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Title: Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
Post Date: 2015-02-22 05:14:25 by Neo TryingtoWarnYou
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The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul

By A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.”  He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface.  That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format.   In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9.  For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9

(12 x 8) + 2 = 98

(123 x 8) + 3 = 987

(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876

(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765

(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654

(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543

(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432

(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321

Amazing, isn’t it?  I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost.   I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity.  In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man.  This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways.  Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space.  This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic.  Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”

WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH?
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:

“Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.”

Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking.  In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas.  I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage.  The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual.

With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed.  As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God.  Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced.  The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked.  Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.

The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same.  Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations.  By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.

Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them.  This truth is self-evident.  Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”

The purpose of this essay is threefold:
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/

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#1. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

Dude, math quiz's on a sunday morning is why you get very little replies on 4um. But seriously, I watch most of the vids you post. Try joining the conversation sometime. Some of us would probably enjoy engaging you.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-02-22   8:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

I generally click on your posts and occasionally post a comment when moved to do so.

But for the majority of the active contributers here, the subject matter of your posts isn't new news. We've been hashing it out for a while now.

When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.

It's the bankers fault !
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars
What America needs is the separation of zionism and state

Buzzard  posted on  2015-02-22   9:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

errorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Thanks...

That much beloved world thinker, Ayn Rand, put the above in more direct terms...

"The world masses are but mere lice, with but little right to life".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-22   9:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Buzzard (#2) (Edited)

But for the majority of the active contributers here, the subject matter of your posts isn't new news. We've been hashing it out for a while now.

When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.

Yeah, agree.

As well, time is a precious resource, many of the videos that you (Neo) post are long, and even if they're only 20 minutes they still require time. Having watched a number, most are merely different angles and tacks on the same topics. People don't have time for that. If I'm going to watch a video, and I don't mind watching a 2 or 3 hour video, but it's going to be something educational where I learn something new.

The reason why this forum is so small, apart from the establishment lurkers keeping tabs, is exactly because so precious few people understand things at these levels. I'll address one general group, so-called christians.

You'll hear sermons and lectures about how the world is a spiritual battle in churches and "christian" books all around the country, and people that read and hear those will nod in full agreement. But when you approach them to put some proverbial brass tacks behind those statements they look at you like you're nuts and if that couldn't possibly be happening as such.

So how can people claim to believe in a spiritual war when they completely ignore and moreover dismiss all of the evidence provided for spiritual realms and attacks on them as so-called believers? There is only one answer, they seem to believe that this spiritual battle cannot in any way be understood, which is clearly false, it's all around us.

And as I was educated upon coming here, Judeo-Christian is a term used to coopt Christianity, which is in reality worlds apart from Talmudic Judaism and the New Testament Scriptures make this perfectly, perfectly, clear.

But just as with the fools to whom God gave King Saul, so too, here today in America, fools posing as christians demand and insist on politicizing christianity. The second that happens is the moment that they are spiritually lost. Christ had absolutely no association with politics, spoke against it as being irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, denounced any then current and implicity any future physical reign of any sort whatsoever on this earth.

Yet, the Scofield sect of formalized christianity is the predominant driving force in "christian" politics today, and unfortunately it is aligned with the wrong side in that spiritual war.

So in getting back to my original point, most people want a cause, a team if you will, to be on and root for. This is why we have wars. We convince ourselves that we're right. Take today, we all know that Islam has major issues, but does that give Christians the right to go an obliterate, largely randomly, millions of people globally in the name of Christ? Frankly, that notion is as anti-Christ-ian as it gets, yet, that is exactly what is happening today.

Forget getting down to the how and why of it all, if they cannot get past their personal jackass'd cemented viewpoints, they clearly are not open to the truth.

As the cliched statement from A Few Good Men ... goes, [They] can't handle the truth

Many people are simply not intelligent enough to process certain information. One good example there is that to the average politically oriented American, things are boolean in nature, either "good" or "bad." So everything muslim is bad, but everything American, which by default is "christian" and "God's nation," completely contrary to the evidence mind you, and yet these people cannot figure out why nary a single muslim in this country has gone out and mass killed people, but for some reason the majority of the millions of women and children, most of whom were merely concerned with the same daily living challenges that we are, were all intent on finding their way over here to blow us all up.

I'm sorry, but what sort of a moron actually believes some idiotic thing like that. That's merely one example of a mass failure of people to be able to parse information for purposes of dissecting it to get to the core truth.

I realize that there's an overlap with the original post, just sayin' and putting some reality to the theory.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   9:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Katniss (#4)

I'm sorry, but what sort of a moron

Well thought out, well written, tainted by the above.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-22   9:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

I'm sorry Cyni, I stand by that. Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims, who've barely had any influence in our internal politics at all.

Why not just claim that martians are responsible. Honestly, it's about the same.

Islam has barely an influence in this country, even today with Mr. Islam puppet in office.

The damage is and continues to be done by their main enemy over there in the ME, and one that has coopted our true Christian culture, or at least whatever of it there ever was, and destroyed it much as they've destroyed many other nations similarly over the centuries. That politically powerful political group over here wields more influence than any other and has for decades.

People in this country talk as if they have to live in downtown Mecca. If people would just mind their own f'ing business here few if any of these global issues would even exist.

People in this country are so blinded by the dumbest, most usless, most fleeting crap, both mental and physical, that it's beyond the sane imagination at times.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   10:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

Then again, we are a nation chock full of fools and many people are denser than lead.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   10:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#5)

Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um. I really thought that this red-herring was perfectly transparent to just about everyone here.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   10:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Katniss (#7)

Then again, we are a nation chock full of fools and many people are denser than lead.

I was taught this way...

"There is not a person alive, but what can do something I cannot do, or knows something I do not know".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-22   10:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Katniss (#8)

Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um.

That is understandable.

I accept anyone on a one on one basis.

Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-22   10:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Katniss (#6)

Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims, who've barely had any influence in our internal politics at all.

Why not just claim that martians are responsible. Honestly, it's about the same.

Islam has barely an influence in this country, even today with Mr. Islam puppet in office.

The damage is and continues to be done by their main enemy over there in the ME, and one that has coopted our true Christian culture, or at least whatever of it there ever was, and destroyed it much as they've destroyed many other nations similarly over the centuries. That politically powerful political group over here wields more influence than any other and has for decades.

I couldn't agree more, Katniss. I am more convinced than ever about who is the real ENEMY after having seen Chris Bollyn's extremely well researched Solving 9/11 presentation.

Now buttressing his research, imo, watch this riveting 36 mins video. I believe you will find it fascinating.

Does this Seven Year Cycle of Economic Crashes Predict the Date of the Global Financial Collapse?

http://sgtreport.com/2015/02/doe...lobal-financial-collapse/

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-22   10:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Katniss (#8)

agreed again

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-22   10:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#10)

That is understandable.

I accept anyone on a one on one basis.

Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.

well said!

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-22   10:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Katniss (#8) (Edited)

Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um. I really thought that this red- herring was perfectly transparent to just about everyone here.

I guess you may be referring to me since some of my posts seem to "get up your craw" when I ever say anything negative about Obama and his Muslim Brotherhood or the Satanic cult that goes by the name ISIS. But I don't, and never have, said that ALL muslims are guilty of these crimes against humanity. I know that most people, no matter what group they belong to, simply want to be left alone to live their lives and that there are good and bad in all groups. But if my posts upset you so much, which seems to be the case at times, you have a couple of options. One would be to put me on your filter and then you wouldn't see them or you could just scroll on by. Either way, it's all good.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-02-22   11:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14) (Edited)

Not at all JD, I thought that I made that clear when I stated that I realized that you understood that. You're overreacting.

Your post just got me on the track of this nationwide Islamophobia, and a phobia it truly is. I mean seriously, what political influences does Islam or muslims have in this country that render it influential?

If that were even remotely the case then we wouldn't have this taboo on criticizing the group(s) that have done the real damage to this country.

All that's in the "news" right now, and not that I watch it, but it's damn near impossible to avoid in public establishments anymore (and I all but refuse to patronize establishments that have any of the so-called "news" networks on in their establishments), is this damnable nuke the entire muslim world crap over what, one beheading? One man being set on fire? (FF/not real?)

In the meantime, isn't that the goal, eradicate muslims? So what TF is our braindead news addicted ship of fools doing bitching about one muslim being burned by another in Chicago? Oh wait, that's right, it wasn't in Chicago, or NY, or LA, it was half way around the fucking world.

It's literally unbelieveable the hatred being spawned by the moral idiocy and filth that permeates our mainstream culture via an eletronic mechanism, the TV, that seems to have replaced most Americans brains and certainly displaced their critical thinking skills, whatever there were of them.

And as the poster person for it is a virtual Jesus sitting on top of an M1-Abrahms tank obliterating everyone.

I enjoy your posts, even if there's a hint over overemphasis on the present muslim occupying the White House.

But think about that too, we here all know that the Puppet in Chief is just that, a puppet, so then why are we all wrapped around the axle over a puppet's personal philosophy? Seriously, think about that.

As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, an age-old adage, no?

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   11:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Katniss (#6)

People in this country talk as if they have to live in downtown Mecca. If people would just mind their own f'ing business here few if any of these global issues would even exist.

Thank you, Katniss.

Having lived cheek by jowl with said folks for years, I'm crystal clear on the regressive nature of the civilization they live in.

You might ask, "Regressive by what yardstick?"

I'd suggest by the measure of the other four and a half billion people on this planet who are not Muslim and who have no intention of submitting to Islam.

Most of us have seen the results of the creeping extremism that's taken hold where Islam has the most sway and where religion and the legal system are one.

A few years ago for example, a girls' school caught fire in Saudi and the security guys would not unlock a fire door to let some of the girls escape. They refused to do so because the girls were not properly covered. Several students perished as a result.

Things weren't always this way. In the 1940s, there were still movie theaters in Dammam, and there was even modest wine production in some upland areas of Saudi. The puritanism we see today was in some measure in abeyance. It was the Brits and the Yanks who supported the most regressive tendencies in this part of the world and we've done a lot overtly and covertly to see that the most conservative forces there dominate all others.

But you are right. None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.

And looking for trouble is what we do best.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   11:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Katniss (#6)

Only a fool or a moron would look at the US today and assume that it's been destroyed over the years by Islam or muslims

In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law

It's impossible to ignore the rich diversity Muslim culture has offered Europe. The EU is a sterling example of inclusion. Urp. And now it comes to Dearborn. Having lived among the black cloaked ones in NJ, I can tell you that the American melting pot thingie is something they intentionally ignore, and why a strong willed American women would choose to ignore this Islamic Sharia aberration is beyond me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   11:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Katniss (#15)

In the meantime, isn't that the goal, eradicate muslims? So what TF is our braindead news addicted ship of fools doing bitching about one muslim being burned by another in Chicago? Oh wait, that's right, it wasn't in Chicago, or NY, or LA, it was half way around the fucking world.

Naw ... it could take place on one of your local shopping trips:

A video purportedly released by Somalia-based terror group al-Shabab calls for attacks on the Mall of America and other shopping centers in Canada and England.

The nearly 77-minute video, released online, focused mostly on the conflict between Kenya and Somalia and the deadly attack in 2013 at the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya. Al-Shabab has claimed responsibility for the Westgate attack, in which more than 60 people died.

At the end of the video, an unidentified man dressed in camouflage, with his face covered, calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere.

"If just a handful of mujahideen fighters could bring Kenya to a complete stand-still for nearly a week, then imagine what a dedicated mujahideen in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," the man said. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?"

He said, "What would be the implications of such an attack? One could only imagine. And all it takes is a man with firm determination ..."

Mall of America released a statement in response to the video:

"Mall of America is aware of a threatening video that was released which included a mention and images of the Mall. We take any potential threat seriously and respond appropriately. We have implemented extra security precautions. Some may be noticeable to guests, and others won't be. We will continue to follow the situation, along with the federal, state and local law enforcement and will remain vigilant as we always do in similar situations."

A spokesman for the FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   11:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#16)

But you are right. None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.

And looking for trouble is what we do best.

That's exactly the case. However, I will say, that I've known quite a few muslims over the years, and have some great ones as neighbors. The guy's a former Palestinean with all of his family still there unable to leave, some dead, who think that Hamas (et al) are nuts, but also view them over there as the political minority that they are.

They think that they're nuts just like we might think that the KKK or some other groups here are over the top too. How would we feel if the world defined us by cross-burning and dragging black people around behind cars?

Or how would we feel if the modern image of America was the outright brutal and satanic slaughter of American Indians?

Let's also not define an entire region over one incident at a school.

Or should the world define us by our actions in WACO and consider you, me, and every other American individual as being nuts and worthy of eradication?

See where I'm going?

Either way, we both know why we're in the state we're in in this country and who, which socio-political group, has taken the lead in destroying our American Christian heritage. It was the same one that destroyed it in late-19th and early-20th century Germany.

So not seeing it that way is like blaming the manufacturers of snow shovels for the nation's recent bouts with this absurdly cold weather.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   11:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17) (Edited)

It's impossible to ignore the rich diversity Muslim culture has offered Europe. The EU is a sterling example of inclusion. Urp. And now it comes to Dearborn. Having lived among the black cloaked ones in NJ, I can tell you that the American melting pot thingie is something they intentionally ignore, and why a strong willed American women would choose to ignore this Islamic Sharia aberration is beyond me.

Again JT, I'm no apologist for Islam, but allow me to ask, how many terrorist actions have occurred in Michigan over oh, say the last decade even in or emanating from that muslim rich area?

I mean after all, by all rights of rationality based on what we're taught, shouldn't it be a highly significant number?

In the meantime, I'm really really struggling here to see the difference between muslim atrocities and atrocities committed by a so-called christian nation, and atrocities that put anything we hear about these relatively limited ones to shame statistically speaking.

Again, let's no overemphasize it.

Our truly Christian culture has been destroyed, razed from the ground up. You're not even a Christian morally speaking, so in light of that, I am curious how without any moral standard what the basis is for your dissention, generally speaking. I mean without a moral basis, there is no right/wrong, correct?

Either way, this notion that Islam is going to destroy something that does not exist anymore is a ridiculous and silly argument.

If it does exist still in this country, then as I said before, its icon is a virtual Jesus sitting on top of an A1-Abrahms tank obliterating everyone while shouting "love your enemy" from the tank's pulpit.

Honestly, we're very close to seriously questioning which is better.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   11:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#16)

None of this need really affect us at all except insofar as we stick our noses into affairs that are none of our business or insofar as we import millions of Muslims into Western countries which heretofore have hosted such people in very small numbers. In either case we are looking for trouble.

And looking for trouble is what we do best.

Good post. If the douchebags in government weren't constantly fomenting and agitating in order to gin up another war for the benefit of the bankers, the MIC and their own personal stock holdings, and mind their own business there would be far less trouble in the world. And if/when the people in the Middle East got tired of the brutal thugs beheading and burning people alive I suspect they could take care of that problem.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-02-22   11:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

In a surprise weekend vote,

Who was it that saw to it that said element was imported into this country (and into Europe) in unprecedented haste and numbers in our lifetimes?

Did I miss something? Did millions of Americans write their elected representatives to say, "Please, please Senator, open the floodgates of immigration to millions of people from Muslim countries!"

Did I miss out on that political phenomenon, or was there something else at work?

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   11:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Katniss (#20)

IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade. They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an organized religious bone in my body.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   11:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge (#22)

You've missed nothing and what you're seeing is the intentional Balkanization of America. See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique, specifically his chapter in immigration, for a clear picture .

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   11:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Katniss (#19)

Let's also not define an entire region over one incident at a school.

Or should the world define us by our actions in WACO and consider you, me, and every other American individual as being nuts and worthy of eradication?

Absolutely not. Let's not define whole peoples by the actions of a few.

One of my best friends is a Turkish guy. He had to leave his country because of political harassment. He's a Muslim, but his business ventures were not considered politically or religiously correct by those currently in power. In some ways it was not safe for him to continue living over there. He's since become an American citizen. I've known lots of great people over there and over here that are/were Muslim.

My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak.

No, I'd hate to be judged as an American by the example of other Americans who drag a guy in chains to his death behind a pickup truck because he is black. I'd hate to be judged that way, but I am.

I'd also hate to be judged by the kind of retrograde regimes and dictatorships we've sponsored around the world, but lots of folks do.

And there you are.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   12:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

See Prof. MacDonald's The Culture of Critique

Thanks for the title, JT.

I will look into it.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   12:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pridie Nones (#18)

Naw ... it could take place on one of your local shopping trips:

With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far?

Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all.

I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim.

Astronomically!!

As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here.

I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria.

I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.

Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   12:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull, Katniss (#23)

They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes.

holocaustianity.com

Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   12:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: randge (#26)

www.prometheism.net/library/CultureOfCritique.pdf

Chapter 7, pg 240.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   12:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

Thanks. You beat me to it!

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   12:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deasy (#28)

www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

This was a beaut!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   12:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pridie Nones (#18)

At the end of the video, an unidentified man dressed in camouflage, with his face covered, calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere.

"If just a handful of mujahideen fighters could bring Kenya to a complete stand-still for nearly a week, then imagine what a dedicated mujahideen in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," the man said. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?"

He said, "What would be the implications of such an attack? One could only imagine. And all it takes is a man with firm determination ..."

BTW, that's a fantastic example, how easy would it actually be to do that?

Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention.

So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already?

Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear?

At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country?

And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size?

At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things.

Here's a short two-question quiz?

1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans?

Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.

2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.

Get the point?

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   12:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence. (And still nowhere near the scale of German city destruction during WWII.)

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   12:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

IMO the controversy has been created and fostered by ppl above our pay grade. They are quick to reject barbaric acts by Islam, while simultaneously pushing forward crimes seemingly committed by Christians; the bombing of abortion clinics, and other assorted “hate” crimes. Take this FWIW as I haven’t an organized religious bone in my body.

I know you don't, and I respect you for coming clean on that just to let you know.

Your right about perceptions being fostered by people above our pay grade, but the old adage, do you believe everything you hear (read, see) certainly applies here.

I mean who cares what they foster, if we, as independently thinking individuals via critical thinking and reasoning to ourselves either validate or dismiss what we hear, and dismiss it as we should, it would have no control over us.

The problem is that people simply don't want to know. They're too lazy to dismiss the current paradigm consisting of satanic fantasies and to intellectually form another paradigm because it takes knowledge (that disrupts their entertainment regimen), time (same there), and mental effort (that they're too lazy to expend) in order to do so.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   12:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: randge, All (#25)

My point about the burning school building that the girls died in is that we should be cognizant that we very much support regimes where discrimination, repression and sectarian domination are realities today. One does not have to go far to find example of excess or barbarities that take place under Sharia law in those places as we speak.

Allow me to ask you a question, two questions in fact.

First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO?

Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   12:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deasy (#28)

Muslims have never come close to anything on the scale of this.

Certainly not in modern times they haven't.

Even on an individual scale, as I just asked randge, I fail to see the difference between that shool incident with the girls in Saudi Arabia and WACO. Until someone can explain the difference, if you ask me WACO was far more heinous, and it was government sponsored, meaning that the rest of the world truly could have tagged all Americans as having supported it and rightfully so.

Imagine if the world's media had been promoting that day and night for years, and then OKC, and then our cop killings and beatings, etc.

The big difference is that those things never even make the news here much less anywhere else for the most part. Boy, I wonder why, because it's not as if the fox is guarding the henhouse on that one or anything. (sarc)

That looks like a very interesting site.

It's all about the perceptions, and Americans are so lost without being told what to think by someone else that our media works like the charm that those that run and own it had planned. I have no doubt that they're beyond satisfied with their contrived "news & information" propaganda network(s).

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   12:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Katniss (#36)

It doesn't look like Islam made much of a dent in the world's population so I doubt that its conquering period slaughtered anything on the scale of Allied bombing during WWII: www.english-online.at/geo...rld-population-growth.htm

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   12:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deasy (#37)

That is a great link to the Holocaust, thanx.

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-02-22   12:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deasy (#33)

Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence

The Japanese atrocities, and there are many, can be laid at the feet of a people who thought a living man was a god. Not a good combo there. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   12:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Katniss (#35)

First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO?

Is it enough to say that both events are emblematic of regimes whose days are numbered?

Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine.

That's an interesting and complex juxtaposition and I'm not sure that I can do it justice in the degree of detail you'd like. I don't want to get too graphic about my friend here, except to say that those who try to sponsor Western culture on a medium to large scale in Turkey can find themselves on the opposite sides of the law as far as local and regional authorities go. I suppose that there are similarities between that situation and the Christian Identity churches that the FedGov was trying to infiltrate by entrapping innocents like Randy Weaver.

Plain political harassment.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   12:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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