4um: Ron Paul discusses Secession

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In
Ron Paul
See other Ron Paul Articles
Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
Source: [None]
URL Source: [None]
Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 768
Comments: 76

Poster Comment:
Go to 1:15.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-19) not displayed.
.
.
.

#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
Ron has some fuzzy math going on, but don't let that stop you from making a hefty contribution to his latest revolution!

If it quacks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, that dont mean its a honest to God duck.
It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 11:12:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

I'm waiting to see Ron's racket featured on an episode of American Greed.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-20 12:30:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?
-------
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 12:57:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too.

No...
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.
Course ole Ron told a lot of lies. Even had 60 family members on his payroll during election time.
Shame on olde Ron.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 13:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Cynicom (#23) (Edited)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted. How long do you think he would have been a Private in the Army? All the way through Boot Camp? Even that 6 weeks wouldn't have been a big disadvantage. I'd guess more like around 5 minutes or so, maybe less, after being sworn in before he was promoted to Army Officer rank.
Edited sentence 2.
-------
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 13:32:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 15:46:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Cynicom (#23)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

I may be totally off base on this. If so, feel free to set me straight.
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.
It's the bankers fault !
All Wars Are Bankers' WarsWhat America needs is the separation of zionism and state
Buzzard posted on 2015-02-20 18:32:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Cynicom, 4 (#25)
Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

As usual Cyni, you huff and you puff, but you're still full of hot air...
From The Vietnam War, the Doctor Draft, and the NIH Associate Training Program

Physicians were needed to achieve these domestic goals but also to care for U.S. troops in Vietnam. Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service.

"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:50:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Cynicom, GreyLmist (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So Cyni, you are either truly confused and uninformed, or you are outright LYING. Did you think you'd get away with spewing nonsense and that nobody would check out the facts?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:52:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Buzzard (#26)
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

Yep, they started the doctor draft in the 1950's. Hmmmm, I guess Cyni is just making things up as he goes.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:53:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Buzzard (#26)
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

There is a quirk in the draft law.
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.
Under current law medical people, in case of national emergency, are really in peril. The law allows the military to call from a current list, doctors, surgeons, nurses, NPs PAs and even paramedics.
All is based on specialty and age, doctors I believe are under the gun until age 60, the others at lesser ages.
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
The math is obvious, he did not want to be a grunt for two, he did five to avoid grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 20:04:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#6)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

So Cyni, are you going to retract your false claims and apologize for insinuating that Ron Paul was a somehow dodging hazardous service and is a liar, or are you going to let your comments stand, even though it's been proven that doctors WERE being drafted into the Army, Navy, and Air Force?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:06:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Cynicom, Buzzard (#30) (Edited)
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.

Hey numbnuts, I just posted evidence that proves doctors WERE being drafted into the Air Force, so why do you continue to lie?
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
Another whopper of a lie. For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:10:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Cynicom (#30)
Oh and BTW, Ron Paul served in the Air Force as an active duty flight surgeon from 1963 to 1965, and was in the Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.
So perhaps he volunteered for additional duty in the ANG after his 2 year obligation in the Air Force was up.
Yeah, what a weasel, eh Cyni?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:33:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#32)
For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.

Olde Man is never wrong.
I'd say just ask him, but...you know how that goes. Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:04:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

OMG, I'm going to have to go sulk in the corner now. It's so hurtful.
LOL!!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 21:08:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Olde Man is never wrong.

How right you are.
Snicker...
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.
I was offered commission in the Army, for five years, while I was in Air Farce as a grunt. They were aghast that I and others demurred. Thanks but no thanks.
In, do four, out with no reserve time. Ole Ron was in inactive reserves for long time. Bum deal.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 21:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Fred...
I was on my second tour overseas with Air Force when I received my draft notice. Does that mean I was drafted and did not volunteer for Air Farce????
Guess I was duped? Right? The FBI and police had big guns when they came looking for me as a draft dodger. Where was I dodging the draft???? Korea...

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 21:25:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.

Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:48:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)
Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Ole Ron does not say so but I suspect he had more than one deferments, wink wink.
He just neglects to mention that. Being of suspicious mind, I often wonder what else ole Ron seems to never mention.
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire. Checking his election financial statements are interesting, of course who cares?
Ole Ron was drafted for two years, volunteered for five, what a man give his all for his country. Now I feel bad, only doing four during wartime. Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:00:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire.

His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:11:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Cynicom (#39)
Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

'63 - '68?
Hardly peacetime, even though no war was declared.
Please get off Paul's ass and find a more worthy target for the vitriol.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:15:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Dakmar (#40)
His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.

His every two years financial statements do not support that.
Ron "invested" in gold mining, not gold.
Public record.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:18:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Cynicom, Dakmar, 4 (#42)
The physical gold that anyone buys is not public record, and not reported to anyone.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:23:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Cynicom (#42)
Ron "invested" in gold mining, not gold.

I haven't looked into the dealings of Ron Paul on the Mining And/Or Precious Metals Exchange as closely as you, obviously. I do remember some dust up about mining stocks a few years back, seems like it was a non-story fabricated by the bankster crowd.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:31:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Lod (#41)
Sir Lod...
I do not recall ever asking or telling you to drop any subject?
That is difficult to accept.
Censoring an open forum is the wrong path, especially in a very personal format.
Sorry to receive such from someone I have utmost respect for.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:33:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Dakmar (#44)
Dak...
I take my leave.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:34:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
vaya con dios
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Cynicom (#45)
I guess that I don't understand your now never-ending hatred of Dr. Paul.
He returned all your donations; what more could he do than make you fiscally whole? and ease your pain for being a strong supporter back when?
Your anger is misplaced, imo.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:44:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Lod (#48)
I guess that I don't understand your now never-ending hatred of Dr. Paul.

Cyni wanted the messiah and Ron turned out to be just a messenger. I sent him a block of cheddar to go with his whine.
The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2015-02-21 0:00:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: GreyLmist, all (#13)
CyniCOMMIE and Tom Davis can not die soon enough to save the Republic. sorry...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2015-02-21 0:48:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Rotara (#50)
CyniCOMMIE and Tom Davis can not die soon enough to save the Republic. sorry...

I'd like to say that I'm surprised at this comment Kent, but given the entirety of your personal background, I can't say I am.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 1:46:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: All (#51)
I apparently missed 4um's sacred cow memo, but apparently Ron Paul is on it.
Who knew?

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 1:49:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: Cynicom, Fred Mertz, Lod, Rotara, Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, Hmmmmm, Buzzard (#36)
He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.

Hey genius, what part of "Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service." do you fail to understand?
Are you on some mind altering drugs? You've been proven to be a liar, and here you are calling Dr. Ron Paul that very thing, where in fact it is you who is slandering him with lies due to some personal hatred you have for the man.
Why don't you get off your high horse and admit that either you were wrong, or that you got caught slandering him with malicious lies?
As noted previously, Paul served TWO YEARS in the Air Force as an active duty flight surgeon, and THREE YEARS in the Air National Guard, so you're wrong about his time in service as well.
Even if he had gone into the Army Medical Corps, he'd still be a doctor, not a grunt. If he had wanted the easy way out he could have just gone into the Public Health Service as a so-called "yellow beret".
It's these types of things that truly illustrate just how confused you are about MANY things, and that is why I'm really surprised that some people here give great credence to what you have to say about ANYTHING.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 8:31:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Cynicom, All (#15) (Edited)
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So when are you going to retract your lie?
Air Force may draft doctors
Washington (AP) - The Air Force needs 250 doctors. And for the first time since 1957 the Defense Department plans to call on the draft to get the physicians. The Pentagon said Monday the draft call was made necessary by the failure of this year's intern group to volunteer for active duty, beginning in July 1961, in sufficient numbers to meet the requirements of the military medical service.

"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 8:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: All (#54)
Despite the conflict that this video caused in thread, I think this is one of the best speeches Ron Paul has ever given.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
christine posted on 2015-02-21 11:22:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: FormerLurker (#53)
I'm really surprised that some people here give great credence to what you have to say about ANYTHING.

Just to be clear, I give NO credence to the often confused and contradictory rantings of that duplicitous old fool. The more he expresses his xenophobic jingoism, faux history, and deductive powers the better for all to see. Ticktock!
The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2015-02-21 11:28:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: 4 (#55)
It sounds to me like a soon-to-be stump speech for Wailing Wall Rand.
You know he's going to hit the trail for his Zionist kid.
Will this be Ron's Revolution part II or III?

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 11:47:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: christine, Cynicom (#55) (Edited)
It's not really a matter of conflict, it's a matter of trying to set the record straight. Apparently Cyni has no use for truth if it hurts his agenda.
But heck, it DOES get the thread some extra hits... :)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 11:48:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, All (#57)
I have to say that it troubles me that Ron Paul, at least publicly, supports his son on issues that Ron himself has spoken out against all of his career.
I've also always been troubled by Dr. Paul's comments about 9/11 and the Truth movement when asked during his first presidential bid.
This isn't what I referred to, but here's another instance when he failed on it. 9/11 is my litmus test for politicians.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
christine posted on 2015-02-21 16:22:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#59) (Edited)
It was my opinion during the time of the elections that Paul could not agree with the 9/11 Truth Movement due to the stark reality that ANY hope of getting nominated would have been tossed out the window. HOWEVER, AFTER he decided to call it quits in terms of seeking the nomination, he COULD have shared his true thoughts IF he were on the up and up about it all.
Then again, the JFK assassination carried a strong message to any who would challenge those who call the shots.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 16:32:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

.
.
.
Comments (61 - 76) not displayed.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

Freedom4um