I'm not big on 'ambush journalism' and that's not what this was, but when a local KABC TV news crew interviewed me about a local jewelry store crash & grab heist near Los Angeles, I thought I'd have some fun with it. So after their interview I conducted a brief interview of my own, and asked the reporter if he ever heard of another group of bandits who were the only people arrested in New York City on September 11, 2001: The Dancing Israelis!
The ABC7 reporter was Q McCray; a nice professional gentleman. He's described on their website as "a general assignment reporter for ABC7 Eyewitness News." This question about the dancing Israelis was not to disparage him, but rather to illustrate two things: 1. that not many people may even know about these facts, including the people that the public supposedly gets its' important news from; and two, that we can keep these important issues in the public arena, even 14 years later.
"ABC's TV News Program 20/20 did an episode on the matter June 21, 2002,: "Five Israeli men arrested soon after 9/11 might have been working for Israeli intelligence, but likely did not know beforehand about the attacks". They also ran a news story titled The White Van. ABC's 20/20 interviewed a former CIA chief for the segment:
"Vince Cannistraro is a former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the Central Intelligence Agency. Now he's a consultant with ABC News. He says many in the US intelligence community believe that some of the men arrested in the white van were in the US working for Israeli intelligence. They speculate that Urban Moving was being used by Israel as an intelligence front."
I suggest reading the entire transcript of the 20/20 segment because it is very interesting and gives a lot of details. The five Israelis were eventually released after lengthy interrogations: "Sources tell 20/20, after high-level negotiations between Israeli and US government officials, a settlement was worked out." [Article continues here...]
[Note that I do not actually talk so slow, (actually I'm a motormouth) but this was a deliberate ploy to draw the reporter in and get him interested in what I was trying to say- relating it to a robbery- and as you can see, it works like fish to bait. ;-) lol playing 'dumb' or innocent is a very effective way to disarm people.
On CBS Tuesday night there was a report -- originated by its New York station, WCBS -- that a van filled with explosives had been found on the George Washington Bridge. Though men in a van were detained, the vehicle did not contain explosives. Still, CBS said the report was based on trusted sources and the station corrected it when it learned that the report was in dispute.
Yet the FIRST reports from several different sources reported "TONS of explosives" found, that the van was "filled with explosives".
It's not something that somebody could possibly get wrong or misunderstand.
So it's apparent that the coverup was already in play shortly after the initial unadulterated reports.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Tangential to the story, I think this is the time the talking heads all reported that the men in the van were alleged to have "looked like Palestinians".
Can you believe it? I guess there's a minicourse in journalism school where you're taught to tell one Mideastern type from another for this fantastically fine-turned mode of reportry.
Since we know who owns the msm, do you think that anyone would say that the suspects looked like bagel-sniffers?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Oh, bagel-sniffers don't EXIST as a political faction! We're them, they're us, we are the world, they are the world, we are the children, we're in them, they're in us, 'Cause they gave us the love, love that we never haaaaaaad!!!
i have the original fbi reports, not some dubious link entitled 'tiny url.'
don't know what youre trying to hawk there at that website.
it's acknowledged that the jews had explosive materials, and not only the 5 dancing Israelis, but multiple other Israelis in other states in additional vans, who could not explain why they were in states not involved with their moving company route.
along with their smiling photos, and videos, and fake passports and cash. I tried to explain to you, they sued for these items back in federal court, but lost.
since you always defend the government, surely you are entitled to believe that these admitted mossad agents who said they were there to 'document the event' are just hapless innocent bystanders.
but such a position does show a shocking lack of intelligence, and a sadly gullible naivete. to each their own.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
QUESTION: Mayor, do you know anything about the report about the possible resources that they found in New Jersey?
GIULIANI: Yes. I think the Police Commissioner was able to get information about that.
BERNARD KERIK, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: I just got a confirmation from the Chief of Detectives, he's reach out to the FBI. They have confirmed that someone has been stopped in New Jersey, three men in a van. However, there was no explosives in the van. All right. They're being held for questioning.
"possible resources", as the "Questioner" farcically phrased it. LOL And, astonishingly, that's not even the most comical part of the above interviewing, which is that the official vouching that there weren't explosives in the van is NYPD Commissioner, Bernard Kerik (who was indicted, convicted and incarcerated soon after for ethics issues and such).
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
So, if I ask a million 5 year olds if Santa exists that means, of course, Santa exists.
So now the FBI and the NYPD are equivilant to 5 year olds who believe in Santa, eh?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Seems to me like there was something more to it than that.
Of course there was. They were most likely part of the 9/11 operation.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I love how he states that you can't get thru to the FBI or NYPD to verify that very report and then states that it comes from the NYPD who got it from the FBI...and you realize that talking head is neither FBI nor NYPD?
HILARIOUS...tell me again how you don't trust the MSM...
along with their smiling photos, and videos, and fake passports and cash. I tried to explain to you, they sued for these items back in federal court, but lost.
Had you actually read the FBI report then you'd have learned that the FBI actually tried to return those items to them...
And there weren't any fake passports...there was an expired passport or two and a legitimate passport issued by the German embassy in Tel Aviv.
along with their smiling photos, and videos, and fake passports and cash. I tried to explain to you, they sued for these items back in federal court, but lost.
There are people at Gitmo who have done nothing and have been held for years...now who's taking the side of the government?
Which government-side are you taking by comparing the Dancing Israelis' "cell-block" time here to Gitmo? Not America's or New York's, seemingly. Israel's, maybe?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Which government's side are you taking this time by comparing the Dancing Israelis' "cell-block" time here to Gitmo? Not America's or New York's, seemingly. Israel's, maybe?
The truth has no government.
Why would the length of time that a rogue government, and make no mistake the US most certainly was behaving as a rogue in the aftermath of 9/11, have to do with the innocence or guilt of anyone?
That was my point...
Guiliani was a naked opportunist, collected money from the greed heads who couldn't wait for the dust to settle @ WTC before starting to rebuild while felating every mic he could find lamenting the loss that the city had suffered.
Israel is what it is...a money suck to us under, for reasons passing understanding, the guise of being an *ally*...
Why would the length of time that a rogue government, and make no mistake the US most certainly was behaving as a rogue in the aftermath of 9/11, have to do with the innocence or guilt of anyone?
That was my point...
Guiliani was [...] opportunist, collected money from the greed heads who couldn't wait for the dust to settle @ WTC before starting to rebuild while [...] lamenting the loss that the city had suffered.
Israel is what it is...a money suck to us under, for reasons passing understanding, the guise of being an *ally*...
I probably could find an example of Muslims/Arabs being similarly detained at that time for an unconventionally prolonged Q&A period. Am even agreeable in so far as that in itself not being determinant of innocence or guilt. Your assertion at #33 that only one or two of their passports were expired rather does indicate, though, that their entire group was being held as possible 9/11 suspects for some reason or other -- not simply for questioning as Israeli "allies" or just because of immigration issues either. Since your last comment about Israel verily reinforces my procedural points per what you've descriptively sketched of their incarceration situation as akin to Gitmo-ish torment, how about you being agreeable, too, at least on this much?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Your assertion at #33 that only one or two of their passports were expired rather does indicate, though, that their entire group was being held as possible 9/11 suspects for some reason or other...
...how about you being agreeable, too, at least on this much?
...fwiw, also...I don't believe that all of the *ground* support given to the 9/11 hijackers within the US was ever ferreted out...
I'd say "the alleged 9/11 hijackers" but "close enough for government work", you might say, to an agreement on that issue of suspect .gov-insider involvement to whatever extent. : )
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'd say "the alleged 9/11 hijackers" but "close enough for government work", you might say, to an agreement on that issue of suspect .gov-insider involvement to whatever extent. : )
I get off the bus here, for sure...
US Black operators have been, for the last 40 years at least, the Keystone Kops of espionage and intrigue...
Your assertion at #33 that only one or two of their passports were expired rather does indicate, though, that their entire group was being held as possible 9/11 suspects for some reason or other...
...how about you being agreeable, too, at least on this much?
FWIW, I've never disputed that...
Do you have a theory on why their group would have been long detained as 9/11 suspects if not findings of explosives in the van? I'm highly doubtful that it was merely because a witness described them as looking happy instead of shocked about the stricken WTC.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
US Black operators have been, for the last 40 years at least, the Keystone Kops of espionage and intrigue...
Keystone Kops and worse, I'm noting. Thanks for your viewpoint clarification-statement on Black Ops elements here and so forthrightly without sarcastic tinges of "conspiratorial stuff & nonsense".
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Do you have a theory on why their group would have been long detained as 9/11 suspects...
...well...by 25th September the FBI no longer had any interest in them and by the end of October INS had them and deported them...so...I'm not sure *long* is an apt temporal description...
IIRC, the FBI mistook a bank account number for a foreign phone number and that played in to why they were held...
Thanks for your viewpoint clarification-statement on Black Ops elements here and so forthrightly without sarcastic tinges of "conspiratorial stuff & nonsense".
No worries...you're pretty easy to discuss things with...
He was NYPD Commissioner for such a short while -- August 21, 2000 to December 31, 2001 --- that it's like he may have been planted in that office for 9/11 purposes. In 2003, GW Bush appointed him to be the Interim Minister of Interior for Iraq's Coalition Provisional Authority. He was in that office for about 3.5 months, supposedly to rebuild and train their Police departments but the results were questionable; and particularly so in regard to not coordinating enough with the Military, which risked our troops and his trainees being in a confused firefight because of his trainee-guys being unexpectedly mistaken as armed "insurgents". One might think that such managerial predicaments would have deterred Bush from trying to "kick him further upstairs" by nominating him soon afterwards to replace Tom Ridge as the Secretary of Homeland Security but it didn't. As we know, Kerik wasn't the DHS selectee and, as it consequently turned out, he encountered more scrutiny investigatively at that point. Lately, he's reportedly trying to reform the wrongs of our tyrannical crime and punishment system. "Good luck with that," I was taken aback to find myself thinking farfetchedly, villainous though he's been previously, because it definitely does need reforming.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Lately, he's reportedly trying to reform the wrongs of our tyrannical crime and punishment system. "Good luck with that," I was taken aback to find myself thinking farfetchedly, villainous though he's been previously, because it definitely does need reforming.
I think that I posted about his new book and perspective from lock-down; and I agree with your thoughts about him.
The criminal (in)justice system is completely broken.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Glad for the fringe-accompaniment of your opinions about it -- especially since the topic was posted on April Fools Day, which was sort of unsettling when I noticed that. My opinion, oddly enough, has been more along the lyrical "Time" line by Pink Floyd: "quiet desperation is the English way" -- and the way of some Americans too, perioddically, I guess re: the criminal (in)justice system debacles here.
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Bernard Kerik: "Investigation, federal indictment, imprisonment, and release" - Wikipedia excerpt of the last paragraph there
In his first public interview since being released from federal custody, Kerik spoke with Matt Lauer, of the Today Show, and called into question, mandatory minimum sentences which he said are not benefiting society. He authored a White Paper in 2011 that he sent to Attorney General Eric Holder, which outlines his personal observations of the U.S. criminal justice system that he said is in "dire need of repair." The attorney general's office has never acknowledged receipt of the white paper nor commented on this alleged submission.
Path for Kerik's 15-page pdf "White Paper" linked at that Wikipedia section:
U.S. CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN DIRE NEED OF REPAIR, By BERNARD B. KERIK http://www.thekerikgroup.com/uploads/2/3/6/2/23625642/whitepaperfinal.10.31.13.p df
While researching the Kerik issues, I thought you might be interested in this recent NewsmaxTV interview; critical of Al Sharpton and other Civil Rights spokespersons:
Fmr. Commissioner of the NYPD, Fmr. Interim Minister of Interior of Iraq, and Fmr. Senior Policy Advisor to the U.S. Presidential Envoy to Iraq joins Steve to discuss the shooting of two police officers in Ferguson, MO last night during protests.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Bernie's time in lock down may have been a good thing.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Maybe there's not something strange about the lighting effects and lack thereof on the people's attire from that point at 2:20 to 2:40 but it seems to me that more than the Paramedics' jacket patches in that 20 second segment should be reflecting like neon clothing signs from the colorful red, white and blue emergency beam rotations. Specially designed material for EMS/Emergency Medical Services personnel, maybe, and others perhaps eventually.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Do you have a theory on why their group would have been long detained as 9/11 suspects...
...well...by 25th September the FBI no longer had any interest in them and by the end of October INS had them and deported them...so...I'm not sure *long* is an apt temporal description...
IIRC, the FBI mistook a bank account number for a foreign phone number and that played in to why they were held...
Hadn't heard before about a bank account number being confused with a foreign phone number. A Jewish source, the Forward, reported that they were held for 2 and a half months, deported at the end of November. What would be your opinion on why all 5 were deported if (as you posted at #33) only one or two of their passports were expired?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC