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Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
von Mises letter to Ayn Rand...
Rand made statement that the masses were mere lice with barely a right to live....
"""You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.[6] —Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand....

“”The liberal champions of equality under the law were fully aware of the fact that men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization. Equality under the law was in their opinion not designed to correct the inexorable facts of the universe and to make natural inequality disappear.[7]

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:02:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Ayn Rand

It just occurred to me he probably named his son after her.
Duh...
BTW, for a mere $500 dollar contribution you can become a VIP member of Ron's new group, Freedom or Death, I'll take a Check.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-19 19:11:26 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#5)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:36:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)
olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

He didn't lie about that. He was being drafted into the Army and joined the Air Force because he wanted to and could meet their entrance requirements, just the same as many draftees (college credentialed or not) joined other branches instead going into the Army. I'm sure you must know that draftees of that period voluntarily joining another branch instead of serving in the Army was nothing scornfully unusual or we likely would have had largely downsized -- maybe near non-existent -- Air Force, Navy and Marine branches during the Viet Nam War but the Army would have been much more massive.
Ron Paul was already a doctor at the time his Draft number was selected. He didn't choose to dodge the Draft, as others did, so it was assured that he would be a wartime Serviceman. It was just a matter of which of the Armed Forces he served in more than what his rank and duties were apt to be. Chances were slim to none that choosing Army service then instead of Air Force service (or any other branch) would have just meant grunthood Private rank for him there or combat duty as an Infantry Medic. Most certainly, he would have served in the Army with officer status in much the same capacity as he did in the Air Force. What joining the Air Force actually meant for Ron Paul (and probably any other draftee opting then to go into another branch of Service of their choice rather than choosing the Army, as the Military entry-level Draft Board standards did for them automatically) is that the stipulated time of Military Service would have to be longer -- 3 years instead of 2.
ronpaulforums.com: Was Ron Paul drafted when he was in the Air Force? - Comments

"Ron Paul says he received a draft notice telling him he could be drafted as a buck private, or volunteer and become a flight surgeon."
"Paul received his medical degree first, then got his draft notice from the army (to be inducted as a private), then decided to join the Air Force as a commissioned officer. FYI - you can't be drafted into the Air Force."

The Real Facts About Service in Vietnam

Some 2.2 million men were drafted during the Vietnam war, to serve for two years.
If you had a college education, and were drafted, your chances of ending up in the infantry (unless you volunteered for it) were very low. The army always had lots of technical and administrative jobs for educated draftees. If you wanted to ~~absolutely~~ perhaps avoid the chance of [ground or water] combat in Vietnam, you could [maybe] enlist in the air force. This meant you would have to serve three years. There was a slight chance you might get a job as a crewman aboard a B-52 bomber (of which ~~a few~~ some were shot down) or in an air force security unit pulling guard duty in a Vietnam air base (there were ~~some~~ more casualties here.) Military pilots took a lot of casualties, but they were nearly all officers, and volunteers. But, generally, a college grad had little to fear from the military in the 1960s unless they volunteered for combat.

Numerical edit + added additional strikeout/replacement wordings and another bracketed insert, last paragraph at sentence 3.

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 0:01:32 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
He didn't lie about that.

Grey...
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 8:30:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 12:57:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too.

No...
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.
Course ole Ron told a lot of lies. Even had 60 family members on his payroll during election time.
Shame on olde Ron.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 13:08:57 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Cynicom (#23) (Edited)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted. How long do you think he would have been a Private in the Army? All the way through Boot Camp? Even that 6 weeks wouldn't have been a big disadvantage. I'd guess more like around 5 minutes or so, maybe less, after being sworn in before he was promoted to Army Officer rank.
Edited sentence 2.

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 13:32:55 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 15:46:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#27. To: Cynicom, 4 (#25)
Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

As usual Cyni, you huff and you puff, but you're still full of hot air...
From The Vietnam War, the Doctor Draft, and the NIH Associate Training Program

Physicians were needed to achieve these domestic goals but also to care for U.S. troops in Vietnam. Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service.

FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:50:18 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Cynicom (#25) (Edited)
I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

I did watch the video and even recommended a good WWII story he presented at 20:41. I heard him say in his speech that he was drafted. Possibly there's been a generational shift in the semantics of that word since the Korean War but I haven't found a Draft notice online yet specific to the Army only. Saw many generalized Presidential greetings, though, for induction into the Armed Forces. What's construed as draft-induced "volunteerism" by a draftee having some choice as to which of the Armed Forces they might serve in doesn't mean there was nothing involuntary about that except for the Army personnel who would have rather served elsewhere but couldn't for some reason.
Ron Paul may have chosen to serve in the Air Force because it was like a tradition with his family or he had friends and associates already there. Likewise, some people (draftees or not) choose to serve in the Army, Navy or Marines for those reasons, too, or just because that's where they prefer to do their duty (even though the Marines could be most hazardous). That he could have served in the Army for 2 years instead of 5 with similar rank and duties, thereby returning quicker to more lucrative practicing of medicine as a civilian (and without further Reserve-status ado about it) tells me that his induction-selection probably wasn't very motivated by money or prestige. Suggesting that he was something of a Draft Dodger by joining the Air Force doesn't merely amount to an undue personal insult of him by scurrilous "Stolen Valor tactics", of a sort, but is also a wrongful diminishment of every draftee in the non-Army sectors of the Armed Forces who similarly didn't desert to Canada or otherwise. So, please cease and desist for your own persona, too, from going that unreasonably far to bash him with expressed hatreds.
Near as I could determine, Ron Paul was called to service in 1962 during the October Cuban Missile Crisis and went into the Air Force in 1963. He was not sent to Vietnam but it's reported by Wikipedia that we had 16,000 combat troops there then (and as 17,000 by the Boston Review) -- much escalated beyond the advisors sent by Eisenhower. There were 122 American casualties that year and the casualty count had more than tripled in Kennedy's first year as President. It more than tripled again the next year and was much more than twice that for 1963. Kennedy is credited with planning to withdraw all troops by 1965 and 1,000 of them by the end of 1963 but only one platoon of 50 Marines was scheduled to be removed. [1963 in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia]. Ron Paul served as needed during a time of war and one that went from bad to worse during his years of service. Where he was assigned was the Military's choice.
Edited sentences 1 and 2 of paragraph 2 + capitalization.

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-24 14:19:05 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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