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Title: Russia Inadvertently Posts Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled
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URL Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod ... an-casualties-in-east-ukraine/
Published: Aug 26, 2015
Author: forbes
Post Date: 2015-08-26 09:58:40 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 119
Comments: 9

A local resident examines his building, destroyed during recent shelling, in the small town of Avdiivka, in the Donetsk region on August 25, 2015. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko accused Russia of this week sending three military convoys over the border into the separatist-controlled east with a total of up to 500 tanks, 400 artillery systems and up to 950 military armoured vehicles to pro-Russian rebels, although he did not specify the time period for these deliveries. (ANATOLII STEPANOV/AFP/Getty Images)

Russian president Vladimir Putin has decreed that all Russian casualties “in peacetime” be a state secret. In addition to criminal charges arising from divulging state secrets, families risk losing pensions and lump-sum payments if they reveal that their sons were killed in Ukraine. Mothers of soldiers’ associations have been branded “foreign agents” for collecting data on Russian casualties. Dissident Boris Nemtsov was murdered shortly before completing his study of Russian casualties in Ukraine. Russian civil rights organizations, working against the fog of official resistance, could confirm only several hundred battlefield deaths.

Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) reports on markets, finance, entrepreneurship, finance, and leisure, scarcely an outlet for sensational information. Its innocuously entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” however, reveals what appear to be official figures on the number of Russian soldiers killed or made invalids “in eastern Ukraine.” Russian censors quickly removed the offending material but not before it had been webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region). Here is the “top secret” material the censors removed (my translation):

Web-archived material removed by Russian censors containing casualty figures

“Compensation of military personnel taking part in military actions in Ukraine in 2014-2015.” In addition, the Russian government, in a decision about the monetary compensation of military personnel taking part in military action in eastern Ukraine, approved compensation for families of military personnel who were killed taking part in military action in Ukraine of three million rubles (about $50,000). For those who have become invalids during military action, the compensation is one and a half million rubles (about $25,000). A payment of 1,800 rubles is envisioned for contract “fighters” for every day of their presence in the conflict zone. In all, as of February 1, 2015, monetary compensation had been paid to more than 2,000 families of fallen soldiers and to 3,200 military personnel suffering heavy wounds and recognized as invalids (my italics).”

Sovietologists found many secrets of the USSR by digging into the Soviet press and technical and financial trade journals. That fallen and invalided military personnel are compensated must be reflected somewhere in budgets. As reported in Delovaya zhizn, compensation payments for those killed and invalided in Ukraine came to almost twenty million dollars, not a large share of the approximately $50 billion  defense budget but large enough to appear in an appropriate budget subcategory.

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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko accused Russia of this week sending three military convoys over the border into the separatist-controlled east with a total of up to 500 tanks, 400 artillery systems and up to 950 military armoured vehicles to pro-Russian rebels

LOL!!!!!

If there were ANY Russian tanks in Ukraine they'd be plastering the satellite images all over every MSM news outlet in the western world.

But FIVE HUNDRED???

OMG, Porky is snorting some seriously strong shit if he thinks any rational person would believe that. And for Forbes to parrot his lies makes them appear to be just as irrational.

500 tanks (along with the other alleged equipment) would decimate the ENTIRE UKRAINE MILITARY in a day or less. Perhaps they should have toned down their lies, like maybe claiming 5 or 10, instead of 500.

But even without the tanks, if there were "400 artillery systems and up to 950 military armoured vehicles" posed to attack Ukraine military units, the Ukraine military would be wiped out in a VERY short time.

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"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-08-26   13:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)

…by Jonas E. Alexis

In response to the prevailing notion among New World Order agents that he is Hitler reincarnate,[1] a dictator,[2] a James bond villain,[3] and that Russia has violated international law,[4] Putin brilliantly said:

“I invite you to publish the world map in your newspaper and to mark all the US military bases on it. You will see the difference…

“American submarines are on permanent alert off the Norwegian coast; they are equipped with missiles that can reach Moscow in 17 minutes. But we dismantled all of our bases in Cuba a long time ago, even the non-strategic ones. And you would call us aggressive?

“As for us, we are not expanding anywhere; it is NATO infrastructure, including military infrastructure, that is moving towards our borders. Is this a manifestation of our aggression?

“Finally, the United States unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which was to a large extent the cornerstone of the entire international security system.

“Anti-missile systems, bases and radars are located in the European territory or in the sea, e.g. in the Mediterranean Sea, and in Alaska. We have said many times that this undermines international security. Do you think this is a display of our aggression as well?”[5]

Here Putin actually destroys the Zionist project which Satan worshipers and New World Order agents have tried to implement for years in the West. NWO agents will never accept Putin’s challenge precisely because they have relentlessly used the U.S. to destroy countries in the Middle East and elsewhere. Once again, if this is news to some, take a look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

Moreover, while the Neoconservatives and other Zionist flagships want to divert our attention to countries like Russia, China,[6] Brazil,[7] and North Korea, [8] the same people do not want to face the fact that our attention should be on the country that has damaged America and much of the West the most: Israel. [9] Russia or China has never threatened to annihilate any country, but Israel has. If this is news to some, then we must bring in Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld again, who said unequivocally:

“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”[10]

Imagine if Putin or Iranian officials happen to utter such a declaration. What do you think New World Order agents and Satan worshipers would do? Wouldn’t they incestuously and incoherently produce the declaration in the media ad infinitum? Remember how they ridiculously perpetuated the lie that Ahmadinejad wanted to wipe Israel off the map?

Now here is your small homework. Get a microphone, present the Creveld statement to any American and even many politicians that you encounter. Erase the word “Israel” and replace it with a blank space. Ask each person to fill the blank space with any country in the world. Do you seriously think that they are going to place Israel there? Do the homework, and the result will be mind- boggling.

www.veteranstoday.com/201...atest-challenge-to-satan- worshipers-and-new-world-order-agents/

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-08-26   14:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#3. To: randge (#2)

Puttinsky gets to play the noble statesman as long as amerika's acting like a massively psychotic teen.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-08-26   15:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#4. To: NeoconsNailed (#3)

Yes. Unfortunately, Warshington is not a hard act to follow on the world stage.

In a string of recent productions, it's US that comes off as the heavy in the estimation of many outsiders.

We're certainly making it easy for Putin to play the role of the aggrieved party.

BTW, I don't trust the Russians or the Chinese as far as I could throw them either.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-08-26   17:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#5. To: randge, 4 (#4)

Most here don't trust any .govs.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-08-26   18:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#6. To: Lod (#5)

I wonder. If we could take a pool of the gang, don't you think most would declare Puttinsky a great leader?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-08-26   20:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#7. To: FormerLurker (#1)

136 Ukraine servicemen have taken their own lives since the beginning of fighting in Donbass

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-08-30   9:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#8. To: All (#7)

France, Germany and Russia Back Ceasefire in Donbass: Hold the Cheers

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-08-30   9:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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#9. To: FormerLurker (#1)

Meet 'Muslim': The Chechen Commander Battling Russia With Some Unlikely Allies

The knowledge that the toffee-and-poppy-seed cake had been made by a group of local volunteers was enough to reassure the Chechen militia commander that he would not be poisoned over afternoon tea. "For anything else," he said, handing over a small cardboard box containing a Geiger counter, "I always scan for radiation."

Clad in combat fatigues and sporting an impressive black and white beard, the exile goes by the nom de guerre of "Muslim." Many of his associates were poisoned by the Russian security services, he said, and he was not prepared to meet the same fate. He has survived to reach his mid-40s despite two devastating Chechen wars with Russia in the 1990s, a decade living as a guerrilla in the remote mountains of the North Caucasus, and now 12 months fighting the Kremlin-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

The commander's "Sheikh Mansur" battalion — named after an 18th century Chechen resistance fighter — is among three volunteer Islamic battalions fighting alongside Kiev government forces in eastern Ukraine. An unconventional splinter group, it highlights one of the conflict's messier dimensions: Chechen versus Chechen.

Afternoon tea with "Muslim." Photo by Jack Crosbie

On one side are those who fight for Ukraine, said to number around 100. Moscow denies Western accusations that it has sent regular troops into eastern Ukraine but, as far as these Chechens are concerned, this is the same conflict on a different front.

On the other side, several hundred Chechens loyal to strongman Ramzan Kadyrov support the pro-Russia separatists. In 2004, President Vladimir Putin entrusted the young warlord Kadyrov to extinguish the local insurgency in Chechnya and allowed him to rule the previously war-torn state with impunity.

Amid this bitter feud, Muslim's unit offers a further twist. While Western Europeans may typically associate right-wing groups with Islamophobia, the Sheikh Mansur battalion has forged an unlikely alliance with Right Sector, a Ukrainian far-right paramilitary movement. Elsewhere they may have been natural enemies but here, their coalition is born of a shared nemesis and fuelled by a common hatred of Russia.

'We have a common enemy who doesn't care about us or our lands'

Right Sector, estimated to have between 1,000 and 5,000 men, grew during 2014's Euromaidan protests in Kiev from half-a-dozen nationalist fringe groups. Its agenda has long stoked Russian propaganda about Kiev's so-called "invading fascists." The organization refuses to be absorbed into the command structure of Ukraine's armed forces and increasingly poses an internal threat to the country, shown by last month's deadly shootout with police in the western city of Mukachevo or their vociferous calls for the impeachment of President Petro Poroshenko.

The Sheikh Mansur group also fight alongside the Azov Battalion, a pro-Kiev force whose alleged neo-Nazi views led the US to ban American soldiers from training and arming its members. The group denies having an extremist agenda, despite adopting a symbol almost identical to the Wolfsangel emblem associated with Nazi Germany. And Muslim insists Ukraine's disparate militias are fully united.

"We have a very good relationship with the volunteer battalions, including Azov," he told VICE News. "We fight together on the front, share many friendships, and never argue about ethnicity or religion.

Related: We Witnessed an Initiation Ceremony That Turned Ragtag Rebels Into Cossacks

"There is nothing surprising about our alliance — we have a common enemy who doesn't care about us or our lands. The men in my unit are just simple Muslims and have no interest in making anyone else follow our religion."

Out of all Ukraine's volunteer battalions, Muslim spoke most fondly of Right Sector. "They exist outside the system and only fight for their land, not for money," he added. "We share this cause. Those within the system are a little different from us. As far as we are concerned, Right Sector fighters can do whatever they like — we are here only to fight Russia."

In Sheikh Mansur and Right Sector's shared compound, around an hour's drive from the front line, a shirtless Right Sector fighter lolled in the afternoon heat behind camouflage netting. He expressed a similar level of faith in the alliance, but didn't put too fine a point on it. "Chechens, Right Sector," said Vyjak, punching his right hand into the palm of his left: "Putin kaput."

Sergiy Vasilovich, head of Right Sector's political wing in Donbass, adopted a similar stance when asked about the group's relationship with Sheikh Mansur. "The volunteer battalions are like a tight fist, fully united in patriotism," he told VICE News.

Photo by Jack Crosbie

"Our objectives are to liberate Ukrainian territory up to the Russian border. We can do it now that Russia's economy is suffering but we cannot win by defending the front line alone."

Back at base, Muslim described how, as a young man, his national service in Chechnya morphed into a life of full-blown insurrection. After his republic declared independence and the Russian tanks rolled in, he went on to witness the horrors of the war first-hand in Grozny, a city annihilated by Moscow's forces.

"I have buried two brothers, several cousins and many friends," he said. "War is not a good thing. Russia wanted to take us back to the Stone Age."

Following a second war in 1999-2000, Moscow crushed the bulk of Chechen resistance and established a puppet state in the form of the Kadyrov dynasty as the underground resistance resorted to increasingly violent and extreme measures, such as assassinations, hostage-taking, sabotage, and suicide bombings.

Muslim said he was forced into hiding in the mountains and eventually left the country in 2007. "I was not scared but our forces were too weak," he said, his sleeve bearing a colorful insignia of the sun rising over a Chechen mountain. "I miss everything there. It is the most beautiful place in the world. For a Muslim, Mecca is the holiest place in the world. But as a man, Chechnya is my home."

'I have never worn a helmet or body armor' 

Following seven years as an exile, apparently living in France and Ukraine, Muslim in 2014 went to meet another Chechen rebel, General Isa Munayev — a key figure among all Chechens fighting in Ukraine. Munayev had been injured in 2006 during a counter-insurgency strike in Chechnya and was smuggled to Europe to seek treatment. He was granted political asylum in Denmark where he ran a group campaigning for Chechen independence, until events in Ukraine provided the perfect opportunity to resume his struggle against Russia.

He headed to Ukraine last spring where he was received by Kiev's military officers desperate for experienced fighters. Furnished with arms, Munayev formed the Dzhokhar Dudayev battalion, named after the late Chechen president and independence leader. It bristled with his compatriots — including Muslim, who went on to form the Sheikh Mansur battalion several months later — as well as Azeris, Georgians, Ingush, and Tatars.

In February, Munayev was killed fighting alongside the Ukrainian army during the vicious battle for Debaltseve. Adam Osmayev, a British-educated Chechen, replaced him, and Muslim has continued to operate with his own cohort.

Photo by Jack Crosbie

Chechens are a martial tribe, renowned and feared on the battlefield where many of them fight without protective gear. "I have never worn a helmet or body armor," Muslim said. "And neither have my fellow fighters. We're not used to it, it's not in our tradition. For a start, it's very heavy — far better to carry an extra 15 kilos (33lbs) of ammunition or weapons.

"There is a prescribed time for us to die, we believe in that final point. I've been fighting for more than 20 years — I know this to be absolutely true."

The Chechens on either side are prime candidates for executing dangerous raids and reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines, tactics honed during combat with Russia. "My men are good at that," Muslim said. "We have learned a lot about mountain and urban guerrilla warfare fighting Russia. Ukraine now wants to use our knowledge."

He claimed that his men had stolen military vehicles from separatist lines and even dragged a Russian soldier back last month. "We handed him to the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine)," he added, without going into further detail.

'Russia must be saved from Putin's gang'

Among its ranks, Sheikh Mansur reputedly counts men who have fought in anti-government forces in Syria. "They left and came here because it got so complicated." Muslim explained. "Initially it was just rebels versus Assad, but then there were too many groups.

"My first and eternal enemy is Russia so I will never fight in Syria. I cannot leave my personal enemy for them. If my house is on fire, I will not leave to extinguish another fire I see on the horizon. Here I see my enemy and no one can make me believe that Russia is otherwise. It is so simple for me."

When asked about the opposing Chechens fighting along with the separatists, the commander showed a surprising lack of rancor; he saves that for Putin. "We wouldn't call all of them traitors, some are just deceived," said Muslim. "Rather, I pity them, they are just trapped. I don't want us to fight — after our wars of independence, there aren't many of us left.

Related: The Holdouts: We Witnessed a Battalion's Final Days on Shyrokyne's Frontline

"Russia must be saved from Putin's gang. There is a lot of evil in the wider world because of that man. He is like a robot with only one setting. It's impossible to reason with a zombie."

Towards the end of the interview, a further possible motivation for his decision to fight in this foreign land became apparent. From 1932-33, Ukraine was ravaged by the Holodomor. A cataclysmic famine, the Holomodor was unleashed by Stalin to crush Ukrainian nationalism and collectivize farming across the USSR. Millions died amid forced grain seizures in a country famed for its fertile black earth, supposedly the breadbasket of the Soviet Union.

While some of those affected tried to reach neighboring Romania or Poland, others headed east to find food and refuge in Chechnya and Muslim's mountain village became one such a sanctuary.

"There were many elderly women in my village who had fled from Ukraine as young girls," he recalled, sipping his black tea. "I grew up with their stories of starvation. We know what happened to them. Chechens have shared Ukraine's tragedy."

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-08-30   9:53:41 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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