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Title: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was "trying to injure himself", document says
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local ... 756d0218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw
Published: Apr 29, 2015
Author: WP
Post Date: 2015-04-29 22:22:08 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 302
Comments: 55

By Peter Hermann April 29 at 9:10 PM 

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray’s death


Poster Comment: Oh boy, another rush to judgement by THUGS.

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#7. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, All (#2)

This was reported in Canada by CBC on 04/24 i.e. 5 days ago. It's puzzling why it took so long for MSM in the USA to report this news item. Also if it was a rough van ride, why wasn't the other prisoner passenger injured? This case is not as straight forward as the Ferguson case, but there are questions nonetheless that an autopsy and tox tests will confirm one way or the other.

www.cbc.ca/news/world/fre...prisoner-transport-under- scrutiny-1.3047140

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Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   1:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2, 4 (#7)

but there are questions nonetheless that an autopsy and tox tests will confirm one way or the other.

I thought of the tox test immediately, they aren't always done. I hope it was in this case. I'd also like to know if he as attempted suicide in the past. But in the end evidence really doesn't matter. It didn't matter with Tryavon Martin, Michael Brown, and countless others. Today judgments are rendered by thugs in the street & supported by people who have no first hand experience with violent, drug addled criminals. For the past 6-years Obama has played them like a fiddle and now the national police force is rolling in Humvees in Baltimore. I saw this end result coming a mile away.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   1:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I saw somewhere he really died from typical ghettonian conditions already nearing critical stages including morbid obesity.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   1:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)

That was the Staten Island pachyderm who, for whatever reason, thought his 31st arrest (that's the actual #) was a bridge too far and resisted. Lots of sympathy for him too. If they only cared as much about decent people who need a hand.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   2:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8) (Edited)

I hope it was in this case. I'd also like to know if he as attempted suicide in the past. But in the end evidence really doesn't matter.

I read that a tox screen will be done.

I have not read about attempted suicide.

But what I did read is that Freddie Gray and his 2 sisters sued the owner of an apartment block for damages they incurred due to lead paint in an apartment they lived in for 4 years when they were children.The owner said any health issues they had were due to their druggie mother and also due to poverty, bad nutrition. Ultimately the apartment owner settled out of court. Freddie and his siblings were about to collect $18,000 each. Lead paint exposure in children can cause mental deficiencies, irritability and aggressive behavior, and impaired bone development.

So Freddie's fragile pre-existing physical and mental health impairments could have been a tragedy waiting to happen, particularly if force was used to subdue his erratic behavior.

I think the end evidence does matter in terms of criminal liability of the arresting officer. A big difference between negligence and murder. I agree the end evidence will come too late for the store owners and innocent bystanders who have been robbed, looted, victimized etc by the lawless thugs looking for an excuse to cause mayhem and violence.

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   2:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

[scrapped by NN]

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   3:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

They hate us, and while that may sound like a punch line, it's a point of absolute fact. They've been incubating black hate (oops, I almost called it "rage") as a battering-ram against us since before the WBTS, and unleashing it plenty too just incidentally.

Is Jewish Plan for Racial Strife Another "Hoax"?

www.sa vethemales.ca/the_b...he_bankers_made_disa.html

OK, now the Auto Hyperlink button is cooperating with me to save its reputation (or getting ready to sucker me again? heh heh!) And yes, I've been attempting to use it plenty but given it up at times. (Lod asked in the Morici thread.)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   3:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2 (#11)

I think the end evidence does matter in terms of criminal liability of the arresting officer. A big difference between negligence and murder. I agree the end evidence will come too late for the store owners and innocent bystanders who have been robbed, looted, victimized etc by the lawless thugs looking for an excuse to cause mayhem and violence.

IMO, the mechanics of the Obama/Holder/Lynch Justice system will move forward regardless of evidence. If charges do result, end evidence will mean nothing to at least some members of a Baltimore jury. They've made their minds up and the media will encourage their position.

Civilly, regardless of any exculpatory evidence that might surface, the officers will be forced to defend themselves in court. The personal expense will be enormous and ruin their lives regardless of the worthiness of the suit. Michael Brown's family has just filed a suit against Wilson despite the end evidence which exonerated him on both the State & Federal level.

That's interesting about the lead paint & FG. It's another piece to the case I was unaware of until now. I suspect more will come out. But with or without a poisonings most of the predicate felons in our ghettos are angry, ignorant and mentally unstable. Let me add racist against Whites too. Anyone who is in a position to tells them *no* for any reason will be challenged.

When I just Googled "prisoners who intentional injure themselves while under arrest", the result was - About 11,100,000 results (0.69 seconds). It is far from a new phenomena.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   8:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Awwww, c'mon, they've lived through so much white racism they've got no self esteem, that's all!

Lead paint exposure? How does that work? Doesn't sound like any excuse unless the landlord tricked the kids into eating some.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   10:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#15)

www.washingtonpost.com/lo...c-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html

Freddie dug lead paint chips.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   10:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2, 4 (#14)

Lead-based paint was banned here in 1976. Here's more on the Freddie Gray mess -

www.baltimoresun.com/news...ement-20150429-story.html

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   10:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod, scrapper2, 4 (#17)

Huh! a per-existing medical condition? Thank god Obamacare covers that now.

Again, I haven't a clue what happened and it's likely we'll never know the complete story, but I think we can all agree that these events are helping to push forward an agenda that is chilling. This Summer is going to be long and hot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   10:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Excellent linkage - thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   10:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

looks like the week-ending take-down of the pm's is on -

www.ino.com/

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   10:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

What we have here is cops making a claim...not a prisoner making a statement...

There are three things that are certain in life...death, taxes and cops lying...

--Fuck your breath.

war  posted on  2015-04-30   10:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#20)

lack of "investment" not the problem in baltimore -

www.nationalreview.com/ar...blem-baltimore-ian-tuttle

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   11:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#20)

looks like the week-ending take-down of the pm's is on -

Watching.....hold tight.

The rats are going to cow tip this entire economy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   11:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod (#22)

lack of "investment" not the problem in baltimore

The "investment" started by LBJ's Great Society and continued by every last POTUS has only reaped the dividend of the breakup of black families and enslaved most blacks in a nightmare existence. There's no other way to say it.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-04-30   11:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

the officers will be forced to defend themselves in court. The personal expense will be enormous and ruin their lives regardless of the worthiness of the suit.

I'm pretty sure that the county or state government will pick up the tab. So there might be expense but not cash out of pocket other than perhaps missed time off work

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-04-30   11:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Lod (#22)

Wowsie...a whole $130MM was spent over 20 years?

That article was a meant as a joke, right?

Add up the money spent and the ongoing tax credits given to the various Inner Harbor Projects...ANNUALLY...

--Fuck your breath.

war  posted on  2015-04-30   11:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: X-15 (#24)

The "investment" started by LBJ's Great Society and continued by every last POTUS has only reaped the dividend of the breakup of black families and enslaved most blacks in a nightmare existence. There's no other way to say it.

Bottom-line truth.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   12:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#21)

There are three things that are certain in life...death, taxes and cops lying...

Correction:

There are three things that are certain in life...death, taxes and lawyers lying...

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   12:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Let's not say it too loud, or they'll all be gouging paint off the wall, eating it and mixing it up in their babies' pureed carrots.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   12:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#20)

Did you guys read this? It was at the ino link.

BamBam announces he is going to save black society from crime and poverty with free library cards. I thought library cards are free to anyone who registers a temperature of 98.6.

news.ino.com/headlines/? newsid=336085609

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   12:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: scrapper2, Lod, 4 (#30)

They better be coloring books, their reading level is non-existent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   12:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#23)

looks like the week-ending take-down of the pm's is on -

Yeah, really getting monkeyhammered today for some reason, I can't figure out why. I sold a monster box of Ag yesterday at a good price to TexMetals. I figured that would've made it shoot up.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-04-30   12:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: X-15, Lod, scrapper2, 4 (#24)

www.heritage.org/research...on-poverty-after-50-years

$22 Trillion spent on poverty programs since 1964.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   12:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: scrapper2 (#30)

Library cards? I thought he was going to give everyone free college; like the first 14 years of free public education did any good.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-04-30   12:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Michael Brown's family has just filed a suit against Wilson despite the end evidence which exonerated him on both the State & Federal level.

Oye vey. Not this Michael Brown bullcrap again. Civil suit? "Wrongful death?" What a sad commentary on the lack of ethics in the legal profession and court system.

Officer Wilson has my sympathy.

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   12:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Esso, Lod (#32)

Yeah, really getting monkeyhammered today for some reason, I can't figure out why.

I can't figure it out either. I'm long so whatever....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   12:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

Do-gooder spending is like billionaires ever seeking to further enrich themselves.

"How much is enough? Just a little bit more...."

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-04-30   12:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: scrapper2 (#35)

No one has the guts to toss the case, they'd be called bad names by the racial Intimidators.

I'd love to know who is picking up the tab for Brown's legal team.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   12:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: scrapper2 (#30)

Clearly the Democrat Mayor of Baltimore inherited this disaster from her Democrat predecessor.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   12:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Month end squaring...unwinding of longs in domestic small caps and slow reacquisition of international companies in anticipation of a dollar rally...

You're welcome...

--Fuck your breath.

war  posted on  2015-04-30   12:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod (#22)

Article said that - tah dah! - Saul Alinsky's "foundation" helped build low cost housing in Freddie Gray's neighborhood. It cost $83,000 to build each house that were sold for $37,000. Taxpayers got ripped off big time on this "do-gooder" housing project.

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Throughout the early 1990s, Sandtown was Ground Zero of one of the largest, most closely watched urban-reinvestment projects in the country. Having done much to help revamp Baltimore’s Inner Harbor, mayor Kurt Schmoke, elected in 1987, turned his attention to Sandtown. The neighborhood was the preoccupation of one of his campaign’s key organizational supporters, Baltimoreans United in Leadership Development (BUILD), a West Baltimore–based community- action group under the umbrella of Saul Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation. Schmoke raised almost $30 million in federal and state grants and private funds to construct 210 new housing units and overhaul 17 others. For a nonprofit partner, Schmoke hit on the Enterprise Foundation (now Enterprise Community Partners), founded by real-estate magnate and Marylander James Rouse, who created Baltimore’s Harborplace and had turned his attention to low-income housing needs. With the help of significant subsidies, those 200-plus houses, which each cost $83,000 to build, were sold at $37,000 apiece. Three hundred more units were planned for a federally funded “Homeownership Zone” nearby.

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   12:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: NeoconsNailed (#29)

You're bad.

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   12:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: scrapper2 (#28)

There are three things that are certain in life...death, taxes and lawyers lying...

I once met a lawyer who told the truth...

By accident, of course...

--Fuck your breath.

war  posted on  2015-04-30   13:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull, Lod (#36)

From a post at ZeroHedge:

When the fiat currencies fail, the VERY FIRST things that ALL regimes in EVERY country will do is:

1. Confiscate ALL precious metals, including those owned by dealers, ETFs, CEFs, hedge funds, institutions, individuals, etc.

2. Ban the use, sale, trading, bartering of/with precious metals, under severe penalties enforced by the highly-militarized eager-to-comply police forces.

That's my fear as well at this point. I think they'll pull out all the stops when the house of cards starts falling.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-04-30   13:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Esso (#44)

That's my fear as well at this point. I think they'll pull out all the stops when the house of cards starts falling.

It's a valid fear and that is what initially kept me out of PMs. I have a hard time believing the Money Cartel will allow us to benefit from their fustercluck.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-04-30   13:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

I have a hard time believing the Money Cartel will allow us to benefit from their fustercluck.

Exactly.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-04-30   13:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

Huh! a per-existing medical condition?

I did not mean to suggest that the arresting police officers were responsible for knowing about FG's possible medical/mental frailties. Obviously police need to do what they need to do to subdue an aggressive perp.

But what might support a case for negligence is that apparently FG asked for medical assistance when he was arrested, but he was not taken to hospital initially. The Baltimore Police Chief has already confirmed that this happened.Not sure what negligence does to police officers' careers - is it automatic grounds for dismissal if it's a first offense or is it simply written into their files so they are monitored for a year or two thereafter?

Regarding the accusation about lack of seat belt protection, the police union rep already clarified that issue for the media. A new regulation about seat belts came out just 3 days before FG was arrested and the Baltimore police department officers had not had been officially advised about the new rule. Apparently it's not uncommon for a lag of a few weeks between when a new rule is agreed to and published in the procedural manual to when officers on the street get the staff meeting about the new rule. So at the time FG was arrested, the police officers followed the procedures that they were trained on at the time - i.e. seat belts were not necessary. And also from the description about FG's out-of- control behavior at the time, the arresting officers would likely not be expected to use seat belts with FG for fear of getting bitten by him ( FG had a long rap sheet that included several drug related offenses).

scrapper2  posted on  2015-04-30   13:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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