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Title: Turkey Is Lying
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URL Source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201 ... y-is-lying-paul-craig-roberts/
Published: Nov 25, 2015
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2015-11-25 14:42:31 by Ada
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Views: 721
Comments: 104

Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge has posted the flight paths of the Russian aircraft according to Turkey and to Russia. www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17- seconds-changed-world-leaked-letter-exposes-turkeys-hair-trigger-reality

We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.

One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.

A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!

A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace vioation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act: www.paulcraigroberts.org/...stroyed-russias-delusion- of-western-cooperation-paul-craig-roberts/

Turkey’s explanation to the UN Security Council gives itself away as a lie. The letter states: “This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace. The Planes in quesion have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via ‘Emergency’ channel and asked to change their headings south immediately.”

As SU-24 are Russian aircraft, as Turkey is able to identify that the aircraft are SU-24s, how then can the nationality of the aircraft be unknown? Would Turkey risk shooting down a US or Israeli aircraft by firing at an unknown aircraft? If the SU-24 takes 17 seconds to fly 1.15 miles, the SU-24s would have only traveled 20.29 miles in five minutes. Does anyone believe that a supersonic aircraft can fly at stall speed for 17 seconds, much less for five minutes?

Do not expect any truth from any Western government or from any Western media. Governments and media know that the Western populations are uneducated, unaware, and can be relied upon to accept any preposterous story. In the West the Matrix has a firm grip. The Russians need to wake up to this fact.

NPR this morning confirmed that the media is a government propaganda organ. The Diane Rehm show on NPR presented us with a group of talking heads. Only one was informed, a professor at the Middle East Institute of the London School of Economics. The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans. They repeated all of the lies. “Russia is attacking everyone except ISIS.” How can there be anyone but ISIS to attack when the US general overseeing the area recently told Congress that “only 5” of our trained “rebels” remained? Yet the myth of “moderate rebels” is kept alive by these liars.

“The refugees are fleeing the brutal Assad.” Notice that it is always Assad who is brutal, not ISIS which has cut out opponents hearts and eaten them and routinely cuts off peoples heads and commits the most atrocious atrocities. Here we have “experts” blaming Assad. The “experts” said that the refugees are fleeing from Assad not from ISIS. The refugee problem is Assad’s fault, not the faut of ISIS. It is all Assad’s fault because he doesn’t give up and turn Syria over to Washington’s ISIS henchmen.

There was no acknowledgement from the “experts” that ISIS is a Washington creation or that until the Paris attack Washington was strongly backing ISIS with both words and weapons against the Russian air attacks that caught both Washington and ISIS off guard. This is extraordinary considering the fact that US responsibility for ISIS was acknowledged on TV by the former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency. https://www.rt.com/usa/312050-dia-flynn- islamic-state/

Gullible Americans who give money to NPR are supporting lies and propaganda that have resulted in the deaths and dislocation of millions of peoples and that are leading to WWIII. The Western media whores are complicit in the crimes, because they fail their responsibility to hold government accountable and make it impossible for valid information to reach people. The Western media serves as cheerleaders for death and destruction.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Anywho, Poot will prolly invade Turkey in a day or so to show the mad Turks a thing or two.

We are showing our solidarity tomorrow with country wide reverence for TURKEY.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   14:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Roberts just kicked those lyin' sacks-a-shit at NPR in the ass.

What part of that does not compute??

We're having crab cakes tomorrow.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   15:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

In your idea of a perfect world, people WOULD be arrested and/or shot for speaking the truth.

Perhaps you should move to a country which welcomes your ideas, such as North Korea.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: randge (#2)

We're having crab cakes

For some reason, I never get invited for dinner.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#0)

The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans.

Good job, Paul.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#2)

Crab cakes sound like a wonderful alternative!

www.foodnetwork.com/recip...tml#lightbox-recipe-image

Even Chiles Rellenos would work.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   15:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#0)

A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!

This is a bit disingenuous an analysis. Turkey probably meant, whether true or not, that the aircraft came that far inside of Turkish airspace, but that doesn't mean it travelled in a straight line perpendicular from the border. It could have flown for 10-15 miles skirting into Turkish airspace penetrating 1.15 miles at the maximum depth into Turkey. That would put the aircraft well above stall speed, and in fact doesn't limit the plane speed in any way whatsoever.

Again, if Turkey is telling the truth, which they may not be. But faulty analysis, or perhaps failure to state all facts to rule out my very basic supposition, doesn't do anyone any good.

What does make Turkey look bad is the claim it was in Turkish airspace for just 17 seconds doesn't wash well with the other claim that they warned the pilots 10 times in 5 minutes to change course... at whatever radio frequency that warning was issued on. Five mins before, this plane may not have been anywhere near Turkey, and if it was, it couldn't have been heading toward it. But a 17 second tolerance, of which half of that time would have been spent leaving Turkish airspace, shows really zero tolerance on the part of Turkey. Also, saying there was a 17 seconds violation seems to imply the plane had left Turkish airspace prior to the shoot down.

Turkey has plenty of Islamic sympathizers, not the least of which are consumers of ISIS oil deliveries which the NATO ally apparently had no moral misgivings about buying, and which the US State Department apparently has either no capability in tracking or complaining about in their quest to criminalize all those who offer financial support to the supposed terrorist operation known as ISIS.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-11-25   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Expect Pooty to invade Turkey in a day or two, with millions of valiant Red Army soldiers seeking justice.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

Russia already released an official statement to the contrary assuring Turkey and the world that they are not going to declare war. However they have moved to engage in nothing short of a full economic embargo. Pipeline projects have been shelved, the assistence building their first nuclear power plant is off the table, and Russians are encouraged to avoid Turkey.

As long as NATO doesn't try to pull that shit again their won't be a war.

Of course I won't be holding my breath considering the US is training and funding Isis.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2015-11-25   15:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#9)

Seems to me Poot ought to man up, shoot down a Turk aircraft, show the world how tough he really is.

Course, Turks dont have Obama in pilots seat.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#6)

Just like pecan pies should be FULL of pecans (not just a nutty layer on top of some goo) crab cakes should be 95% sweet blue crab with just enough egg and bread crumbs to hold them together.

Mrs. r. makes some badass crab cakes. We used to get fresh crabs from the Chesapeake Bay. You can get some pretty fresh crab here in H-town though. The Missus orders them through a chef, which is OK with me. Them things are a bear to pick and clean out. : )

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   16:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

With Obama in the pilot's seat - you'd need a disposable pilot's seat.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   16:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#8)

Cyni, you've made your point abundantly clear. That one and the "never trust a Russian -- your life depends on it".

I would say if Hillary were running Russia instead of Putin, Turkey would probably be in a lot more trouble, as would Russia. But the Russians are perhaps thankful Putin is smart, calculating guy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-11-25   16:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#8)

Expect Pooty to invade Turkey in a day or two, with millions of valiant Red Army soldiers seeking justice.

Are you drunk already CyniCon?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   17:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)

I don't think that Cyni uses adult soda-pops.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   17:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#4)

A little late, but yer welcome for dinner if you ever get on down this way.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   18:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ada (#0)

There was no acknowledgement from the “experts” that ISIS is a Washington creation or that until the Paris attack Washington was strongly backing ISIS with both words and weapons against the Russian air attacks that caught both Washington and ISIS off guard. This is extraordinary considering the fact that US responsibility for ISIS was acknowledged on TV by the former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency. https://www.rt.com/usa/312050-dia-flynn- islamic-state/

PCR is dead on here.

He is right, Americans are dumbshits.

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   18:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#1)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Uh....

How can you say that in regard to this particular article? What did he write specifically that you disagree with?

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#5)

The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans.

Good job, Paul.

I see you appreciate "dumbshit Americans" too.

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#19)

For the most-part, we're a rather clueless populace.

Sad, but true.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   19:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod, All, Bill Holter comments regarding the Turkey shoot (#20)

By now you have heard the news of a Russian fighter being shot down over Turkey. There are conflicting reports as to whether the plane was in Turkish or Syrian airspace. Another unknown is whether the plane was shot down from the air or ground. Also conflicting as to whether the pilots were dead prior to landing, or executed while parachuting down or after landing. Add to this the destruction of a Russian search helicopter by an anti tank “TOW”.

The ramifications of these events are mind boggling to say the least. While sitting down to write this, a news conference between presidents Obama and Hollande is being televised. I do not want to diminish the horror of the recent attacks in Paris and Belgium but what just happened in Turkey is far more important for several reasons. Thankfully they received questions regarding the Russian shootdown (maybe they were not U.S. reporters doing the questioning?).

Please understand, no matter how you look at the downing of the Russian fighter jet, “we” did it. Turkey is a member of NATO and the weapons used are of western origin. Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them. They cannot even say “oops, our trigger finger slipped” as they claim to have warned the Russian fighter 10 times or more. The fact that the plane crashed on Syrian land shows even if they were in Turkish airspace, they were only a driver and pitching wedge across the border and on their way out. This genie cannot ever be put back in the bottle.

Judging by President Putin’s immediate statements afterward, we can now look forward to some sort of retaliation. Most importantly, he claims “ISIS” has been selling oil into Turkey to fund their military operations. Is this true? I cannot prove or disprove it but the actions of war require funding and ISIS obviously has funding and “somehow” Western arms and munitions. No matter how you slice it, the West will now be seen in a different light both in current time and historically. I can only hope to God this does not spawn WWIII but am afraid this is exactly where it’s headed because this episode pits the U.S. versus Russia directly.

The following is how I see it, “in my opinion”. I believe this episode was no mistake and was fully planned. I think the “stress” on the Western financial system is coming to a full blown head and can no longer be hidden like the crazy aunt in the basement. As I have said all along, the collapse when it comes will need “cover” to hide the real and true cause. Starting a war with Russia even as unthinkable and unwinnable for anyone as it is will only serve to cover the foundational policy flaws of the Ponzi scheme.

The West is patently broke. Our standard of living can no longer be “funded” with debt. The current negative swap rates I believe are evidence of a scarcity of collateral …the alternative being banks and brokers truly are a better credit risk than sovereign debt. We also know gold is in scarcity because the negative GOFO rates. If you look to COMEX registered inventories you will see they are almost gone and amount to 150,000 ounces heading into what is the biggest delivery month of the year. The list goes on and on but suffice it to say, no matter where you look you will see things financial and economic either in decline or collapsing. You need to “look” for yourself and past the “headlines” and BLS reportings to understand why “now”.

I have long thought Russia and China had a “truth bomb” up their sleeve to be delivered by Mr. Putin. It has been my opinion he would expose many falsehoods and false flags over the years with hard evidence to back his claims. Now, should we be involved militarily against Russia much of what he has to deliver will be considered “propaganda” no matter how credible the evidence. Thank honest journalism for this.

Another very “current event” is the upcoming meeting of the IMF to either include or exclude China from the SDR. This vote is scheduled for next Monday. Ask yourself, would the U.S. like China sitting at “their” table or would they prefer not? We will soon see the outcome but I believe the neocons have taken over Washington and would like to use anything possible (including war) as a way to cover the reality.

A war at this point will kick the table over so to speak. It can be pointed at as a reason for the collapse of markets, the economy and a reason the Fed cannot even consider raising rates. I believe we will hear “our policies were working… but”. I also think a war would certainly be reason for “force majeure”, particularly in the gold and silver markets. How convenient would it be should the nonexistent inventory not have to meet the demand for delivery?

Should war break out and gold move up hundreds of dollars, it can again be easily said “this would never have happened if it were not for the damned Russians”. A force majeure from the current levels would certainly solve the problem of how to cover the shorts used to create the current price. Collapsing financial markets will be “understood” by a population who wakes up each morning hoping to be “fooled for longer”.

Unfortunately, what comes will arrive with or without a war. The American population will experience something they have not since 1945, shortages. The shortages will be blamed on anything but the real thing. If left on its own, foreigners not willing to accept dollars for trade will be the end result. Laugh at this if you want to but the world is craving “fair trade” where they get paid “something for something” as opposed to the never pay model currently in effect. The American public has just been served a very rotten Turkey for Thanksgiving. The timing in my opinion is anything but random!

I would like to say a few words of respect for the passing of Richard Russell. Sir Richard, the godfather of financial writers passed away yesterday at 91 years old. He began writing in 1958 and became an iconic source of truth and common sense in the financial world. I can remember reading his work while still in college, I credit his common sense approach as something I strived to duplicate as a broker and now as a writer. May God rest your soul Sir Richard!

I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!

Standing watch, Bill Holter

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#21)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   20:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#18)

We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.

One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.

When a person wants to convince others on some subject, it is a sign of of insecurity to accuse others of lying. A debater he would not be.

Everyone else is lying...except me...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   20:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#21)

I credit his common sense approach as something I strived to duplicate as a broker and now as a writer. May God rest your soul Sir Richard!

I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!

Standing watch, Bill Holter

Thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   20:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom, christine (#22)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

No, RIGHT.

The psychopath who runs Turkey is nothing but a fascist ISIS wannabe, and if he didn't have big brother NATO to run to after he kicks his victim in the balls, he'd be hiding out in a bunker somewhere.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#21)

The American public has just been served a very rotten Turkey for Thanksgiving. The timing in my opinion is anything but random!

That's how the folks who pull the strings like to work, doing things in such a way as to rub it in for those who realize what's going on.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine, Cynicom (#18)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Uh....

How can you say that in regard to this particular article? What did he write specifically that you disagree with?

Cyni hates truth, REAL truth. He'd rather go back to the "good ole days" where there was no Internet, and people believed EVERYTHING fed to them by the NYT and Washington DC.

We gotta go kill them damn Commies, don't you know?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#15)

I don't think that Cyni uses adult soda-pops.

It must be at least a few bad batches of moonshine, because it's certainly killed more than a few brain cells if he ever had more than a shot glass full to begin with.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom, christine (#25)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

No, RIGHT.

Lavrov said today that Turkey has an agreement with us that when they use our hardware (read F-16s for example) they have to give us a heads up first.

I can't vouch for Lavrov's assertions, but I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days if absolutely everything doesn't come off the rails.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   20:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

Lavrov said today that Turkey has an agreement with us that when they use our hardware (read F-16s for example) they have to give us a heads up first.

That may be true, but Erdogan doesn't care about what he's SUPPOSED to do anyways as he's buying stolen Syrian oil from ISIS. Oh wait, might he have gotten the "green light" on that TOO I wonder...


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine (#21)

American population will experience something they have not since 1945, shortages

Impossible. Main problem in economy is distributing stuff, not production. Millions of cars sitting in sales yards waiting for drivers. Other day, small local grocery store dumped 50 cases of California strawberries (eight packets/case); I took a free case for composting with autumn leaves. Forty percent of current food production doesn't make it to the dinner table. If financial system "collapses" all practical politicians need to do is simply say: keep doing what you're doing, maybe a little less,take what you need and everything will be OK. In the meantime we'll devise a system in which production matches need, so there isn't as much waste.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2015-11-25   22:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#29)

No, RIGHT.

Wrong, still.

Rules of engagement. Heads up if PLANNED.

Dont tell me the Turks PLANNED to send the Russki jet into their air space?

Good heavens....

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   22:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#32)

Not wrong if the plan was to goad russia so as to destabilize a potential french russian alliance outside of natos perview.

The had no reason to shoot it down since they knew nothing in their territory was on the target list.

Their was no reason to do it unless the reason was to piss off russia and nothing else.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2015-11-25   23:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#11)

What kind of sauce, if any, do you all put on your crab cakes?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-25   23:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#32)

Russia DIDN'T fly into Turkey's airspace.

Turkey lied. Then again, Turkey DOES support ISIS and buys stolen oil from them.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-26   0:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: randge (#11)

Just like pecan pies should be FULL of pecans (not just a nutty layer on top of some goo) crab cakes should be 95% sweet blue crab with just enough egg and bread crumbs to hold them together.

Mrs. r. makes some badass crab cakes. We used to get fresh crabs from the Chesapeake Bay. You can get some pretty fresh crab here in H-town though. The Missus orders them through a chef, which is OK with me. Them things are a bear to pick and clean out. : )

Thank you for weighing in on an overlooked subject, pecan pies -- seriously. If they're mostly goo, they should be called goo pies, which is how it is most of the time esp with ALL that are manufactured e.g. what you get in restaurants.

H-town? Hagerstown? Hobe Sound? Hawthorne, Hayward, Hermosa Beach?

Easy does it, people.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   1:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: NeoconsNailed (#36)

Easy does it, people.

Hiroshima? Harlem? Hell? Haifa?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-26   1:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: StraitGate (#37)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell, _Michigan

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   1:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: titorite (#33)

Their was no reason to do it unless the reason was to piss off russia and nothing else.

Indeed...

The Turks drew a line in the sand, stay the hell away.

The Ruskies are NOT dealing with Obama now. The Turks are well aware Putin is playing in their sandbox, A VERY LONG WAY FROM HOME.

Astute observers were quick to take note of what Pooty came out with very early on...WE DO NOT WANT WAR WITH TURKEY...

Very forthright, the Turks understood him, Pooty understands now, dont tempt Turkey because they have and will take action.

Quick media judgements are readily adopted here by far too many members.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   9:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: NeoconsNailed (#38) (Edited)

Nope. It ain't Hell.

Been there, done that.

Greatest burgers in the Wolverine State.

dam site in, hell michigan

H-town = Houston.

Which is in Texas and don'tcha damned well forget it!

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-26   11:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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