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Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
von Mises letter to Ayn Rand...
Rand made statement that the masses were mere lice with barely a right to live....
"""You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.[6] —Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand....

“”The liberal champions of equality under the law were fully aware of the fact that men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization. Equality under the law was in their opinion not designed to correct the inexorable facts of the universe and to make natural inequality disappear.[7]

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:02:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Ayn Rand

It just occurred to me he probably named his son after her.
Duh...
BTW, for a mere $500 dollar contribution you can become a VIP member of Ron's new group, Freedom or Death, I'll take a Check.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-19 19:11:26 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#5)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:36:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)
olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

He didn't lie about that. He was being drafted into the Army and joined the Air Force because he wanted to and could meet their entrance requirements, just the same as many draftees (college credentialed or not) joined other branches instead going into the Army. I'm sure you must know that draftees of that period voluntarily joining another branch instead of serving in the Army was nothing scornfully unusual or we likely would have had largely downsized -- maybe near non-existent -- Air Force, Navy and Marine branches during the Viet Nam War but the Army would have been much more massive.
Ron Paul was already a doctor at the time his Draft number was selected. He didn't choose to dodge the Draft, as others did, so it was assured that he would be a wartime Serviceman. It was just a matter of which of the Armed Forces he served in more than what his rank and duties were apt to be. Chances were slim to none that choosing Army service then instead of Air Force service (or any other branch) would have just meant grunthood Private rank for him there or combat duty as an Infantry Medic. Most certainly, he would have served in the Army with officer status in much the same capacity as he did in the Air Force. What joining the Air Force actually meant for Ron Paul (and probably any other draftee opting then to go into another branch of Service of their choice rather than choosing the Army, as the Military entry-level Draft Board standards did for them automatically) is that the stipulated time of Military Service would have to be longer -- 3 years instead of 2.
ronpaulforums.com: Was Ron Paul drafted when he was in the Air Force? - Comments

"Ron Paul says he received a draft notice telling him he could be drafted as a buck private, or volunteer and become a flight surgeon."
"Paul received his medical degree first, then got his draft notice from the army (to be inducted as a private), then decided to join the Air Force as a commissioned officer. FYI - you can't be drafted into the Air Force."

The Real Facts About Service in Vietnam

Some 2.2 million men were drafted during the Vietnam war, to serve for two years.
If you had a college education, and were drafted, your chances of ending up in the infantry (unless you volunteered for it) were very low. The army always had lots of technical and administrative jobs for educated draftees. If you wanted to ~~absolutely~~ perhaps avoid the chance of [ground or water] combat in Vietnam, you could [maybe] enlist in the air force. This meant you would have to serve three years. There was a slight chance you might get a job as a crewman aboard a B-52 bomber (of which ~~a few~~ some were shot down) or in an air force security unit pulling guard duty in a Vietnam air base (there were ~~some~~ more casualties here.) Military pilots took a lot of casualties, but they were nearly all officers, and volunteers. But, generally, a college grad had little to fear from the military in the 1960s unless they volunteered for combat.

Numerical edit + added additional strikeout/replacement wordings and another bracketed insert, last paragraph at sentence 3.

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 0:01:32 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
He didn't lie about that.

Grey...
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 8:30:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#22. To: Cynicom (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 12:57:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Cynicom, GreyLmist (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So Cyni, you are either truly confused and uninformed, or you are outright LYING. Did you think you'd get away with spewing nonsense and that nobody would check out the facts?

FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:52:14 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Cynicom, All (#15) (Edited)
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So when are you going to retract your lie?
Air Force may draft doctors
Washington (AP) - The Air Force needs 250 doctors. And for the first time since 1957 the Defense Department plans to call on the draft to get the physicians. The Pentagon said Monday the draft call was made necessary by the failure of this year's intern group to volunteer for active duty, beginning in July 1961, in sufficient numbers to meet the requirements of the military medical service.

FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 08:45:38 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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