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Title: Turkey Is Lying
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URL Source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201 ... y-is-lying-paul-craig-roberts/
Published: Nov 25, 2015
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2015-11-25 14:42:31 by Ada
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Views: 763
Comments: 104

Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge has posted the flight paths of the Russian aircraft according to Turkey and to Russia. www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17- seconds-changed-world-leaked-letter-exposes-turkeys-hair-trigger-reality

We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.

One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.

A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!

A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace vioation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act: www.paulcraigroberts.org/...stroyed-russias-delusion- of-western-cooperation-paul-craig-roberts/

Turkey’s explanation to the UN Security Council gives itself away as a lie. The letter states: “This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace. The Planes in quesion have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via ‘Emergency’ channel and asked to change their headings south immediately.”

As SU-24 are Russian aircraft, as Turkey is able to identify that the aircraft are SU-24s, how then can the nationality of the aircraft be unknown? Would Turkey risk shooting down a US or Israeli aircraft by firing at an unknown aircraft? If the SU-24 takes 17 seconds to fly 1.15 miles, the SU-24s would have only traveled 20.29 miles in five minutes. Does anyone believe that a supersonic aircraft can fly at stall speed for 17 seconds, much less for five minutes?

Do not expect any truth from any Western government or from any Western media. Governments and media know that the Western populations are uneducated, unaware, and can be relied upon to accept any preposterous story. In the West the Matrix has a firm grip. The Russians need to wake up to this fact.

NPR this morning confirmed that the media is a government propaganda organ. The Diane Rehm show on NPR presented us with a group of talking heads. Only one was informed, a professor at the Middle East Institute of the London School of Economics. The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans. They repeated all of the lies. “Russia is attacking everyone except ISIS.” How can there be anyone but ISIS to attack when the US general overseeing the area recently told Congress that “only 5” of our trained “rebels” remained? Yet the myth of “moderate rebels” is kept alive by these liars.

“The refugees are fleeing the brutal Assad.” Notice that it is always Assad who is brutal, not ISIS which has cut out opponents hearts and eaten them and routinely cuts off peoples heads and commits the most atrocious atrocities. Here we have “experts” blaming Assad. The “experts” said that the refugees are fleeing from Assad not from ISIS. The refugee problem is Assad’s fault, not the faut of ISIS. It is all Assad’s fault because he doesn’t give up and turn Syria over to Washington’s ISIS henchmen.

There was no acknowledgement from the “experts” that ISIS is a Washington creation or that until the Paris attack Washington was strongly backing ISIS with both words and weapons against the Russian air attacks that caught both Washington and ISIS off guard. This is extraordinary considering the fact that US responsibility for ISIS was acknowledged on TV by the former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency. https://www.rt.com/usa/312050-dia-flynn- islamic-state/

Gullible Americans who give money to NPR are supporting lies and propaganda that have resulted in the deaths and dislocation of millions of peoples and that are leading to WWIII. The Western media whores are complicit in the crimes, because they fail their responsibility to hold government accountable and make it impossible for valid information to reach people. The Western media serves as cheerleaders for death and destruction.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Anywho, Poot will prolly invade Turkey in a day or so to show the mad Turks a thing or two.

We are showing our solidarity tomorrow with country wide reverence for TURKEY.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   14:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Roberts just kicked those lyin' sacks-a-shit at NPR in the ass.

What part of that does not compute??

We're having crab cakes tomorrow.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   15:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

In your idea of a perfect world, people WOULD be arrested and/or shot for speaking the truth.

Perhaps you should move to a country which welcomes your ideas, such as North Korea.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: randge (#2)

We're having crab cakes

For some reason, I never get invited for dinner.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#0)

The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans.

Good job, Paul.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   15:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#2)

Crab cakes sound like a wonderful alternative!

www.foodnetwork.com/recip...tml#lightbox-recipe-image

Even Chiles Rellenos would work.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   15:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#0)

A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!

This is a bit disingenuous an analysis. Turkey probably meant, whether true or not, that the aircraft came that far inside of Turkish airspace, but that doesn't mean it travelled in a straight line perpendicular from the border. It could have flown for 10-15 miles skirting into Turkish airspace penetrating 1.15 miles at the maximum depth into Turkey. That would put the aircraft well above stall speed, and in fact doesn't limit the plane speed in any way whatsoever.

Again, if Turkey is telling the truth, which they may not be. But faulty analysis, or perhaps failure to state all facts to rule out my very basic supposition, doesn't do anyone any good.

What does make Turkey look bad is the claim it was in Turkish airspace for just 17 seconds doesn't wash well with the other claim that they warned the pilots 10 times in 5 minutes to change course... at whatever radio frequency that warning was issued on. Five mins before, this plane may not have been anywhere near Turkey, and if it was, it couldn't have been heading toward it. But a 17 second tolerance, of which half of that time would have been spent leaving Turkish airspace, shows really zero tolerance on the part of Turkey. Also, saying there was a 17 seconds violation seems to imply the plane had left Turkish airspace prior to the shoot down.

Turkey has plenty of Islamic sympathizers, not the least of which are consumers of ISIS oil deliveries which the NATO ally apparently had no moral misgivings about buying, and which the US State Department apparently has either no capability in tracking or complaining about in their quest to criminalize all those who offer financial support to the supposed terrorist operation known as ISIS.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-11-25   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Expect Pooty to invade Turkey in a day or two, with millions of valiant Red Army soldiers seeking justice.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

Russia already released an official statement to the contrary assuring Turkey and the world that they are not going to declare war. However they have moved to engage in nothing short of a full economic embargo. Pipeline projects have been shelved, the assistence building their first nuclear power plant is off the table, and Russians are encouraged to avoid Turkey.

As long as NATO doesn't try to pull that shit again their won't be a war.

Of course I won't be holding my breath considering the US is training and funding Isis.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-25   15:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#9)

Seems to me Poot ought to man up, shoot down a Turk aircraft, show the world how tough he really is.

Course, Turks dont have Obama in pilots seat.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   15:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#6)

Just like pecan pies should be FULL of pecans (not just a nutty layer on top of some goo) crab cakes should be 95% sweet blue crab with just enough egg and bread crumbs to hold them together.

Mrs. r. makes some badass crab cakes. We used to get fresh crabs from the Chesapeake Bay. You can get some pretty fresh crab here in H-town though. The Missus orders them through a chef, which is OK with me. Them things are a bear to pick and clean out. : )

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   16:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

With Obama in the pilot's seat - you'd need a disposable pilot's seat.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   16:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#8)

Cyni, you've made your point abundantly clear. That one and the "never trust a Russian -- your life depends on it".

I would say if Hillary were running Russia instead of Putin, Turkey would probably be in a lot more trouble, as would Russia. But the Russians are perhaps thankful Putin is smart, calculating guy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-11-25   16:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#8)

Expect Pooty to invade Turkey in a day or two, with millions of valiant Red Army soldiers seeking justice.

Are you drunk already CyniCon?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   17:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)

I don't think that Cyni uses adult soda-pops.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   17:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#4)

A little late, but yer welcome for dinner if you ever get on down this way.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   18:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ada (#0)

There was no acknowledgement from the “experts” that ISIS is a Washington creation or that until the Paris attack Washington was strongly backing ISIS with both words and weapons against the Russian air attacks that caught both Washington and ISIS off guard. This is extraordinary considering the fact that US responsibility for ISIS was acknowledged on TV by the former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency. https://www.rt.com/usa/312050-dia-flynn- islamic-state/

PCR is dead on here.

He is right, Americans are dumbshits.

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   18:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#1)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Uh....

How can you say that in regard to this particular article? What did he write specifically that you disagree with?

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#5)

The rest of the “experts” were the typical dumbshit Americans.

Good job, Paul.

I see you appreciate "dumbshit Americans" too.

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#19)

For the most-part, we're a rather clueless populace.

Sad, but true.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   19:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod, All, Bill Holter comments regarding the Turkey shoot (#20)

By now you have heard the news of a Russian fighter being shot down over Turkey. There are conflicting reports as to whether the plane was in Turkish or Syrian airspace. Another unknown is whether the plane was shot down from the air or ground. Also conflicting as to whether the pilots were dead prior to landing, or executed while parachuting down or after landing. Add to this the destruction of a Russian search helicopter by an anti tank “TOW”.

The ramifications of these events are mind boggling to say the least. While sitting down to write this, a news conference between presidents Obama and Hollande is being televised. I do not want to diminish the horror of the recent attacks in Paris and Belgium but what just happened in Turkey is far more important for several reasons. Thankfully they received questions regarding the Russian shootdown (maybe they were not U.S. reporters doing the questioning?).

Please understand, no matter how you look at the downing of the Russian fighter jet, “we” did it. Turkey is a member of NATO and the weapons used are of western origin. Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them. They cannot even say “oops, our trigger finger slipped” as they claim to have warned the Russian fighter 10 times or more. The fact that the plane crashed on Syrian land shows even if they were in Turkish airspace, they were only a driver and pitching wedge across the border and on their way out. This genie cannot ever be put back in the bottle.

Judging by President Putin’s immediate statements afterward, we can now look forward to some sort of retaliation. Most importantly, he claims “ISIS” has been selling oil into Turkey to fund their military operations. Is this true? I cannot prove or disprove it but the actions of war require funding and ISIS obviously has funding and “somehow” Western arms and munitions. No matter how you slice it, the West will now be seen in a different light both in current time and historically. I can only hope to God this does not spawn WWIII but am afraid this is exactly where it’s headed because this episode pits the U.S. versus Russia directly.

The following is how I see it, “in my opinion”. I believe this episode was no mistake and was fully planned. I think the “stress” on the Western financial system is coming to a full blown head and can no longer be hidden like the crazy aunt in the basement. As I have said all along, the collapse when it comes will need “cover” to hide the real and true cause. Starting a war with Russia even as unthinkable and unwinnable for anyone as it is will only serve to cover the foundational policy flaws of the Ponzi scheme.

The West is patently broke. Our standard of living can no longer be “funded” with debt. The current negative swap rates I believe are evidence of a scarcity of collateral …the alternative being banks and brokers truly are a better credit risk than sovereign debt. We also know gold is in scarcity because the negative GOFO rates. If you look to COMEX registered inventories you will see they are almost gone and amount to 150,000 ounces heading into what is the biggest delivery month of the year. The list goes on and on but suffice it to say, no matter where you look you will see things financial and economic either in decline or collapsing. You need to “look” for yourself and past the “headlines” and BLS reportings to understand why “now”.

I have long thought Russia and China had a “truth bomb” up their sleeve to be delivered by Mr. Putin. It has been my opinion he would expose many falsehoods and false flags over the years with hard evidence to back his claims. Now, should we be involved militarily against Russia much of what he has to deliver will be considered “propaganda” no matter how credible the evidence. Thank honest journalism for this.

Another very “current event” is the upcoming meeting of the IMF to either include or exclude China from the SDR. This vote is scheduled for next Monday. Ask yourself, would the U.S. like China sitting at “their” table or would they prefer not? We will soon see the outcome but I believe the neocons have taken over Washington and would like to use anything possible (including war) as a way to cover the reality.

A war at this point will kick the table over so to speak. It can be pointed at as a reason for the collapse of markets, the economy and a reason the Fed cannot even consider raising rates. I believe we will hear “our policies were working… but”. I also think a war would certainly be reason for “force majeure”, particularly in the gold and silver markets. How convenient would it be should the nonexistent inventory not have to meet the demand for delivery?

Should war break out and gold move up hundreds of dollars, it can again be easily said “this would never have happened if it were not for the damned Russians”. A force majeure from the current levels would certainly solve the problem of how to cover the shorts used to create the current price. Collapsing financial markets will be “understood” by a population who wakes up each morning hoping to be “fooled for longer”.

Unfortunately, what comes will arrive with or without a war. The American population will experience something they have not since 1945, shortages. The shortages will be blamed on anything but the real thing. If left on its own, foreigners not willing to accept dollars for trade will be the end result. Laugh at this if you want to but the world is craving “fair trade” where they get paid “something for something” as opposed to the never pay model currently in effect. The American public has just been served a very rotten Turkey for Thanksgiving. The timing in my opinion is anything but random!

I would like to say a few words of respect for the passing of Richard Russell. Sir Richard, the godfather of financial writers passed away yesterday at 91 years old. He began writing in 1958 and became an iconic source of truth and common sense in the financial world. I can remember reading his work while still in college, I credit his common sense approach as something I strived to duplicate as a broker and now as a writer. May God rest your soul Sir Richard!

I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!

Standing watch, Bill Holter

christine  posted on  2015-11-25   19:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#21)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   20:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#18)

We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.

One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.

When a person wants to convince others on some subject, it is a sign of of insecurity to accuse others of lying. A debater he would not be.

Everyone else is lying...except me...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   20:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#21)

I credit his common sense approach as something I strived to duplicate as a broker and now as a writer. May God rest your soul Sir Richard!

I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!

Standing watch, Bill Holter

Thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-25   20:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom, christine (#22)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

No, RIGHT.

The psychopath who runs Turkey is nothing but a fascist ISIS wannabe, and if he didn't have big brother NATO to run to after he kicks his victim in the balls, he'd be hiding out in a bunker somewhere.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#21)

The American public has just been served a very rotten Turkey for Thanksgiving. The timing in my opinion is anything but random!

That's how the folks who pull the strings like to work, doing things in such a way as to rub it in for those who realize what's going on.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine, Cynicom (#18)

Roberts should be arrested for pontificating without a working brain.

Uh....

How can you say that in regard to this particular article? What did he write specifically that you disagree with?

Cyni hates truth, REAL truth. He'd rather go back to the "good ole days" where there was no Internet, and people believed EVERYTHING fed to them by the NYT and Washington DC.

We gotta go kill them damn Commies, don't you know?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#15)

I don't think that Cyni uses adult soda-pops.

It must be at least a few bad batches of moonshine, because it's certainly killed more than a few brain cells if he ever had more than a shot glass full to begin with.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom, christine (#25)

Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them.

Wrong...

No, RIGHT.

Lavrov said today that Turkey has an agreement with us that when they use our hardware (read F-16s for example) they have to give us a heads up first.

I can't vouch for Lavrov's assertions, but I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days if absolutely everything doesn't come off the rails.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-25   20:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

Lavrov said today that Turkey has an agreement with us that when they use our hardware (read F-16s for example) they have to give us a heads up first.

That may be true, but Erdogan doesn't care about what he's SUPPOSED to do anyways as he's buying stolen Syrian oil from ISIS. Oh wait, might he have gotten the "green light" on that TOO I wonder...


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-25   20:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine (#21)

American population will experience something they have not since 1945, shortages

Impossible. Main problem in economy is distributing stuff, not production. Millions of cars sitting in sales yards waiting for drivers. Other day, small local grocery store dumped 50 cases of California strawberries (eight packets/case); I took a free case for composting with autumn leaves. Forty percent of current food production doesn't make it to the dinner table. If financial system "collapses" all practical politicians need to do is simply say: keep doing what you're doing, maybe a little less,take what you need and everything will be OK. In the meantime we'll devise a system in which production matches need, so there isn't as much waste.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2015-11-25   22:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#29)

No, RIGHT.

Wrong, still.

Rules of engagement. Heads up if PLANNED.

Dont tell me the Turks PLANNED to send the Russki jet into their air space?

Good heavens....

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-25   22:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#32)

Not wrong if the plan was to goad russia so as to destabilize a potential french russian alliance outside of natos perview.

The had no reason to shoot it down since they knew nothing in their territory was on the target list.

Their was no reason to do it unless the reason was to piss off russia and nothing else.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-25   23:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#11)

What kind of sauce, if any, do you all put on your crab cakes?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-25   23:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#32)

Russia DIDN'T fly into Turkey's airspace.

Turkey lied. Then again, Turkey DOES support ISIS and buys stolen oil from them.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-26   0:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: randge (#11)

Just like pecan pies should be FULL of pecans (not just a nutty layer on top of some goo) crab cakes should be 95% sweet blue crab with just enough egg and bread crumbs to hold them together.

Mrs. r. makes some badass crab cakes. We used to get fresh crabs from the Chesapeake Bay. You can get some pretty fresh crab here in H-town though. The Missus orders them through a chef, which is OK with me. Them things are a bear to pick and clean out. : )

Thank you for weighing in on an overlooked subject, pecan pies -- seriously. If they're mostly goo, they should be called goo pies, which is how it is most of the time esp with ALL that are manufactured e.g. what you get in restaurants.

H-town? Hagerstown? Hobe Sound? Hawthorne, Hayward, Hermosa Beach?

Easy does it, people.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   1:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: NeoconsNailed (#36)

Easy does it, people.

Hiroshima? Harlem? Hell? Haifa?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-26   1:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: StraitGate (#37)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell, _Michigan

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   1:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: titorite (#33)

Their was no reason to do it unless the reason was to piss off russia and nothing else.

Indeed...

The Turks drew a line in the sand, stay the hell away.

The Ruskies are NOT dealing with Obama now. The Turks are well aware Putin is playing in their sandbox, A VERY LONG WAY FROM HOME.

Astute observers were quick to take note of what Pooty came out with very early on...WE DO NOT WANT WAR WITH TURKEY...

Very forthright, the Turks understood him, Pooty understands now, dont tempt Turkey because they have and will take action.

Quick media judgements are readily adopted here by far too many members.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   9:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: NeoconsNailed (#38) (Edited)

Nope. It ain't Hell.

Been there, done that.

Greatest burgers in the Wolverine State.

dam site in, hell michigan

H-town = Houston.

Which is in Texas and don'tcha damned well forget it!

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-26   11:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#39)

I think you have a media bias point of view cyni...the russain aren't scared of Turkey. They are trying to avoid a nuclear escalation with NATO so as to avoid M.A.D. That said , turkish fuel trucks buying isis oil are no longer safe inside syria. It was in the news today. Turkey says it was humanitarian aid trucks. Russia says terrorist accomplices buying isis oil are also terrorists. Therefore fair game. Turkey really fucked up. Not Russia.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   12:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: titorite (#41)

I think you have a media bias point of view cyni.

Perhaps...

Perhaps you understand why Russia considers the US as their best ally?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   13:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#42)

That ain't stopping them from targeting Isis oil shipments.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   13:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: titorite (#43)

That ain't stopping them from targeting Isis oil shipments.

Will Russians take care NOT to go near Turkish airspace?

Or will Pooty continue to nibble around the edges?

I wager the border will avoided at all costs.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   14:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Cynicom (#44)

I wager the border will avoided at all costs.

There's no need to provoke the Turks at the border. Just stay in Syria and blast away.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-26   14:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Lod (#45)

There's no need to provoke the Turks at the border. Just stay in Syria and blast away.

Pooty has pushed for years. This time he pushed in the wrong place and got himself bitten but good on the world stage.

China and the US are snickering in their shoes.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   14:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#46)

Erdogan's pronouncements are just as dopey as are Barry's.

I'm tired of the world's crap.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-26   15:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Lod (#45)

Joel Skousen of World Affairs Brief, who is a decorated Vietnam-era combat pilot and as hard-assed Russo-skeptic as they come, thinks that the Su-24 shoot was a provocation by us to get the Russians to do exactly what they have done: ordered fighter escorts into the air to accompany air-to-ground missions.

The reason for this is that while the Russians have tons of data on our ECMs - electronic countermeasures - obtained in the course of our Iraq & Afghan operations, we have very little on theirs. Skousen said on Rense that no one should to be surprised if there are attempts over the next couple of weeks to get the Russians to light up their onboard radars and other stuff over Syria. If more high altitude sparring takes place in the near future, this may be the reason why.

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randge  posted on  2015-11-26   15:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: randge (#48)

The reason for this is that while the Russians have tons of data on our ECMs - electronic countermeasures - obtained in the course of our Iraq & Afghan operations, we have very little on theirs.

Having been immersed in ECM for several years militarily, I would wager that assertion as false and baseless.

War is NOT a speculators game. Either you know or you do not know and the loser is the one that came up short.

My first NSA briefing was a shocker. We came away speechless.

All out war painted for you, with your life in question, is a view into the real world.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   15:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#49)

Whatever your professional and/or life experiences may be, Cyni, your use of uncircumcribed absolutes detracts from your credibility.

Happy Thanksgiving, friend.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-26   16:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: randge (#50)

I admit to not being TV educated.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   16:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#51)

Enjoy your holiday.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-26   16:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#1)

you are proof that wisdom does not old age bestow.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2015-11-26   18:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: randge (#48)

Skousen said on Rense that no one should to be surprised if there are attempts over the next couple of weeks to get the Russians to light up their onboard radars and other stuff over Syria. If more high altitude sparring takes place in the near future, this may be the reason why.

Knowing nothing about ECMs, this makes sense here.

Skousen is no lightweight.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-26   18:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: IRTorqued (#53)

Care to elaborate?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   18:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#55) (Edited)

Well let's see if I can take a shot at it, .... Russia doesn't give a flip about turkey, turkey is changing their story up saying they did not know the planes were Russian , both Germany and the USA are pulling out their Patriot missiles systems from turkey.....

So yeah I would agree that all that bluster about the mighty bear being scared of the lying sniveling back stabbing turkey was just silliness. On par with turtle only he has a thicker shell and I hear women like baldness sometimes.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   19:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: titorite (#56)

So yeah I would agree that all that bluster about the mighty bear being scared of the lying sniveling back stabbing turkey was just silliness.

Scared?

Hardly, the Russians have no reason to be afraid of Turkey,

Poot is playing in Turkeys sandbox, a long way from home.

Over the years, the Soviets shot down many of our intrusion aircraft, always in their backyard, no war nothing said.

Perhaps you recall Ike coining the term "plausible deniability" as a public lie to tell the American people?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   19:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#57)

Perhaps you recall Ike coining the term "plausible deniability" as a public lie

I recall the term, but did not know it was Ike that coined it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-26   19:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#57)

Was that in response to the U-2 flights, or something else? thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2015-11-26   19:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: BTP Holdings (#58)

The US and Brits began overflying Russia before the end of WWII.

Patton and many others were well aware of the long haul intentions of Stalin.

Ike would authorize overflights but wanted a patent lie that could be given Americans, a lie that """could""" have some tiny shred of truth to it. Plausible deniability came out of it.

I lost friends that were caught over Russia. Russians shot them down, said nothing publicly, our military said they were missing over the Pacific on a "routine training flight". It was all a lie.

If you have time, on internet, google Capt. Harold Austin B-47 caught in Russian overflight. Its all there for anyone caring to see what the real world is like.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   19:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Lod (#59)

Was that in response to the U-2 flights, or something else? thanks.

At time of U2 yes.

However we were running many other flights over Russia and China before the U2.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   19:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#61)

Thanks.

Always good to learn that some memory banks are still functioning.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-26   19:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ada (#0)

Tsar Peter [Putin's favorite Russian leader ] used to say: "Don't trust the three: don't trust a woman, don't trust a Turk, and don't trust a non-drinker."

fortruss.blogspot.com/201...say-never-trust-turk.html

I'm with Tsar Peter on #2. Turkey has had its nose out of joint since Russia recognized the Armenian genocide, coupled with Pooty Poot bombing ISIS ( and Turkmen) camps in Syria.

Imho, Turkey is lying - Turkey nailed the Russian plane to send a message to Putin to back off, thinking that as a member of NATO it had cover. Turkey may be over estimating its strategic importance and treaties are like the US Constitution these days.

thehill.com/blogs/pundits...ay-have-a-strong-case-in- turkish-shootdown

scrapper2  posted on  2015-11-26   20:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cynicom (#60)

Well that explains everything. My condolences sir.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   20:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: scrapper2 (#63)

Oh, Turkey is atrocious and always has been -- the eternal world headquarters of brutal Islamic supremacism. Can anybody think of a single appearance by Turkey on the historical stage that wasn't bloody and tyrannical?

The idea of admitting it to any European club is sheer madness. IT IS IN ASIA and it shows.

I HATE Turkey and don't care who knows it.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   20:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: titorite (#64)

I attended their memorial services at NSA Washington, back when Clinton finally admitted they had been shot down by Russians long ago.

The real world, conducted in the shadows goes on.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-26   20:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Cynicom (#66)

Anybody trusts this governent to give 'em the right time of day, I'm sorry for 'em. We must reach the young and warn them of how DC, the bankers and fatcats want to throw their lives away.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-26   20:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom (#66)

My grand father was a flying tiger. Later went into to apollo program and did capsule test drops. He flew em and dropped em. A full carrer man.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   21:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: NeoconsNailed (#67)

Hey nn..... speaking of education, do you watch first amendment audits on youtube?

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-26   21:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#55)

sure, you are an old fool.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2015-11-27   8:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: titorite (#69) (Edited)

Wow, never heard of 'em! Watching the 1st one

www.youtube.com/watch? v=P_vfmEfp1KQ

Oh, GOD, by the end it's nothing but a test of police RACISM. I can't take it any longer. So fat today I've already had to leave a comment on a Live25 vid about this neurosis and put up with a spitload of it watching a documentary on Anonymous. Yankees know nothing but responding to media mass media stimuli EVEN WHEN THEY THINK THEY'RE EXPOSING AND COUNTERACTING IT!

The audits are a great concept if they're handled right. IMHO, that would start with a paper trail in advance of the first sortie as to what's allowed and under what code section, but I always was rather particular. Shoot me soem good cases please.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   8:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: IRTorqued (#70)

Are you a paragon of wisdom yourself?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   8:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: titorite (#68)

My grand father was a flying tiger.

Then he was a "volunteer".

The military, with the wink of an eye, allowed pilots to volunteer to resign their commission, join AVG for pay and fight the Japanese. After war breakout Gen. Chennault and men were absorbed by Army Air Corp.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-27   8:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: IRTorqued (#70)

sure, you are an old fool.

Most here have long been aware of that fact.

However why not overlook personal dislikes and add something to the conversation???

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-27   9:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Cynicom (#74)

Pay him (her?) no mind!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   10:04:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#32)

Wrong, still.

Rules of engagement. Heads up if PLANNED.

Dont tell me the Turks PLANNED to send the Russki jet into their air space?

Good heavens....

It's easy to jabber and jeer at others' speculation here when you avoid communicating in articulated sentences. You just hammer away with one liners.

Nobody made the absurd suggestion that "the Turks PLANNED to send the Russki jet into their air space."

If you have been following things you'll know that the Turkmen (who speak a Turkic dialect pretty much intelligible by other Turks) are cooperating with Erdogan and the organ eaters of ISIS to make life miserable for both the Kurds and the Assad government right belly up against the Turkish border.

These bastards are a nasty piece of work, and like ISIS fighters, they need the shit stomped out of them, which the Russians were doing with air-to-ground work.

Hell, I don't propose to know if this was a RUSSIAN PROVOCATION or a TURKISH PROVOCATION or an AMERICAN PROVOCATION. There are reasons for speculating on any number of hypotheses here, and nobody here can PROVE nothin'. It's a DISCUSSION after all.

I'd say though that IF this were a NATO job, this would have been the perfect opportunity to put it in play with the Russians operating a razor's edge off the Turkish border.

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randge  posted on  2015-11-27   11:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: StraitGate (#34)

What kind of sauce, if any, do you all put on your crab cakes?

I think the missus used some mayo, lemon juice, chili powder and cayenne, with just a dab of Dijon mustard, and a small sprinkle of chopped chives and parsley in the crab cake sauce. But you really don't need much of anything to top them off with, AFAIC.

Crab cakes were great for Thanksgiving. We went light on the kitchen drudgery this year, drank whiskey and watched the bloody Cowboys get the crap stomped out of them.

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randge  posted on  2015-11-27   11:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: randge (#77)

Thanks. That all sounds good. I'm glad there wasn't any garlic involved.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   15:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: randge (#76)

It's easy to jabber and jeer at others' speculation here when you avoid communicating in articulated sentences. You just hammer away with one liners.

Consider this...

Just perhaps much or most of the "speculation" offered here on the 4um is so asinine, so childish, it is not worth my time, nor anyones time, in any attempt of refutation.

Making such personal is a definite indication of inferiority of intellect and character.

Posters feeling the need for personal attack, rather than adding to the conversation, expose themselves for feeling some inadequacy.

If one does not suffer fools easily, I suggest they NOT read my postings.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-27   15:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Cynicom (#73)

That would be correct. He was full of that shawdow information that he could tell ya but then hed have to kill you. Retired as a lt colonel. Biggest funeral I ever seen.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-27   16:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: NeoconsNailed (#72)

I would say , undoubtedly. IRtorqued is among the sharper cookies of freedom4um. He dont need kid gloves and he dont wear them... torque uses blacksmith gloves.

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titorite  posted on  2015-11-27   16:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: titorite (#80)

That would be correct. He was full of that shawdow information that he could tell ya but then hed have to kill you. Retired as a lt colonel. Biggest funeral I ever seen.

Only the cream of the crop was allowed to "volunteer".

It is most difficult to have people stand in front of you, explain to you what you will do, how you will do it and that your chance of return is slim to none. You are shown things, told things, have the real world background explained to you, you walk out numb to the bone, but a hell of a lot wiser.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-27   16:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom, randge (#79)

Making such personal is a definite indication of inferiority of intellect

If one does not suffer fools easily, I suggest they NOT read my postings.

Fascinating, Cynicom. In the same post that you accuse another forum member of having an inferior intellect, you admit that you yourself are a fool.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   16:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: titorite (#80)

He was full of that shawdow information that he could tell ya but then hed have to kill you.

LOL

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   16:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: randge (#77)

Crab cakes

The best meal they gave us at Woodstock '94 was soft shell Crab. Delicious! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   16:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: StraitGate (#83)

Fascinating, Cynicom. In the same post that you accuse another forum member of having an inferior intellect, you admit that you yourself are a fool.

Must be true, right????

Those of us that are mental midgets, have no pretensions.

Olde saying, "he does not suffer fools gladly" would be fitting for denizens of 4um?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-11-27   16:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Cynicom (#79)

Just perhaps much or most of the "speculation" offered here on the 4um is so asinine, so childish, it is not worth my time, nor anyones time, in any attempt of refutation.

I find that amusing to hear from one who holds GW Bush in such high esteem he emulates his infantile behavior towards others, such as referring to the Russian president as "Pooty Poot". Can't you see that's a bit immature and childish?

Oh, and as far as Russia shaking in their boots over the Turkish dictator's criminal behavior, well, I beg to differ.

S-400 in Syria: Russia Gives 'Stark Warning' to Turkey


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-11-27   16:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: NeoconsNailed (#65)

Can anybody think of a single appearance by Turkey on the historical stage that wasn't bloody and tyrannical?

The Turks captured Lawrence of Arabia. They had never seen an Arab with blue eyes, so they tortured him to make him talk. They did not succeed. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   16:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: StraitGate (#78)

I'm glad there wasn't any garlic involved.

I use plenty of garlic in my Texas style chili, with NO beans. Gives the chili plenty of heat. I also use jalapenos, seeded, of course. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   17:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: BTP Holdings (#89)

We could almost get along, I think. I lived in Arizona years ago and learned that real chili doesn't have beans. Lots of jalepenos, yes. But I quit using garlic some years ago; grew to hate it for some reason. So much so that I don't even use regular chili powder, as it always has garlic in it. Instead I use ancho chile powder. Here in the Southeast, most people who try my chili like it, even my wife who always puts beans in her chili when she's cooking.

Sometimes I pre-roast the jalapenos over a slow fire of hickory (mesquite might be better, but can't get it around here). That's really good. Try it sometime.

Ever put a little dark chocolate in your chili? That's pretty good, too.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   17:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: StraitGate (#90) (Edited)

Instead I use ancho chile powder.

Ever put a little dark chocolate in your chili?

I'll have to try to find ancho chili powder. Don't think I've ever seen it.

Dark chocolate in your chili? Sounds interesting. I'll have to try it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: NeoconsNailed, Cynicom (#65)

Turkey

Do you know how they solved the Cuban Missile Crisis? The U.S. agreed to withdraw the Jupiter missiles from Turkey. That did the trick. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-27   17:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: StraitGate (#90)

Chili with no beans -- I'm sorry, but the whole friendship's off!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   17:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: BTP Holdings (#88) (Edited)

Seeing the movie, I kept waiting for some turning point at which he'd realize the English were rteacherous bastards. it came right late, but that was still on time :-)

I've just returned from a visit with a pastor and wife from South Africa. Both white and expecting their 7th child. The Boer War came up and thank God we were in agreement. That makes one from Namibia, one from Zim and one from SA that I've known here in greater Greenville since 2000 -- all homeschoolers etc.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   17:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: titorite (#81)

I would say , undoubtedly. IRtorqued is among the sharper cookies of freedom4um. He dont need kid gloves and he dont wear them... torque uses blacksmith gloves.

And the reason he's suddenly smacking Cynicom in the face is -- what?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-11-27   18:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: NeoconsNailed, StraitGate (#93)

When I was down in Tabasco a couple of years ago, I asked a petroleum engineer what they call that "chili" dish that you can find in a diner everywhere in any one of the 50 state up north.

He said, "We call it frijoles borrachos." In other words - drunken beans. That is a dish that has its own virtues IMHO, but should be eaten in moderation for obvious reasons. I think they like to make it with bacon down there rather than with ground beef though.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-27   19:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: NeoconsNailed (#93)

Chili with no beans -- I'm sorry...

Beans are to a Texan's or Arizonan's chili what water is to an Irishman's whiskey.

This is a very emotional topic for some absolutists, among whom I do not really number myself. (Google returns 31.7M results for "beans in chili".) I can live with beans in chili if the alternative is starving. But if you want to put macaroni or rice in it, then please move to Haiti.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   19:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: StraitGate (#97)

This could get hotter than a Turkey shoot in the Middle East but:

Beans and chilis are Southwestern food too - whether your call them borrachos or charros or whatever.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-11-27   20:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: randge (#98)

This thread is giving me a flashback to the chimichangas at El Charro Cafe in Tucson. Never had anything quite like that since, but I can make one at home that's fairly close to it.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   20:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: randge, StraitGate, NN, 4 (#98)

Mrs.L loves her Ranch Style beans, so they'll be in tomorrow's chili, along with lean ground turkey, Wick Fowler's Two Alarm Chili Fixins, onions and other stuff. Drop in if you're in the hood.

I may even do some Ass-kickin' cornbread to complete the feast.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-27   20:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Lod (#100)

Mrs. SG loves her Ranch Style Beans, too.

Corn bread: I use a big black iron skillet. Pre-heat it and put a couple of tablespoons of corn oil in it. Add some corn and chopped jalapenos to the batter. Pour the batter into the hot skillet over the hot corn oil. Throw the skillet into the oven until it's done.

Did I mention that I like to eat?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   21:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: StraitGate (#101)

Here's the coolest baking device you'll ever use:

www.bakersedge.com/ if you like the crust, you'll love it.

I use it for lots and lots of things.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-27   21:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Lod (#102)

Edges galore! Thanks. Now I know what to get my wife for me for Christmas.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-11-27   21:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: StraitGate (#103)

Great! I guarantee that you guys will love it. We have two in case guests are coming in for chow.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-11-27   22:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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