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Title: 'Bots - the Creatures of NEXT-GENERATION NAZISM
Source: SKYDRIFTER
URL Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Published: Jan 22, 2006
Author: SKYDRIFTER
Post Date: 2006-01-22 13:17:32 by SKYDRIFTER
Keywords: NEXT-GENERATION, Creatures, NAZISM
Views: 175
Comments: 8

‘Bots – the legacy of Auschwitz


          Most FR/LP generation forum readers know of my claim that Hitler’s Nazism was studied and re-engineered for ‘modern’ application; my descriptor – ”Next-Generation Nazism.”

          Last night, I was watching the Discovery Channel on the psychology of suicide bombers (overall - propaganda); when lo, they cited the “Milgram Experiment .” I’d never heard of it, before.

          The Milgram study cited the fact that the Eichmann trial stirred the question as to how easy good and educated people (college degree) could be conditioned to commit even murder – in exchange for “acceptance and approval.” More directly, it demonstrated the propensity of people to submit to even ‘mild’ authority – let alone threat or even internal fears. (Not even notable amounts of money are required) The psychiatrists of the day estimated 2% of any population would be compliant – the ‘sickos;’ the Milgram Study demonstrated 65%!

          Using actors as the ‘victims,’ the test subjects (“teachers”) asked questions of a presumed “student,” in a sealed booth, delivering increasing electrical shocks, if the ‘student’ got the wrong answer. As an extreme, a presumed torturous-fatal electric shock was incrementally delivered, by 65% of the unwitting “teachers.” The actors pretended to be stupid, seemingly requiring (deserving) increasing shocks – feigning pain, misery and unconsciousness. The “teachers” abided by the background ‘authority’ until they were doing the deeds of sadists & murderers – a convincing simulation, of course.

          Return to another fact of life – cultures hide the fact that in times of crisis, people have a third choice, beyond ‘fight-or-flight; specifically, “Submission.” (Ask a hold-up or rape victim!)

          In the Milgram study, the test subjects were unwittingly submitting to rather mild coercion of their ‘handlers.’ They assumed that they were factually torturing – even killing – the ‘students,’ preferring the acceptance-approval of their handlers, to their basic personal values and even morality, itself. They questioned, but with mild coercion, they complied with ‘authority.’

          Return to another idea – that the radical majority of any population lives in response to their “Sacred Illusions.” The spouse would NEVER cheat, one’s child could NEVER grossly misbehave. We all have such.

          Thus in the Milgram Experiment, the “Sacred Illusion” was that once agreeing to take on the task, the subject was compelled to submit to authority – and not much of it – even to the extreme of presumed sadism/murder.

          Thus, it must be observed that if the ‘65% ‘Bots’ can be stirred into sadism & murder, what does it take to get 95% of a given population to submit to the acceptance of propaganda – and the mandate for just ‘silence?’

          Next, go to the study of W.W. I “shell shock” and the near-zombies which that produced – as studied by the Tavistock Institute.

          Add the LSD & Amphetamine studies of the CIA’s “MKULTRA” project.

          Throw in the science of “Coercive Persuasion” (Jonestown stuff).

          “Voila! You have an easily-made “Manchurian Candidate!” Oswald, Ruby, Sirhan, James Earl Ray, McVeigh; we have lots of examples in the USA, alone.

          At the risk of being accused of being arrogant; for more PSYOPS ARTICLES:

AMERICAN MIND SLAVERY - PART 1

AMERICAN MIND SLAVERY - PART 2

AMERICAN MIND SLAVERY - PART 3

AMERICAN MIND SLAVERY - PART 4

AMERICAN MIND SLAVERY - PART 5


"Those who refuse to think ouside the proverbial 'box' are destined to be imprisoned and buried in it!"


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#1. To: All (#0)

More material on Milgram HERE.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-22   13:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Richard (#0)

PING!

Read it and weep, boy! You fit right in with it. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-22   13:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#0)

Obedience to Authority

The experiment by Stanley Milgram


Stanley Milgram, a psychologist at Yale University, conducted a study focusing on the conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience. He examined justifications for acts of genocide offered by those accused at the World War II, Nuremberg War Crimes trials. Their defence often was based on "obedience" - - that they were just obeying orders whilst under the authority of their superiors.

The experiment began in July 1961, a year after the trial of Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiment to answer the question "Could it be that Eichmann, and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"

The results of the study were made known in Milgram's Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (1974).

So-called "teachers" (who were actually the unknowing subjects of the experiment) were recruited by Milgram in response to a newspaper ad offering $4.50 for one hour's work. Individual subjects thus recruited turned up to take part in a Psychology experiment investigating memory and learning at Linsly- Chittenden Hall on Yale University's old campus. He or she was introduced to a stern looking experimenter in a white coat and to a rather pleasant and friendly co-subject who was also presumably recruited via the newspaper ad. The experimenter explained that one subject would be assigned the role of "teacher" and the other would be assigned the role of "learner."

Two slips of paper marked "teacher" were handed to the subject and to the co- subject. The co-subject was actually an actor who, in posing as a subject to the experiment, subsequently claimed that his slip said "learner" such that the unknowing subject was inevitably led to believe that his role as "teacher" had been chosen randomly.

Both learner and teacher were then given a sample 45-volt electric shock from an apparatus attached to a chair into which the "actor-learner" was to be strapped. The fictitious story given to the "teachers" was that the experiment was intended to explore the effects of punishment for incorrect responses on learning behavior.

A succession of unknowing subjects in their roles as teacher were given simple memory tasks in the form of reading lists of two word pairs and asking the "learner" to read them back and were instructed to administer a shock by pressing a button each time the learner made a mistake. It was understood that the electric shocks were to be of increased by 15 volts in intensity for each mistake the "learner" made during the experiment.

The shock generator that the "teacher" was told to operate had 30 switches in 15 volt increments, each switch was labeled with a voltage ranging from 15 up to 450 volts. Each switch also had a rating, ranging from "slight shock" to "danger: severe shock". The final two switches being labeled "XXX". The experiment was conducted in a scenario where the "learner" was in another room but the "teacher" was made aware of the "actor-learner's" discomfort by poundings on the wall.

No further shocks were actually delivered - the "teacher" was not aware that the "learner" in the study was actually an actor who was intended, by the requirements of the experiment, to use his talents to indicate increasing levels of discomfort as the "teacher" administered increasingly severe electric shocks in response to the mistakes made by the "learner".

The experimenter was present in the same room as the "teacher" and whenever "teachers" asked whether increased shocks should be given he or she was verbally encouraged by the experimenter to continue. In this scenario 65% of the "teachers" obeyed orders to punish the learner to the very end of the 450-volt scale! No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!

At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so.

In an article entitled "The Perils of Obedience" (1974) Stanley Milgram wrote:-

The Obedience to Authority experiment was continued by Milgram over a number of other scenarios such as where the "learner" could indicate discomfort by way of voice feedback - at "150 volts", the "actor-learner" requested that the experiment end, and was consistently told by the experimenter that - "The experiment requires that you continue. Please go on." or similar words. In this scenarion the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum 450 volts dropped slightly to 62.5%

Where the experiment was conducted in a nondescript office building rather than within the walls of a prestigiously ornate hall on Yale's old campus the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 47.5%.

Where the "teacher" had to physically place the "learner's" hand on a "shock plate" in order to give him shocks above 150 volts the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 30.0% and where the "experimenter" was at end of a phone line rather than being in the same room the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer 450 volts dropped to 20.5% and where the "teacher" could himself nominate the shock level the percentage of subjects who were prepared to continue to the end of the scale dropped to 2.5%

Milgram summed up his findings in relation to the main experiment in "The Perils of Obedience" (1974):-

The experiment has been repeated by other psychologists around the world with similar results. Variations have been performed to test for variables in the experimental setup. For example, subjects are much more likely to be obedient when the experimenter is physically present than when the instructions are given over telephone.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-22   13:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SKYDRIFTER (#3)

you're right. people are willing to do about whatever they're told to do by their superiors on their jobs. The US government is easily able to hire americans who are willing to murder even their own fellow americans. maybe barbara bush should start a campaign - 'just say no'. and campaign among CIA and US military employees.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-01-22   16:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SKYDRIFTER (#0)

Thus, it must be observed that if the ‘65% ‘Bots’ can be stirred into sadism & murder, what does it take to get 95% of a given population to submit to the acceptance of propaganda – and the mandate for just ‘silence?’

appalling. your *stuff* is always thought provoking.

christine  posted on  2006-01-22   17:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Bayonne, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#5)

appalling. your *stuff* is always thought provoking.

Thanks.

Now, ponder what can be accomplished with bribes & blackmail at the hands of those very same handlers!

These guys in the experiment did their murderous best for $4.50 in 1961 dollars!

(Oh, my God!)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-22   21:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SKYDRIFTER (#0)

Bookmarked great Psyop links.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-22   12:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SKYDRIFTER (#3)

Interesting information - thanks.

Beware the bot at the switch.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-04-22   12:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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