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Title: (Updated Version) Turkish F-16 Shoots Down Russian Su-24 Warplane Near Syria Border
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URL Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015- ... -24-warplane-near-syria-border
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-11-24 04:27:06 by Horse
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Views: 136
Comments: 12

Moments ago a big black geopolitical swan landed when newswires lit up with headlines that a Turkish F-16 shot down what was initially said to be an unidentified warplane near the Syrian border after it violated Turkey's airspace on Tuesday, a Turkish military official said, but the nationality of the downed aircraft was not immediately clear.

According to Reuters, Turkish F16s warned the jet repeatedly over the airspace violations before shooting it down.

Footage from private broadcaster Haberturk TV showed a warplane going down in flames in a woodland area, a long plume of smoke trailing behind it. The plane went down in area known by Turks as "Turkmen Mountain" in northern Syria near the Turkish border, Haberturk said.

Minutes later, the Turkish Lira sank like a rock while risk assets across Europe tumbled when the Turkish presidency confirmed that, as many had expected, the jet was a Russian Su-24.

To be sure, Turkey claims it tried to warn the plane repeatedly:

RUSSIAN JET IGNORED REPEATED WARNINGS, TURKISH PRESIDENCY SAYS

However, while moments ago the Russian defense ministry confirmed that the shot down plane was indeed one of its own in what will be deemed a clear act of aggression by a NATO-member country against Russia, the Russian defense ministry said it could prove the aircraft was over Syria for the entire flight.

The ministry added that the pilots ejected, according to preliminary info, and that Russia trying to determine their fates, Interfax reports. Interfax also adds that the plane was probably downed by fire from ground, and that it had been flying at flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.

Meanwhile, Turkish media reported that either one or both of the pilots may have been captured by Turkmen forces located in the region.

TURKMEN FORCES CAPTURE 2 PILOTS OF DOWNED RUSSIAN JET: AHABER

This huge escalation in the Syrian proxy war, one where a NATO country has openly attacked a non-NATO country (if Russia is correct and it did not violate Turkish airspace), comes after Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest the bombing of their villages.

Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent.

While we await a formal reaction by Russia, one which we doubt will be calm, cool and collected, the markets are also anything but, and while Turkish assets are in freefall mode over retaliation concerns, said concerns spilled over to both Europe, where the German 2Y just traded below -0.40% for the first time, and US equity futures which just dropped like a rock.


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#1. To: Horse (#0)

I wonder if any of us will get to see Christmas this year.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   4:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

Allowing a fanatical Islamic state to join NATO and to encourage it to commit an act of war against Russia is nothing less than a deliberate march to Armageddon.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   4:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Turkey is a secular state. Problem is that their President is of Jewish descent and he is very corrupt and very crazy.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2015-11-24   9:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: FormerLurker (#2) (Edited)

Gordon Duff predicts, "Winter temperatures in Ankara may reach 10,000 C this week."

Ukraine has cut off power and water to Crimea. With the downing of the airliner over the Sinai, it's evident that steady pressure is being applied to Putin. It will be interesting to see if Putin is prepared for a diet of provocation and to see if he has surprises of his own to dish up. It could indeed be a warm winter in some quarters.   

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-24   10:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#3)

their President is of Jewish descent and he is very corrupt and very crazy

Like a school yard bully who picks fights with other kids, kicks them in the nuts, and then goes running to his older brother saying the other kids started it.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   14:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#4)

It could indeed be a warm winter in some quarters.   

If the US and/or NATO decides to defend Turkey (who is a sponsor of terrorism and profits from stolen oil delivered by ISIS) against Russian retaliation, we might ALL be having a hot winter.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   14:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)

Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest the bombing of their villages.

Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent.

While we await a formal reaction by Russia, one which we doubt will be calm, cool and collected,

Assad is a moderate Muslim. His government of Syria is moderate, secularist and democracy-friendly -- not a tyranny. Turkmens are killers of the Russian pilots -- not moderates or simply "Syrians of Turkish descent". They are ISIS allies terrorizing Syria together to acquire it for themselves, all of which Erdogan has aided and abetted in "solidarity" for years of his entirely unprovoked, war-instigating rampages against Assad and Syria.

What might the "Erdogan Turks" want to discuss with the U.N. Security Council about those Turkmen co-fighters with ISIS? A No-fly Zone partnership on their behalf, so that they can more safely attack their targets in Syria? ... Transporting them on the sly to Turkey and elsewhere for Militarized upgrades, as if only "war refugees" who are officially cleared for encampments of temporary residency? ... "Fast-tracking" them directly to the West for "resettlement" of more permanent residency status and benefits, without the requisite vettings before getting to that housing stage which should take numerous months to verify securely?

Refugees are the business of agencies such as the U.N. and the Red Cross. It's not obligatory upon the West to import masses of them or any, as Western politicos and mega-media have scammed. Most of the world doesn't admit refugees and asylum seekers at all, some not even when they're in-transit, much less unscreened or improperly screened. [4um Refs. here and archiving work-in-process here] Turkey could have long been doing that concernedly for those it claims are imperiled, ethnic-Turkish kindreds but what Erdogan and his cohorts likely intended to do instead is deter that, so they'd mostly continue with combatively moving to wage war there against the governments of Syria and Russia.

At news.yahoo.com/turkey-shoots...: the last time Russian or Soviet aircraft has been shot down by a military from a member of NATO was in 1950s, at the height of the Cold War, Reuters reported.

Also at news.yahoo.com/turkmen-forces...: Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.

The unfriendly-fire shoot-down of a Russian fighter jet tasked with fighting ISIS and its allies, along with the war crime killings [Wikipedia Ref.] of parachuting Russian pilots by those Erdogan expresses solidarity with because of their Turkish ethnicity, indicates that he is indeed an ISIS terror backer and facilitator. Probably he is goading Russia to a retaliatory strike so that he can then viperously inflict World-scale War on the NATO-allied nations and boatloads more "refugees" too, consequently.

At minimum, what's at risk are diplomacy and travel between Russia and Turkey, military and economic co-interests, as well as energy supply arrangements (including an n-power plant that warmongers of the West probably wanted disrupted). [Wikipedia Ref.] Also, this was reported back in June by sputniknews.com:

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) has no intention to become a military alliance similar to NATO, as it is primarily a regional and economic organization, Kremlin Chief of Staff Sergei Ivanov said Saturday. ... India and Pakistan — de facto nuclear weapons states – may join the organization at the upcoming SCO summit ... “SCO is not NATO, I’d like to stress, and it is not going to turn into NATO."

But that was then and this is now so "Erdogan must go" might be the next Westerly regime-change sloganeering because Turkey is a NATO ally, the coalitions of which are not contingent necessarily on the inclusion of "ErredAgain" and his bizarro reign of terror.

Additional info: Why can't Turkey and Russia get along in Syria? | Russia Direct

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-11-24   21:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Horse (#0)

While we await a formal reaction by Russia, one which we doubt will be calm, cool and collected,

Where was author when for over fifty years Russians shot down US aircraft and we did nothing?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-24   21:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

Are you referring to Francis Gary Powers?

I did some sort of high school paper on him, way back when.

p.s. We violated their air space with that one. Very high.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-11-24   21:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Powers? No.

Here is partial list of US aircraft shot down by Russians.

A few were friends. I attended memorial services for one crew a few years ago at NSA Washington.

When Clinton was president.

http://www.6901st.org/history/shootdown.htm

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-24   21:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

Okay, thanks for the link. Way before my birth for most of them.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-11-24   21:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Eye opener at young age, overhead noontime shot of downtown Vladivostok courtesy NSA overflights.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-24   22:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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