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Title: ‘US made 1st move to worsen ties with Moscow’ – ex-Pentagon chief
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URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/1 ... with-moscow-ex-pentagon-chief/
Published: Dec 4, 2015
Author: GPD
Post Date: 2015-12-04 14:26:33 by Ada
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Views: 682
Comments: 33

Washington initiated the aggravation of dialogue with Moscow by making a number of strategic mistakes, a former Defense Secretary under Bill Clinton has told US media. Among such errors were the “premature” expansion of NATO and the breaking off of military ties.

The chain of events that led to the rapid deterioration of US-Russian relations started in the early 1990s, The Hill cited William Perry as saying. Perry, who served as Secretary of Defense under Clinton from 1994 to 1997, spoke at a roundtable hosted by the US-based Defense Writers Group on Thursday.

At the time, Washington championed the expansion of NATO and decided to deploy a US-led NATO contingent to Bosnia, once part of the former Yugoslavia – a move that unleashed bloody wars in the Balkans with thousands of civilian casualties.

“We were on the way to forging a really positive and solid relationship between the US [and Russia], and then in 1996 we announced we were going to expand NATO, which, as I said, I’m not opposed to in general, but it was premature,” said Perry. “That was the first move down the slippery slope.”

“It’s as much our fault as it is the fault of the Russians, at least originally,” he said. “And it began when I was secretary.”

Although Perry accused Russia for “entering Ukraine [and] threatening Baltic nations,” he admitted that “if you look over a 20-year period and put the scoreboard together, there are at least as many American mistakes as there were Russian.”

Perry also recalled the situation in the former Yugoslavia, when the US and Russian military managed to cooperate within a unified command chain to avoid any potential accidents, which he said was far from being an option in Syria today.

Despite Washington’s failures in policymaking, it was “stupid” to break military-to-military cooperation with Russia, Perry argued. “It’s a political statement, ‘We’re going to cut off a military-to-military relationship.’ It’s stupid, but that’s what we do,” Perry said. “That’s the time when you need your military-to-military relations most of all.”

Military relations between Russia and the US have been suspended since the Ukrainian crisis. However, since the launch of Russia’s anti-terror operation in Syria, Moscow has proposed cooperation with the US-led forces in their ongoing military campaign in Syria.

In October, Moscow and Washington signed a bilateral agreement with the US on preventing dangerous incidents over and on Syrian soil, as both Russian and American air contingents are operating there.

The agreement currently in force includes establishing 24/7 ground communication line between Russian and American military staffs and enacting a set of radio frequencies both sides can make use of, as well as appointing a temporary working group to facilitate any issue that may arise.

So far this is the only sign of a collaborative military effort between the two countries in Syria, as the US is still reluctant to join forces with Russia in the fight against Islamic State (formerly ISIS/ISIL). In the meantime, the US-led coalition force is conducting its own aerial campaign, which Russia sees as illegitimate without a specific UN Security Council mandate or Syrian government approval.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   16:15:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

Please delete that post, Loddy. Dear God.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-12-04   16:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#1) (Edited)

How dare you imply that Our President is a vain knucklehead with terminal narcissistic personality disorder!?!?!

I curse the day the first person lied to him that he was gorgeous. Day of doom for planet earth.

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Don't listen to Exxon.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   16:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

“We were on the way to forging a really positive and solid relationship between the US [and Russia], and then in 1996 we announced we were going to expand NATO, which, as I said, I’m not opposed to in general, but it was premature,” said Perry. “That was the first move down the slippery slope.”

“It’s as much our fault as it is the fault of the Russians, at least originally,” he said.

The main fault of the Russians was in trusting the US/NATO to keep their word that they wouldn't expand eastward.

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Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal

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PnbC  posted on  2015-12-04   16:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed, Esso, 4 (#3)

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   17:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed, Lod, christine, 4um (#3)

How dare you imply that Our President is a vain knucklehead with terminal narcissistic personality disorder!?!?!

Why not? I just hated that Loddy's video was autoplaying.

Don't listen to Exxon.

I've been here with chrissy & Lod since this place came into being. My former screen name at a former website we used to haunt was commonly abbreviated as SO which stood for S**** O******. A lot of what I used to do as a contractor had a lot to do with energy management, so I started using Esso, which does have kind of an ascetically pleasing logo, kind of an irony thingy.

Sorry, I'm a fucking retard now.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-12-04   17:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#5)

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

I was just shittin' you, my man.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-12-04   17:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Esso, Dakmar (#6)

You guys should cash it out in IN and get down to Waco where the living's easy and dirt cheap. See for yourselves on HGTV's Fixer Upper.

Were it possible, I'd be there with you; I promise.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   17:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#8)

get down to Waco where the living's easy and dirt cheap

But it comes with the risk of the Fibees/ATF burning your place.

Ada  posted on  2015-12-04   18:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#9)

They've already done the Davidians.

It's all good in Jerusalem on the Brazos these days.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   18:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod, Dakmar, christine, Tex4s, 4um (#8)

You guys should cash it out in IN and get down to Waco where the living's easy and dirt cheap. See for yourselves on HGTV's Fixer Upper.

Loddy, you know I was getting ready to come down there for a visit a little over two years ago, but texting woman changed all that.

Texas doesn't need me, or want me now, but if I were you, I'd keep trying to recruit Dakkie, he'd be a helluva asset for Texas.

Odin can't take me soon enough, but he needs warriors, not bent, broken, deaf & braindead former contractors. God, I would've loved to take care of you and your properties and every 4umer within driving range. Apparently my destiny lies elsewhere.

I love you guys. See you in Valhalla.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-12-04   19:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Esso (#6)

Whoa, this is getting serious. I'm sorry I didn't mean it you were right =-o

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   19:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#8)

Isn't it hot as the hinges of hell and ruint with Messicans? One of the greatest living keyboard musicians lives there

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and when I say greatest I'm not messing around.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   19:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)

Whoa, this is getting serious.

I've never been too serious, if you look in the archives before 11/26/2013, you'll see that for the most part.

I'm sorry I didn't mean it you were right

I never tried to be "right" I just tried to help people. Fortunately I quite by accident ran into a well-to-do truck driver, Jay, who needs help managing his property, and he's helping me out.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2015-12-04   19:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Esso (#14) (Edited)

Great news on the hook-up with Jay. Best wishes on a continuing good relationship.

I wish you were here, but I understand, lod

Moving is a bitch from hell.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   19:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#13)

Thank you, I'd never heard of Joyce. Going great at 79, amazing.

I suck at 69.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   19:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#16)

No, you're going great guns at that age, working every day to keep vital, suppressed truth in circulation -- one of the noblest callings there's ever been on this earth. You do it with gusto and I'm sure ply the world around you with it.

In at least this sense, you're more alive than 50% (or way more) of younger people. And using your brain just incidentally helps keep it together as more years pile up. Even science has discovered this. Old folks whose cerebration has never risen above card games are going dotty right and left -- you prolly never will.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   20:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#17)

lol - since I don't do card games, maybe there's hope for a few more years here.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   20:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Esso (#14)

a well-to-do truck driver,

He must stay out of the truck stop restaurants. That is how you blow your money on the road. When I drove the big truck, I would pack up the electric cooler and take some food with on the road. It helps to keep down expenses. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-12-04   20:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ada (#0)

Washington championed the expansion of NATO and decided to deploy a US-led NATO contingent to Bosnia,

I knew an old boy over in Lebanon. His kid went to Bosnia in the U.S. military. That old boy was a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was exposed to Agent Orange. I heard he passed away two years ago this coming January. The Agent Orange finally got him. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-12-04   21:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod (#18)

Since hearing that interview with "Sean" and David Dees earlier I DON'T ASSOCIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO PLAY CARDS...... now where was I, Windows hearts nexto a Youtube movie.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   21:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BTP Holdings, IRTorqued (#19)

I would pack up the electric cooler and take some food with on the road.

Yes, coolers are very nice on the road. They can keep your chocolate from melting in the summertime. I learned that here.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-04   21:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#10)

When I worked for the State of Illinois, they called me "Tex" because I always wore a cowboy hat. We went thru some really bad winters there. The most snow I've seen here was about 20" a couple of years ago. Everything was shut down for three days. They brought in a Bobcat to clear the complex I live in.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Jacinto

I know you rarely see freezing temps where you are at. I've been thru below zero stuff up north. The trucks did not want to run in cold like that. You needed ether to start them, unless they were parked inside the garage. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-12-04   21:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod (#10) (Edited)

Oh -- Brazos.

Carolyn Hester / The Rivers Of Texas
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Gw9LrLyyE

This song's from a marvelous Hester album we had during the folkie era. The liner notes give all the usual info and then add proudly that the entire production was the work of Southwesterners. I love GOOD regionalism and such touches.

Now this is what I like, gang -- conversation!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   21:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: StraitGate (#22)

chocolate

I've got some on the side over here. Time for a late night snack. Yum! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-12-04   21:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: BTP Holdings (#25) (Edited)

This stuff's the ultimate -- cheaper per ounce than a bag of squares, too.

Add a few raisins with each bite and it's a cross between nirvana and satori. Eat it slow, close your eyes and see visions!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-12-04   21:38:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: NeoconsNailed, BTP Holdings (#26)

Yes, Intense Orange®. Lindt is my resort when the Droste is all eaten up.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-04   21:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: StraitGate (#27)

I'll definitely check it out. Bark Thins is another worthy offering, but if I can get chocolate with a shot of orange, I'm there.

Thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-04   22:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#28)

I could almost live off of good chocolate, good coffee, and good root beer. But I can't even look at the first two items after 6:00pm or I won't sleep that night.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-04   22:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod (#28)

Bark Thins

Is that on the pet supplies aisle?

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-04   23:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: StraitGate (#30)

Check Costco, better grocers, or the internet for best results. :-)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-05   17:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#31)

OK, I checked 'em out on line, and you sold me on 'em. Several places around here should have 'em. I'll try them tomorrow before the Christmas parade that I got volunteered to help with. (It's a long story.) Thanks.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-12-05   20:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: StraitGate (#32)

Addictive and satisfying stuff, enjoy.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-12-05   20:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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