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Title: Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
Post Date: 2015-02-22 05:14:25 by Neo TryingtoWarnYou
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The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul

By A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.”  He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface.  That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format.   In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9.  For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9

(12 x 8) + 2 = 98

(123 x 8) + 3 = 987

(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876

(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765

(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654

(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543

(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432

(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321

Amazing, isn’t it?  I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost.   I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity.  In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man.  This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways.  Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space.  This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic.  Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”

WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH?
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:

“Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.”

Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking.  In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas.  I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage.  The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual.

With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed.  As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God.  Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced.  The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked.  Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.

The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same.  Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations.  By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.

Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them.  This truth is self-evident.  Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”

The purpose of this essay is threefold:
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/

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#37. To: Katniss (#36)

It doesn't look like Islam made much of a dent in the world's population so I doubt that its conquering period slaughtered anything on the scale of Allied bombing during WWII: www.english-online.at/geo...rld-population-growth.htm

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   12:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deasy (#37)

That is a great link to the Holocaust, thanx.

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-02-22   12:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deasy (#33)

Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with European-on-European violence

The Japanese atrocities, and there are many, can be laid at the feet of a people who thought a living man was a god. Not a good combo there. It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   12:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Katniss (#35)

First, explain for me the differences between that school and WACO?

Is it enough to say that both events are emblematic of regimes whose days are numbered?

Second, explain to me, in quite a bit of detail, the difference between your Turkish friend and the Weavers? Besides the latter being dead and your friend still alive that is. If you need info on the Weavers, and I doubt that you do, ask Christine.

That's an interesting and complex juxtaposition and I'm not sure that I can do it justice in the degree of detail you'd like. I don't want to get too graphic about my friend here, except to say that those who try to sponsor Western culture on a medium to large scale in Turkey can find themselves on the opposite sides of the law as far as local and regional authorities go. I suppose that there are similarities between that situation and the Christian Identity churches that the FedGov was trying to infiltrate by entrapping innocents like Randy Weaver.

Plain political harassment.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   12:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine (#11)

Yeah, that's interesting. I guess we'll find out soon.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   13:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.

INdeed.

Because of that, Japan was the only country to come out of WWII "a winner".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-02-22   13:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: randge (#40)

Plain political harassment.

And you see no significant political harassment here?

I'm trying to figure out why you view this with such differences.

In my mind the only reasons why Americans focus on these things as such is because one is paraded in front of them day and night for weeks if not months while the other is covered up with Americans being too fool to think about it and/or too lazy to take the time to do so prior to running down the hall with their pants and hair on fire while shooting everything that moves.

I see no practical difference in those things. With different media coverage America could be the exact same global pariah that these ME nations are.

As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both. As is usual, Americans think that WACO was some sort of christian criminal policing act when there's nothing further from the truth and are too lazy and therefore willfully ignorant and/or too intellectually incompetent to reason through the transparent nature of it otherwise.

An innocent person killed is an innocent person killed. When we start playing God, as we've been doing for decades, particularly given our moral position, or should I say immoral position, then that becomes the only difference, namely how those perceptions are managed and put forth, reinforced, etc.

It's funny, I'll bet that if you posted a nationwide poll, or polls, asking these two questions, that the fears would be more in line with #2.

1) How afraid are you of actually being killed by a muslim led terrorist attack in your own nation?

2) How afraid are you of being incarcerated, harmed, or possibly even killed by the government or its henchmen (LE)?

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   13:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Katniss (#43)

As to WACO and the school, I find equal or comparable tragedy in both.

I think you've misread me entirely. Perhaps I haven't expressed my sentiments clearly enough.

I am in complete agreement with what you've said here.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   13:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Katniss, christine, 4 (#41)

I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son.

Too many Hale Bobs to count over the centuries...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-22   13:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Katniss (#27)

With all of the muslims living within the US why do you think that this has not happened thus far?

Beats me. DHS claims the BIG issue is all about so-called "patriots." And so, just about anyone goes scott-free except for those wearing a libertarian badge.

Because we're shattering, I mean world-class shattering, the odds of this happening here given what we're taught about it all.

America is not "shattering." America is "coalescing." Nothing more to the social phenomena that is taking place all around the world.

I mean the odds of being beaten to death, while completely innocent, are astronomically higher than the odds of being burned to death by a muslim. Astronomically!!

As Hillary Clinton infamously said, "What difference at this point does it make?" If you are beaten, killed, maimed, robbed, harmed, by any group, it really doesn't mean too much to seek comfort about who may have attacked you, does it?

As in something's not lining up with mainstream teachings and education here.

What is that?

I mean allow me to ask, where on your list of your fears of being killed does an attack by a muslim rank? ... here in America I mean, not if you walk the streets of Syria.

Beats me. Honestly, I have not considered the issue until your question just above. I am more concerned about the US government permitting Muslims from known terro cells to freely migrate to America that may do the damage that you address. We have an evil government that is HELL bent in destroying the fabric of America.

I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.

The US government is not Christian. It never was.

Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things.

Give an example. Another Katrina?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   13:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deasy (#28)

Thanks for the link, Deasy. Good stuff there.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-02-22   14:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Katniss (#32)

Federal buildings have absurd levels of security, but anyone can still walk into just about any, if not any outright, shopping mall in America today with a duffle bag full of whatever they want probably with little to no attention.

As a US tax payer, that is the entirety of what you get for your hard earned dollar; it is popularly called: public safety. Full protection of government and employees and none for the little guys/gals on the streets. With a wee bit o' luck, you should feel secure that your government is secure.

So allow me to ask, in nearly two years, why has this not happened already?

I have no idea about how criminal minds operate. I can't answer your question.

Are we really to believe that we think that muslims believe that they're really going to get a bigger bang (pun intended) for their buck by contriving something complex like a school incident? Or by trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear?

The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T

At some point, and IMO this point was years ago shortly after 9/11, we have to begin asking ourselves, why are these things not happening given that the doors are wide open for it right here in our country?

Silly question. Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama.

And correspondingly, when they do, why is there always enough evidence to suggest that the skids were greased by ushering someone around all of our complex security procedures by Feds while some kid's having a finger shoved up his ass by some psychotic TSA worker with an IQ less than the kid's underwear size?

Your question is phrased with total ignorance and assumptions.

At some point intelligent reasoning people with sound critical thinking skills begin asking these things.

Please pose a "question" worthy of a response. So far, your conjectures and aimless discussion goes into the brink.

Here's a short two-question quiz?

1. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America in a terrorist incident wrought by a muslim terrorist bent on killing Americans?

Rank you answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.

I am much more worried about US government agents stealing my money called "taxes" or their black-booted thugs kicking down my doors. Still, I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons? (3)

2. How concerned are you about being killed or otherwise harmed in America by anyone but a muslim extremist/terrorist, particularly by elements of the establishment. Again, rank your answer from 1 to 10 with one being entirely unconcerned and 10 being so concerned that you look every way when leaving your home.

It doesn't matter about who kills me. The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control.

Get the point?

No, I don't.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   14:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”

Skip ALL so called "veils," and PASS GO. Collect your Eternal Life.

Like all great lies and propaganda, shards of truth are injected into this narrative. Including Jesus' quote, “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free” is the only "truth" that matters.

The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications...

Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here. "He's dead, Jim. Do not PASS GO. Go straight to jail (for eternity.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pridie Nones (#48)

The associative property about terrorist Muslims is going to "stick" forever. T

Thanks to the kikes.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   15:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

It took a heavy dose of gamma rays for them to lose that notion.

I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   15:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Katniss (#43)

...and almost every day we get the forwarded e-mail about '12 muslim men/airplane/telephones/kicked off plane/etc. There are many here in the U.S. whose agenda tells us to believe that Muslims would prefer to kill 15 Muslim girls rather than letting them be disgraced by improper clothing. Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94WsjWKQ3U

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod - Jake's best pal.

Bub  posted on  2015-02-22   15:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

I think this a case of "ignorance is bliss."

For all the knowledge of the first 3 or 4 veils, what good does it do us if there's nothing one can do to change it?

Evil and greed and power have always been at odds with virtue and God's commandments. What people must accept: This world is steeped in darkness. Salvation is gained not through "knowledge."

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deasy (#50)

Thanks to the kikes.

????

Thread subject:

The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Buzzard, Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#2)

When one preaches to the choir, one should expect more nods of agreement rather than an active point-counterpoint session.

There's plenty of meat on this bone. Just sayin'.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#53)

Salvation is gained not through "knowledge."

Yes it is, if that knowledge is that of what is right and what isn't.

Following the path of righteousness includes not harming any creature, and actually living the "Golden Rule".

The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FormerLurker (#56)

The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG.

I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#10)

(another poster) "Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um."

Ok. NOW I see how and where this thread went off the rails.

Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.

That may depend on how large a "group" it is. How large a "group" are Muslims?

Why blame any one group for following the Koran TO A TEE? Afterall, it's a "Religion of Peace." Even Dubya Bush said so. So did Barr-O.

Wouldn't want become paranoid (cells) over any silly Sharia Law (coercion) or goofy Caliphate (conversion-by-the-sword) plans.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pridie Nones (#57)

I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?

It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pridie Nones (#48)

Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama.

True.

But once that 3% becomes 10%, Muslim nests become huge problems, don't they? Exhibit "A-Z": Europe.

I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons?

To cause chaos. To divide and conquer. To destroy America s heritage and traditions. To destroy America's identity.

The re-locating of unskilled Third World Muslims to places like Minnesota and Maine is...beyond bizarre, and counter-intuitive. Instead of preserving the security of this nation, this unauthorized Big Goob airlift accomplished nothing more than destabilizing the security and stability of your town, your neighborhood, our nation.

The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control.

Exactly the case and tactic.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#60)

Lib,

Have you noticed that the issue with "Muslims" only started when the US became involved with extracting oil from the Middle East, and funding Israeli aggression against its neighbors?

Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deasy (#51)

I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)

You know what they say about ppl who keep lists :)

Somehow you took my addition of the Rape of Nanking as a challenge to your post despite evoking WWII without qualification. Did you want to discuss the European theater alone and further limit that to the actions of the allies?

Ground rules please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   15:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#49)

The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications...

Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here.

I agree.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-02-22   15:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#14) (Edited)

I guess you may be referring to me since some of my posts seem to "get up your craw" when I ever say anything negative about 0bama and his Muslim Brotherhood or the Satanic cult that goes by the name ISIS.

I've noticed obvious brush backs by a particular defensive poster IN THE NAME OF ISLAM are rift. I don't think such ham-fisted tactics works well at this forum. Maybe 4um has a Muslim poster, eh? Could explain a lot.

Yes, and you are 100% right about 0buma, the Muzzie bro-hood and ISIS. Apparently you're one of and those parrots "who would slander Islam."

I don't, and never have, said that ALL muslims are guilty of these crimes against humanity. I know that most people, no matter what group they belong to, simply want to be left alone to live their lives and that there are good and bad in all groups.

You qualified your opinion concisely. Some people read ONLY what they want. MSNBC agenda-driven propagandists and apologists are special -- they never have to say they're sorry.

Games and one-track red herring poseurs -- haven't the time or inclination to entertain them.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#59)

It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.

A rather cryptic post, FormerLurker. The Golden Rule is about social concepts and considerations. It is about etiquette. It has little to do with survival and so ... where is your line in the sand about RIGHT vs. WRONG when the issue is about survival as opposed to crumppets and tea at snack time with social graces?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations?

Since you have a computer and appear somewhat literate and capable; please take a peek around the Internet to answer your own question. There are plenty of instances about Muslim barbarism throughout history.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pridie Nones (#65) (Edited)

You're wrong. The Golden Rule is about treating other creatures as you would have yourself treated by others. There's nothing complex there, and it has little to do with etiquette. In other words, would you like to see your life and your hopes extinguished by others who think they have the right to do so?

Same goes for harming innocent creatures who are simply trying to live their lives, human or not.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pridie Nones (#66)

Ok, I just read about that. Not saying there haven't been criminals and thugs across time, there always have been, but they are not isolated to any specific religion.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)

Explain the Golden Rule.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Pridie Nones (#66)

BTW, what religion was Christopher Columbus? I know the answer and I'm sure you do as well. That is what people mean by "faux Christians", those who wear the label on their sleeves, but act nothing at all as what would be truly a Christian.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Pridie Nones (#69)

Explain the Golden Rule.

I already did. Are you unfamiliar with English?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Pridie Nones (#71)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

And I suppose Christians and Jews never did any such thing, right?

Nor did Rome and Egypt have their share either, correct?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   16:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Pridie Nones (#69)

Explain the Golden Rule.

Some people might be familiar with the following phrase...

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   16:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um

NeoTryingtoWarnYou:

As to your original query, the reason that you may not be getting the response to your posts that you expect has to do with your typical choice of topic. Most posters here have a mature and pretty much settled world view with regard to the kind of existential, spiritual, religious topics you often select as subjects of your posts.

Posters that visit this forum a lot vary widely in their views of those "existential, spiritual, religious topics" and lots of us are a little older now, have seen and participated in all the flame wars that topics like that can engender. Many no longer have the stomach for that kind of encounter.

Right now what interests people here most is the "what's what" and "who's who" of current events. (As you see in the replies in this thread.) Many are more concerned about what kind of world their kids and grandkids will live in than what sort of system will bring them salvation. As far as the latter question goes, most posters here have already found a satisfactory personal answer.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   16:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: randge (#44)

I am in complete agreement with what you've said here.

Yeah, I must've misread you then.

Sorry 'bout that.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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