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Title: Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um
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Published: Feb 22, 2015
Author: Don Harkins
Post Date: 2015-02-22 05:14:25 by Neo TryingtoWarnYou
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The 9 Veils Placed On Every Human Soul

By A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the eight veils. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.”  He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface.  That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format.   In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9.  For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9

(12 x 8) + 2 = 98

(123 x 8) + 3 = 987

(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876

(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765

(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654

(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543

(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432

(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321

Amazing, isn’t it?  I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost.   I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity.  In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabala showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man.  This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways.  Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space.  This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic.  Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”

WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH?
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:

“Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.”

Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking.  In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas.  I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage.  The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual.

With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed.  As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God.  Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced.  The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked.  Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.

The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same.  Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil. The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations.  By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.

Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them.  This truth is self-evident.  Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”

The purpose of this essay is threefold:
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration” SOURCE with thanks Francisco Valero Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10152736736912569/

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#57. To: FormerLurker (#56)

The path of righteousness is not that of SELF-righteousness, but doing that which is RIGHT vs WRONG.

I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#10)

(another poster) "Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um."

Ok. NOW I see how and where this thread went off the rails.

Accepting or denying any group is fool hardy.

That may depend on how large a "group" it is. How large a "group" are Muslims?

Why blame any one group for following the Koran TO A TEE? Afterall, it's a "Religion of Peace." Even Dubya Bush said so. So did Barr-O.

Wouldn't want become paranoid (cells) over any silly Sharia Law (coercion) or goofy Caliphate (conversion-by-the-sword) plans.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pridie Nones (#57)

I suppose you can set the "line in the sand" for the difference between RIGHT vs. WRONG. Care to comment?

It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pridie Nones (#48)

Muslims represent no more than 3% of the population in America and that is all because of GWBush and 0bama.

True.

But once that 3% becomes 10%, Muslim nests become huge problems, don't they? Exhibit "A-Z": Europe.

I have no idea why the US government is involved with importing Muslim nationals from all over the world and re-locating them in my neighbourhood. Do have a clue about the reasons?

To cause chaos. To divide and conquer. To destroy America s heritage and traditions. To destroy America's identity.

The re-locating of unskilled Third World Muslims to places like Minnesota and Maine is...beyond bizarre, and counter-intuitive. Instead of preserving the security of this nation, this unauthorized Big Goob airlift accomplished nothing more than destabilizing the security and stability of your town, your neighborhood, our nation.

The terror is psychological in nature. In all cases, the US government is in command and control.

Exactly the case and tactic.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#60)

Lib,

Have you noticed that the issue with "Muslims" only started when the US became involved with extracting oil from the Middle East, and funding Israeli aggression against its neighbors?

Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deasy (#51)

I've already put you down on the Shabbos Goy list, JT :)

You know what they say about ppl who keep lists :)

Somehow you took my addition of the Rape of Nanking as a challenge to your post despite evoking WWII without qualification. Did you want to discuss the European theater alone and further limit that to the actions of the allies?

Ground rules please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-02-22   15:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#49)

The first few veils are valid and compelling. Until we get to the inevitable re-definition of "narrow is the road" to get to heaven, which winds up as just another "Tree of Knowledge," a la Adam and Eve.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications...

Caromed off the rail and over a cliff right here.

I agree.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-02-22   15:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#14) (Edited)

I guess you may be referring to me since some of my posts seem to "get up your craw" when I ever say anything negative about 0bama and his Muslim Brotherhood or the Satanic cult that goes by the name ISIS.

I've noticed obvious brush backs by a particular defensive poster IN THE NAME OF ISLAM are rift. I don't think such ham-fisted tactics works well at this forum. Maybe 4um has a Muslim poster, eh? Could explain a lot.

Yes, and you are 100% right about 0buma, the Muzzie bro-hood and ISIS. Apparently you're one of and those parrots "who would slander Islam."

I don't, and never have, said that ALL muslims are guilty of these crimes against humanity. I know that most people, no matter what group they belong to, simply want to be left alone to live their lives and that there are good and bad in all groups.

You qualified your opinion concisely. Some people read ONLY what they want. MSNBC agenda-driven propagandists and apologists are special -- they never have to say they're sorry.

Games and one-track red herring poseurs -- haven't the time or inclination to entertain them.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   15:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#59)

It's pretty simple. Evaluate the Golden Rule, if what you are about to do follows it, then it's the right thing to do, and if it doesn't follow it, then it's the wrong thing.

A rather cryptic post, FormerLurker. The Golden Rule is about social concepts and considerations. It is about etiquette. It has little to do with survival and so ... where is your line in the sand about RIGHT vs. WRONG when the issue is about survival as opposed to crumppets and tea at snack time with social graces?

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Prior to WWII and the boom of the oil industry, how many acts of terror were launched by Muslims against civilians in western nations?

Since you have a computer and appear somewhat literate and capable; please take a peek around the Internet to answer your own question. There are plenty of instances about Muslim barbarism throughout history.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pridie Nones (#65) (Edited)

You're wrong. The Golden Rule is about treating other creatures as you would have yourself treated by others. There's nothing complex there, and it has little to do with etiquette. In other words, would you like to see your life and your hopes extinguished by others who think they have the right to do so?

Same goes for harming innocent creatures who are simply trying to live their lives, human or not.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pridie Nones (#66)

Ok, I just read about that. Not saying there haven't been criminals and thugs across time, there always have been, but they are not isolated to any specific religion.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)

Explain the Golden Rule.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Pridie Nones (#66)

BTW, what religion was Christopher Columbus? I know the answer and I'm sure you do as well. That is what people mean by "faux Christians", those who wear the label on their sleeves, but act nothing at all as what would be truly a Christian.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

Pridie Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Pridie Nones (#69)

Explain the Golden Rule.

I already did. Are you unfamiliar with English?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   15:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Pridie Nones (#71)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

And I suppose Christians and Jews never did any such thing, right?

Nor did Rome and Egypt have their share either, correct?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   16:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Pridie Nones (#69)

Explain the Golden Rule.

Some people might be familiar with the following phrase...

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   16:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

Why I get very little "REPLIES" on 4um

NeoTryingtoWarnYou:

As to your original query, the reason that you may not be getting the response to your posts that you expect has to do with your typical choice of topic. Most posters here have a mature and pretty much settled world view with regard to the kind of existential, spiritual, religious topics you often select as subjects of your posts.

Posters that visit this forum a lot vary widely in their views of those "existential, spiritual, religious topics" and lots of us are a little older now, have seen and participated in all the flame wars that topics like that can engender. Many no longer have the stomach for that kind of encounter.

Right now what interests people here most is the "what's what" and "who's who" of current events. (As you see in the replies in this thread.) Many are more concerned about what kind of world their kids and grandkids will live in than what sort of system will bring them salvation. As far as the latter question goes, most posters here have already found a satisfactory personal answer.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-02-22   16:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: randge (#44)

I am in complete agreement with what you've said here.

Yeah, I must've misread you then.

Sorry 'bout that.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Pridie Nones (#65)

Where is your line in the sand about RIGHT vs. WRONG when the issue is about survival as opposed to crumppets and tea at snack time with social graces?

Lol...

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   16:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Pridie Nones (#71)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

CHECKMATE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   16:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Lod (#45)

I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son.

Too many Hale Bobs to count over the centuries...

Well, a financial collapse, and even ruin of America, doesn't necessarily mean the end. I realize that a good many people in our country seem to think that the US is the fulcrum of Christian morality, but it's nothing more than a Sodom/Gomorrah right now.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jethro Tull, Deasy (#62)

Somehow you took my addition of the Rape of Nanking as a challenge to your post despite evoking WWII without qualification. Did you want to discuss the European theater alone and further limit that to the actions of the allies?

Ground rules please.

Microwave. Popcorn. Chair. 5-4-3...

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   16:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Lod (#45)

I'll stick with no one knows the time, not even the Son.

Giddy-up.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-22   16:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Katniss (#79)

Correct.

The "end of Amerika" and the end of the world are likely two separate events.

But, who except the Father knows?

I won't waste my time speculating about the unknowable.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-02-22   16:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

You know what they say about ppl who keep lists :)

You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking we bumped Neoconned Hell Warmer's thread a few too many times. He's going to take it as a compliment.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-22   16:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Pridie Nones (#46)

The shattering comment was not re: the country, you missed the context of that.

I would argue that it's coalescing though, I'd suggest that it's only coalescing when it comes to compliance with government mandates. The people themselves are diffracting. There's hardly any unity anymore.

You seem to have completely missed the entire context of what I was communicating.

I am more concerned about the US government permitting Muslims from known terro cells to freely migrate to America that may do the damage that you address. We have an evil government that is HELL bent in destroying the fabric of America.

This is exactly what I'm talking about and you come across as if you are young, are you young, say 35 or younger? Otherwise you should know better.

The fabric of this country is already destroyed. Anyone that does not have an establishment funded job, which includes a good chunk of the "private" sector too, knows this, full well.

It is destroyed, it's gone, long gone, yet Islam/muslims had little if anything to do with it. A simple awareness of 20th century history makes this beyond clear. Unfortunately due to the propagandized public school education that most people get these days, true history is not taught. What is taught about 20th century history is missing the most key pieces and otherwise has little resemblance to reality except superficially.

The US government is not Christian. It never was.

It had a whole lot more Christian influence the further back we go. The world in general is not Christian, Jesus made this clear, despite the insistences of many so-called christian leaders.

Either way, it is anti-Christ-ian today. It was not always anti-Christian to be sure.

"Americans, generally speaking and myself included years ago prior to all of the new media, are fearful of the most unlikely things."

Give an example. Another Katrina?

Americans have an irrational fear of muslim terrorism in this country. Why? Purely because of a lie, a charade, called 911.

Otherwise I just laid it all out, read it again, this is a waste of time having to write this all twice.

Bottom line is that no one in this country is threatened by a muslim extremist terrorist.

AGAIN, the odds of being beaten, killed, or other by our own LE in this country is hundreds of time, if not thousands, greater than any possibility of being harmed by a muslim terrorist.

Any such fears are irrational and into the psychotically driven national paranoia. But we're all about groupthink in this country. i.e., if 100M people believe it then it can't be wrong.

It's tragic!

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Bub, All (#52)

Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor:

You do realize that was another lie that we've been fed, right?

As to muslim men being kicked off of planes, I'm not aware of these e-mails, but simply because they've been kicked off does not mean that they meant harm.

There are lots of people on the no-fly list that wouldn't hurt anyone, some for political reasons only. In essence that's meaningless.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Lod (#82)

The "end of Amerika" and the end of the world are likely two separate events.

But, who except the Father knows?

I won't waste my time speculating about the unknowable.

Well, they may or may not be.

I'd guess that if we escalate into nuclear war, that that could very well be right around the time of the end.

I'm more looking towards the spiritual state, which is a barren wasteland these days, as a sign of the end.

Katniss  posted on  2015-02-22   16:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator, Pridie Nones (#78) (Edited)

Muslims were the GREATEST human slave traders of all mankind's history.

CHECKMATE.

I guess for one who thinks the MOST important lesson from the Gospel is nothing more than a joke about crumpets, I can see why you would be a gullible tool who thinks that Muslims are the ONLY ones who ever GREATELY traded in slaves.

If it weren't for so-called "Christians", there would not have been a flood of African slaves whose descendants have overwhelmed our "safety net".


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   16:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#77)

Lol...

BTW brave one, aren't you hiding behind the "filter"?

So do you truly feel that the Golden Rule is a joke, something you can ignore because your pastor doesn't mention it much?

To you, being a Christian is all about "believing in Jesus" while you're out there killing those damn "muzzies" for him, right?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-02-22   17:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Liberator (#64)

You qualified your opinion concisely. Some people read ONLY what they want. MSNBC agenda-driven propagandists and apologists are special -- they never have to say they're sorry.

I try to make my points clearly. Thank you.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat

James Deffenbach  posted on  2015-02-22   17:10:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Katniss (#8)

Also, I'm highly discouraged to be reading all of the blame associated with Islam and muslims here in 4um.

The physical terrorism that those backward/inbred savages perpetrate upon non- muslims in the West is a more immediate threat than the long-term financial/cultural terrorism done by the Red Sea Pedestrians. Islam is Judaisms thuggish little brother and Mossad is NOT behind ALL of the violence.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-02-22   18:39:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0)

You did it !

You got a beauty going here ! Best thread in days !! LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2015-02-22   20:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: X-15 (#90)

Muhammadanism is a plantatation for female slaves and slack jaw knuckle dragging 'men' !

Amen !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2015-02-22   20:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Katniss (#27)

I'm thousands if not tens of thousands if times more worried about my own "christian government" doing that to me, or trying to send me to some camp for refusing to pay some medical insurance company $20K/year, more than most mortgages, for something that I don't need, don't want, and will rarely if ever benefit from.

Yep. Me too. Qualifying and the government that controls the USgov.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-22   20:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Katniss, Bub (#85)

Reminds me of the Kuwaiti girl who testified about the incubator babies thrown onto the hospital floor:

You do realize that was another lie that we've been fed, right?

Bub definitely realizes that.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-02-22   21:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#0) (Edited)

You're really breaking the fourth crystal ball here. But maybe I can summarize the situation even better: communist Jews are eating our guts out, stealing our money, homes, souls and future, and we're all going to end up Etruscans unless this is stopped.

If everybody would seriously focus on this fact and point it out to others - - doesn't have to be full-time for every individual -- the evil system would collapse in on itself, without the need of a revolution in the usual sense. It's already well underway if we choose to seize it as such. Just needs more ACTION on everyone's part! SUFFICIENT INFORMATION ALONE in the hands of the people could take this country anywhere it needs to go, and then we could start improving the rest of the world (if we must) by EXAMPLE and INSPIRATION rather than force.

Everybody is looking for solutions "somewhere out there" -- something nice and abstract and cut off from obvious immediate perils like this. One of my active compatriots is a 60+-year-old Sunday schooler. He says the only thing that will work is to drive out all Bible versions except the King James. Millions are looking for a restoration of the Constitution to save us, but even the great Ron Paul is dead wrong if he thinks that will work without naming and confronting the very faulty document's main destroyers. I point out the obvious facts to people, e.g. the Extreme Court being 1/3 Jew and every Fed chairman being a Tribesman, and they just look at me without saying anything. I can pose the obvious, glaring, Socratic questions for 15 minutes straight and they just look at me benignly as if I'm just known for these Tourette attacks.

It's the Jews, and it's got to be dealt with. Anybody not fully plugged into it is seriously cut off from reality. It would be especially nutty to look the other way from it in this site, one of the very few where the Jew curse is discussed openly, maturely, and presentably. In other countries you go to jail for doing so; in the Un-Tied States where we have mch more freedom on the subject, a third of a billion people are pretending they don't know about it. Gee, I can't wait to see what the response to this post is.... maybe more deafening silence?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-02-23   2:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Rotara (#92) (Edited)

Muhammadanism Christian/Jewish Zionism is a plantation for female slaves and slack jaw knuckle dragging 'men' !

Without these savages there would be no ongoing Mideast crisis. Fixed a spelling error, too. Muslims are way more civilized than yids and their Christian supporters. And I'm not paying any compliments here. Most Muslims are civilized; you can't say the same for Christian Zionists. Jews, well they're programmed to kill anything that gets in their way.

Deasy  posted on  2015-02-23   3:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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