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Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
von Mises letter to Ayn Rand...
Rand made statement that the masses were mere lice with barely a right to live....
"""You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.[6] —Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand....

“”The liberal champions of equality under the law were fully aware of the fact that men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization. Equality under the law was in their opinion not designed to correct the inexorable facts of the universe and to make natural inequality disappear.[7]

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:02:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Ayn Rand

It just occurred to me he probably named his son after her.
Duh...
BTW, for a mere $500 dollar contribution you can become a VIP member of Ron's new group, Freedom or Death, I'll take a Check.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-19 19:11:26 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#5)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:36:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)
olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

He didn't lie about that. He was being drafted into the Army and joined the Air Force because he wanted to and could meet their entrance requirements, just the same as many draftees (college credentialed or not) joined other branches instead going into the Army. I'm sure you must know that draftees of that period voluntarily joining another branch instead of serving in the Army was nothing scornfully unusual or we likely would have had largely downsized -- maybe near non-existent -- Air Force, Navy and Marine branches during the Viet Nam War but the Army would have been much more massive.
Ron Paul was already a doctor at the time his Draft number was selected. He didn't choose to dodge the Draft, as others did, so it was assured that he would be a wartime Serviceman. It was just a matter of which of the Armed Forces he served in more than what his rank and duties were apt to be. Chances were slim to none that choosing Army service then instead of Air Force service (or any other branch) would have just meant grunthood Private rank for him there or combat duty as an Infantry Medic. Most certainly, he would have served in the Army with officer status in much the same capacity as he did in the Air Force. What joining the Air Force actually meant for Ron Paul (and probably any other draftee opting then to go into another branch of Service of their choice rather than choosing the Army, as the Military entry-level Draft Board standards did for them automatically) is that the stipulated time of Military Service would have to be longer -- 3 years instead of 2.
ronpaulforums.com: Was Ron Paul drafted when he was in the Air Force? - Comments

"Ron Paul says he received a draft notice telling him he could be drafted as a buck private, or volunteer and become a flight surgeon."
"Paul received his medical degree first, then got his draft notice from the army (to be inducted as a private), then decided to join the Air Force as a commissioned officer. FYI - you can't be drafted into the Air Force."

The Real Facts About Service in Vietnam

Some 2.2 million men were drafted during the Vietnam war, to serve for two years.
If you had a college education, and were drafted, your chances of ending up in the infantry (unless you volunteered for it) were very low. The army always had lots of technical and administrative jobs for educated draftees. If you wanted to ~~absolutely~~ perhaps avoid the chance of [ground or water] combat in Vietnam, you could [maybe] enlist in the air force. This meant you would have to serve three years. There was a slight chance you might get a job as a crewman aboard a B-52 bomber (of which ~~a few~~ some were shot down) or in an air force security unit pulling guard duty in a Vietnam air base (there were ~~some~~ more casualties here.) Military pilots took a lot of casualties, but they were nearly all officers, and volunteers. But, generally, a college grad had little to fear from the military in the 1960s unless they volunteered for combat.

Numerical edit + added additional strikeout/replacement wordings and another bracketed insert, last paragraph at sentence 3.

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 0:01:32 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
He didn't lie about that.

Grey...
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 8:30:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?

GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 12:57:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too.

No...
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.
Course ole Ron told a lot of lies. Even had 60 family members on his payroll during election time.
Shame on olde Ron.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 13:08:57 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Cynicom (#23)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

I may be totally off base on this. If so, feel free to set me straight.
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

Buzzard posted on 2015-02-20 18:32:29 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Buzzard (#26)
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

There is a quirk in the draft law.
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.
Under current law medical people, in case of national emergency, are really in peril. The law allows the military to call from a current list, doctors, surgeons, nurses, NPs PAs and even paramedics.
All is based on specialty and age, doctors I believe are under the gun until age 60, the others at lesser ages.
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
The math is obvious, he did not want to be a grunt for two, he did five to avoid grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 20:04:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Cynicom, Buzzard (#30) (Edited)
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.

Hey numbnuts, I just posted evidence that proves doctors WERE being drafted into the Air Force, so why do you continue to lie?
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
Another whopper of a lie. For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.

FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:10:10 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#32)
For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.

Olde Man is never wrong.
I'd say just ask him, but...you know how that goes. Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:04:24 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Olde Man is never wrong.

How right you are.
Snicker...
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.
I was offered commission in the Army, for five years, while I was in Air Farce as a grunt. They were aghast that I and others demurred. Thanks but no thanks.
In, do four, out with no reserve time. Ole Ron was in inactive reserves for long time. Bum deal.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 21:18:00 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.

Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:48:54 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)
Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Ole Ron does not say so but I suspect he had more than one deferments, wink wink.
He just neglects to mention that. Being of suspicious mind, I often wonder what else ole Ron seems to never mention.
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire. Checking his election financial statements are interesting, of course who cares?
Ole Ron was drafted for two years, volunteered for five, what a man give his all for his country. Now I feel bad, only doing four during wartime. Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:00:26 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire.

His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.

Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:11:34 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Cynicom (#39)
Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

'63 - '68?
Hardly peacetime, even though no war was declared.
Please get off Paul's ass and find a more worthy target for the vitriol.
Thank you.

Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:15:22 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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