumatized. Many lost both parents.

Dozens of Palestinian families were slaughtered entirely. Around 80% of Gazan casualties were noncombatant men, women, children, infants and the disabled.

Israel considers them legitimated targets. In gross violation of fundamental international law.

Palestinians are automatically called terrorists. In violent incidents involving them and Jews.

Even when Israeli security forces initiate attacks. Israel calls state terrorism self-defense. Legitimate Palestinian resistance is called terrorism.

Maan News spoke with Hamza's friends. One said the night before the incident they both "hung out with friends…until 11pm and we had fun."

Hamza "was laughing and kidding, and I know very well that he isn't affiliated (with) any faction."

Since September, Palestinians killed seven Israelis. Six civilians. One soldier.

During the same timeframe, Israelis killed 32 Palestinians. Including a 13-year-old child. Israeli security forces murdered three Palestinians in the last week alone.

One attending the funeral of another Palestinian Israel killed during a Negev house raid. All were unarmed threatening no one.

In the past 10 days, five Gazans died of exposure. Including four infants. Operation Protective Edge victims. They won't be the last ones.

Israeli aggression destroyed or damaged over 100,000 homes. Many Gazans have inadequate shelter. Unable to protect themselves from cold, wind and heavy rain.

West Bank and East Jerusalem Palestinians live in fear. Multiple daily security force incursions target their communities.

On January 21 alone, Israeli soldiers kidnapped 18 Palestinian Nablus and Hebron residents. Many others were injured near Jenin.

Reports said clashes occurred after soldiers raided many homes pre-dawn. Ransacked them. Terrorized family members. Arrested innocent victims.

Palestinians endure this type abuse daily. State terrorism by any standard. Treating victimized Paalestinian men, women and children the way Hitler treated Jews.

Surprisingly Palestinian blowback doesn't happen more often. Abused people take so much before reacting.

Violence begets more of it. Expect lots more ahead. Israel bears full responsibility. Rogue states operate this way.

A Final Comment

On January 21, US House Speaker John Boehner invited Netanyahu to address a February 11 joint congressional session. Boehner disgraced himself saying:

"Prime Minister Netanyahu is a great friend of our country, and this invitation carries with it our unwavering commitment to the security and well-being of his people."

"In this time of challenge, I am asking the Prime Minister to address Congress on the grave threats radical Islam and Iran pose to our security and way of life."  

"Americans and Israelis have always stood together in shared cause and common ideals, and now we must rise to the moment again."

Netanyahu addressed Congress twice before. In 1996 and 2011. Each time an exercise in duplicity and Big Lies. Expect nothing different this time.

Islam and Iran pose no threats whatever. Or other US/Israeli targeted nations, groups or individuals.

American and Israeli state terror threaten humanity's survival.

Don't expect Boehner or Netanyahu to explain. Partners in high crimes against peace.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

His new book as editor and contributor is titled "Flashpoint in Ukraine: US Drive for Hegemony Risks WW III."

http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanIII.html

Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com.

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#62. To: Liberator, Deasy (#47)

Buddha doesn't teach Salvation. Never did.

What is Salvation, in your mind? Sitting on a cloud eating caviar with a bunch of hot chicks?

Buddhism is a path to Enlightenment, the joining of one's soul with the Divine, ie. becoming one with All that is.

You can believe what you want. In the end, you'll find out if you've been right all along, or not.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   10:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Lod (#58)

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

Whereas the word hell is not found in our Bible.

Which bible??. The word hell is a familiar Anglo-Saxon expression the translators of the verse above have employed to render the Koranic gehinnom which you will also find in Chronicles, Jeremiah and the Gospels.

Gehinnom is Arabic/Hebrew. Ge-enna is our Greek New Testament

"Hell" is KJV (& Luther).

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-22   10:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Lod (#61)

You're right about the descriptors of poor places to spend eternity; but the best explanation of hell that I've heard was that it is the eternal separation from the love of God.

Yeah, I think there are two components to "hell." As you allude to, the despair of knowing seperation from God and His love and glory for all eternity. Secondly, a torment (be it physical or mental.) Imagine the anguish of realizing one has blown their chance at the Ultimate Party forever. As they stand alone. Forever. That despair would indeed be searing.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   10:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: randge, Liberator, 4 (#63)

the ancient norse take - from wiki -

In Norse mythology, Hel, the location, shares a name with Hel, a female figure associated with the location. In late Icelandic sources, varying descriptions of Hel are given and various figures are described as being buried with items that will facilitate their journey to Hel after their death. In the Poetic Edda, Brynhildr's trip to Hel after her death is described and Odin, while alive, also visits Hel upon his horse Sleipnir. In Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda, Baldr goes to Hel upon death and subsequently Hermóðr uses Sleipnir to attempt to retrieve him. "Hel-shoes" are described in Gísla saga.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-22   10:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#62)

What is Salvation, in your mind? Sitting on a cloud eating caviar with a bunch of hot chicks?

Salvation, as in the Gospel's message. I assume you're familiar with it? Lol @ "Sitting on a cloud eating caviar with a bunch of hot chicks." Been there, done that.......(almost.) Meh. It wuz ok ;-)

Buddhism is a path to Enlightenment, the joining of one's soul with the Divine, ie. becoming one with All that is.

Is "enlightenment" just an illusion? Isn't that what the Serpent promised Eve? What good is "enlightenment" without the peace, love, and glory with God the Father forever and ever?

WHO is "The Divine"? WHICH "God"?

You can believe what you want. In the end, you'll find out if you've been right all along, or not.

Becoming "One" with "All"? Better be extremely careful about who you become "One" with. "All" could well be satan and his demons. Deception is his calling card. You have only one insurance policy for your soul.

Back to "Salvation" and where it potentially leads us once we are humbled and accept Jesus Christ as our... Savior for our sins:

Revelation 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Revelation 22:1-5 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator (#47)

Christianity is THE engine that built Western Civ

The Romans and the Greeks were not Christian when they built their cities.

Neither were the Egyptians nor the Sumerians.

All of the above were responsible for a myraid number of advances and achievements in mathematics, science, astronomy, agriculture, geometry, architecture, art, and other such things.

If anything, the Church of the Middle Ages surpressed scientific advances, hence the label the "Dark Ages" as much knowledge was lost or destroyed, scientific facts were called "witchcraft", and people were burned at the stake for it.

People such as Galieo and Copernicous were persecuted, their writings banned. So western civilization advanced DESPITE Christianity, not because of it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Lod (#65)

Interesting...Norse?

Not to be confuse with "Hades" either.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#49)

I don't either. Don't take it personally but you're too impatient, closed-minded, and not a critical thinker.

LMAO

OK

I'll assure you that my critical thinking skills put yours to open shame. I've been lauded in journalism for mine, by people with journalism credentials.

You think what you want to of yourself, but to outsiders it's clear that you're an establishment tool. A drone and poster-boy for one of the reasons why oppression in our culture and society works with the blessings of those that it oppresses, who then later on scratch their little noggins and mindlessly repeat things like "never again."

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-22   11:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator (#66)

Is "enlightenment" just an illusion?

Enlightenment is reaching God. Pentacostals get all wild and go into convulsions, THINKING they are "filled with the Holy Spirit", babbling gibberish while "speaking in tongues". If anything, they're probably demonically possessed.

Enlightenment is being filled with the ACTUAL Spirit of God, feeling peace, love, and harmony with all of Creation.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#49)

BTW, are you going to answer those two questions?

I'm guessing that you're afraid to answer the truthfully or come to the knowledge of the truth in your self-proclaimed critical thinking regimen.

Either way, refusing to address them are not good traits of critical thinking. Quite the opposite in fact.

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-22   11:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#66)

Sorry, but I don't base my understanding of the Universe upon poisoned fruit.

MEN wrote what you quote, not any god. In fact, it may have been demonically inspired writings, since the fruit of those writings is the belief that all one needs to do is believe in them and they will be "saved", no matter what evil they commit.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: randge, Lod (#63)

Yes, it seem "Gehenna" and "Hell" are basically interchangable depending on which version of the Bible is used. In both cases, it's used fairly often.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Liberator (#66)

WHO is "The Divine"? WHICH "God"?

There is only ONE God. You may think he walks around in sandals. I don't.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Katniss (#71)

RESPECT

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-22   11:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#70)

Those who are filled with both venom and scripture - them I give a wide berth.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-22   11:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: FormerLurker (#72)

Sorry, but I don't base my understanding of the Universe upon poisoned fruit.

I'm sorry you're rejecting the word of God and message of Gospel. Your faith and soul is your own responsibility. A hardened heart is not a blessing. I'll pray that is softens and allows the Lord to reveal Himself to you. But you must ask Him in.

Scripture and prophecies -- yes from Jews, that's who God used in this case -- is the inspired word of God through man. I realize you and many others would prefer that The Almighty would just show up to your front door and make things easy for you.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#77)

I'm sorry you're rejecting the word of God

I reject those who TELL me what the "word of God is", where they have no clue on earth about what they are talking about, since God never wrote a book.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: randge (#76)

Those who are filled with both venom and scripture - them I give a wide berth.

You forgot to ping me.

I see a lot of "Venom" here -- yes I am guilty as well, but then so are you. More evidence that we all need a Savior because we are ALL sinners.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker (#78)

O-kee-doke. As you were.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: FormerLurker (#70)

Enlightenment is being filled with the ACTUAL Spirit of God, feeling peace, love, and harmony with all of Creation.

It's a nice, warm and fuzzy thought -- but according to WHOM??

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Deasy, HungerGamesWhatshername (#75)

Vultures of a Feather.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Liberator (#79)

I see a lot of "Venom" here -- yes I am guilty as well, but then so are you.

I am??

News to me.

I bear neither venom nor fake Christian love for my enemies.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-22   11:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: randge (#83)

Yeah. It's called "passive-aggressive." You just needed a proper target I guess.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#59)

Really?? One huge Arab-Muslim state "similar to America with equal rights"??

You're talking about Muslims, right? The same Sunnis and Shia who've been murdering each other for nearly 1400 years. The same Muslims who cover their women from head to toe and treat them worse than their camels?

Good points.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-01-22   11:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FormerLurker (#74)

There is only ONE God. You may think he walks around in sandals. I don't.

Not any more anyway...

When He returns, somehow His footwear will be a tiny footnote.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator (#81)

It's a nice, warm and fuzzy thought -- but according to WHOM??

Not some Roman author who wrote the words you believe to be from heaven itself.

WHY exactly do YOU believe the writings of dubious origin? What evidence do you have that they have any validity at all?

You don't, as there IS none. It's ALL about having faith in those who handed you those writings over the past several millennia. You can believe them if you wish, but please don't criticize those who wouldn't bet their eternal lives upon it..


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#81)

You can tell you're on the right Path when you feel kinship with all living Creatures, and wish harm against none of them.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-22   11:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: James Deffenbach (#85)

Thanks...

Islam keeps on reinforcing this bloody intra-faith tribal battle amongst itself. Given their differences (below), and their refusal to ever compromise in the name of peace, it's not surprising.

No way could a "Muslim Nation" ever pull of what the USA has. Taking into account the US was primarily a Christian nation that accepted other faiths and creeds, America is especially exceptional and tolerant.

Here's a brief difference is Sunni vs. Shia:

Sunnis believe that Abu Bakr, the father of Muhammad's wife Aisha, was Muhammad's rightful successor and that the method of choosing or electing leaders (Shura) endorsed by the Quran is the consensus of the Ummah (the Muslim community).

Shias believe that Muhammad divinely ordained his cousin and son-in-law Ali Ibn Abi Talib (the father of his grandsons Hasan ibn Ali and Hussein ibn Ali) in accordance with the command of God to be the next caliph, making Ali and his direct descendants Muhammad's successors. Shias believe that Muhammad quoted this, in Hadith of the pond of Khumm. Ali was married to Fatimah, Muhammad's daughter by his wife Khadijah bint Khuwaylid.

(source: wiki)

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: FormerLurker (#87)

WHY exactly do YOU believe the writings of dubious origin?

I don't consider the sources of Scripture "dubious" at all.

What evidence do you have that they have any validity at all?

The Old Testament? New Testament? Certain chapters? Or the entire Bible?

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FormerLurker (#87) (Edited)

It's ALL about having faith in those who handed you those writings over the past several millennia.

Well, sure. ALL history that's NOT videotaped or lacks eyewitnesses requires "faith." Why should we believe any "ancient" history at all? Because CNN and Geraldo weren't at the scene?

Hundreds of witnesses that saw Jesus walk this earth...AFTER He "died." The Gospel is written by FOUR Apostles. Jesus refers to the Old Testament often.

Now if your going to deny the deity of Jesus Christ and His acts (as per witnesses), this conversation really won't go anywhere, will it?

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   11:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FormerLurker (#88)

You can tell you're on the right Path when you feel kinship with all living Creatures, and wish harm against none of them.

It's certainly part of the "path."

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   12:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Liberator (#84)

You just needed a proper target I guess.

You are not in my gunsights, no.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-01-22   12:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: randge (#93)

Call as I see it.

P.S. -- "Shame" is in the eye of the beholder.

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-22   12:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator, 4 (#92)

It's a journey for sure, and the sooner we realize that we can't know when our path here will end, the sooner we can be respectful of everything and everyone that we encounter on our lives' pathway.

It costs me nothing, and gains me much, to treat all God's critters with kindness.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-01-22   12:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Lod (#95)

It costs me nothing, and gains me much, to treat all God's critters with kindness.

Amen !

"Honest, April 15th is April Fools Day".

noone222  posted on  2015-01-22   13:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Liberator (#59) (Edited)

From my edited Post #48 as highlighted here: Arabs fought with the British to free Palestine from the Ottoman Empire in WWI and they won it, then they were betrayed by it being largely partitioned in favor of Jews rather than becoming the one nation they expected it would be, similar to the American ideal with equal rights for all.

Your reply at Post #50: Ooo-kay. Enjoy the narrative you need to embrace.

My reply at Post #53: It's not a selective narrative. It's the actual and verifiable history.

Your response at Post #59, in a reply to your own Post #50 instead of mine at #53, noted above, where I had already addressed the issue:

Really?? One huge Arab-Muslim state "similar to America with equal rights"??

You're talking about Muslims, right? The same Sunnis and Shia who've been murdering each other for nearly 1400 years. The same Muslims who cover their women from head to toe and treat them worse than their camels?

As to the rest of the narrative, there's a bit of truth to it, but still NOT THE truth of the matter.

Your post has gone off topic, which wasn't about womens' issues of dress or unequal treatment in Islam as compared to other religions like Judaism and Christianity, nor was the topic religous in-fighting wars, which Jews also have a very long history of and Christians, too - Ex. the wars between Protestants and Catholics. The issue was Palestine and its actual, verifiable WWI history. Calling that a false narrative doesn't make it so. It just makes you appear as irrationally biased and not receptive to the truth of the matter.

Edited the quote section and puctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-22   13:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#56) (Edited)

Problem is, there are so many more to choose from from the "Religion of Peace." No other religion on earth commands its "flock" to murder others in the name of it's "god" but Islam. It's verses and tenets are chrytal clear in WORD as well as DEED:

I can only guess from your post that you have never read the Old Testament in its entirety or the New Testament either. Again, you have gone off topic, which was forced conversion or not and wasn't a "Religion of Peace" contest, which Judaism isn't the image of scripturally. Quite the opposite in its many chronicaled slaughters without so much as an invite to convert instead.

Your first out-of-context postings were about situations of persecution. The Bible has many examples, too, of being rewarded for nartyrdom of faith and punishments of unbelievers. I could quote examples like that all day long so don't preach to me like you're Hagee's stand-in. I don't even listen to him on TV.

Edited spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-01-22   14:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Lod (#61)

but the best explanation of hell that I've heard was that it is the eternal separation from the love of God.

Interesting lod, that's exactly the Catholic teaching on hell, too.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-01-22   14:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#47)

Christianity is THE engine that built Western Civ. As well as America. What's destroyed America is...secular humanism and rabid atheism. And tolerance of Death Cults, fake "diversity," and stupidity.

Amen to that. I can see you're a Christian. But can I ask what of what persuation?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-01-22   14:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Liberator, All (#77)

I'm sorry you're rejecting the word of God and message of Gospel. Your faith and soul is your own responsibility. A hardened heart is not a blessing. I'll pray that is softens and allows the Lord to reveal Himself to you. But you must ask Him in.

Scripture and prophecies -- yes from Jews, that's who God used in this case -- is the inspired word of God through man. I realize you and many others would prefer that The Almighty would just show up to your front door and make things easy for you.

For someone that talks about and chides others for "rejecting the word of God and message of Gospel," you sure have some reconciling to do between the teachings of Christ and your socio-political takes.

To start, Jesus said love your enemy and pray for him, you support the notion of blowing them to bits and can't even prove a real enemy other than a difference in moral values. Still, I see nowhere in the New Testament and words of Paul, any of the disciples, much less Christ himself any instruction to support the physical annihilation of such peoples.

So if you have a minute, I'm sure everyone would love for you to step down off that horse and elaborate some more as to how you reconcile all that, specifically.

Frankly there is no reconciliation of it, I'm just curious what Christ-oriented response is going to come out of you in response.

Katniss  posted on  2015-01-22   14:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Liberator (#91)

Well, sure. ALL history that's NOT videotaped or lacks eyewitnesses requires "faith." Why should we believe any "ancient" history at all? Because CNN and Geraldo weren't at the scene?

Hundreds of witnesses that saw Jesus walk this earth...AFTER He "died." The Gospel is written by FOUR Apostles. Jesus refers to the Old Testament often.

Even Thomas believed when Jesus gave him irrefutable proof. "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-01-22   16:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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