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Title: Turkey’s Stab in the Back
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URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/ ... 1/24/turkeys-stab-in-the-back/
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2015-11-24 14:56:45 by Ada
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Comments: 15

Downing of Russian plane by Turkey augurs World War III

War is the great clarifier, and in the case of the battle against Islamist insurgents, including ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, the downing of the Russian war plane by the Turkish military has demonstrated this principle quite dramatically.

The US and its NATO allies, including Turkey, claim to be fighting ISIS, otherwise known as the “Islamic State,” but the Turks’ main fire has been directed at the Kurds and the Syrian regime itself. Turkey has been the main conduit for aid to the Islamic State, and the Turkish intelligence agency has long collaborated with Islamists in the region. The US, for its part, has attacked ISIS positions, and yet Washington’s insistence that the regime of Bashar al-Assad must go has undermined their ostensible goal of destroying the Islamic State: most of the Americans’ resources have gone into buttressing the “moderate” Islamist opposition. These “moderates” include, incredibly enough, the Syrian affiliate of al-Qaeda, who have forged an alliance with US-backed rebels in a joint effort to overthrow Assad.

On the other hand, the Russians have been unequivocal about their war aims: the elimination of the jihadists from Syrian territory. This has meant supporting the only viable alternative to jihadist rule: the Assad regime. Working in conjunction with government forces, Russian war planes have devastated jihadist positions and aided the Ba’athist regime in its effort to regain territory.

This incident has revealed what the real sides are in the Syrian civil war: who is fighting whom, and for what. The Russian plane crashed into Syrian territory and one of the pilots was shot from the skies as he parachuted: this barbaric act was captured on video by the rebels, who are being reported as affiliated with the Turkmen “10th Brigade.” This is just for public consumption, however: in reality, the area is controlled by an alliance of rebel forces dominated by the al-Nusra Front, which is the official Syrian affiliate of al-Qaeda. The jihadists took control of the area in March of this year, and it has been the focal point of recent fighting between al-Qaeda and Syrian government forces backed by the Russian air offensive.

Vice is reporting:

“Russia sent helicopters to search for the downed pilots. Syrian fighters later fired at a helicopter forcing it to make an emergency landing in a nearby government-held area, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said. A Syrian insurgent group, recipient of US Tow missiles, said its fighters hit the helicopter with an anti-tank missile.”

So here we have it: US-backed jihadists, including al-Qaeda, are using weapons supplied by Washington to fight the Russians and the Syrian government. A cozy arrangement, indeed.

As I’ve written here as long ago as the summer of 2012, Washington has effectively entered an alliance with al-Qaeda. And as I pointed out here more recently, our “war on terrorism” has turned into a war on Russia, a proxy war in Syria in which Washington is actively aiding its former enemies – the very same people who brought down the World Trade Center and attacked the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

Turkey is a member of NATO, and in any conflict with Russia we are pledged to come to their aid. The danger highlighted by this incident can hardly be overemphasized. As I put it last month:

“With the addition of Russia to the Middle East equation, the stakes have been raised a hundred-fold. How long before this “proxy war” turns into a direct confrontation between two nuclear-armed powers? Will I witness another version of the Cuban missile crisis in my lifetime?”

Putin’s accusation that this is “a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists” is absolutely correct – but he isn’t just talking about Turkey, whose Islamist regime has been canoodling with the terrorists since the start of the Syria civil war. Washington and its allies, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar – who have been directly aiding ISIS as well as the “moderate” head-choppers – is indirectly responsible for the downing the Russian plane – including a barbaric attack on the rescue helicopter, which was downed by a US-provided TOW missile launcher.

Yes, folks, your tax dollars are going to support Islamist crazies in Syria. The same people who attacked Paris are being aided and abetted by the US – and if that isn’t a criminal act, then there is no justice in this world.

As Europe cowers before a terrorist assault, and the War Party justifies universal surveillance of the American people by citing the threat from domestic attacks by ISIS, we are allied with these barbarians in Syria. And the foreign policy wonks in Washington are taking this opportunity to demonize Russia: according to them, Putin and not ISIS is the real threat to the West. As Dan Drezner, one of the Washington Post’s resident Russia-haters, writes:

“If Putin has a modus operandi, it’s to foment tensions in a new region when the situation is worsening in an ongoing area of conflict. So it wouldn’t surprise me if Putin tries to coerce or intimidate the Baltic states soon, as a way of signaling to NATO that it has leverage elsewhere.”

This would be funny if it wasn’t such a widely shared talking point. For the past year or so the Russia-haters have been confidently predicting that Putin would be marching through the streets of Kiev and gobbling up the Baltics in a single swallow. A Russian invasion, according to the Ukrainians and their US cheerleaders, has been “imminent” for the past nine months or so! According to their scenario, by this time Putin should be crossing the English Channel and laying siege to London., Naturally, nothing of the sort has happened, nor will it happen: it’s the Americans who want a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis, not Putin.

And now they have it.

Are you ready for World War III?

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Well, so much for the myth of russian air superiority and their new, advanced electronic jamming equipment the weak knee'd have been crowing about.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-11-24   15:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

It's past time for NATO to be flushed down the world's toilet.

Along with the UN and the rest of the globalist's agencies.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-24   15:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Obnoxicated (#1)

Well, so much for the myth of russian air superiority and their new, advanced electronic jamming equipment the weak knee'd have been crowing about.

What many people overlook is that the downed Russian jet, a Su-24, is NOT a fighter, it's an attack aircraft which carries bombs and air to surface missiles, not air to air missiles.

It's a supersonic version of an A-10, which is not designed for dog fights with other aircraft. It was on a bombing mission and was not being escorted by fighters.

Russian fighters and fighter/bombers such as the Su-30 and Su-34 would have downed the Turkish fighters in a blink of an eye.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   15:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#2)

At minimum, Turkey needs to be expelled from NATO.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   15:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Why was Turkey ever allowed into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-24   15:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod (#5)

Why was Turkey ever allowed into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

It was admitted into NATO back in 1952 in a desire to have a NATO nation which could choke off the Soviet Black Sea fleet since the only passage from there to the rest of the world is via the Bosphorus.

I'd guess it was also a convenient area to base nukes aimed at Russia and to provide air bases for NATO forces.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   15:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#5)

Why was Turkey ever allowed into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

Probably to enable the kind of situation unfolding now. What other purpose is there to an alliance in peacetime than to increase the potential for a wider war when it breaks out? Some of the Russia haters will say that if we don't want a world war then Putin and Russia should just sit idly let the US/NATO do whatever it wants wherever it wants (including conquer Eurasia if it so chooses). Quite unrealistic, of course.

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PnbC  posted on  2015-11-24   15:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PnbC, FL, 4 (#7)

It seems their membership and their actions are doing nothing but drawing the world into at least, a regional holocaust.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-24   15:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#5)

Why was Turkey ever allowed into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

Because you can't SCRIMINATE people!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-24   16:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod, PnbC (#8)

Any nuclear holocaust will stay regional for about 10 seconds.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   18:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#10)

Maybe so.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-24   19:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Lod (#11)

If either side escalates to a limited nuclear response, the other side will launch their full-scale response before it's too late to do so.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   19:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#10)

Any nuclear holocaust will stay regional for about 10 seconds.

I believe from an analysis of video material that low yield nuclear weapons have already been used a number of times in the region notably in Syria and Yemen.

WWIII has been on a slow burn for a number of months now somewhat analogous to the "phony war" at the outset of WWII.

The Chinese date the beginning of WWII to 1937.

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randge  posted on  2015-11-24   19:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge (#13)

I believe from an analysis of video material that low yield nuclear weapons have already been used a number of times in the region notably in Syria and Yemen.

Any sort of nuclear detonation would be detectable in terms of radiological release, and the fact that sand would have been turned to glass due to the extremely high temperatures, so I disagree.

Fuel/air bombs resemble nuclear blasts, but have no radiation and do not have the temperature effects of nuclear weapons.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   19:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#13) (Edited)

And to explain what I meant by "limited" nuclear response, I meant if Russia were to nuke Turkish airfields and the US were to nuke the Russian fleet in Sevastopol, Crimea.

That'd quickly escalate into Russia striking any and all US/NATO assets in the Middle East, with the US then targeting Moscow and Russian assets throughout the world.

Russia would then wipe out US targets including Washington, DC, New York, Los Angeles, etc. from their subs, and European targets within their window of opportunity from the air and ground based sites.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to include the Chinese response to an attack against their Russian ally, but you get the idea.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-24   20:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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