The American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Ohio and Alphonse Gerhardstein of Gerhardstein & Branch have filed suit on behalf of Jim Obergefell and David Michener, two widowers, and Robert Grunn, a funeral director, in a challenge to the Ohio constitutional and statutory marriage recognition bans.
I believe that the political 'clusterf*uck' over this has just begun.
I don't even want to imagine what measures state legislatures will be called on to pass that may embody all manner of relationships and which will appeal for federal protection.
This can of worms has barely been cracked as far as what it portends for private employers and churches.
OK got it right by just doing away with marriage licenses; if a "couple" wishes to register their "union" with the several counties, they are free to do so.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Today is one of those days we'll tell our grandchildren about. Marriage equality is now the law in all 50 states.
From Stonewall to today’s decision, the courage and determination of the LGBT community has changed hearts, minds, and laws. Generations of advocates and activists sacrificed so much for this victory.
This is our country at its best: inclusive, open, and striving towards true equality.
But the struggle for LGBT rights doesn’t end with this triumph. Our work is not finished until every American can not only marry, but live, work, pray, learn, and raise a family free from discrimination and prejudice.
I will never stop fighting for every American who needs a champion. Jim, are you with me?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." -Alex Kurtagic
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
"Do you Queer, take this Faggot, to be your lawful, wedded buggerer?"
I can see it now...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
This will be all fine and dandy with the leftist political establishment until a father marries his son and avoids inheritance tax. If it comes down to a “fundamental human right” and loss of tax dollars, the human right thingy loses.
Given the nature of our adversary system, there's crap coming down the pike you ain't even dreamed of.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
This is a ruling and it is not law. The court has told "WE the People" fuck you and your vote against same sex marriage. If congress or the state had any balls they can make a law the over rides the ruling.
The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
D.C. Communists have seceded from the Constitution. They are destroying our nation and all normalcy. What they struck in Ohio was an Amendment to the State Constitution, not just a "Common Law". But the Supreme Court isn't a group of legislators, as some of them might opinionatedly think.
Communists have been stacking our courts and offices with their subversives, partly because of the citizenry who refuse to vote against them and talk others into surrendering their votes too -- who'd rather fight against Conservatives for Constitutionality, all who push for condonance of their police abuses even more than the "MSM" does, who shrug off our Founder's Constitutional Militia intent and why, rage against the Military and pillory "conspiracists" when Communism is a massive, monstrous conspiracy against America and humanity, overtly and covertly.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
From a Libertarian point of view, it is none of the governments business. Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults. Period. No government sanction is needed, get government out of the marriage business and the issue would have been solved.
I've gotten to know several gay couples, and believe it or not the love they feel is no different than what you feel. Their marriages are the same as your marriage, except for the gender of one person. Heck, many of the things they do in the bedroom are the same things you do and/or enjoy.
Gay marriage makes you uncomfortable? So what. It's their relationship, not yours. You think gays are sinners? Again, so what. Live your own life and let God judge them (and you).
From a Libertarian point of view, it is none of the governments business. Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults. Period. No government sanction is needed, get government out of the marriage business and the issue would have been solved.
Yep.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults. Period. No government sanction is needed, get government out of the marriage business and the issue would have been solved.
I'm no fan of govt or courts, but what if the two adults are brother and sister or parent and child?
Don't scoff, in today's deranged world it's sure to come up. One woman formally "married" herself before witnesses and went on a honeymoon. Not necessarily disagreeing with your post overall (wow, Lod doesn't???), I'm just askin'.
This is going to get very interesting. Theoretically 2/3 of all churches (at least) are outraged by the ruling. Do they have the guts? Who'll be the first guinea pig in each denomination? Are all SINagogs unanimously for it???
I'm no fan of govt or courts, but what if the two adults are brother and sister or parent and child?
It's none of my business if they are related. They could get married. Marriages like those were once more common. The human race survived. Yeah it's gross and bad for their offsprings genetics. Oh well. Not my problem.
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Always a solid plan, thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Just to remind you - The "FEDERAL" government is a service provided by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
Yes, that's right, we have a bank providing governmental services. We use "THEIR" monetary system and the law is "the medium of exchange dictates the law" ... it's that simple. (EDIT: FRNs are inter-bank notes.)
You go on and on about the Consti-stupid when it doesn't exist inside of the bank.
I wouldn't disagree with you that the communists and other political jackals are traitors to the Constitution ... if it existed in our modern society.
I said a very long time ago that gay marriage was inevitable because the current government cannot discriminate between taxpayers ... the entity called a taxpayer or citizen is genderless, and it's their ALL CAPITAL LETTER creation [JOHN DOE].
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
In Greece and Europe the banks are the oligarchs’ method of control just as the Federal Reserve is in the US and the Bank of England in the UK and the European Central Bank in the EU. The same in Canada, Australia, and Japan. When an oligarchy controls the money, the oligarchy controls the country, so “Western democracy” is only a pretense.
The above is from another post here on 4UM. It avoids the truth about who runs the show but it does admit that the general population ain;t got a clue about how their country really works.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
When a oligarchy jew controls the money, the oligarchy jew controls the country, so “Western democracy” is only a pretense.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
You don't think it affects you if the age of consent is dropped to 11 like in Mexico, or many more retards get born for the rest of time? The average IQ in this country is sinking fast enough.
In Greece and Europe the banks are the oligarchs’ method of control just as the Federal Reserve is in the US and the Bank of England in the UK and the European Central Bank in the EU. The same in Canada, Australia, and Japan. When an oligarchy controls the money, the oligarchy controls the country, so “Western democracy” is only a pretense.
The above is from another post here on 4UM. It avoids the truth about who runs the show but it does admit that the general population ain;t got a clue about how their country really works.
Just to remind you - The "FEDERAL" government is a service provided by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
Yes, that's right, we have a bank providing governmental services.
Corroded facsimiles of governmental services, I'd say.
We use "THEIR" monetary system and the law is "the medium of exchange dictates the law" ... it's that simple. (EDIT: FRNs are inter-bank notes.)
I agree that FRNs are inter-bank notes but I'm certain there's nothing in the Constitution like "the medium of exchange dictates the law". Not even contract law is to be exempt from Constitutionality and especially not when pertaining to the public citizenry in general.
You go on and on about the Consti-stupid when
Do not. You do. In fact, just reading that phrasing makes me miffed and more so when copying and pasting it for context without strikethrough formatting.
it doesn't exist inside of the bank.
Miffed again. Yes it does. The bankers just act like it doesn't so you'll think they're more powerful than the Constitution but they aren't really.
I wouldn't disagree with you that the communists and other political jackals are traitors to the Constitution ... if it existed in our modern society.
It does exist in our society. The problem is that American society and government are supposed to be cohesively Constitutionalist Only -- not "inclusively" fringed with Communists, political jackals, traitors and other subversives.
I said a very long time ago that gay marriage was inevitable because the current government cannot discriminate between taxpayers ... the entity called a taxpayer or citizen is genderless, and it's their ALL CAPITAL LETTER creation [JOHN DOE].
Affirmative Action is one example that says the Federal government thinks it can discriminate against taxpayers and does. No States were stopping it from amending the U.S. tax code to contain a tax deduction for those partnerships at a rate equivalent to that of heterosexual marriages. It just didn't want to do that because it would have lowered IRS holdings. So, the Commie cohorts at the supposed "Supreme Court" got the sinister and invalid notion that they have the power to obliterate the rule of law in America altogether if they wanted to by striking the States and the Constitutions thereof but they're terribly wrong and should be impeached.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No States were stopping it from amending the U.S. tax code
The thing we have called States in the past were independent and sovereign stand alone entities. What we have had since the introduction of a strictly fiat monetary system are STATES, which for "all" practical purposes are subsidiaries of the FED. These STATES are not sovereign but subservient to their monetary masters at the FED.
Occasionally the Constitution is given lip service and a token victory just to keep the rubes aligned with a system intent upon destroying EVERYTHING traditional while introducing enslavement on an incremental basis.
In some respects the SCOTUS is limited "by law" [commercial law]. The law of the land (Constitution) depends upon real money as described in the Constitution (gold/silver coin) in order to be of effect. When contracts and fiat enter the picture either the contract (which is supported by the Constitution) or our CHOICE to use fiat currency and credit removes us from Constitutional rule.
What we have done by choice is unwittingly depart from the common law and Constitution in order to utilize a system of monetary exchange that is foreign to the Constitution.
Like it or not we have forfeited truth and adopted a lie. We have become comfortable with this lie (debt based fiat/credit) to such an extent that people in general (many here on 4UM, probably most here) will remain in this system and bitch about its gradual usurpation of their freedom and denial of what were their rights under the Constitutional framework, refusing to acknowledge their complete dependence upon the banking elite for their temporary conveniences until the day of reckoning when the bankers confiscate their wealth as was done in Cyprus or is happening in Greece.
This latest imposition of queer nation is a test of our faith and our will. Is our faith in God or the fiat currency STATE ? Homosexuality is an abomination and an affront to the God that so-called Christians claim to worship. Yet, they will rationalize funding the government promoting this abomination through their taxes and thereby prove their faith and will power is non-existent. These same "Christians" will fund international war, forced vaccination, abortions, the police state, and anything else the global satanists inject into their lives because they're still comfortable with or addicted to their temporary conveniences.
The only election that can take us off of this runaway train to hell is our election to return to honest money (honest weights and measures) and reject the satanic monetary system in control today. Until we choose to remove ourselves from within the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM all of the bitching, voting, petitioning and etc., is a waste of time.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
the Constitution would appear to be taking a terrible drubbing.
It looks that way but the text hasn't changed since the last Amendment. These SCOTUS rogues wouldn't be the first if impeached. Samuel Chase was but he was acquited. If gov officials fail to impeach and remove rogues moving against our Constitution, they can be impeached too.
Noting that my post at #55 was spaced to fit the thread dimensions but found that doesn't work when arriving here from the Latest Comments page. Clicking Full Thread mode corrected that problem for easier reading.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The United States Constitution declares, in Article I, Section 10, "No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts". This means that no State can make something besides gold or silver a "tender in payment" (which means they cannot "make something else an offer as payment") for any debts, which would include debts owed by and to the State. However, EVERY State in the United States of America HAS made some other "Thing" an offer as payment - they have by law declared that they will accept, and pay out, Federal Reserve Notes for any debts owed by or to them. Therefore, every State is in violation of Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution. Thus the need for the "Constitutional Tender Act" -- a bill template that can be introduced in every State legislature in the nation, returning each of them to adherence to the United States Constitution's actual legal tender provisions.
2. Analysis at fauxcapitalist.com, Exposing Faux Capitalism to the dismay of the Federal Reserve and other faux capitalists.
The doctrine of nondelegation describes the theory that one branch of government must not authorize another entity to exercise the power or function which it is constitutionally authorized to exercise itself. It is explicit or implicit in all written constitutions that impose a strict structural separation of powers. It is usually applied in questions of constitutionally improper delegations of powers of any of the three branches of government to either of the other, to the administrative state, or to private entities.
The Constitution was once the bedrock of our country, an unpretentious parchment that boldly established the God-given rights and freedoms of America. Today that parchment has been shred to ribbons, explains Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew P. Napolitano, as the federal government trounces state and individual rights and expands its reach far beyond what the Framers intended.
An important follow-up to Judge Napolitano's best-selling Constitutional Chaos, this book shows with no-nonsense clarity how Congress has "purchased" regulations by bribing states and explains how the Supreme Court has devised historically inaccurate, logically inconsistent, and even laughable justifications
The term "constitution in exile" has come to be used to characterize the ambitions of originalists to bring legal practice back into compliance with the written Constitution of government as originally understood by the Founders.
if you are looking for the movement that embraces the phrase, you've found it here.
This movement is "libertarian", not "conservative". To be consistent with original understanding, we would need to go all the way back to undo the precedent of McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819). [My note: SCOTUS bank mumbo jumbo, etc.]
This page is intended to be a gateway to the movement and the writings by its proponents and adversaries. Of course, this entire site serves that purpose, but here the focus will be on the movement of legal scholars who most exemplify the phrase.
[Lists of Linked Resources: Articles and Books]
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Therefore, every State is in violation of Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution. Thus the need for the "Constitutional Tender Act" -- a bill template that can be introduced in every State legislature in the nation, returning each of them to adherence to the United States Constitution's actual legal tender provisions.
My position is that an entirely separate and distinct "legal" jurisdiction outside of Constitutional purview has been created wherein the original sovereign states became subsidiary STATES under the FEDERAL RESERVE similar to the way we perceive counties under state authority. These FEDERAL STATES are under commercial law.
"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code)" — The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966
The problem is not political in nature it is commercial. The usage of commercial paper, negotiable instruments and credit are governed not by a Constitution but by uniform commercial law.
If one Article of the Constitution is rendered null the entire document becomes irrelevant or of no authority. While some might say the Constitution is in exile I would simply suggest it has been set aside.
Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution hasn't been amended nor has it been repealed. The money lenders have simply circumvented it by establishing a commercial system that we have enlisted through usage of it and have thereby chosen to depart from the common law and the Constitution.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
However, EVERY State in the United States of America HAS made some other "Thing" an offer as payment - they have by law declared that they will accept, and pay out, Federal Reserve Notes for any debts owed by or to them.
Let me add this:
The above statement makes it possible for the so-called states to choose whichever portions of the Constitution they like and eradicate those they don't like. This is nonsense.
How is it that the population are then forced to accept a negotiable debt instrument for their labor rather than money ? This is happening because when the system was transformed the printers of currency kept the appearance very much similar to the previous (receipt) backed by something of intrinsic value.
Truth be told, the entire world (nearly) has been lured into the bank. Regardless of how pretty the paper fiat is it is still an internal commercial instrument of the bank and regulated by the bank. Every transaction wherein this script is used has attached to it a FEDERAL RESERVE fingerprint.
Like I've said before in a different way, we have been lured across the border from the free republic and into the socialist jurisdiction of the central bank. Here in the bank there is no Constitution to discuss and any reference to it is propaganda meant to keep the population ignorant.
I used to scoff at folks claiming the courts were actually banks ... they may have the last laugh.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
Another situation comes to mind since we're on a gay marriage thread.
Some bakers were fined over 100K for refusing to bake a wedding cake for two queers. I might ask if this is the result of too much freedom ? Is this the result of freedom of choice ?
No, it's the result of having a business license in a commercial atmosphere. It's because the STATE is a godless entity and cannot recognize gender biases concerning taxpayers in the general public.
The Bible speaks of those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The practicalities are all around us and bitch slapping us in the face. Yet, in spite of the constant beating we're taking, and the multitude of so-called patriots or constitutionalists being locked up, we act like a battered spouse that in spite of the black eyes and bruises claims that Uncle Sambo still loves us.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
