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Title: He'd Let Them Swarm In, Now He'd kick Them Out: Trump Does Drastic 180 on Syrian Immigrants In less Than A Month, His Desperate, Starry-Eyed Supporters Don't Even Notice
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2015/trump_ ... ic_180_on_Syrian_refugees.html
Published: Oct 6, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-10-06 14:00:35 by Artisan
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Views: 2634
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"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, with what's happening, you have to." - Donald Trump on Syrian refugees into the United States, less than 30 days ago

Look, everyone knows we need a real game-changer in this country, someone who cares about America. But let's not be so naive, gullible and desperate as to so easily fall for yet another one of these shysters. Just like his sudden, drastic "about-faces" on gun rights and illegal immigration, Donald "I'm A Big Fan Of Israel" Trump said less than 25 days ago that we must let Syrian immigrants in because it's a "humanitarian disaster" and the poor migrants were "in a living hell." This was reported worldwide including on CNN, Breitbart, Politico, Fox news and everywhere else. This week he's saying the exact opposite, that he would send them back, (presumably send back the same ones he promised to let in?) Where I come from theres an old saying which applies in this case. Trump's "so full of shit his eyes are brown." Also, here are his quotes supporting the assault weapons ban, longer 'waiting lists' and as well as his promotion of amnesty for the "good" illegal aliens who have not "broken the law." Yes his lines are good, (depending on which way the wind is blowing) but savvy political observers who know about gun rights, immigration and pro-life issues know that this Clinton and Harry Reid donor is as trustworthy as a used car salesman.

This week, it was reported: Donald Trump says he'd send back Syrian refugees taken in by the US

But less than a month ago, he said what he would really do, the exact opposite! It was widely reported worldwide:

  • CNN: Trump: U.S. Should Accept Some Syrian Refugees September 8, 2015 Washington (CNN)—Donald Trump thinks the United States should accept some refugees from Syria due to the "unbelievable humanitarian problem." Trump has made anti-immigration rhetoric a cornerstone of his campaign, but the Republican presidential candidate said Tuesday evening that though the migrants could pose a security risk -- floating the idea that there may be individuals with ties to Islamic militants -- he supported allowing them into America. "I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, with what's happening, you have to," Trump said to Fox News' Bill O'Reilly.

  • Politico: Trump Calls For Taking In Syrian Refugees

  • Breitbart: "You Have To": Trump Would Allow Syrian Refugees Into America

On guns, Trump has openly called for gun bans, and to this day supports longer waiting lists and 'background checks.' And in a recent interview with a gun rights group, he did not retract his position on assault weapons ban, but rather quibbled about the defintion of what's considered an assault weapon.

Here are some of the priceless comments from the gun rights forum from people who don't fall for Trump's b.s.:

  • Why is there a “no firearms” sign on the doors at Trump Towers?
  • Vanns40 says: Trump refuses to answer the question regarding expanding waiting periods and artfully sidestepped the assault weapons controversy. Be very careful in supporting someone who refuses to be explicit in their answers.
  • Judd Paynter says: I cannot believe you guys are being suckered by this man. WHO EVER VOTES FOR TRUMP…A FLAMING LIBERAL AT HEART, IS NOT A TRUE PATRIOT AMERICAN, BUT NOTHING MORE THAN RINOS WHO LIKE DUMOCRATS ARE THE RUINATION OF AMERICA. While Trump is not a prophet, this scripture fits those being deceived by him. Matthew 24:24 “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” You Trump zombies are no different than the sheeple who voted for Obama, and you will get the same from Trump. You will pay for having even supported Trump, but by then it will be too late.
  • Read Trumps comments, he and Hillary hold the exact same position on gun control. The NRA should compromise and support background checks, longer waiting periods and a ban on assault rifles. On guns he and Hillary are the same. Why would any gun owner support this?

  • The Donald .I must pass on. He is clearly no fan of citizen ownership of AR-15’s and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. He is a 1% elitist .Those untouchable gated community people who think they know better. Than the yeoman, common folk ,of America. If he is not like Bill % Hitlery Clinton. Why did he donate $100,000 to Clinton’s Globalist Initiative Foundation? Globalist really ? We are 7% of the world’s population. But we are unique .We are the greatest nation on this planet. These globalists want us to forget about being citizens of America. They want us to be citizen’s of the world. Worse they want us to be a vassal state to the United Nations. I say birds of a feather flock together. Historically nich people and gangsters in N.Y.City can get a pistol permit sidestepping the Sullivan Law. The common yeoman folk ,not very often. Besides Hitlery has already been chosen by the Globalist -Bilderburg’s to be the next POTUS. Presidents are not elected they are selected by the multinationals, bankers and globalists. At least I know who is pissing down my back and why. And it is not rain. All smoke n mirrors. Most Americans are asleep at the wheel. A hamburger and television mentality. We have lost the republic, that we were given !!!

  • If Donald the Scofflaw Trump is so successful at running businesses, why the multiple bankruptcies? Or is “running businesses into the ground” what you meant?

Here is Trump's waffling on immigration, backing away from his support of amnesty now that he's pretending to be a 'conservative.'

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#48. To: noone222 (#43)

The truth is more important to me than any ideology. I know myself and know that I don't have a personal agenda. I have been wrong in my thinking on issues at times because I was less informed or even ill informed. That being said, I haven't quit searching for the truth. ... I refrain from the seemingly endless and nauseating debates that organized religion and religious zealots instigate. That being said, it galls me so terribly to hear a fervent Catholic criticize someone else's political opinion that I cannot let it go.

When you said, "I quit," at #35, I was thinking like, "Unfair -- doing that before I could get back online to make any counterpoint of dissent or so much as ask a question." Good if you've reconsidered since then because I think now that there's a slight chance even you will approve of these political criticisms from the fervent Catholic, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who became the Conservative Pope Benedict XVI:

Wikipedia Reference

Papal Statements

On February 8, 1992, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger criticized U. S. President George H. W. Bush's recent speech calling for "a New World Order" in a speech of his own at the Università Cattolica del Sacro Cuore. ... Cardinal Ratzinger proceeded to quote from Pope Benedict XV's 1920 encyclical Bonum sane:

"The coming of a world state is longed for, by all the worst and most distorted elements. This state, based on the principles of absolute equality of men and a community of possessions, would banish all national loyalties. In it no acknowledgement would be made of the authority of a father over his children, or of God over human society. If these ideas are put into practice, there will inevitably follow a reign of unheard-of terror."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-08   20:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: GreyLmist (#48) (Edited)

Whew -- one whole paragraph in a private speech 23 years ago. The joint's really jumpin'!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-08   20:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: NeoconsNailed (#41)

The RCC sees itself as destined for the top of the NWO pyramid of power

That's what Protestants insist. Otherwise their Apocalyptic narrative unravels to shreds.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-08   20:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: NeoconsNailed (#49) (Edited)

Whew -- one whole paragraph in a private speech 23 years ago. The joint's really jumpin'!

I probably could have found a copy of his entire speech but doubtful you, et al, would have wanted to read it all anyway. Ergo, I decided not to go that wordier route. The Wikipedia source is about something along those lines in booklength form, if you're really that interested in more than just downrating Popes regardless of if they're Conservative or Liberal.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-08   20:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: noone222 (#45)

Still, "papist" is an ugly word.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-08   22:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: randge (#52)

I don't see why -- just somebody who embraces popery :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-08   22:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: NeoconsNailed (#53)

Ah. A potpourri of passive aggressive vituperation.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-08   22:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: randge (#54) (Edited)

If the dictionary definition won't satisfy, what can one say. Is papal a dirty word too?

Oh dear, the awful truth is everywhere. Just surfaced this minute!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-08   23:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: NeoconsNailed (#55)

Is papal a dirty word too?

You should have seen the looks I got at work once when I described a miserly coworker as "stingier than a penurious niggard".

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-08   23:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: StraitGate (#56)

MORE, Strategait -- much more from you please!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con..._the_word_%22niggardly%22

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-09   0:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: NeoconsNailed (#57)

OK. I once had a boss who would correct anyone who used the entomological word "chigger". "Chegro", he would chide.

But I thought that was grossly insensitive, as it was dangerously close to "chigra". So I called them "chacks", and later, when that term also fell to verbotenstatus, "chafrican americans". Now, walking in even brighter light, I simply call them "chequals".

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-09   1:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: NeoconsNailed (#55)

What makes you such a great christian that you get to call other christians names??

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-09   7:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: randge (#59)

That doesn't sound like much of an answer to my question. And when did I call my fellow Christians any names?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-09   10:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: Artisan (#23) (Edited)

Are you really kidding me? I thought of all people you'd see through this fraud. And if you fall for the proven MYTH that GOPers are pro life and they'll give us good SC justices! They'll stop abortion"

GM that's such a sad naive contention. As if abortionist fag lover roberts who appointed by "conservative" gwbush, gifted us with obamacare.

If you fall for the absurd atrocity that this HARRY REID DONR; JEWISH TOADY AND NETANYAHU ENDORSEE trump is your hero, go for it. Btw he's also an abortionist, fag lover and high tax. Advocate. For myself, ill never make a deal with satanic filth.

No, I wasn't kidding. I realize your writings are geared more for a Conservative readership than not but don't you think they might rather see you anathemize Democrat partiers as much or more than Trump and other Republicans? I know that I'd rather see more focus on deterring Leftist voting.

I'm not a big fan of Roberts and object that he, as a SCOTUS newbie, was made Chief Justice instead of Scalia. Yes, Congress and Roberts and his Obamacare cadre of benchpersons all voted for that Unconstitutionality. He did, though, manage to vote rightly against the imposition of Marriage gender confusion: Here Are The 11 Most Devastating Quotes From John Roberts’ Gay Marriage Dissent

You seem to have a more statuesque opinion of Trump than I do. I like to think it's possible for people, even if they're politicians, to evolve towards better standards of ethics and Constitutional alignment -- not be diminished quite so much by their previous mistakes and measured more by how much they could do right, given the chance. Maybe Devvy Kidd could counsel him to be Pro-Life:

Planned Parenthood is a private organization, not part of the U.S. government. They provide services for women's health issues, murdering unborn babies and selling their tissue and body parts.

I'm not advocating making a deal with satanics of any type. I wouldn't even advocate voting for candidates who shouldn't be running because they aren't Constitutionally qualified as natural born citizens for the Presidency or Vice Presidency. Of course you should vote or not in accordance with your conscience but, imo, not voting shouldn't be counted so simply as if not making something of a deal with the entire field of ballot contenders -- i.e. by no resistance to other voters who aren't as Politically Puritanical or as well-informed about issues, perhaps choosing wronger for America than you would have. Also, sounding so similar to this quote from Dante's "Divine Comedy": “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!” ... Seriously, what of any good for Patriots is being suggested that way? -- because surrendering our right to vote unless we can vote most optimally doesn't seem to me like the correctest direction to go.

P.S. Dante's penmanship, btw, had something to do with augmenting the divisive, "Reformationist" fragmentings of Christendom.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-09   10:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: GreyLmist (#48)

"The coming of a world state is longed for, by all the worst and most distorted elements. This state, based on the principles of absolute equality of men and a community of possessions, would banish all national loyalties. In it no acknowledgement would be made of the authority of a father over his children, or of God over human society. If these ideas are put into practice, there will inevitably follow a reign of unheard-of terror."

Great statement with much foresight.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-09   12:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: Artisan (#25) (Edited)

Me at #20: which resulted in the obliteration of Marriage and Freedom of Religion by SCOTUS

You at #25: No court or devil wearing a black robed costume has any authority to destroy marriage. Marriage is a sacred indissoluble bond created by God & entered into by a man & woman. Anyone who believes that govt can end or change marriage is wrong. People who afvocate sodomy, promiscuity, adultery, fornication, or any mortal sin will learn the truth the moment they die, and if they don't repentt before that moment then they will be damned to hell for all eternity.

I should have been more clear about what I hurriedly stated in "shorthand", so to speak, as "the obliteration of Marriage and Freedom of Religion by SCOTUS". What I meant was more in the sense of tyrannical, Federal overreach and abuse of power by enforcibly obliterating those matters, as far their wrongful and harmful newfangled-actionings are Commie, socio-engineering policy threats and manglements of our Constitution; and even to the extent of jeopardizing the employability and electability of religious Christians (ref. the case of Kentucky's Kim Davis). To try and recap the abominable and foriegn-system transpirings decreed here by the wantonly wayward and unsensible "ship-of-State Reconstructionism" crews about such:

1. The Federal government itself did not legitimize same-sex partnership stylizations of "Marriage" for tax exemptions and Insurance Complex beneficary purposes and so on.

2. Instead of the Federal government being lawsuited by agendists over that, all of the States were denied their decisive rights, their State Constitution voting rights were presumptively deemed "invalidated" on the issue and the American "Commons" was collectively punished/condemned to be reconfigured in comportment with the Unconstitutional appeasement of special interest groups.

3. In the process of violating Constitutional law to that effect, the 14th Amendment was absurdly invoked as SCOTUS "justification" -- the very same one the Federales invoke for "Affirmative Action" privileges or not to render Unequal Protection of anyone unfortunate enough to be classified as a "non-minority", which amounts to an unlawful Bill of Attainder against them contrary to A1S9 and A1S10 of the Constitution, as well as A4S2, Clause 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-09   14:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: noone222 (#62)

"The coming of a world state is longed for, by all the worst and most distorted elements. This state, based on the principles of absolute equality of men and a community of possessions, would banish all national loyalties. In it no acknowledgement would be made of the authority of a father over his children, or of God over human society. If these ideas are put into practice, there will inevitably follow a reign of unheard-of terror."

Great statement with much foresight.

Wow! Glad to hear your opinion of that. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-09   14:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: Artisan (#0)

CNN: Trump: U.S. Should Accept Some Syrian Refugees September 8, 2015 Washington (CNN)—Donald Trump thinks the United States should accept some refugees from Syria due to the "unbelievable humanitarian problem." Trump has made anti-immigration rhetoric a cornerstone of his campaign, but the Republican presidential candidate said Tuesday evening that though the migrants could pose a security risk -- floating the idea that there may be individuals with ties to Islamic militants -- he supported allowing them into America. "I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, with what's happening, you have to," Trump said to Fox News' Bill O'Reilly.

Just saying on the refugee issue that there's much difference between refugee status and illegal alien migration. Refugees aren't considered to be immigrants exactly, are verified as humanitarian or political asylum seeking cases, are monitored as such and limitless numbers are not permitted to swarm in, afaik.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-09   16:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: NeoconsNailed (#57) (Edited)

And of course you can't fish with a wetfly on the Rio Grande. No. You have to call your lure an undocumusca.

Edit: On second thought, undaquamusca might be even better.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-09   21:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: noone222 (#33)

I don't suppose that you're equating the current Pope to Judas ?

It appears that the Roman Church will destroy itself like Amerika from within. The Catholic Church is the greatest spreader of guilt in children, from don't eat meat on Fridays (when I was a kid) to making certain other failings "so-called" MORTAL SINS. The Bible states that there is only one sin unto death and that is "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit."

No, I am not calling Pope Francis Judas. I was referring to the fallen nature of man and that men will fall unto corruption and sin, and give bad examples and horrible leadership, instead of being devout and pious as they should try to be. All this corruption does not mean the Catholic church is not the true Christian church. It means that the church is going through a passion. beaten, battered, bloody, even unrecognizable to some, but the Body of Christ will prevail.

here are my 3 points i referred to.

1. Unlike many Catholics, I am someone who isn't afraid to acknowledge and expose the rot and corruption and perversion among some of the people in the church. (it's far from 'all of them.') I'm a 'NWO-wise' Catholic, & I dont go for garbage like global warming hysteria, open borders, etc. None of that is church teaching anyway and it never will be. I posted what the Catechism actually says about borders, a few weeks ago. it is solid.

2. You probably know this, but it's not correct to compare 'the unforgivable sin' of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to what's called a MORTAL SIN. Mortal sins are not considered 'unforgivable sins.' They are serious, grave sins (violating one of the Ten Commandments) which someone willfully consents to commit. When a person commits one, they no longer have 'sanctifying grace' and must either be absolved in confession or have perfect contrition ('perfect sorrow' for the sin is that sorrow not motivated by a mere fear of hell). if one dies in the state of mortal sin they will go to hell. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mortal-sin

3. Authority is very important. When I say the church has the only valid authority, that means that every single priest and bishop on earth can trace directly back to Jesus himself.

Origins of Peter as Pope Jesus Christ’s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

I am not an expert, that is why we have the church, which has the authority to teach and declare doctrines and tradition.

Apostolic Succession
What is meant by the term Apostolic Succession?
Church of Christ, must be able to trace her doctrine, her orders, all her mission, to the Apostles of Christ and so ultimately, by Apostolic Succession we mean that Lawful Succession of the hierarchy from the Apostles by means of the Orders validly received while simultaneously having transmitted the same faith of the Apostles. And so in its concrete form, apostolic succession is the unbroken line of bishops stretching back to the apostles, who held communion with Rome.

... Conclusion: It seems clear then that the Catholic Faith and the Catholic Faith alone can claim to be that Church as founded by Christ because She alone, has, beyond all doubt, existed in every age, from the present till the Apostolic age. Her pastors are the only pastors on earth, who can trace their mission from priest to bishop, and from bishop to Pope, back through every century, until they trace that mission to the Apostles, who were commissioned by Christ himself. Hence, it is this Church and This Church alone, which can claim a right to our obedience and our assent in what it propose to us for belief since the faith She holds up for our Belief is non other than that inviolable and immutable truth of God Himself.

... thanks for listening. :-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-09   21:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: GreyLmist (#48)

Papal Statements

On February 8, 1992, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger criticized U. S. President George H. W. Bush's recent speech calling for "a New World Order" in a speech of his own at the Università Cattolica del Sacro Cuore. ... Cardinal Ratzinger proceeded to quote from Pope Benedict XV's 1920 encyclical Bonum sane:

"The coming of a world state is longed for, by all the worst and most distorted elements. This state, based on the principles of absolute equality of men and a community of possessions, would banish all national loyalties. In it no acknowledgement would be made of the authority of a father over his children, or of God over human society. If these ideas are put into practice, there will inevitably follow a reign of unheard-of terror."

Thanks so much for that! Very interesting that the (to be) Pope Benedict XVI quoted from Pope Benedict XV's encyclical. Now i am ging to have to find the originals of Ratzinger's speech and that encyclical too. :-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-09   21:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: GreyLmist (#61)

I'm not advocating making a deal with satanics of any type. I wouldn't even advocate voting for candidates who shouldn't be running because they aren't Constitutionally qualified as natural born citizens for the Presidency or Vice Presidency. Of course you should vote or not in accordance with your conscience but, imo, not voting shouldn't be counted so simply as if not making something of a deal with the entire field of ballot contenders -- i.e. by no resistance to other voters who aren't as Politically Puritanical or as well-informed about issues, perhaps choosing wronger for America than you would have. Also, sounding so similar to this quote from Dante's "Divine Comedy": “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!” ... Seriously, what of any good for Patriots is being suggested that way? -- because surrendering our right to vote unless we can vote most optimally doesn't seem to me like the correctest direction to go.

i'm sorry i phrased it that way, i wasnt implying that you'd make a deal with the devil. i know youre a good person.

i am not advocating that people despair, or lose hope, not at all. Personally i dont put any hope into these filthy corrupt politicians. i want to make people awaken and care about the important things in life instead of the trivial superficial stuff that many of the masses are immersed in.

as i wrote to someone here recently, any human that openly advocates the 'right' to slaughter unborn babies under any pretext or circumstance ('pro choice') is morally deranged and perhaps even possessed. thats why, even though no one in our govt could or really wants to end abortion, if they even support it, that is the best litmus test to reject them.

JT contends i have an unreasonable 'patriot purity test', which no one can measure up to,. perhaps thats true. i dont give anyone loyalty unless i think they deserve it. im not impressed by many people.

as far as rallying against the gop (fake conservatives) instead of the dems... The reason i rallied against bush in 2001-2008 and all the rest of them- schwarzenegger, whoever, et. al,- is because theres actually nothing worse than a traitor- someone who pretends to be 'conservative' but is the opposite- in a way theyre even worse than the dems, who are generlaly open about all the filth they believe. the phonies are liars, decievers! and who is the father of lies?

This homily from a Catholic priest is from my favorite website. This is the kind of stuff i listen to. their website is an invaluable treasure trove. It's just as good (or even better!) as Archbishop Fulton Sheen, who i was raised on. maybe youve seen me refer to the story behind the website and how i found it, and its significance for me.

WE HAVE NO HOME HERE

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-09   21:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: GreyLmist, neoconsnailed (#65)

Just saying on the refugee issue that there's much difference between refugee status and illegal alien migration.

tell that to the poor white europeans who are being raped, robbed and terrorized by these alleged ''refugee'' savages, who are all young black /muslim men! no gramdmas, mothers, toddlers at all. this whole thing is some sort of sham.

but aside from that, even if refugees were different than migrants, (essentially economic refugees), my point was not to debate the difference between refugees and migrants, but rather to point out that TRUMP SAID WE NEED TO BRING THE SYRIANS IN, and then 20 some days later he's blustering I'D KICK THEM ALL OUT"! and people cheer him as if they have no freaking clue at all that a number of hours previously he said the polar, exact 180 opposite.

he insists ludicrously that we need to let them flock in, and then 20 days later blusters "i'd kick them out." First of all, anyone not retarded knows that the president has zero authority to ''kick anyone out'' of the u.s. once they are in, they are entitled to a lengthy, very slow immigration hearing process. that pesky rule of law thing. hundreds of thousands of them would take years for this and none of them would ever leave. we dont live in a cartoon show. trump is like a bad cartoon character.

this combover Harry reid donor is beyond a clown and reading some weird script, written by (???) depending on which way the wind blows at the moment. i actually miss rand paul at this point and thats saying a lot! lol!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-10   1:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: Artisan (#67)

I believe that you are thoroughly brainwashed (as I admit to once being). I am a Bible believer but am not a Catholic. [Another situation wherein I was allegedly committed before I could make the determination for myself].

You may think it appropriate to gloss over or even ignore the many crimes and inconsistencies of the Roman Church as relates to the teachings of Christ and the Church. Mortal sins aren't mentioned as such in the Bible. All have fallen short. The infallibility doctrine is another Roman insertion that really appears a forgery since Christ also told Peter once "get thee hence satan."

[At one time the Vatican posted a link on their website that contained frescoes depicting papal power over European Kings. I have attempted to re-visit this site numerous times without success. It may have been removed. The frescoes depicted European Kings kissing the Popes ring and bowing before him. This was a portrayal of secular power not to be confused with the humble teachings of Christ.

Selling absolutions to the mafia and even laundering their dirty drug fortunes through the Vatican Bank doesn't exactly fit the criteria set forth by Christ, does it ?

And for you to make an absurd statement that "the Church" alone can claim to have been founded by Christ when in fact the folks that actually became that church had been murdering Christians by the millions from before Christ's death and resurrection until 325 AD makes the claim preposterous.

Christ said "let God be true and ALL MEN LIARS" and the Pope is a man. Some of these men have been well behaved while others have been just like many other narcissistic leaders, thugs and murderers.

The papacy and Catholicism has violated the principles laid down by Christ throughout the ages from simple things such as "call no man father" to collecting "Peter's pence" and dictating policies to other Roman murderer kings. Popes have granted Charters to nation states allowing them to murder "savages" that they encounter while at the same time being admonished to leave Christian land claimants alone.

I too was told that Peter was the rock upon which the church was founded and I even believed that nonsense when I was a kid. But is it more likely that the Church was founded upon Christ being the Messiah or Peter the denier of Christ ? ALSO( I tried to believe that only Catholics were privy to salvation and heaven as taught by the black robe wearing frauds that make up the "church."

Whose words are we to believe, when the scripture admonishes us to not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing when tithing and the Catholic Church makes a public list of what their congregations give. What of the gazillions of idols cluttering up every catholic church in violation of the commandments ? What do you make of the Mary worship within Catholicism ? Why did the Catholic Church destroy Bibles and refuse to let their members read it for centuries ?

I'd really like to state that my dad was an Indianapolis City Fireman and most of the people we associated with were Irish Catholic Firemen along with their families. I haven't met a better bunch of folks in my life. However, that doesn't mean that they, myself, and you weren't misled by the Pagan Roman Catholic Church of Constantine.

The modern day Rabbis claim an unbroken lineage from the Pharisees. And the truth is they were teaching the TRADITIONS of MEN brought back to Jerusalem from Babylon - the same place that gave us Sun(day) worship through Catholicism. Jesus said that the traditions of men made His Father's laws of no effect, and so does the Catholic Church.

Your claim that the "Roman Church has authority" is bogus at best because none have authority from Christ to violate Christ's doctrines. Did Christ dress up like a fish god ? No, but the Babylonian high priests did and so do Popes.

Martin, I'd say that you have taken a lot on "faith" - faith demanded by men claiming only they have the truth and authority over men's souls. That is bullshit of the highest order.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-10   11:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: noone222 (#71)

Very very astute, Doug! Clearly in Mt 16:18 the sense is "on the truth you have confessed, I will build my church". This is the standard interpretation. How could the church have been built on any man?

Catholic kiddies even sing "Peter built the church on the rock of our faith" -- this too is a stretch, but it's not "Jesus built the church on the rock of St. Peter."

"Supporters of papal claims often depicted emperors and kings humbling themselves before popes."

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-10   11:37:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)

The one thing I always thought odd about being a Catholic even as a kid was that the priests seldom read more than a single sentence from the Bible before expounding Catholic Doctrine. When the Bible states that "they will make merchandise of your souls" it is describing the Roman Church to a tee.

Side Note: I went to a public high school after graduating from a Catholic grade school. I attended Catholic instruction classes one night a week during my freshman year as "mandated" by my parish. During my second year of public high school a priest, Father Ripperger, told us IT WAS A MORTAL SIN" to quit these instruction classes. That was the last instruction class I attended because I didn't think the priest had any authority to create a sin that damned a kid to hell.

Christ taught that we should know the tree by its fruit. The fruit of Catholicism is a very secretive clique of self promoting elites that wear fine linens and pretend holiness while gobbling up the homes and wealth of their misguided and guilt riddled followers. Many widows leave their homes and other property to this vile organization.

Today, the Holy See is handing out maps, money, and other necessary information to complete an underground railroad into the United States for all of those invaders from south of the U.S. border. The Papacy is teaming up with other secretive elites (banksters/Bilderbergers) to create a one world governing body while at the same time incrementally accepting blatant violations of scripture with respect to abortions and homosexuality.

The Papacy has facilitated the reconstruction of the Roman Empire using NATO and the European Union along with the U.S. Military (Praetorian Guard) to enhance the globalist agenda. Why else do communist and capitalist alike kiss the Pope's ring whenever convenient to a G-20 or Bilderberg event ?

The Catholic Church has always been a pagan organization, a wolf in sheep's clothing. There is nothing new under the sun.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-11   8:31:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: Artisan (#70)

The one thing I always thought odd about being a Catholic even as a kid was that the priests seldom read more than a single sentence from the Bible before expounding Catholic Doctrine. When the Bible states that "they will make merchandise of your souls" it is describing the Roman Church to a tee.

Side Note: I went to a public high school after graduating from a Catholic grade school. I attended Catholic instruction classes one night a week during my freshman year as "mandated" by my parish. During my second year of public high school a priest, Father Ripperger, told us IT WAS A MORTAL SIN" to quit these instruction classes. That was the last instruction class I attended because I didn't think the priest had any authority to create a sin that damned a kid to hell.

Christ taught that we should know the tree by its fruit. The fruit of Catholicism is a very secretive clique of self promoting elites that wear fine linens and pretend holiness while gobbling up the homes and wealth of their misguided and guilt riddled followers. Many widows leave their homes and other property to this vile organization.

Today, the Holy See is handing out maps, money, and other necessary information to complete an underground railroad into the United States for all of those invaders from south of the U.S. border. The Papacy is teaming up with other secretive elites (banksters/Bilderbergers) to create a one world governing body while at the same time incrementally accepting blatant violations of scripture with respect to abortions and homosexuality.

The Papacy has facilitated the reconstruction of the Roman Empire using NATO and the European Union along with the U.S. Military (Praetorian Guard) to enhance the globalist agenda. Why else do communist and capitalist alike kiss the Pope's ring whenever convenient to a G-20 or Bilderberg event ?

The Catholic Church has always been a pagan organization, a wolf in sheep's clothing. There is nothing new under the sun.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-11   10:34:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: noone222 (#74)

while at the same time incrementally accepting blatant violations of scripture with respect to abortions and homosexuality.

The church has never approved of either abortion or homosexuality; it plainly forbids and condemns both. Matter of fact, Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenbthood, admtitted that her main adversary was the Catholic church and her motivation was to go against the Catholic church. So the abortionists you rightly deride know who their main enemy was/is, even if you don't.
Mike Wallace questions Margaret Sanger on Eugenics, Her opposition to the Catholic Church, 1957

Bush senior, the 'globalist' (Satanist) and population control advocate, was also against the church and vowed to fight the Catholic churhc, from the floor of congress no less!
George H.W. Bush: Evil Population Control Ghoul: "RUBBERS GOES TO CONGRESS"

By the way, every single one of those protestant "martin luther inspired' break-offs from the true church wholeheartedly endorse artificial contraception, which is a sin and straight from satan. guess who forbids it?

Thats right.

Why else do communist and capitalist alike kiss the Pope's ring whenever convenient to a G-20 or Bilderberg event ?

Maybe because they know who's boss., and who will win in the end?

The Catholic Church has always been a pagan organization, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

We will never agree on this.

How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-11   11:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: noone222 (#73)

Amen amen! The RCC's authority shtick is in fact its downfall. Either the Bible or the "teaching" and "tradition" are -- it can't be both. You're paraphrasing the good Book quite aptly here. And as you point out, the RCC is helping to kill amerika the fastest way there is without bombs -- replacement demographics.

Next to this GENOCIDE, the question of what a plope thinks of socialism looks pretty silly in a way, doesn't it? Destruction of borders plus endless free handouts, services and perks for the invaders IS SOCIALISM.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-11   20:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: Artisan (#75) (Edited)

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

In my estimation most organized "churches" have adopted Catholicism in practice. They may speak against the Catholic church but in operation they adhere to most of the Catholic doctrines with few exceptions.

Many of these churches have Halloween parties, celebrate Easter, even have Easter Egg hunts, and celebrate Christmas which are all pagan rituals that were blended into Christianity by the Roman Church.

Halloween is death worship (necromancy), Easter is fertility worship, and Christmas is the celebration of the winter solstice (Saturnalia), all are pagan. When I was yet a Catholic they spoke of relics such as a bone or some artifact possessed by a so-called saint, that we could pray to for certain causes. St Christopher medals and other voodoo talismans are employed.

I notice that you often refer to the church's position rather than the Biblical position. Do you recall going to confession as a kid and being instructed by the priest to say 5 Hail Mary's and 5 Our Father's to atone for your sins ?

Confession starts when the confessor states "bless me father for I have sinned". Christ instructed us to "call no man father" but our Heavenly Father ... Christ also admonished us against making repetitive prayers such as saying the rosary or 5 hail Mary's and 5 Our Father's.

You either trust in man or you trust in God's word. At one point in the scriptures Paul states "you worship what you know not" ... speaking of a shrine to the UNKNOWN god. I have known and loved many Catholics in my lifetime but they have been misled by "the church" just as many other denominational churches mislead their flocks.

Martin, I was raised Catholic and believed it to be the true Church just as I was taught by the Catholic Church. However, when I started studying the Bible it became blatantly obvious that the Roman Catholic Church was not only a sham, it was deadly evil and it made merchandise of men's souls.

Catholics are expected to believe their priests and the Pope without comparing the teachings of the Church to those of the scriptures.

Christ taught that at the judgment there would be many claiming to have cast out demons and healed the sick in His name to which He replied "depart from me for I NEVER knew you" ... who do you suppose that would be ?

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-12   8:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: NeoconsNailed (#76)

There are a lot of good folks in the government and in the churches. Those in the government these days ignore their founding documents just as the churches are doing.

If the churches were to regain their backbone and stand according to scripture things would be quite different. However, the churches have acquiesced to the 501(c)(3) grant from the government rather than stand together and let Uncle Sambo know that the tithe is GOD's money, the Bible is GOD's word, and the government has no legitimate claim. Instead, the Churches take the money and report to the government what every giver donates as part of their obligation under govt granted 501 status which in actuality is THEIR GOD. The reporting of tithes is strictly forbidden by scripture.

The only thing a human being has to offer God is trust. Today most men/women trust man and not God. I say, if God be for me, who can be against me ?

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-12   8:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: noone222 (#78)

Right. And churches are still tax-IMMUNE under the law whether they have these infernal certificates or not. Unfortunately, the govt is as ignorant of that as they are.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-12   11:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: NeoconsNailed (#79)

The 501(c)(3) Tax Exempt Organizations (including the STATE churches) will be required to accept the homo agenda as well as the abortionist agenda because they have taken on FEDERAL corporate status requiring and obligating them to adhere to all FEDERAL legal standards.

Catholic operated hospitals will be required to perform legally, the Bible be damned.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-12   11:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: noone222 (#80)

That's exactly right. EVERYTHING we will not fight to keep will be stolen from us, freedom and privacyincluded. They're already lawless and trampling any law they think they can. It's an extreme situation waiting to get extremer, likely by way of open race war in every city, blax shooting cops on sight from coast to coast like "Minister" Farrakhoon wants.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-12   12:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: noone222 (#77)

Halloween is death worship (necromancy), Easter is fertility worship, and Christmas is the celebration of the winter solstice (Saturnalia), all are pagan. When I was yet a Catholic they spoke of relics such as a bone or some artifact possessed by a so-called saint, that we could pray to for certain causes. St Christopher medals and other voodoo talismans are employed.

I notice that you often refer to the church's position rather than the Biblical position. Do you recall going to confession as a kid and being instructed by the priest to say 5 Hail Mary's and 5 Our Father's to atone for your sins ?

Confession starts when the confessor states "bless me father for I have sinned". Christ instructed us to "call no man father" but our Heavenly Father ... Christ also admonished us against making repetitive prayers such as saying the rosary or 5 hail Mary's and 5 Our Father's.

You either trust in man or you trust in God's word. At one point in the scriptures Paul states "you worship what you know not" ... speaking of a shrine to the UNKNOWN god. I have known and loved many Catholics in my lifetime but they have been misled by "the church" just as many other denominational churches mislead their flocks.

Martin, I was raised Catholic and believed it to be the true Church just as I was taught by the Catholic Church. However, when I started studying the Bible it became blatantly obvious that the Roman Catholic Church was not only a sham, it was deadly evil and it made merchandise of men's souls.

Catholics are expected to believe their priests and the Pope without comparing the teachings of the Church to those of the scriptures.

I know you were raised Catholic and I know you're sincere in what you believe, (i'd say you still are Catholic, since baptised Catholics are Catholic). we used to call them called 'fallen-aways,' i have at least a few 'fallen away' relatives!

what you're referring to above is 'sola scriptura'. since the church is the one who gave us the bible, and the church existed prior to the new testament, how is all truth supposed to originate in the bible since Christianity was established prior to it???

http://www.catholicbasictraining.com/apologetics/coursetexts/1n.htm

Historical arguments against sola scriptura

The history of the Bible shows, very clearly, that the Church was the organization who made the Bible and that the Church is older than the Bible. The Bible itself shows that there were Christians before a word of the New Testament was written – the whole of the book of Acts, for example, describes the early life of the Church from the Ascension of Jesus onwards. There is no doubt whatsoever that these people were Christians.

However, these people cannot have had a copy of the New Testament – the last book of the New Testament was written around 100 AD. Before that date no Christian could have had a complete “Bible” as we understand it today. If the Bible is the “sole source of Christian teaching and knowledge” as sola scriptura claims, how can these people have been Christians? Peter, Paul, James, John and Andrew never saw a complete modern Bible – what they had was the Old Testament Scriptures and the preaching and Tradition of the Church.

Also: Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura

You probably know you'll never convince me of your point of view, and i, even though i would hope to, might not convince you either, so we're at an impasse.

i'd just ask you to examine precisely who originated all these anti catholic arguments that you were exposed to as a youngster. what was THEIR background? their training? their credentials? what is their creed?

much of it, Im not saying in your case, but most of the anti Catholic propaganda originated in 1789, with the french revolution. their ideas still permeate today in all countries, even though their adherents might not realize that theyre reading someone's (the freemasons) script. i have relatives in the usa and mexico who spout the same exact lines. "organized religion is simply to control the masses."...

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-12   23:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: noone222 (#77)

When does he ever refer to the Bible except to lowrate Sola Scriptura or prop up the institution and its endless rigmarole, Noone?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-12   23:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: NeoconsNailed (#83)

When does he ever refer to the Bible except to lowrate Sola Scriptura or prop up the institution and its endless rigmarole, Noone?

NN, the bible is not the source of truth or the source of the church, or the source of Christianity for that matter. It's quite the opposite. the church GAVE us the bible. the prots removed several books, and changed and fiddled with the wording of much of it after the 1500s,. a short time ago, relatively.

see this link above.

the last book of the New Testament was written around 100 AD. Before that date no Christian could have had a complete “Bible” as we understand it today. If the Bible is the “sole source of Christian teaching and knowledge” as sola scriptura claims, how can these people have been Christians? Peter, Paul, James, John and Andrew never saw a complete modern Bible – what they had was the Old Testament Scriptures and the preaching and Tradition of the Church.

and by the way, in case you havent ever noticed my sig line... it is from the bible!

(yes, that happens to be one of the books that the protestants removed!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-12   23:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: Artisan (#84)

You already said all that. I asked Noone.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-13   0:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: NeoconsNailed (#83)

When does he ever refer to the Bible except to lowrate Sola Scriptura or prop up the institution and its endless rigmarole, Noone?

Everyone doesn't become aware at the same time. As I mentioned before, I too, believed the Roman Church to be the true church. My dog tags referenced my Catholic faith when I was in the military. I hadn't been a practicing Catholic for quite awhile yet I still felt obligated to state my former belief system.

I wouldn't consider coming out against the Roman Church had I not discovered so much that is carried out by the Church in direct violation of the very scriptures supposed to be the foundation of the church and doctrine of Christ.

The evidence against the Catholic Church is voluminous yet millions remain believers much like many Americans still fastened to the (non-existent) Constitution and U.S. FEDERAL Govt.

The last thing I want to say concerning this thread is that the Bible states "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day". The God that created the universe has little need for the likes of us to accomplish His agenda. So often we reduce God and much else to fit our finite mentality ... and, we debate things without having complete knowledge, and centuries of propaganda to overcome.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-13   8:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#87. To: Artisan (#82)

most of the anti Catholic propaganda originated in 1789, with the french revolution. their ideas still permeate today in all countries, even though their adherents might not realize that theyre reading someone's (the freemasons) script.

02/18/2013: [Pope Benedict XVI/Fr. Joseph] Ratzinger ... on the future of the Church - Vatican Insider

A week after Benedict XVI's shock [retirement] announcement, an important statement he once made comes to light ... made 40 years ago on the future of Christianity by a young Bavarian theologian, Joseph Ratzinger.

In five little known radio speeches made in 1969 and published again a while ago by Ignatius Press in the volume “Faith and the Future”, the future Pope gave his vision of the future of man and the Church.

Ratzinger said he was convinced the Church was going through an era similar to the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. “We are at a huge turning point – he explained – in the evolution of mankind. This moment makes the move from Medieval to modern times seem insignificant.” Professor Ratzinger compared the current era to that of Pope Pius VI who was abducted by troops of the French Republic and died in prison in 1799. The Church was fighting against a force which intended to annihilate it definitively, confiscating its property and dissolving religious orders.

Today's Church could be faced with a similar situation, undermined, according to Ratzinger, by the temptation to reduce priests to “social workers” and it and all its work reduced to a mere political presence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-10-16   5:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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