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Title: Is There Anyone Here Who Doesn't HATE What US Has Become?
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Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: lod
Post Date: 2015-03-01 21:41:24 by Lod
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#1. To: Lod (#0)
5+ years ago this graphic was a prediction, now it's reality:

X-15 posted on 2015-03-01 21:57:08 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#2. To: X-15 (#1)
So true ~ US just don't know how to say NO! FUCK NO! to illegals.

Lod posted on 2015-03-01 22:01:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Lod (#2)
Problem numero uno for us:
The Government is OUT OF CONTROL.
Blame it on the muslims, blame it on Obama, blame it on those south of the border that come here, blame it on those on the government dole, blame it on whatever, but until the blame game shifts, ...
It's not one man, it's not one or even a few issues.
These are all merely symptoms, not the root cause. There will be many more severe symptoms to come barring some kind of correction of the actual problem.
The blame game merely keeps people preoccupied. Meanwhile, the core problem isn't even on the radar of the public. The vast propaganda network is doing its job perfectly.

Katniss posted on 2015-03-01 22:24:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Katniss (#3)
Blame it on the Jews. Without them, most of the issues besetting us wouldn't even exist, much less be so drastic. No exaggeration, no "bigotry" -- FACT.
For those that ain't got the guts, blame it on the Republicans. They're guilty as hell for fooling more of the people more of the time. THAT situation brings in the bizarre angle of people knowing they're being swindled and loving it -- people know the establishment lies all the time yet they believe it faithfully, e.g. every presidential election (Charlie Brown/Lucy/football).
Republicans have been bludgeoning conservatives with abuse, tyranny, and treason for ages. There is nothing conservative about the GOP's actual agenda and voting record in Congress, but people still vote for (for instance) Flimsey Graham because "at least he's not a DEMOCRAT." "At least" -- a great, banal, moronic phrase to inscribe on America's tombstone when she finally gets one because they change her name to something that doesn't evoke 18th-century slave owners.
America is a monster. America is the new Zimbabwe in terms of racial destiny and the new USSR in its quaint habit of eating other countries for breakfast. Actually we're worse than the USSR, because I don't recall that it used "depleted" uranium or actively tortured the Baltics or Poland for decades. It only took the Soviets 9 years to realize their mistake in Afghanistan, so we're already stupider and more evil than they are by half in that regard.
In all the evil motives the USSR had for bludgeoning Afgh and Eastern Europe, I don't ever recall hearing that it was partly or significantly in order to keep their economy going through production of war materiel. Even Vlad the Impaler's got nothing on us – we do worse than impalement to people, we give them a living death in various forms of gulag and support of Israel (but I repeat myself).

NeoconsNailed posted on 2015-03-02 5:19:14 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#8)
As you implied, blame Americans for falling prey to this Charlie Brown/Lucy/football political environment that you mention.
It's really the very few, hidden, out of sight pretty much, at the top. There's a reason why the Fed doesn't reveal its owners.
It's definitely the Zionist core that controls that. It's a spiritual battle, but even so-called christianity has been coopted for the effort. When geolographical land needs to be "preserved" for an earthly reign of Christ that Jesus himself denied would ever happen, then it can only come from Satan much as Satan attempted to fool and coopt Jesus.
It's not the Jewish populace, there are many individual Jews that oppose Zionism.
Having said that, I have no doubt that the "Star of David," an occultic symbol and having absolutely nothing to do with David, was deliberately chosen for all of the ways in which 6 is represented therein. So-called christian churches that have it in their midst should be ashamed to say the absolute least.
There is a world of difference, literally, between true Scriptural Christianity and Talmudic Judaism. Most Jews however are not Talmudic anymore than most muslims only offer superficial lipservice to their religion, or for that matter than most people claiming to be christian also merely render lipservice as well.
Most people are beyond wilfully ignorant however. That's on them. They have plenty of time to post on facebook or other social media sites, plenty of time to load up their schedule watching 10, 20, or 30 hours of TV each week, not including "news" programming, etc., plenty of time to educate themselves on what the celebrities are doing and wearing etc., but they don't have enough time to educate themselves as to how they're being used as the tools that they are.

Katniss posted on 2015-03-02 9:56:32 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Katniss (#12)
Are willfully & stupidly the same?
I'm having a difficult time deciding which is the problem...

Lod posted on 2015-03-02 10:10:03 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Lod (#13)
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but it's an interesting question, isn't it?
I think about stuff like this all the time. Here's how I view it.
Stupid is stupid, many people are stupid. Here's the dictionary definition of stupid:

: not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things

: not sensible or logical

IMO there's a fine line between being stupid and lacking wisdom and no doubt with some overlap.
There's an IQ scale for a reason. Someone in the 2nd standard deviation range of the IQ scale, on the lower end that is, would seem to be stupid. We can debate over where that dividing line is, but consider, 100 is supposedly average with 50% falling above and the other 50%, or thereabouts both ways, falling beneath average. Statitically just over 30% are lower than the 1st standard deviation, again, the low end.
The dictionary definition of Willful(ly) is as such;

: refusing to change your ideas or opinions or to stop doing something

: done deliberately

Willful is people so attached to their political philosophy that they've lost some or all sense of objectivity.
One really good example of losing some or all of one's sense of objectivity is how most people justify how what they're taking from the government in terms of benefits and monies is OK, it's really what the others are doing that's the problem. This is also not a Christian trait, rather, it's hypocrisy.
I'll give you just one in a myriad of examples.
Take the average government contractor that makes maybe $150K/year in money that comes from what many will say is taxpayer money, but which I'll say is further debt at this point since taxes come nowhere near paying for what the government does, and the whole fiat currency system aside otherwise.
But that person contributes to the MIC or to some other aspect of the government which in every likelihood contributes to their own oppression. e.g., let's say that are on the teams that create the tools used by the police state or military to conduct their death and killing.
For those people to slam on those on welfare for taking for doing nothing is hypocritical. It's also purely willful for them, which means that they harbor these views deliberately, and also refuse to change their ideas or opinions or to stop doing something, which is the full definition of willful.
The core problem in not only this country, but with humanity in general, is that people are not interested in the big picture, they align themselves with something, a "team" let's say, and once they become a team member, they refuse to listen to anything that is not sunshine up their ass about either themself or their team. They justify exactly what they're doing and thinking and condemn everyone else's opinions and thoughts not to mention actions. These are the types of people that claim to be Christian by then support a good many of the very things that Jesus and Scripture speak against. Life is full of such examples, superficial and otherwise.
Let's take one very good political example;
Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists, right?
Well who wants to be with terrorists, right? What's the remaining choice?
OK, so now we've all joined that team, or most of us, the willful a/o stupid ones, since the intelligent and objective ones examine further options that were not given. Either way, the vast majority of people never even considered that those weren't the only two options, presumably we can agree on that.
How many of those "team members" have renounced that "team" and taken a more objective view of the situation? Not too many IMO since this "terrorism" card seems to keep reaping rewards. "Thank you for your service" is among the most popular idiomatic phrases these days, but people iterate it without even the slightest thought about it. The implications of that alone are monumental in this particular discussion.
Anyway, a tremendously open-ended question. Thoughts?

Katniss posted on 2015-03-02 10:40:58 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Katniss (#15)
Most people are beyond willfully ignorant however.

My bad for not posting the sentence that started me thinking...do people really choose to be ignorant? or by their stupid actions do we judge them to be willfully ignorant?
I'm not sure of the difference, if any, but somehow I believe it's there.

Lod posted on 2015-03-02 10:57:58 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#19. To: Lod (#18)
do people really choose to be ignorant? or by their stupid actions do we judge them to be willfully ignorant?

IMO, we all use the word propaganda w/o understanding the full impact it has on our lives. It's sophisticated, pervasive and responsible for much of the mass manipulation we see and it's important to note that WE aren't exempt from its influence. Our moral compasses are hard wired at an early age, at least mine was. Our last semi-clear thinking generation lived w/o TV, Hollywood, Zionism and organized religion.

Jethro Tull posted on 2015-03-02 11:16:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Lod (#18)
My bad for not posting the sentence that started me thinking...do people really choose to be ignorant? or by their stupid actions do we judge them to be willfully ignorant?
I'm not sure of the difference, if any, but somehow I believe it's there.

Boy, this could be a tremendously good thread and highly educational for anyone that partakes. I know I'm interested. Let's develop this.
I was actually thinking about this while driving around yesterday. Let's take some specific examples. Let's start with some low-hanging fruit.
Let's take the people on videos being interviewed by people like Mark Dice asking them what they think of (and just making stuff up here) say Hitler's invasion of South America, with people responding seriously.
Clearly they're either not intelligent or ignorant. If they're ignorant, would you say that it's willful? Because that's a pretty big thing to not understand, and something that's taught at pretty much all levels in grade school, the angles and takes on it all aside.
Still yet you have people, mostly young, that know what most celebrities are doing/wearing/saying, etc., but that don't know what the three branches of government are, pretty trivial stuff. Or to take it out of the context of politics, don't know that Canada is to our north or similarly that Mexico is to our south. What are they?
I'd guess that a lot of them are stupid, the 30+% below the 1-standard deviation on the south side of the 100 IQ. And if you caught that, I just defined stupid as anything outside the statistical 68% ranging from the lower 1st s.d. on downward. Was that proper?
What is "stupid," at what point does a person get classified as stupid.
This could be a very lengthy discussion. LOL
But let's digress a bit, let's take Sean Hannity. Is he stupid? Clearly not. He's too well-spoken and obviously not uneducated or unintelligent. Still, he's a neocon shit faucet. Is he ignorant, or simply a paid shill & liar?
Either way, he chooses to do what he does, and he clearly believes the 911 story. If/when it becomes popular to see it as the charade and FF that it was, he too will talk about it as if "we didn't know at the time," etc. Could be lying, but I don't think so. He strikes me as more of a willfully ignorant type, choosing to remain oblivious to the facts because he gets most of his info from mainstream sources like most Americans. If that weren't the case it wouldn't be termed mainstream, right?
Some people, when put in front of a Mark Dice type of microphone, make it clear that they're stupid. Take that, what was it, Miss America contestant from SC, and her "we need to give education to Africa" (or whatever it was) comments e.g. She's clearly not bright and well below 100 IQ. Stupid? Depends upon where we draw that line. Clearly not intelligent however, leaving few other options.
It's funny, people, as well as people that consider other people, often will not classify some other people into one of two boolean categories, but at the same time they hesitate to put them into the other. This is a prime example.
To me if someone lacks intelligence, then they're stupid. Quite simple with perhaps only a marginal amount of gray area in the middle somewhere. i.e., not stupid but hardly intelligent kinda thing.
John Hagee, stupid, or willfully ignorant? To me clearly the latter. He's so self-absorbed in his well-paid role of wolf in shepherd's clothing, that he cannot see the truth, he'll miss it if it hits him square in the eyes, as it has done in Scripture. Yet, he thinks contrary to the truth.
Now, I'd say that he's also not the brightest person, but not stupid. Perhaps you disagree, IDK. So he's clearly willfully ignorant.
Here's a key one IMO. Let's take anyone that gets paid by government. Let's single out teachers and workers/employees of the MIC. (big government defense corps, there are numerous)
Many claim to be conservatives, many are neocons that while missing true conservative & libertarian core tenets, gripe about government spending nonetheless.
But they all conveniently ignore the fact that they themselves are in those ranks. So how do they do that while complaining in good conscience? I ask, I was among them and cannot do so. So I'm highly qualified to ask this and condemn them for it given their political takes on liberty, or the assault thereof.
Most of them are not unintelligent, although I know some really stupid teachers that simply have a gift with young children and anyone can teach via rote. I also know some fairly not-so-intelligent government contractors. I know or have known, a good many of truly unintelligent government workers, the government is chock full of 'em. People that would be on the low rungs were it not for the government overpaying them for something.
So are the teachers and gov contractors stupid? Or more willfully ignorant?
I'd suggest the latter, with a bit of moral hypocrisy in them. They ignore how government spending has helped them, but for some reason they, and the other tens of millions of teachers and government contractors, not to mention government employees in the agencies and depts. that they support, directly, are part of the problem. See how that works?
Cops aren't intelligent, we know that, they deliberately hire for a lack of intelligence, it's on record, so they get what they want. Are cops stupid? Depends upon the definition, but yeah, I'd say that a good many are. In fact, I'd say that there are quite a few people south of that 1st s.d., in essence, the bottom third or so of people in this nation intellectually speaking, work for the the government(s), either as government employees, teachers, or cops. Those jobs hardly draw the intellectual capital of the world. Little thought is actually required for most of that work, most is simply the following of instructions after extensive training/indoctrination.
Thoughts?

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