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Title: Last 2 (Doolittle) Raiders give congressional medal to Ohio museum
Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram/Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/n ... /national/article18849732.html
Published: Apr 18, 2015
Author: Dan Sewell/Associated Press
Post Date: 2015-04-19 15:01:25 by X-15
Keywords: Doolittle, Japan, WWII
Views: 172
Comments: 15

CINCINNATI —

The last two "Doolittle Tokyo Raiders" presented the group's Congressional Gold Medal for permanent display at a the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force on Saturday, 73 years to the day after their daring bombing attack on Japan rallied Americans in World War II.

Retired Lt. Col. Richard "Dick" Cole, age 99, gave the medal to the museum's director in a ceremony at the museum near Dayton attended by military and political officials and relatives of the original 80 Raiders. The medal, awarded by Congress earlier in the week, arrived in a ceremonial B-25 flight.

"We proudly hand over our Congressional Gold Medal to (museum director retired Lt. Gen.) Jack Hudson, who we trust will respectfully guard it and have it securely displayed ... for the world to see and appreciate," Cole said.

Cole, a Dayton native, was mission leader James "Jimmy" Doolittle's co-pilot for the B-25 bombers' attack that stunned Japan and lifted American spirits less than five months after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Retired Staff Sgt. David Thatcher, 93, came from Missoula, Montana, for the event, and said the medal was for all 80. Cole came from Comfort, Texas.

Cole recalled wryly Saturday that on the evening of April 18, 1942, Thatcher was on beach in China helping save his crew after a crash-landing, "And I was hanging in my parachute in a tree."

Cole flew with Doolittle in plane No. 1 of the 16 launched from an aircraft carrier. Thatcher was engineer-gunner aboard the 7th plane, nicknamed "The Ruptured Duck," whose crew's crash-landing and evasion of Japanese troops in China was depicted in the movie "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo."

Thatcher, who was played by Robert Walker in the movie while Spencer Tracy portrayed Doolittle, chuckled as he recounted how the Raiders had given little thought at the time of the raid about earning a place in history.

"We figured it was just another bombing mission," he said in a recent phone interview from his home.

In the years afterward, though, he said, they realized: "It was an important event in World War II."

Three Raiders have died since their 70th anniversary reunion at the museum in Ohio, two of them this year.

The latest to fall was Lt. Col. Robert Hite, who died March 29 at age 95 at a Nashville, Tennessee, nursing facility. Hite was also the last of the eight Raiders who were captured by Japanese soldiers. Three were executed and a fourth died in captivity. Three other Raiders were killed soon after the bombing run, as most crash-landed or had to bail out.

Thatcher joined Cole and Lt. Col. Edward Saylor at the museum less than two years ago for a public "Final Toast" in which they lifted specially engraved silver goblets for the traditional toast of their reunions to those who have gone. He and Cole planned to do so again this weekend at a private gathering, now saluting Hite and Saylor, who died in January at 94.

Their medal will join the museum's diorama about their raid. Hudson has pledged their inspirational story "will live on."

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

Out of respect, I would hope no one comes here to call them "war criminals".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   15:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

I don't even think that the few bombs they dropped killed anybody, but the raid did have the successful strategic effect of tying up men/equipment in the Japanese homeland that would have otherwise been deployed across the Pacific Theater.

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X-15  posted on  2015-04-19   16:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

Out of respect, I would hope no one comes here to call them "war criminals".

"War Criminals", no, but given what we know today, to call them naive would not be out of line.

As for today's military: anyone that would wear the uniform of, and fight for, this government is, quite simply, a traitor to their country.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Southern Style  posted on  2015-04-19   16:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#2)

successful strategic effect

The raid had a great effect on Americans and Japanese civilians.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   16:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#1) (Edited)

I don't believe that any regulars here would be that disrespectful.

Your post caused me to look up the chronology of that raid, and I see that the Japanese did put two of the raiders' number on trail for war crimes.

"On 28 August 1942, pilot Hallmark, pilot Farrow, and gunner Spatz faced a war crimes trial by a Japanese court for strafing and murdering Japanese civilians. At 16:30 on 15 October 1942, they were taken by truck to Public Cemetery Number 1, and executed by firing squad." Wikipedia - Doolittle Raid

Doubtful we'll ever know the truth of what happened, but given the mission, the aircraft involved, and their situation, its unlikely that the pilots would have intentionally targeted civilians with cannon fire.

Found this tidbit on Wiki also:

Doolittle and his crew, after parachuting into China, received assistance from Chinese soldiers and civilians as well as John Birch, an American missionary in China. As did the others who participated in the mission, Doolittle had to bail out but fortunately landed in a heap of dung (saving a previously injured ankle from breaking) in a paddy in China near Quzhou. Doolittle felt the raid had been a terrible failure because all the aircraft were lost, and he expected to be court-martialed on his return.[27] He subsequently recommended Birch for intelligence work with Claire Chennault's Flying Tigers.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-04-19   16:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Southern Style (#3)

to call them naive would not be out of line.

Yes, it is way out of line, however as a personal opinion, it remains just that.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   16:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#5)

Doubtful we'll ever know the truth of what happened, but given the mission, the aircraft involved, and their situation, its unlikely that the pilots would have intentionally target civilians with cannon fire.

They were lucky to FIND Tokyo, let alone discriminate civilian from military.

The raid did indeed have the desired effect. One or two Japanese Generals either committed suicide or were shot. Memory is foggy on that.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   16:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#6)

Tremendous guts. Men of iron. As my uncle used to say, "real Americans." The like are fewer and fewer to be found.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-04-19   16:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#5)

Good information - thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-19   16:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#5) (Edited)

a war crimes trial by a Japanese court for strafing and murdering Japanese civilians

IIRC, the B-25's only had the twin .50's in the upper turret. The rest of the ship's guns being deleted to save weight for additional fuel, amongst many modifications to strip weight. The upper turret guns could not be lowered beyond flat level. Later variants were turned into gunships, but the Doolittle Raiders were all about carrying enough fuel to reach China.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-04-19   17:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#8)

Tremendous guts. Men of iron. As my uncle used to say, "real Americans." The like are fewer and fewer to be found.

That is apparent even here on 4UM.

There is a long trail that Japan followed leading up to Pearl Harbor and WWII. Such never happens over night.

The first warning was sounded back in 1897 that Japan would some day be moving South militarily, at our expense.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   17:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#10)

IIRC, the B-25's only had the twin .50's in the upper turret.

Well, there you are.

The Doolittle Raid was an awful humiliation for the Japanese military. Not only had the B-25 attacks revealed strategic gaps in Japanese posture, Japanese defenses failed to lay a glove on Doolittle's aircraft. Indeed, the B-25s even succeeded in shooting down several Japanese fighter planes. The Japanese had to do something to save face. Bad luck for captured American fliers.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-04-19   17:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randgeX-15 (#12)

Our 29s were stripped of all turrets except the tail.

Hell of a way to go sight seeing in Russia while naked.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-04-19   17:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15 (#0)

have it securely displayed ... for the world to see and appreciate,

Well, I don't think the *whole* world will appreciate it!

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-04-19   17:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#14) (Edited)

Well, I don't think the *whole* world will appreciate it!

I certainly don't. It only entrenches amerikans in their worship of uniforms and killing machines. Just think of the kiddies that will read of this medal stuff in their Weekly Readers or whatever and be told what a NOBLE thing war is. The USG gets to puff its chest yet further and reassure itself World War Jew was the "good war" -- the works.

I'll call these gentlemen war criminals -- accessories at the very least -- because that was a criminal involvement in the internal affairs of other countries we had no obligation to save, kill or paint polka dots on. Such "heroes" greatly helped and are still helping, even if dead, to insure amerika will be a warmonger beast till it dies.

It's an entirely bad picture with no nobility or "honor" about it, seriously lacking in CONTEXT -- that's where I come in. Courage? The Bonus Marchers showed some, and your government showed what it really thought of it. What, you've never heard of them? Meet the real war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Edgar Steele, "attorney to the damned", showed the only kind of courage that should get any medals -- standing up to his own government and the whole Jewish diversity cult being forced upon us in every last department of life. For this he was framed as an intended wife murderer, his home raided and key assets stolen. EXACTLY as in the USSR that we hated and feared all those years for its insane brutality, he -- although perfectly healthy -- was "medicated" to death in a horrendous California gulag. HE STOOD UP FOR THE WHITE RACE, people -- not the G.D. communist Jews in the nonexistent death camps!!!

"Out of respect" -- for what? You, Cynicom? Having pangs about the small businesses, waitresses, churches, French horn players and wedding parties you bombed? That would put you in a small, elite class of fighters -- those capable of self-examination.

Y'all's government has murdered William Cooper and how many others for really achieving something for freedom and truth right here in River City -- yet how many of you even know these names? No medals for them, huh, while Led Zeppelin gets presidential ribbons.

You who've read this, you may now proceed as if you hadn't in your accustomed fashion. But you can't unread it, can you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal#Assassination_theories

http://www.amazon.com/Defensive-Racism-Unapologetic-Examination- Differences/dp/0976125900

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-19   20:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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