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Title: Ron Paul discusses Secession
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: RP
Post Date: 2015-02-19 17:55:59 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Ominous Tweet From Matt Drudge About Obama: “Like He Knows Something Terrible Coming… Very Unsettling”
www.shtfplan.com/headline...-very-unsettling_02102015

Neo TryingtoWarnYou posted on 2015-02-19 18:00:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#1)
Thanks, I heard of this and couldn't find it.
I agree, btw. He looks like a heroin addict.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-19 18:04:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
He's deranged , delusional and acting like it.
"I'm a Muslim, my father is from Kenya".
"I'm a Jew, my mother is Jewish".

Neo TryingtoWarnYou posted on 2015-02-19 18:10:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
von Mises letter to Ayn Rand...
Rand made statement that the masses were mere lice with barely a right to live....
"""You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.[6] —Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand....

“”The liberal champions of equality under the law were fully aware of the fact that men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization. Equality under the law was in their opinion not designed to correct the inexorable facts of the universe and to make natural inequality disappear.[7]

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Ayn Rand

It just occurred to me he probably named his son after her.
Duh...
BTW, for a mere $500 dollar contribution you can become a VIP member of Ron's new group, Freedom or Death, I'll take a Check.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-19 19:11:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#5)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 19:36:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Cynicom (#6)
As an MD, Ron would have been a Major or Captain in whatever branch he was enlisted in at that time.
No grunthood for an MD.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-19 20:44:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Lod (#7)
Enlisted are grunts.
Officers are commissioned, Ron volunteered for the Air Force commission to avoid being a grunt in the Army.
I have yet to see if he had deferments for college but assume he did.
It is dishonest for him to say he was drafted, that never happened. I volunteered to avoid the draft, he did the same.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 20:52:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
Yes, y'all chose the least bitter poison at the time.
Thank God you both survived it all.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-19 21:47:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
I volunteered to avoid the draft, he did the same.

Me too.
"Honest, April 15th is April Fools Day".
noone222 posted on 2015-02-19 21:49:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Cynicom (#8)
I have yet to see if he had deferments for college but assume he did.

At one time there were deferments for college, marriage, then one child, and then two children; if I recall correctly.
Don't quote me.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-19 21:50:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: noone222, Lod (#10)
Me too.

I was on my second tour in Far East when FBI came knocking, said I was a draft dodger.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-19 21:59:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)
olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

He didn't lie about that. He was being drafted into the Army and joined the Air Force because he wanted to and could meet their entrance requirements, just the same as many draftees (college credentialed or not) joined other branches instead going into the Army. I'm sure you must know that draftees of that period voluntarily joining another branch instead of serving in the Army was nothing scornfully unusual or we likely would have had largely downsized -- maybe near non-existent -- Air Force, Navy and Marine branches during the Viet Nam War but the Army would have been much more massive.
Ron Paul was already a doctor at the time his Draft number was selected. He didn't choose to dodge the Draft, as others did, so it was assured that he would be a wartime Serviceman. It was just a matter of which of the Armed Forces he served in more than what his rank and duties were apt to be. Chances were slim to none that choosing Army service then instead of Air Force service (or any other branch) would have just meant grunthood Private rank for him there or combat duty as an Infantry Medic. Most certainly, he would have served in the Army with officer status in much the same capacity as he did in the Air Force. What joining the Air Force actually meant for Ron Paul (and probably any other draftee opting then to go into another branch of Service of their choice rather than choosing the Army, as the Military entry-level Draft Board standards did for them automatically) is that the stipulated time of Military Service would have to be longer -- 3 years instead of 2.
ronpaulforums.com: Was Ron Paul drafted when he was in the Air Force? - Comments

"Ron Paul says he received a draft notice telling him he could be drafted as a buck private, or volunteer and become a flight surgeon."
"Paul received his medical degree first, then got his draft notice from the army (to be inducted as a private), then decided to join the Air Force as a commissioned officer. FYI - you can't be drafted into the Air Force."

The Real Facts About Service in Vietnam

Some 2.2 million men were drafted during the Vietnam war, to serve for two years.
If you had a college education, and were drafted, your chances of ending up in the infantry (unless you volunteered for it) were very low. The army always had lots of technical and administrative jobs for educated draftees. If you wanted to ~~absolutely~~ perhaps avoid the chance of [ground or water] combat in Vietnam, you could [maybe] enlist in the air force. This meant you would have to serve three years. There was a slight chance you might get a job as a crewman aboard a B-52 bomber (of which ~~a few~~ some were shot down) or in an air force security unit pulling guard duty in a Vietnam air base (there were ~~some~~ more casualties here.) Military pilots took a lot of casualties, but they were nearly all officers, and volunteers. But, generally, a college grad had little to fear from the military in the 1960s unless they volunteered for combat.

Numerical edit + added additional strikeout/replacement wordings and another bracketed insert, last paragraph at sentence 3.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 0:01:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Go to 1:15.

Go to 20:41 for a good WWII story near the ending -- with some musical notes included -- about a German sniper and a trumpet-playing American pilot, Capt. Jack Tueller.

Going into battle armed with a trumpet - CNN, 11/06/09

"I thought to myself [...]. How can I stop him from firing? So [...] I wailed that trumpet over those apple orchards of Normandy, and he didn't fire."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 1:11:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
He didn't lie about that.

Grey...
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 8:30:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Lod, 4 (#11)
At one time there were deferments for college, marriage, then one child, and then two children; if I recall correctly.

Jewish kids seemed to have a pipeline into the Coast Guard if all of the above failed.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-20 8:59:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Jewish kids seemed to have a pipeline into the Coast Guard if all of the above failed.

Imagine that.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 9:10:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Olde Ron had to have "deferments" somewhere along the line, he just seems to forget about that.
I was never "drafted" even tho they came looking for me, while I was on my second tour overseas, in 1952.
Lots of things ole Ron "forgets" to mention. Such as he was a "terms limits" candidate, THAT STAYED 22 LONG YEARS, a "servant" that had nothing the first term, retired a multi millionaire, its all there for anyone to read.
Try becoming a multi millionaire on a congressmans salary, in 22 years. His draft info is fuzzy as is his financial report.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 9:15:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Cynicom (#18)
Try becoming a multi millionaire on a congressmans salary, in 22 years. His draft info is fuzzy as is his financial report.

Ron has some fuzzy math going on, but don't let that stop you from making a hefty contribution to his latest revolution!

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-20 10:30:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
Ron has some fuzzy math going on, but don't let that stop you from making a hefty contribution to his latest revolution!

If it quacks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, that dont mean its a honest to God duck.
It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 11:12:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
It could be a cross/breed between a chicken and a duck?????? One that lays Golden eggs worth millions????

I'm waiting to see Ron's racket featured on an episode of American Greed.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-20 12:30:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.
To keep his butt out of the Army, he VOLUNTEERED and accepted a commission in the Air Force.
Been there did that.
Engaged is one thing, married requires a CONTRACT.

Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too. There was no big advantage there by him joining the Air Force instead but what if he didn't have a choice to select another branch of Service for some reason like they were already filled to capacity. Are you trying to say that the lottery Draft Rules of "Engagement" meant that he wasn't being wartime Militarily Drafted per se, just Army Drafted when his number was selected? And so, as long as he'd followed through on his Selective Service duty by trying to apply at the other Military branches and was turned down, he could have been exempted from being hauled off in chains as a criminal and/or shot, such as you speak of so often about your Service era? -- on account of he hadn't signed a contract with the Army?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 12:57:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Like he wouldn't have been an officer in the Army too.

No...
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.
Course ole Ron told a lot of lies. Even had 60 family members on his payroll during election time.
Shame on olde Ron.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 13:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Cynicom (#23) (Edited)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.
Ron lies.

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted. How long do you think he would have been a Private in the Army? All the way through Boot Camp? Even that 6 weeks wouldn't have been a big disadvantage. I'd guess more like around 5 minutes or so, maybe less, after being sworn in before he was promoted to Army Officer rank.
Edited sentence 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-20 13:32:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)

I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 15:46:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Cynicom (#23)
The Army does not draft officers. Never has.

I may be totally off base on this. If so, feel free to set me straight.
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.
It's the bankers fault !
All Wars Are Bankers' WarsWhat America needs is the separation of zionism and state
Buzzard posted on 2015-02-20 18:32:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Cynicom, 4 (#25)
Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

As usual Cyni, you huff and you puff, but you're still full of hot air...
From The Vietnam War, the Doctor Draft, and the NIH Associate Training Program

Physicians were needed to achieve these domestic goals but also to care for U.S. troops in Vietnam. Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service.

"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:50:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Cynicom, GreyLmist (#15)
He does lie...
Ron Paul was never drafted. For that to occur, he would have become a private in the Army. Lying Ron was never in the Army.
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So Cyni, you are either truly confused and uninformed, or you are outright LYING. Did you think you'd get away with spewing nonsense and that nobody would check out the facts?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:52:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Buzzard (#26)
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

Yep, they started the doctor draft in the 1950's. Hmmmm, I guess Cyni is just making things up as he goes.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 18:53:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Buzzard (#26)
Weren't the physicians on MASH portrayed as draftee doctors? They were Captains and Majors.

There is a quirk in the draft law.
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.
Under current law medical people, in case of national emergency, are really in peril. The law allows the military to call from a current list, doctors, surgeons, nurses, NPs PAs and even paramedics.
All is based on specialty and age, doctors I believe are under the gun until age 60, the others at lesser ages.
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
The math is obvious, he did not want to be a grunt for two, he did five to avoid grunthood.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 20:04:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod (#6)
Also, olde Ron tells the same lie again and again about being drafted.
That never happened. The Air Force has NEVER drafted anyone, ever.
Olde Ron volunteered for a commission to save himself from the Army grunthood.

So Cyni, are you going to retract your false claims and apologize for insinuating that Ron Paul was a somehow dodging hazardous service and is a liar, or are you going to let your comments stand, even though it's been proven that doctors WERE being drafted into the Army, Navy, and Air Force?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:06:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Cynicom, Buzzard (#30) (Edited)
Medical doctors could be drafted back then, however Ron was NOT drafted into the Army medical corp.
He volunteered and was commissioned into the Air Force as a doctor, not a grunt.

Hey numbnuts, I just posted evidence that proves doctors WERE being drafted into the Air Force, so why do you continue to lie?
The Army sent a draft notice to Paul for induction as a grunt private for two years...Paul elected to "volunteer" .for the air force, a commission AND FIVE YEARS.
Another whopper of a lie. For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:10:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Cynicom (#30)
Oh and BTW, Ron Paul served in the Air Force as an active duty flight surgeon from 1963 to 1965, and was in the Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.
So perhaps he volunteered for additional duty in the ANG after his 2 year obligation in the Air Force was up.
Yeah, what a weasel, eh Cyni?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 20:33:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#32)
For one, doctors were not serving as grunts, for two, Paul WAS drafted into the Air Force as a doctor.

Olde Man is never wrong.
I'd say just ask him, but...you know how that goes. Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:04:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Oops, I used "you" in my reply.

OMG, I'm going to have to go sulk in the corner now. It's so hurtful.
LOL!!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-20 21:08:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Olde Man is never wrong.

How right you are.
Snicker...
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.
I was offered commission in the Army, for five years, while I was in Air Farce as a grunt. They were aghast that I and others demurred. Thanks but no thanks.
In, do four, out with no reserve time. Ole Ron was in inactive reserves for long time. Bum deal.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 21:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Fred...
I was on my second tour overseas with Air Force when I received my draft notice. Does that mean I was drafted and did not volunteer for Air Farce????
Guess I was duped? Right? The FBI and police had big guns when they came looking for me as a draft dodger. Where was I dodging the draft???? Korea...

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 21:25:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
Paul was not stupid. He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.
At about the same time I decided on four long years in the Air Farce vs two short years in the Army.

Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-02-20 21:48:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)
Wow, Ron Paul must have followed your lead. I'm impressed.

Ole Ron does not say so but I suspect he had more than one deferments, wink wink.
He just neglects to mention that. Being of suspicious mind, I often wonder what else ole Ron seems to never mention.
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire. Checking his election financial statements are interesting, of course who cares?
Ole Ron was drafted for two years, volunteered for five, what a man give his all for his country. Now I feel bad, only doing four during wartime. Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:00:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
For instance, going into Congress a poor man, coming out a multi millionaire.

His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:11:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Cynicom (#39)
Ron did his during peacetime, did he tell us that?

'63 - '68?
Hardly peacetime, even though no war was declared.
Please get off Paul's ass and find a more worthy target for the vitriol.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:15:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Dakmar (#40)
His family owned a successful dairy processing business near Pittsburgh, PA. He ran an OB/GYN practice most of his life, and blew all his spending money on gold. It's all a matter of public record.

His every two years financial statements do not support that.
Ron "invested" in gold mining, not gold.
Public record.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:18:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Cynicom, Dakmar, 4 (#42)
The physical gold that anyone buys is not public record, and not reported to anyone.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:23:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Cynicom (#42)
Ron "invested" in gold mining, not gold.

I haven't looked into the dealings of Ron Paul on the Mining And/Or Precious Metals Exchange as closely as you, obviously. I do remember some dust up about mining stocks a few years back, seems like it was a non-story fabricated by the bankster crowd.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:31:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Lod (#41)
Sir Lod...
I do not recall ever asking or telling you to drop any subject?
That is difficult to accept.
Censoring an open forum is the wrong path, especially in a very personal format.
Sorry to receive such from someone I have utmost respect for.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:33:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Dakmar (#44)
Dak...
I take my leave.

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-20 22:34:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
vaya con dios
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2015-02-20 22:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Cynicom (#45)
I guess that I don't understand your now never-ending hatred of Dr. Paul.
He returned all your donations; what more could he do than make you fiscally whole? and ease your pain for being a strong supporter back when?
Your anger is misplaced, imo.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-02-20 22:44:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Lod (#48)
I guess that I don't understand your now never-ending hatred of Dr. Paul.

Cyni wanted the messiah and Ron turned out to be just a messenger. I sent him a block of cheddar to go with his whine.
The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry.
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Hmmmmm posted on 2015-02-21 0:00:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: GreyLmist, all (#13)
CyniCOMMIE and Tom Davis can not die soon enough to save the Republic. sorry...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2015-02-21 0:48:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Rotara (#50)
CyniCOMMIE and Tom Davis can not die soon enough to save the Republic. sorry...

I'd like to say that I'm surprised at this comment Kent, but given the entirety of your personal background, I can't say I am.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 1:46:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: All (#51)
I apparently missed 4um's sacred cow memo, but apparently Ron Paul is on it.
Who knew?

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 1:49:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: Cynicom, Fred Mertz, Lod, Rotara, Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, Hmmmmm, Buzzard (#36)
He chose five long years in the Air Force vs two years in the Army.

Hey genius, what part of "Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service." do you fail to understand?
Are you on some mind altering drugs? You've been proven to be a liar, and here you are calling Dr. Ron Paul that very thing, where in fact it is you who is slandering him with lies due to some personal hatred you have for the man.
Why don't you get off your high horse and admit that either you were wrong, or that you got caught slandering him with malicious lies?
As noted previously, Paul served TWO YEARS in the Air Force as an active duty flight surgeon, and THREE YEARS in the Air National Guard, so you're wrong about his time in service as well.
Even if he had gone into the Army Medical Corps, he'd still be a doctor, not a grunt. If he had wanted the easy way out he could have just gone into the Public Health Service as a so-called "yellow beret".
It's these types of things that truly illustrate just how confused you are about MANY things, and that is why I'm really surprised that some people here give great credence to what you have to say about ANYTHING.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 8:31:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Cynicom, All (#15) (Edited)
The Air Force takes ONLY volunteers. They have never drafted anyone.

So when are you going to retract your lie?
Air Force may draft doctors
Washington (AP) - The Air Force needs 250 doctors. And for the first time since 1957 the Defense Department plans to call on the draft to get the physicians. The Pentagon said Monday the draft call was made necessary by the failure of this year's intern group to volunteer for active duty, beginning in July 1961, in sufficient numbers to meet the requirements of the military medical service.

"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 8:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: All (#54)
Despite the conflict that this video caused in thread, I think this is one of the best speeches Ron Paul has ever given.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
christine posted on 2015-02-21 11:22:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: FormerLurker (#53)
I'm really surprised that some people here give great credence to what you have to say about ANYTHING.

Just to be clear, I give NO credence to the often confused and contradictory rantings of that duplicitous old fool. The more he expresses his xenophobic jingoism, faux history, and deductive powers the better for all to see. Ticktock!
The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2015-02-21 11:28:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: 4 (#55)
It sounds to me like a soon-to-be stump speech for Wailing Wall Rand.
You know he's going to hit the trail for his Zionist kid.
Will this be Ron's Revolution part II or III?

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-02-21 11:47:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: christine, Cynicom (#55) (Edited)
It's not really a matter of conflict, it's a matter of trying to set the record straight. Apparently Cyni has no use for truth if it hurts his agenda.
But heck, it DOES get the thread some extra hits... :)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 11:48:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, All (#57)
I have to say that it troubles me that Ron Paul, at least publicly, supports his son on issues that Ron himself has spoken out against all of his career.
I've also always been troubled by Dr. Paul's comments about 9/11 and the Truth movement when asked during his first presidential bid.
This isn't what I referred to, but here's another instance when he failed on it. 9/11 is my litmus test for politicians.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
christine posted on 2015-02-21 16:22:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#59) (Edited)
It was my opinion during the time of the elections that Paul could not agree with the 9/11 Truth Movement due to the stark reality that ANY hope of getting nominated would have been tossed out the window. HOWEVER, AFTER he decided to call it quits in terms of seeking the nomination, he COULD have shared his true thoughts IF he were on the up and up about it all.
Then again, the JFK assassination carried a strong message to any who would challenge those who call the shots.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 16:32:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: FormerLurker (#60)
Then again, the JFK assassination carried a strong message to any who would challenge those who call the shots.

yeah.....
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
christine posted on 2015-02-21 16:35:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: christine (#61)
And until the truth is told and conspirators rounded up and tried for treason, murder, espionage, and other such things, the status quo will remain as it is.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 17:06:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: All (#59)
gul·li·ble

adjective: gullible
easily persuaded to believe something; credulous.
synonyms: credulous, naive, overtrusting, overtrustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, unsuspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; informalwet behind the ears, born yesterday

Cynicom posted on 2015-02-21 18:02:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: Cynicom (#63)
adjective: gullible
easily persuaded to believe something; credulous.

Uh huh. So are you admitting that you were just making shit up when you said the Air Force never drafted ANYONE, EVER?
Do you admit that it is VERY possible that Dr. Ron Paul was drafted into the Air Force as he states, since they WERE drafting doctors into the Air Force at the time?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-21 18:10:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#17)
Jewish kids seemed to have a pipeline into the Coast Guard if all of the above failed.

Imagine that.

Public Law 51 - JUNE 19, 1951, Chapter 144 - Statute 65, Page 75:
"Section 1. (a) This Act may be cited as the 'Universal Military Training and Service Act'."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-65/pdf/STATUTE-65-Pg75.pdf
Was studying that doc regarding Military Selective Service law in effect for the time period that Ron Paul would have received his Draft notice and one of the things I learned there is that the Coast Guard serves under the Secretary of the Treasury -- unlike the Army, Navy, Air Force and Secretaries thereof being jurisdictionally under the Secretary of Defense.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-23 10:06:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: All (#65)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-65/pdf/STATUTE-65-Pg75.pdf

Another thing I learned there was that aliens applying for exemption/deferment from Military service were thereafter debarred from becoming a citizen.
The strangest thing I saw was at Sec. 2 , top of pg. 76, and had to do with the authorized numbers then for active-duty personnel strength:
Army: eight hundred thirty-seven thousand [837,000]
Navy and Marine Corps: six hundred sixty-six thousand, eight hundred and eighty-two [666,882]
Air Force: five hundred two thousand [502,000]
It's like the Navy and Marine Corps were intentionally not rounded up to 667,000 so as to display a 666 numerical prefix.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-23 11:41:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: Cynicom (#63)
adjective: gullible

We were all young, once.

Deasy posted on 2015-02-23 12:24:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Cynicom (#25) (Edited)
I'm sure he never claimed to have been officer-drafted

Watch the video, I did.
Ole Ron..."when I was drafted"...
Ole Ron was a Pied Piper, nothing else.

I did watch the video and even recommended a good WWII story he presented at 20:41. I heard him say in his speech that he was drafted. Possibly there's been a generational shift in the semantics of that word since the Korean War but I haven't found a Draft notice online yet specific to the Army only. Saw many generalized Presidential greetings, though, for induction into the Armed Forces. What's construed as draft-induced "volunteerism" by a draftee having some choice as to which of the Armed Forces they might serve in doesn't mean there was nothing involuntary about that except for the Army personnel who would have rather served elsewhere but couldn't for some reason.
Ron Paul may have chosen to serve in the Air Force because it was like a tradition with his family or he had friends and associates already there. Likewise, some people (draftees or not) choose to serve in the Army, Navy or Marines for those reasons, too, or just because that's where they prefer to do their duty (even though the Marines could be most hazardous). That he could have served in the Army for 2 years instead of 5 with similar rank and duties, thereby returning quicker to more lucrative practicing of medicine as a civilian (and without further Reserve-status ado about it) tells me that his induction-selection probably wasn't very motivated by money or prestige. Suggesting that he was something of a Draft Dodger by joining the Air Force doesn't merely amount to an undue personal insult of him by scurrilous "Stolen Valor tactics", of a sort, but is also a wrongful diminishment of every draftee in the non-Army sectors of the Armed Forces who similarly didn't desert to Canada or otherwise. So, please cease and desist for your own persona, too, from going that unreasonably far to bash him with expressed hatreds.
Near as I could determine, Ron Paul was called to service in 1962 during the October Cuban Missile Crisis and went into the Air Force in 1963. He was not sent to Vietnam but it's reported by Wikipedia that we had 16,000 combat troops there then (and as 17,000 by the Boston Review) -- much escalated beyond the advisors sent by Eisenhower. There were 122 American casualties that year and the casualty count had more than tripled in Kennedy's first year as President. It more than tripled again the next year and was much more than twice that for 1963. Kennedy is credited with planning to withdraw all troops by 1965 and 1,000 of them by the end of 1963 but only one platoon of 50 Marines was scheduled to be removed. [1963 in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia]. Ron Paul served as needed during a time of war and one that went from bad to worse during his years of service. Where he was assigned was the Military's choice.
Edited sentences 1 and 2 of paragraph 2 + capitalization.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-24 14:19:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: GreyLmist (#68) (Edited)
GL, I've already found and posted several references regarding doctors being drafted into the Air Force, Army, and Navy medical services during both the Korean and Vietnam wars.
Apparently there was also an option to volunteer into the Public Health Service; those folks were named "yellow berets", assumingly due to the implication that they were "yellow" for avoiding military service.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-24 14:41:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)
From Air Force may draft doctors
Washington (AP) - The Air Force needs 250 doctors. And for the first time since 1957 the Defense Department plans to call on the draft to get the physicians. The Pentagon said Monday the draft call was made necessary by the failure of this year's intern group to volunteer for active duty, beginning in July 1961, in sufficient numbers to meet the requirements of the military medical service.

And this...
"Since the 1950s, a "doctor draft" had channeled physicians into two-year obligatory service in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Public Health Service."
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-24 14:46:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: FormerLurker (#69) (Edited)
GL, I've already found and posted several references regarding doctors being drafted into the Air Force, Army, and Navy medical services during both the Korean and Vietnam wars.
Apparently there was also an option to volunteer into the Public Health Service; those folks were named "yellow berets", assumingly due to the implication that they were "yellow" for avoiding military service.

I saw those sources and partly read them. Wouldn't agree with the implication that a Public Health draft-choice of dutiful service was abject cowardice but thanks for that very informative research and for reposting so I could more easily get to it.
Edited last sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-24 15:29:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist (#71)
Wouldn't agree with the implication that a Public Health draft-choice of dutiful service was abject cowardice but thanks for that very informative research and for reposting so I could more easily get to it.

From reading through the source a bit, it seems they named themselves with that moniker. Sort of an "inside" joke I guess.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-24 15:40:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: FormerLurker (#72) (Edited)
From reading through the source a bit, it seems they named themselves with that moniker. Sort of an "inside" joke I guess.

That was good humored of them, since I suppose there were some biological and equipment risks to their safety involved to some extent.
Grammar edit.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-24 16:22:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: GreyLmist (#73) (Edited)
Yep.
But what it boils down to is that the Air Force WAS in fact drafting doctors during the time period Ron Paul states he was drafted, contrary to Cyni's erroneous claims that they've NEVER drafted ANYONE, and there's no reason to doubt that Ron Paul was in fact drafted into the Air Force as a flight surgeon.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-24 16:47:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#74)
what it boils down to is that the Air Force WAS in fact drafting doctors during the time period Ron Paul states he was drafted,

Yes, that's clearly evident now, I'd say, with the constructive source you provided at #27 and other such info on the subject.

contrary to Cyni's erroneous claims that they've NEVER drafted ANYONE,

Human error, it does still tend to happen much but, even so, I wouldn't want to become a robot. Considering the persuasiveness of your assistive link that may have prompted him to confirm that data satisfactorily to his specs, then reevaluate the matter and considering, also, how much he unrepentantly loathes Ron Paul, I think he probably stood in correction to the very best of his ability at #30, as far as these soon subsequent acknowledgement-excerpts go:

There is a quirk in the draft law.
Medical doctors could be drafted back then,
Under current law medical people, in case of national emergency, are really in peril. The law allows the military to call from a current list, doctors, surgeons, nurses, NPs PAs and even paramedics.
All is based on specialty and age, doctors I believe are under the gun until age 60, the others at lesser ages.

and there's no reason to doubt that Ron Paul was in fact drafted into the Air Force as a flight surgeon.

Quite possibly he was but would have to stop short of 100% certainty because I haven't seen the documentation myself. Wasn't exactly searching for that but did find an extensive debate on technicalities, etc., at this linked Ron Paul unfriendly dailykos.com page with some very good counterpoints in supporting evidence, imo, as to qualifications of that time period and so on.
Am posting two more links here, as well, that I should have included for fact-checking references at #68:

1. Vietnam War - Wikipedia
2. Exit Strategy: In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam | Boston Review

Because of your current LBJ sig quote, I thought you might be interested in this quick excerpt from the Boston Review article. Was a new JFK-topical news report to me, anyway:

Unfortunately, the last White House tape from the Kennedy administration is dated November 7, 1963. The archivists at the JFK Library have no information on why the tapings either ended or are unavailable for later dates.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2015-02-26 14:51:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
Unfortunately, the last White House tape from the Kennedy administration is dated November 7, 1963. The archivists at the JFK Library have no information on why the tapings either ended or are unavailable for later dates.

Interesting. Wonder if we'll ever know why...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
FormerLurker posted on 2015-02-26 15:29:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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