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Title: Jeb Bush: Social Security Means-Testing 'Ought to Be Considered'
Source: CNSNews
URL Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sus ... ns-testing-ought-be-considered
Published: Jun 2, 2015
Author: By Susan Jones
Post Date: 2015-06-02 01:54:33 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
Keywords: jeb bush, 2016, social security
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Jeb Bush: Social Security Means-Testing 'Ought to Be Considered'

By Susan Jones | June 1, 2015 | 12:19 PM EDT

Jeb Bush favors means-testing for Social Security retirement benefits as well as immigration reform that would make millions of former illegal aliens eligible for those benefits. (AP File Photo)
(CNSNews.com) - Jeb Bush says he would considering pushing back the Social Security retirement age by as many as five years and scaling back benefits for Americans who paid into the system but who also have accumulated wealth.

"We need to look over the horizon and begin to phase in, over an extended period of time, going from (age) 65 to 68 or 70. And that by itself will help sustain the retirement system for anybody under the age of 40," Bush, a potential contender for the Republican presidential nomination, told CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

Bush also wants to phase out benefits for higher earners, who have paid into the system for their entire working lives.

"What about means testing?" Bob Schieffer asked Bush.
"I think it ought to be considered, for sure," Bush replied.

As conceived by the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Social Security was intended to be a retirement insurance program for all working Americans regardless of income, funded by mandatory payroll taxes.

Means-testing would turn Social Security into a wealth transfer program, diverting payroll contributions from those who earn more to those who earn less.

And if Jeb Bush has his way on immigration, some of those lower-income workers would be people who came to the United States illegally.

In April, in a speech to the National Christian Hispanic Leadership Conference, Bush said the nation must "fix" its broken immigration system, including "dealing with the 11 million undocumented workers that are here in this country -- 11 million people that should come out from the shadows and receive earned legal status, where they pay a fine, where they work...provide for their families, not receive government assistance, and over a period of time, be able to receive earned legal status."

President Obama also wants to bring millions of illegal aliens out of the shadows, and he's trying to do it on a temporary basis by executive action because Congress refuses to go along with his plan.

Obama's DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) and DAPA (Deferred Action for Parents of Americans) programs aimed to give temporary legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, but a federal court recently blocked both DAPA and expanded DACA, prompting an appeal from the Obama administration.

In its May 26 ruling on Obama's executive amnesty program, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals noted that being "lawfully present" in the United States "makes aliens who were not otherwise qualified for most federal public benefits eligible for “social security retirement benefits, social security disability benefits, [and] health insurance under Part A of the Medicare program.”

The three-judge panel refused to lift the lower-court injunction on Obama's executive amnesty.
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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
He's mad. He's simply mad. And very, VERY convinced of his own perfection.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2015-06-02 1:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)
He's mad. He's simply mad. And very, VERY convinced of his own perfection.

He's NOT 'mad.' He knows exactly what he is doing ..

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2015-06-02 2:11:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#2)
"It's an act of love" to crash the borders -- ARRHGHH!!!!!!!! So what do you call the act of moving to amerika and leaving your family behind somewhere else?
That David Pakman is a extreme communist little imp, and so is the fool in the headphones he's eccentrically dialoguing with. A Gen-X Jue import from Argentina, just what amerika needs to lead it from darkness to light!

NeoconsNailed posted on 2015-06-02 2:21:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
"We need to look over the horizon and begin to phase in, over an extended period of time, going from (age) 65 to 68 or 70. And that by itself will help sustain the retirement system for anybody under the age of 40," Bush, a potential contender for the Republican presidential nomination, told CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

Jeb is blowing smoke up the butts of the masses. There are not enough workers to sustain the boomers, let alone the following generations. Trillions unfunded from politicians wasting the "trust fund" is not going to reappear by keeping 65 to 70 year old workers greeting customers at Walmart. Sure, that will increase the number that die before collecting a dime, but not enough to even begin to make a dent in what has been taken for the past four decades.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2015-06-02 11:12:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)
" He's mad. He's simply mad. And very, VERY convinced of his own perfection. "

He has been listening too much to his momma, poppa, wifey, and his CFR handlers!
F Jebby !!!!

Stoner posted on 2015-06-02 14:32:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
"dealing with the 11 million undocumented workers that are here in this country -- 11 million people

There's that DAMN lie again. It's a neocon shibboleth every bit as fucking holy to them as *6 million* is to them and their kosher masters.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2015-06-02 14:34:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Stoner, 4 (#5)
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (born February 11, 1953)

John-boy needs to go away.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2015-06-02 14:37:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: X-15 (#6)
"dealing with the 11 million undocumented workers that are here in this country -- 11 million people
There's that DAMN lie again. It's a neocon shibboleth every bit as fucking holy to them as *6 million* is to them and their kosher masters.
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My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States.

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States?

This section presents an introduction to alternative methodologies to accurately estimate the number of illegal aliens living in the United States. To read the detailed analysis, please see:
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? A methodology using Border Patrol "got away" statistics, by Fred Elbel.
The mainstream media, whenever it actually mentions the number of illegal aliens living in the United States, categorically quotes the official government figure of 8-12 million. This number originated with the Department of Homeland Security, which in December 2003 estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens resided in the United States and that 700,000 new illegals enter each year and remain in the country.¹As of 2014, those estimates have not changed for eleven years, even though the official annual increase alone would yield an corrected estimate of 15.7 million to 19.7 million illegal aliens today (not adjusting for Obama's unconstitutional 2014 executive amnesty).
Even though it is quite clear that huge numbers of illegal aliens sneak into our country and avoid capture at our border, the media as well as government agencies seem quite content to under-report these numbers. The static official estimates are somewhat suspect, as they are produced by the very entity responsible for the tidal wave of illegal aliens entering our nation - the United States Government. Alternative methodologies estimate a range of numbers that is likely more realistic.
Nancy Boulton observes that:
Estimates of the size of the illegal alien population currently living in the U.S. range from about 12 million to over 20 million. The lower number is based on Census Bureau estimates of the foreign-born population in various Census Bureau surveys. The larger number is based on methodology that is not reliant on a respondent’s candor... it is virtually impossible to get an accurate count of populations who are resistant to being identified. Given the problem of porous borders and incentives to avoid detection, the higher estimate is not unreasonable.⁵

Indeed, U.S. Border Patrol Local 2544 stated in July of 2005:
“There are currently 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country by many estimates, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not secure (no matter what the politicians tell you—don’t believe them for a second).
Alternative methodologies

Alternative methodologies conclude that between 20 million and 40 million illegal aliens have evaded apprehension and live in the United States.
The official number was questioned by D.A. King of The Dustin Inman Society in 2004. Subsequently, an in-depth analysis was published by Fred Elbel^1,7. In 2007, The Social Contract published an entire issue addressing the numbers of illegal aliens in the US².
Nancy Boulton pointed out that two researchers at Bear Stearns Asset Management estimated that the number of illegal immigrants in 2005 could be as high as 20 million. Their figures were based on an analysis of the large discrepancy between official census estimates and growth in indicators such as remittances to the countries of origin, school enrollment and building permits.^5,8
Bolton also notes that:
If even one person is successful for every apprehension, it implies over 1 million foreigners per year illegally cross our southern border. In addition, there are roughly 30 million foreign nationals admitted to the U.S. each year on temporary visas. There are no data on the percentage of these visitors who overstay their visas, but data from the Australian Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs indicate about 8 percent of those admitted to that country on temporary visas overstay their visa and about 86 percent of those overstay by a year or more. If just 1 percent of the 30 million admitted on temporary visas to the U.S. do not leave as they are required to, that adds another 300,000 foreigners illegally in the U.S. each year.

The analysis by James H. Walsh notes that estimates compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau (USCB), national surveys, governmental agencies, philanthropic organizations, religious charities, nongovernment statistics-keeping agencies, and immigrant advocates range from 7 million to 20 million illegal aliens. Walsh concludes that the number is closer to 2 times 20 million, or 40 million.⁴ Walsh notes that in 1992,
...an investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice Inspector General found INS statistics suspect and cited deliberate deception by senior INS officials tampering with immigration statistics... U.S. Border Patrol agents confided that they were told to cap apprehensions and deportations to conform to the desires of various Administrations to create at least a public perception of border control.

Walsh also notes that:
In addition, the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children. When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase.

Walsh focuses on the ratio of illegal alien apprehensions to those who escaped apprehension, noting that:
The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 millio a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.

Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:
My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States.

Elbel also focused on the ratio of border apprehensions to "get-aways". The methodology used in his analysis was as follows:⁷
Estimate the gross number of illegals entering the U.S., as well as the number of those that evade apprehension by the Border Patrol. A “get away” ratio is applied to the numbers of illegals entering, resulting in a gross estimate of illegals entering and evading apprehension.

Factor in repeat apprehensions of the same individuals and legalizations out of the overall estimate. Many illegal aliens who are apprehended and are returned home try to enter the U.S. again and are subsequently apprehended. Others are legalized and are allowed to stay in the U.S.

Factor “short term stays” from the overall estimate. Some illegal aliens voluntarily return home in less than year.

Estimate the total number of illegal aliens living in the United States, based upon the estimate of illegals entering and evading apprehension each year.
Elbel's conclusion was that it is likely that at least 20 million illegal aliens presently reside in the United States, with up to 12,000 additional illegal aliens entering every day.
In the January, 2013 article, "Over the line: Fighting corruption on our border", Arizona rancher John Ladd stated "I say about a half a million people have been caught on the ranch. And that's what's been caught - that's not what's got through."
The promise of amnesty

One of the driving factors that results in unending illegal immigration into the United States is simply the mention of a possible amnesty. Holding out the carrot of amnesty has been sufficient to keep wave of wave of illegal aliens sneaking into the United States. The result is that corporations get thousands upon thousands of new consumers, Republicans get an unending stream of cheap foreign labor, and Democrats get wave after wave of "undocumented Democrats".
Conclusion

Using the latest conservative Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011, the Center for Immigration Studies reports that more than 50 million immigrants (legal and illegal) live in the United States, and that "Absent a change in policy, between 12 and 15 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) will likely settle in the United States in the next decade. And perhaps 30 million new immigrants will arrive in the next 20 years."¹⁰
The magnitude of the numbers of illegal aliens in the United States represents a serious crisis and urgent need for a return to the rule of law and secured borders that the United States Constitution demands.

References:
1. "How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? A methodology using Border Patrol 'got away' statistics," by Fred Elbel. Also published as "Illegal immigration invasion numbers analysis", Fred Elbel, www.DesertInvasion.us, August, 2004, and in the 2007 Social Contract.⁷
2. “How many illegal aliens are in the U.S.?” The Social Contract (Summer 2007). The issue includes the following articles:
3. "Introduction: How Many Foreign Nationals Actually Live in the U.S. Illegally?", Diana Hull, Ph.D., Summer 2007
4. "Illegal Aliens: Counting the Uncountable", James H. Walsh, Summer 2007
5. "The Challenge of Accurately Estimating the Population of Illegal Immigrants", Nancy Bolton, Summer 2007
6. "Racing Backwards - The Fiscal Impact of Illegal Immigration in California, Revisited", Philip J. Romero, Summer 2007
For additional references, see citations and endnotes in the above articles.
7. "How Many Illegal Aliens Are in the U.S.? - An Alternative Methodology for Discovering the Numbers", Fred Elbel, Summer 2007
8. “The Underground Labor Force is Rising to the Surface.” Robert Justich and Betty Ng, Bear Stearns Asset Management, Inc. January 2005. Excerpts:
“Though we cannot conduct an independent census of the United States population, as investors, we need not accept the accuracy of the official census immigration statistics, which are widely recognized as incomplete. There are many ancillary sources of data that provide evidence that the rate of growth in the immigrant population is much greater than the Census Bureau statistics. School enrollments, foreign remittances, border crossings, and housing permits are some of the statistics that point to a far greater rate of change in the immigrant population than the census numbers. At the risk of appearing dogmatic or taking a leap of faith, we have applied the rate of growth from these other areas and have drawn several conclusions about the current immigration population:
1. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, almost double the official estimates of 11.1 million of the March 2005 Current Population Survey and 11.5 million–12 million by the Pew Hispanic Center (Fact Sheet, April 5, 2006).
2. The total number of legalized immigrants entering The United States since 1990 has averaged 962,000 per year. Several credible studies indicate that the number of illegal entries has recently crept up to 3 million per year, triple the authorized figure.
3. Undocumented immigrants are gaining a larger share of the job market, and hold approximately 12 to 15 million jobs in the United States (8 percent of the employed)…”

9. U.S. Border Patrol Local 2544 (covering most of Arizona) stated on their website at http://www.local2544.org in July of 2005:
There are currently 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country by many estimates, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not secure (no matter what the politicians tell you—don’t believe them for a second).”

10."Immigrants in the United States, 2010: A Profile of America's Foreign-Born Population", Steven A. Camarota, Center for Immigration Studies, August 2012
11. Update: "Border security faults may be result of poor analysis - Homeland Security ignores data it collects on illegal crossings, critics say", AZCentral, July 20, 2013:
'Last year, for example, a panel of leading statisticians, economists and demographers at the National Academy of Sciences conducted a study on illegal immigration at the request of Homeland Security...
That study, which included data from Mexican governmental sources and previous U.S. academic studies, suggested that about three-quarters of those who decide to cross keep trying until they make it. Other outside studies have found 85 or even 90 percent make it...
“Almost everybody who really tries eventually gets in,” said Jeffrey Passel, a member of the panel and a senior demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization in Washington, D.C., that studies the U.S. Hispanic population...
[in 2006-2007] CBP asked the Homeland Security Institute, a federally funded research center, to study border-crossing recidivism and the likelihood of apprehending crossers. The study found that, from 2001 to 2005, when border security and the consequences imposed on crossers were both relatively slight, the likelihood of being apprehended on any crossing attempt was about 35 percent, according to sources familiar with the study. But to this day, that study, completed in 2007, remains classified...'
12. White House lies about terrorist threat at border, Tom Tancredo, World Net Daily, September 12, 2014.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2015-06-02 14:40:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#0)
Means-testing would turn Social Security into a wealth transfer program, diverting payroll contributions from those who earn more to those who earn less.

Sounds good to me.

Cynicom posted on 2015-06-02 14:48:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
Sure it does, after they first balance the budget and cut all the genuinely ridiculous, crazy and pernicious spending out. Welfare abuse first!

NeoconsNailed posted on 2015-06-02 15:01:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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How many illegal aliens reside in the United States?

Alternative methodologies

The promise of amnesty

Conclusion