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Title: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was "trying to injure himself", document says
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local ... 756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw
Published: Apr 29, 2015
Author: WP
Post Date: 2015-04-29 22:22:08 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 291
Comments: 55

By Peter Hermann April 29 at 9:10 PM 

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray’s death


Poster Comment: Oh boy, another rush to judgement by THUGS.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

A prisoner does not sever his own spine in a paddy wagon.

Lod  posted on  2015-04-29   22:28:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

It wasn't severed, and we have no idea what happened in that van.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-29   22:31:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, All (#2)

This was reported in Canada by CBC on 04/24 i.e. 5 days ago. It's puzzling why it took so long for MSM in the USA to report this news item. Also if it was a rough van ride, why wasn't the other prisoner passenger injured? This case is not as straight forward as the Ferguson case, but there are questions nonetheless that an autopsy and tox tests will confirm one way or the other.

www.cbc.ca/news/world/fre...prisoner-transport-under- scrutiny-1.3047140

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Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   1:06:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2, 4 (#7)

but there are questions nonetheless that an autopsy and tox tests will confirm one way or the other.

I thought of the tox test immediately, they aren't always done. I hope it was in this case. I'd also like to know if he as attempted suicide in the past. But in the end evidence really doesn't matter. It didn't matter with Tryavon Martin, Michael Brown, and countless others. Today judgments are rendered by thugs in the street & supported by people who have no first hand experience with violent, drug addled criminals. For the past 6-years Obama has played them like a fiddle and now the national police force is rolling in Humvees in Baltimore. I saw this end result coming a mile away.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   1:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8) (Edited)

I hope it was in this case. I'd also like to know if he as attempted suicide in the past. But in the end evidence really doesn't matter.

I read that a tox screen will be done.

I have not read about attempted suicide.

But what I did read is that Freddie Gray and his 2 sisters sued the owner of an apartment block for damages they incurred due to lead paint in an apartment they lived in for 4 years when they were children.The owner said any health issues they had were due to their druggie mother and also due to poverty, bad nutrition. Ultimately the apartment owner settled out of court. Freddie and his siblings were about to collect $18,000 each. Lead paint exposure in children can cause mental deficiencies, irritability and aggressive behavior, and impaired bone development.

So Freddie's fragile pre-existing physical and mental health impairments could have been a tragedy waiting to happen, particularly if force was used to subdue his erratic behavior.

I think the end evidence does matter in terms of criminal liability of the arresting officer. A big difference between negligence and murder. I agree the end evidence will come too late for the store owners and innocent bystanders who have been robbed, looted, victimized etc by the lawless thugs looking for an excuse to cause mayhem and violence.

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   2:54:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2 (#11)

I think the end evidence does matter in terms of criminal liability of the arresting officer. A big difference between negligence and murder. I agree the end evidence will come too late for the store owners and innocent bystanders who have been robbed, looted, victimized etc by the lawless thugs looking for an excuse to cause mayhem and violence.

IMO, the mechanics of the Obama/Holder/Lynch Justice system will move forward regardless of evidence. If charges do result, end evidence will mean nothing to at least some members of a Baltimore jury. They've made their minds up and the media will encourage their position.

Civilly, regardless of any exculpatory evidence that might surface, the officers will be forced to defend themselves in court. The personal expense will be enormous and ruin their lives regardless of the worthiness of the suit. Michael Brown's family has just filed a suit against Wilson despite the end evidence which exonerated him on both the State & Federal level.

That's interesting about the lead paint & FG. It's another piece to the case I was unaware of until now. I suspect more will come out. But with or without a poisonings most of the predicate felons in our ghettos are angry, ignorant and mentally unstable. Let me add racist against Whites too. Anyone who is in a position to tells them *no* for any reason will be challenged.

When I just Googled "prisoners who intentional injure themselves while under arrest", the result was - About 11,100,000 results (0.69 seconds). It is far from a new phenomena.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   8:16:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2, 4 (#14)

Lead-based paint was banned here in 1976. Here's more on the Freddie Gray mess -

www.baltimoresun.com/news...ement-20150429-story.html

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   10:19:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod, scrapper2, 4 (#17)

Huh! a per-existing medical condition? Thank god Obamacare covers that now.

Again, I haven't a clue what happened and it's likely we'll never know the complete story, but I think we can all agree that these events are helping to push forward an agenda that is chilling. This Summer is going to be long and hot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   10:30:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

looks like the week-ending take-down of the pm's is on -

www.ino.com/

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30 10:36:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

Huh! a per-existing medical condition?

I did not mean to suggest that the arresting police officers were responsible for knowing about FG's possible medical/mental frailties. Obviously police need to do what they need to do to subdue an aggressive perp.

But what might support a case for negligence is that apparently FG asked for medical assistance when he was arrested, but he was not taken to hospital initially. The Baltimore Police Chief has already confirmed that this happened.Not sure what negligence does to police officers' careers - is it automatic grounds for dismissal if it's a first offense or is it simply written into their files so they are monitored for a year or two thereafter?

Regarding the accusation about lack of seat belt protection, the police union rep already clarified that issue for the media. A new regulation about seat belts came out just 3 days before FG was arrested and the Baltimore police department officers had not had been officially advised about the new rule. Apparently it's not uncommon for a lag of a few weeks between when a new rule is agreed to and published in the procedural manual to when officers on the street get the staff meeting about the new rule. So at the time FG was arrested, the police officers followed the procedures that they were trained on at the time - i.e. seat belts were not necessary. And also from the description about FG's out-of- control behavior at the time, the arresting officers would likely not be expected to use seat belts with FG for fear of getting bitten by him ( FG had a long rap sheet that included several drug related offenses).

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30 13:43:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, All (#18)

The plot thickens.

FG died due to head trauma he incurred in the transport van according to the ME. Severed spine story promoted by FG's stepfather is false.

FG's head injury matches the bolt in the back of van ( its door). It's unknown whether FG deliberately injured himself ( per fellow prisoner's statement about FG willfully slamming his head repeatedly) or whether a police officer caused the injury.

What we can surmise is that FG did NOT get the deadly injury during the initial arrest.

Another intriguing thing - the transport van made a 4th stop in the course of the journey.

If hyperlink doesn't work, pls cut and paste the following url. And be sure to read the reader responses, too.

theconservativetreehouse....-report-a-head-injury-he- sustained-matches-a-bolt-in-the-back-of-the-van-open-discussion-thread/

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30 17:05:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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