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Title: Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
Post Date: 2015-02-22 05:14:25 by Neo TryingtoWarnYou
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The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul

By A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.”  He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface.  That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format.   In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9.  For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9

(12 x 8) + 2 = 98

(123 x 8) + 3 = 987

(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876

(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765

(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654

(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543

(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432

(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321

Amazing, isn’t it?  I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost.   I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity.  In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man.  This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways.  Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space.  This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic.  Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”

WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH?
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:

“Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.”

Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking.  In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas.  I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage.  The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual.

With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed.  As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God.  Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced.  The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked.  Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.

The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same.  Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations.  By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.

Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them.  This truth is self-evident.  Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”

The purpose of this essay is threefold:
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/

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#126. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

Revolta looks like a combination vampire and werewolf getting the feel of a beautiful previously unused neck. Do you think he was uglier before or after he got old?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-02-24   9:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: NeoconsNailed (#126)

That picture is disturbing. After all the years playing in Hollywoodland, he's clearly morphing into something very dark and evil.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   9:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Jethro Tull (#127)

Are you sure the teeth aren't photoshopped in to look like fangs? They don't look entirely original.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-02-24   11:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: NeoconsNailed (#128)

Are you sure the teeth aren't photoshopped in to look like fangs?

Nope, not sure at all.

As a Premium member of the hollywoodland cult, anything is possible.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-24   14:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: All (#0)

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-04-17   19:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#130) (Edited)

You don't get a lot of replies because you are mean to everyone.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-04-17   19:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: randge (#16)

Things weren't always this way. In the 1940s, there were still movie theaters in Dammam, and there was even modest wine production in some upland areas of Saudi. The puritanism we see today was in some measure in abeyance. It was the Brits and the Yanks who supported the most regressive tendencies in this part of the world and we've done a lot overtly and covertly to see that the most conservative forces there dominate all others.

That is a very powerful statement and it must must MUST be seriously noted. Washington takes situations that are normal or achieving normalcy and hammers them into a mold of polarization -- "either you're with us or with the terrorists" and all that crap.

"Civil rights" is another perfect example. Before pointy-headed liberals took a notion that blacks and whites needed saving from themselves, blacks were coming into their own naturally -- black colleges, black business districts in cities, black entertainment et al. Not good enough -- no break- in point for demagogues! So they got the races at war with each other and fanned the flames of hate and resentment against whitey, leading directly to the hellish situation we see today.

Causing strife in foreign counties as you describe is a tactic simpler as pie down through history. That the US and UK should stoop that low, much less make it permanent policy, is despicable.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-17   22:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: randge (#25)

No, I'd hate to be judged as an American by the example of other Americans who drag a guy in chains to his death behind a pickup truck because he is black.

Just incidentally, we were lied to about that affair as with Trayvon, Ferguson et al. Of course I agree with your point that amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-17   22:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: NeoconsNailed (#133)

Just incidentally, we were lied to about that affair as with Trayvon, Ferguson et al. Of course I agree with your point that amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one.

Can I borrow your walrus?

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-04-17   22:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#114) (Edited)

DELETED US HISTORY, PART I:

America sent 2,000 troops to Russia around 1915 (I can't remember the exact year (I graduated from college 10 years ago...) I believe it was between 1912-1918) to aid the then Russian Czar against a Communist/Bolshevic uprising/revolution. Not only did the Communists win (as everybody knows), they SLAUGHTERED ALL 2,000 AMERICAN TROOPS! Not a single American serviceman returned after being deployed to Russia around 1915!

Thanks for noting that history in your posting for us. Some adjustments to the data with additional info:

Polar Bear Expedition - Wikipedia | Pic: Historical Marker with details | Pic: Monument | Excerpts:

The Polar Bear Expedition (also known as the Northern Russian Expedition, the American North Russia Expeditionary Force - ANREF or the American Expeditionary Force North Russia - AEFNR) was a contingent of about 5,000 [5,500 - Historical Marker ref. linked above] United States Army troops that landed in Arkhangelsk, Russia as part of the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War and fought the Red Army in the surrounding region during the period of September 1918 through July 1919.

The U.S. President Woodrow Wilson sent the Polar Bear Expedition to Russia in response to requests from the governments of Great Britain and France to join the Allied Intervention in North Russia (also known as the North Russia Campaign).

Following the Allied Armistice with Germany on November 11, 1918, family members and friends of the ANREF soldiers began writing letters to newspapers and circulating petitions to their representatives in the U.S. Congress asking for the immediate return of the ANREF from North Russia. In turn, the newspapers editorialized for their withdrawal and their Congressmen raised the issue in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, aware of not only the change in their mission, but also of the Armistice on the Western Front and the fact that the port of Arkhangelsk was now frozen and closed to shipping, the morale of the American soldiers soon plummeted.

During their time in North Russia, the American forces suffered more than 210 casualties, including at least 110 deaths from battle, about 30 missing in action, and 70 deaths from disease, 90% of which were caused by the Spanish Flu. [citation needed] A October 1919 report gives the casualties as 553: 109 killed in battle; 35 died of wounds; 81 from disease; 19 from accidents/other causes; [244 dead] 305 wounded and 4 POWS {released}

After they returned home, the Polar Bear veterans lobbied their state and Federal governments to obtain funds and the necessary approvals to retrieve the bodies of more than 125 U.S. soldiers who were known to have been left behind in North Russia. Hampered by the lack of diplomatic recognition between the United States and the Soviet Union, it took many years before they finally received permission. An expedition under the auspices of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) was successful in organizing and conducting a recovery mission in the autumn of 1929 that found, identified and brought out the remains of 86 U.S. soldiers. Another dozen remains of ANREF soldiers were shipped by the Soviet Union to the U.S. in 1934, which reduced the number of U.S soldiers still buried in North Russia to about 30.

4um Title: The Polar Bear Expedition: US/Allied Forces ordered into Russian Revolution/Civil War at close of WWI with YouTube Playlist collection of posted videos: Polar Bear Expedition: US/Allies ordered into Russian Rev + other linked videos and info at the topic. Excerpts:

Post #4: American doughboys found themselves, early in September of 1918, after a long, slow trip from England through the icy waters of the Arctic Ocean, disembarking at the Russian port of Archangel - and more than half of them no sooner ashore than they were, with astonishment, packed off to "the front" to fight "the Bolos" - which was to say units of the Soviet Red Army.

Post #5: They would ask their officers for the reason they were fighting Bolshevik soldiers in Russia and would not receive a specific answer other than they must fight to survive and avoid being pushed into the Arctic Ocean [My note: something about that sounds like it has a Zionist accent] by the Bolshevik army.

Post #2: [Eventually, some of our Polar Bears] were on the verge of mutiny in Russia because their mission was a mystery to them, other than to be heldover there to be attacked. The U.S. Ambassador to Russia said something to them to the effect that they were there to help the emerging government, which shortly emerged from the Red Bolshevik forces that were were attacking them.

Post #3: These men were called to brave the cold arctic snows and fight long battles in temperatures of sixty-degrees below zero, under the midnight sun of arctic Russia. ... When WWI ended, these men expected to be immediately called home, like all other regiments around the world. That call, for these men, never came. They were left to fight a savage enemy in Northern Russia eight [or more] long months after WWI had ended. ... They became one of the most highly decorated regiments in all of WWI.

Post #5: They remain the only American force to directly engage Russians in war.

Post #6: To understand what the United States was fighting for, one must look at the events preceding the war [in Russia]. In 1917, Russia was fighting a total war against Germany. This put all their resources onto the frontlines of the World War, as casualties were great on the Eastern Front. ... [The rise of the Communists] concerned the Allies, as the Bolsheviks would pull Russia out of the War eventually and Germany would then direct their attention on the Western Front, something the Allies couldn't afford.

the demand of the Allies, including the United States, that Russia should renew and reinvigorate her [WWI] war effort (bluntly expressed by [the Root Commission] in the formula "no fight, no loans") ... [was] in conflict with the other [supposed] major aim of American policy toward the Provisional Government - namely, that the [Anti-Bolshevik] experiment in constitutional government should proceed sucessfully.

the pressure of the Allies to keep Russia in the war [against Germany] proved in the end the very thing the American government wanted least, ... that which Washington and [Ambassdor] Francis feared most, the accession of the Bolsheviks.

Post #7: 4um title, The Root Commission Formula: "No fight, No Loans" [WWI to crurrent times] Typo correction: [WWI to current times] - Excerpts:

Post #2: Pre-WWI stagecraft

Post #3: Online info on The Root Commission and its "financial policy" dictats of [World] War as a requirement for loan approval is scarce but leads to the Communist Manifesto, the First [Communist] Internationale's executive committee, and [Communist] Samuel Gompers (a Labor Union organizer

Samuel Gompers and the American Federation of Labor ... [Communist Gompers supported Pres.] Wilson's [WWI] preparedness policies [to] gain a voice for the AFL in executive branch defense councils ... in 1917 he was appointed to the Council of National Defense, an organization created to prepare the country for possible involvement in the war. ... He obtained AFL representation on the Root Commission, a council of emissaries whose purpose was to travel to Russia to encourage it [i.e. pressure it financially] to stay in the war.

And so, our Polar Bears and the White Russian/Anti-Bolshevik/Anti-Communist Provisional Government that they were trying to help there (until long after WWI was over) were basically undermined by Wilson and his Commie insiders/financiers/etc.

Edited formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-04-18   9:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: All (#115)

*AGE OF DECEIT* (FULL) Fallen Angels and the New World Order

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-07-27   8:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Dakmar (#134)

Didn't David Lee Roth jump over the Walrus on stage one time in the early 1980's? Or was that just Ziggy Stardust stealing Grace Slick's mushrooms??

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-07-27   10:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-11-05   11:10:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Cynicom (#10)

Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.

Including judging every poster on 4um as a group. We're all individuals here. Contrary to what some have claimed, we don't group think here.

christine  posted on  2016-02-19   16:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#3)

Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um

Because you're not handsome and charming as I am.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-02-19   16:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Turtle (#140)

Because you're not handsome and charming as I am.

When you get as many rough miles on your carcass as I have, you will just be a splat in the road.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-20   15:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Cynicom (#141)

Unanswered questions:

Does (or did) Neo ever get fewer replies than others?

Where'd Deasy go?

Bunch of nice calm work by JT here. How to get him back?

Why do I get so few replies anymore? Or as Neo put it, 'very little "REPLIES"' :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-20   17:20:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: All (#142)

Oops, #142 was intended for "All", not just Cyni.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-20   17:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: NeoconsNailed, JT, 4 (#142)

Yes, it would be great to have Jethro back here with us, his life experiences brought good insights to 4.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-20   17:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Lod, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, 4 (#144)

I hope I'm not breaking any rules here.

I sent JT a PM here shortly after the site came back up; sort of a health and welfare check. He eventually gave me a kind reply. You, too, can do the same.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-02-20   17:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: All (#144)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-20   17:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Fred Mertz (#145)

That's great, I've done the same; good job and thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-20   17:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Fred Mertz (#145)

I wrote him too. Everybody write him in case he drops in.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-20   18:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Buzzard (#2)

When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.

An active point-counterpoint session on 4um is a good, long thread with lots of discussion. Sometimes we get one like that. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-20   18:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Cynicom (#3)

"The world masses are but mere lice, with but little right to life".

This is true in Monarchy's and tyranny's, but should not be true in the U.S.A. Even though of late it has been difficult to keep one's head above water for just the same reasons as you would encounter in both the aforementioned environments. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-20   18:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Turtle (#140)

Because you're not handsome and charming as I am.

I was handsome when I was younger, and was told I looked like Robert Redford (Sundance Kid), or Lech Walesa. Take your pick. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-20   18:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: BTP Holdings (#151)

Not Beaver Cleaver? I'm shocked. :-)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-20   18:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Lod (#152)

Not Beaver Cleaver? I'm shocked.

Not the Beave. LOL

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-20   18:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Lod (#146)

Great vid, Lod. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-20   18:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: BTP Holdings (#151)

I was handsome when I was younger, and was told I looked like Robert Redford (Sundance Kid), or Lech Walesa. Take your pick. ;)

At 16 I looked like Garth Algar.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-02-22   11:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Turtle (#155)

I suspect you looked like you.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-22   11:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Turtle (#155)

christine  posted on  2016-02-22   12:07:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: christine, Turtle (#157)

ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-22   18:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: NeoconsNailed (#133)

amerika's moral record can be an extremely disheartening one.

But when you got to kick a lot of butt and throw people out at concerts, it was all worth it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-22   18:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: BTP Holdings (#159)

Well, you're one of the lucky ones getting it out of your system that way all those years!

Got any good Firefall or Orleans stories? 2 of the greatest platters ever, almost bookends

www.youtube.com/watch? v=S5aMMRes2u4

www.youtube.com/watch? v=_wyR1basFYg

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-22   21:24:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: NeoconsNailed (#160)

Is there a guy named Ostracises, or something? I could not find him anywhere.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-22   21:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: NeoconsNailed (#160)

If you're wondering about the number of replies, ask why do I get so few replies. Otherwise, the replies could be small.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-22   21:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Lod (#162)

I did -- #142. There were no replies :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-22   21:52:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Lod (#161)

Is there a guy named Ostracises, or something? I could not find him anywhere.

No. Should there be?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-22   21:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: NeoconsNailed (#164)

Yes, if there was a process of Ostracism, there should be a guy, a cult, or a group, by a similar name. How else would they so name it?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-22   22:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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