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Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Ominous Tweet From Matt Drudge About Obama: “Like He Knows Something Terrible Coming… Very Unsettling”

www.shtfplan.com/headline...-very-unsettling_02102015

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-02-19   18:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#1)

Thanks, I heard of this and couldn't find it.

I agree, btw. He looks like a heroin addict.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-19   18:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

He's deranged , delusional and acting like it.

"I'm a Muslim, my father is from Kenya".

"I'm a Jew, my mother is Jewish".

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-02-19   18:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

von Mises letter to Ayn Rand...

Rand made statement that the masses were mere lice with barely a right to live....

"""You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.[6] —Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand....

“”The liberal champions of equality under the law were fully aware of the fact that men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization. Equality under the law was in their opinion not designed to correct the inexorable facts of the universe and to make natural inequality disappear.[7]

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-19   19:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Ayn Rand

It just occurred to me he probably named his son after her.

Duh...

BTW, for a mere $500 dollar contribution you can become a VIP member of Ron's new group, Freedom or Death, I'll take a Check.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-19   19:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#5)

Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.

That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.

Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-19   19:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

As an MD, Ron would have been a Major or Captain in whatever branch he was enlisted in at that time.

No grunthood for an MD.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-19   20:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#7)

Enlisted are grunts.

Officers are commissioned, Ron volunteered for the Air Force commission to avoid being a grunt in the Army.

I have yet to see if he had deferments for college but assume he did.

It is dishonest for him to say he was drafted, that never happened. I volunteered to avoid the draft, he did the same.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-19   20:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

Yes, y'all chose the least bitter poison at the time.

Thank God you both survived it all.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-19   21:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

I volunteered to avoid the draft, he did the same.

Me too.

"Honest, April 15th is April Fools Day".

noone222  posted on  2015-02-19   21:49:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#8)

I have yet to see if he had deferments for college but assume he did.

At one time there were deferments for college, marriage, then one child, and then two children; if I recall correctly.

Don't quote me.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-19   21:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222, Lod (#10)

Me too.

I was on my second tour in Far East when FBI came knocking, said I was a draft dodger.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-19   21:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)

olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.

That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.

Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

He didn't lie about that. He was being drafted into the Army and joined the Air Force because he wanted to and could meet their entrance requirements, just the same as many draftees (college credentialed or not) joined other branches instead going into the Army. I'm sure you must know that draftees of that period voluntarily joining another branch instead of serving in the Army was nothing scornfully unusual or we likely would have had largely downsized -- maybe near non-existent -- Air Force, Navy and Marine branches during the Viet Nam War but the Army would have been much more massive.

Ron Paul was already a doctor at the time his Draft number was selected. He didn't choose to dodge the Draft, as others did, so it was assured that he would be a wartime Serviceman. It was just a matter of which of the Armed Forces he served in more than what his rank and duties were apt to be. Chances were slim to none that choosing Army service then instead of Air Force service (or any other branch) would have just meant grunthood Private rank for him there or combat duty as an Infantry Medic. Most certainly, he would have served in the Army with officer status in much the same capacity as he did in the Air Force. What joining the Air Force actually meant for Ron Paul (and probably any other draftee opting then to go into another branch of Service of their choice rather than choosing the Army, as the Military entry-level Draft Board standards did for them automatically) is that the stipulated time of Military Service would have to be longer -- 3 years instead of 2.

ronpaulforums.com: Was Ron Paul drafted when he was in the Air Force? - Comments

"Ron Paul says he received a draft notice telling him he could be drafted as a buck private, or volunteer and become a flight surgeon."

"Paul received his medical degree first, then got his draft notice from the army (to be inducted as a private), then decided to join the Air Force as a commissioned officer. FYI - you can't be drafted into the Air Force."

The Real Facts About Service in Vietnam

Some 2.2 million men were drafted during the Vietnam war, to serve for two years.

If you had a college education, and were drafted, your chances of ending up in the infantry (unless you volunteered for it) were very low. The army always had lots of technical and administrative jobs for educated draftees. If you wanted to absolutely perhaps avoid the chance of [ground or water] combat in Vietnam, you could [maybe] enlist in the air force. This meant you would have to serve three years. There was a slight chance you might get a job as a crewman aboard a B-52 bomber (of which a few some were shot down) or in an air force security unit pulling guard duty in a Vietnam air base (there were some more casualties here.) Military pilots took a lot of casualties, but they were nearly all officers, and volunteers. But, generally, a college grad had little to fear from the military in the 1960s unless they volunteered for combat.

Numerical edit + added additional strikeout/replacement wordings and another bracketed insert, last paragraph at sentence 3.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-20   0:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Go to 1:15.

Go to 20:41 for a good WWII story near the ending -- with some musical notes included -- about a German sniper and a trumpet-playing American pilot, Capt. Jack Tueller.

Going into battle armed with a trumpet - CNN, 11/06/09

"I thought to myself [...]. How can I stop him from firing? So [...] I wailed that trumpet over those apple orchards of Normandy, and he didn't fire."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-20   1:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)

He didn't lie about that.

Grey...

He does lie...

Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.

The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.

Been there did that.

Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   8:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod, 4 (#11)

At one time there were deferments for college, marriage, then one child, and then two children; if I recall correctly.

Jewish kids seemed to have a pipeline into the Coast Guard if all of the above failed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-20   8:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Jewish kids seemed to have a pipeline into the Coast Guard if all of the above failed.

Imagine that.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-20   9:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Olde Ron had to have "deferments" somewhere along the line, he just seems to forget about that.

I was never "drafted" even tho they came looking for me, while I was on my second tour overseas, in 1952.

Lots of things ole Ron "forgets" to mention. Such as he was a "terms limits" candidate, THAT STAYED 22 LONG YEARS, a "servant" that had nothing the first term, retired a multi millionaire, its all there for anyone to read.

Try becoming a multi millionaire on a congressmans salary, in 22 years. His draft info is fuzzy as is his financial report.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   9:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

Try becoming a multi millionaire on a congressmans salary, in 22 years. His draft info is fuzzy as is his financial report.

Ron has some fuzzy math going on, but don't let that stop you from making a hefty contribution to his latest revolution!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-20   10:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

Ron has some fuzzy math going on, but don't let that stop you from making a hefty contribution to his latest revolution!

If it quacks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, that dont mean its a honest to God duck.

It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   11:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

I'm waiting to see Ron's racket featured on an episode of American Greed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-20   12:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#15)

He does lie...

Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.

The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.

Been there did that.

Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-20   12:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too.

No...

The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

Ron lies.

Course ole Ron told a lot of lies. Even had 60 family members on his payroll during election time.

Shame on olde Ron.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   13:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23) (Edited)

The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

Ron lies.

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted. How long do you think he would have been a Private in the Army? All the way through Boot Camp? Even that 6 weeks wouldn't have been a big disadvantage. I'd guess more like around 5 minutes or so, maybe less, after being sworn in before he was promoted to Army Officer rank.

Edited sentence 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-20   13:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.

Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...

Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   15:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#23)

The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

I may be totally off base on this. If so, feel free to set me straight.

Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

It's the bankers fault !
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars
What America needs is the separation of zionism and state

Buzzard  posted on  2015-02-20   18:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom, 4 (#25)

Watch the video, I did.

Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...

Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

As usual Cyni, you huff and you puff, but you're still full of hot air...

From The Vietnam War, the Doctor Draft, and the NIH Associate Training Program

Physicians were needed to achieve these domestic goals but also to care for U.S. troops in Vietnam. Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   18:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom, GreyLmist (#15)

He does lie...

Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.

The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So Cyni, you are either truly confused and uninformed, or you are outright LYING. Did you think you'd get away with spewing nonsense and that nobody would check out the facts?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   18:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Buzzard (#26)

Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

Yep, they started the doctor draft in the 1950's. Hmmmm, I guess Cyni is just making things up as he goes.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   18:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Buzzard (#26)

Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

There is a quirk in the draft law.

Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.

He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.

Under current law medical people, in case of national emergency, are really in peril. The law allows the military to call from a current list, doctors, surgeons, nurses, NPs PAs and even paramedics.

All is based on specialty and age, doctors I believe are under the gun until age 60, the others at lesser ages.

The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.

The math is obvious, he did not want to be a grunt for two, he did five to avoid grunthood.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   20:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#6)

Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.

That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.

Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

So Cyni, are you going to retract your false claims and apologize for insinuating that Ron Paul was a somehow dodging hazardous service and is a liar, or are you going to let your comments stand, even though it's been proven that doctors WERE being drafted into the Army, Navy, and Air Force?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   20:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom, Buzzard (#30) (Edited)

Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.

He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.

Hey numbnuts, I just posted evidence that proves doctors WERE being drafted into the Air Force, so why do you continue to lie?

The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.

Another whopper of a lie. For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   20:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#30)

Oh and BTW, Ron Paul served in the Air Force as an active duty flight surgeon from 1963 to 1965, and was in the Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.

So perhaps he volunteered for additional duty in the ANG after his 2 year obligation in the Air Force was up.

Yeah, what a weasel, eh Cyni?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   20:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#32)

For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.

Olde Man is never wrong.

I'd say just ask him, but...you know how that goes. Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-20   21:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Fred Mertz (#34)

Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

OMG, I'm going to have to go sulk in the corner now. It's so hurtful.

LOL!!


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-20   21:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)

Olde Man is never wrong.

How right you are.

Snicker...

Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.

At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.

I was offered commission in the Army, for five years, while I was in Air Farce as a grunt. They were aghast that I and others demurred. Thanks but no thanks.

In, do four, out with no reserve time. Ole Ron was in inactive reserves for long time. Bum deal.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   21:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Fred Mertz (#34)

Fred...

I was on my second tour overseas with Air Force when I received my draft notice. Does that mean I was drafted and did not volunteer for Air Farce????

Guess I was duped? Right? The FBI and police had big guns when they came looking for me as a draft dodger. Where was I dodging the draft???? Korea...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   21:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#36)

Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.

At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.

Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-20   21:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Ole Ron does not say so but I suspect he had more than one deferments, wink wink.

He just neglects to mention that. Being of suspicious mind, I often wonder what else ole Ron seems to never mention.

For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire. Checking his election financial statements are interesting, of course who cares?

Ole Ron was drafted for two years, volunteered for five, what a man give his all for his country. Now I feel bad, only doing four during wartime. Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-20   22:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#39)

For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire.

His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-02-20   22:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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