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Title: ‘I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding’ – Trump at debates
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URL Source: https://www.rt.com/usa/331629-trump ... ates-waterboarding-republican/
Published: Feb 7, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2016-02-07 08:02:10 by Ada
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Views: 286
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The Republican debates have wrapped up in New Hampshire, with some formidable bickering, topped by poll leader Donald Trump’s comment that he would “bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”

Trump is also the person who recently in November said he does not care if torture doesn’t work, because “they deserve it anyway.”

On Saturday, he continued in the same vein. "I'll tell you what, in the Middle East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians. We have people chopping the heads off many other people. We have things that we have never seen before, as a group… I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding."

His opponent, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, went as far as saying he does not believe the notorious practice of simulated drowning to be torture. “It is enhanced interrogation… It does not meet the generally recognized definition of torture.” He later added, however: “I would not bring it back in any sort of widespread use.”

Read more Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump. © Jim BourgSore loser? Trump accuses Cruz of 'stealing' Iowa caucus However, despite this national alarm over waterboarding and the Bush era’s murky history – or even the Obama administration’s somewhat disappointing failure to prosecute those who sanctioned it, many Americans still seem to be betting on the one candidate who is most in favor of such methods.

Trump has left Ted Cruz and Florida Senator Marco Rubio far behind in the polls, gaining twice their numbers. But some suspect Trump’s 32 percent may not be that inexplicable. Political analyst Eric Draitser believes the Republican rhetoric amounts to fear mongering, where everyone tries to use the party’s traditional tactics to score points.

“Well, they’re playing to a very conservative and reactionary element in the United States, one that sees threats from radical Islam; that sees threats from the Middle East, from ISIS and all of these things as existential threats to the United States, and they’re playing on that,” Draitser told RT.

“What is so deeply cynical about all of this – whether they’re talking about waterboarding and terrorism… the heroin epidemic or the growing scourge of heroin use – [is] never asking the question – ‘where is the heroin coming from?’: Afghanistan. ‘Where are the terrorists coming from?’ All of the countries the United States has been bombing and destroying,” he continued.

While Trump may understand political theater better than anyone on either side of the spectrum, he’s also being accused by Republicans of being a loose cannon.

READ MORE: #TooLateObama: President criticized for mosque visit from left and right

Draitser believes people should unite behind someone who is a serious opponent to Trump – such as the establishment-friendly Marco Rubio – and somehow also prevent Trump from going with a third party. Because, if Trump leaves the Republicans, this may eventually pave the way for Hillary Clinton’s victory.

In this way, the internal divisions among the Republicans seem to be of great importance. Just a few months ago, people were willing to concede that the very establishment-friendly Hillary had all but won. However, the tide appears to be changing, as many Americans still view her as, basically, Wall Street, next to someone like Sanders, who is now almost exactly tied with her.

The other candidates seemed to be using other issues to try and score what little they could to compete.

Read more Democratic U.S. presidential candidate and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders. © Randall Hill‘Hillary Clinton’s real constituency has been Wall Street and the military- industrial complex’ Trying to slow down the Florida senator ahead of the New Hampshire primaries on Tuesday, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie blasted him for lacking leadership skills and experience, and even likened him to Obama.

"We've watched it happen, everybody. For the last seven years. The people of New Hampshire are smart. Do not make the same mistake again."

Rubio’s accomplishments were actually near the top of the agenda, together with Islamic State, the epidemic of heroin use, economic recovery and, of course, immigration.

As for the three front-runners, it was Trump, Rubio and Ted Cruz who really got the debates going. And it was terrorism and immigration that took center-stage. While Trump is still the front-runner, things could change: the billionaire mogul came in second in Iowa recently, and some believe he may not have what it takes to win New Hampshire.

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#1. To: All, katniss (#0)

Maybe Katniss is right about Donald Trump

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   8:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

That is just terrible. Any amerikan who says we should torture the hated Ayrabs shold be waterboarded.

Still, we must remember that every "good" president we've ever had duing a time of great crisis has had terrible things said about him -- truthfully, it seems. Including Washington.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   8:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

That is just terrible. Any amerikan who says we should torture the hated Ayrabs shold be waterboarded.

Still, we must remember that every "good" president we've ever had duing a time of great crisis has had terrible things said about him -- truthfully, it seems. Including Washington.

Trump was sounding like Fox News. Lets hope he really didn't mean it.

People still say terrible things about Washington even today. Haven't forgiven him for the Whiskey Rebellion.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   8:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

"I'll tell you what, in the Middle East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians. We have people chopping the heads off many other people"

He scared himself by sympathizing with Christians only, then cravenly amended it.

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod.

Bub  posted on  2016-02-07   9:09:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Bub (#4)

Good insight there, Bub.

Once at a gubernatorial debate here one of the candidates mentioned "Christian values", then stopped suddenly as if he had been shot, paused for a moment, turned to the female Jew candidate and said apologetically, "Jew-DAY-o Christian values."

StraitGate  posted on  2016-02-07   9:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Bub (#4)

He scared himself by sympathizing with Christians only, then cravenly amended it.

Trump has been consistent on one thing from day one, CHRISTIANITY IS UNDER ATTACK WORLD WIDE.

Many Americans need to enter the real world.

Christians that bury their heads in the sand, expose themselves.

People need to review what Albert Pike predicted for WWIII.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-07   9:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada, Katniss (#1)

Maybe Katniss is right about Donald Trump

It certainly scores one in her favor.

This hurts Trump. Most people are tired of war, and have an implicit perception of the harm US foreign policy has inflicted on other countries. This comment by Trump shows he's out of touch with the fact that the US is an empire that's been exploiting the world for many decades, if not longer.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-07   10:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ada (#0)

His opponent, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, went as far as saying he does not believe the notorious practice of simulated drowning to be torture. “It is enhanced interrogation… It does not meet the generally recognized definition of torture.” He later added, however: “I would not bring it back in any sort of widespread use.”

Translation:

Yes, it's torture, but you can count on me to not go after W Bush for committing this crime.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-07   10:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)

This comment by Trump shows he's out of touch with the fact that the US is an empire that's been exploiting the world for many decades, if not longer.

Since WWII, like it or not, the US has been the world policeman.

Nearly continuous wars, yes indeed, world wide wars? No.

The alternative is allow someone else police the world. Would the world and or the US be better for it?

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-07   10:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#7)

It certainly hurts Trump's support from those who are tired of war and the many decades of global abuses that interventionist U.S. policy has and is causing.

But how many of us are there, really? When was the last time 40,000 people walked out of a football stadium in protest over the event being made a celebration of the U.S. military and implicitly the empire's using it to spread mayhem, death, and sorrow around the world?

StraitGate  posted on  2016-02-07   10:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#9)

Since WWII, like it or not, the US has been the world policeman.

The USA and USSR kept each other at bay. If the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed, I suspect a lot of the crap the USA has done in the last 20+ years would have occurred.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-07   10:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: StraitGate (#10)

When was the last time 40,000 people walked out of a football stadium in protest over the event being made a celebration of the U.S. military and implicitly the empire's using it to spread mayhem, death, and sorrow around the world?

Having never met a man that liked war, there is action that should be taken by all such people.

Namely, refuse to file or pay any federal income tax of any kind in public protest.

It would be difficult to get 4 Americans to stand up to this criminal government, let alone 40,000.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-07   10:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: StraitGate (#10)

I think the weariness of war is what helped Obama beat McCain in 08. Part of Obama's promise was to bring troops home and close Guantanamo. He got the Nobel peace prize for the simple reason that he wasn't Bush. Of course Obama didn't deliver, but that's what helped him as well as the D's taking over congress.

As far as boycotting military honors, that will probably never happen, as too many families have members in the military, and they will never willingly see things in the proper light, even if the only reason they are in the military was to pay for college or just get a job in a horrible economy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-07   11:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#11)

The USA and USSR kept each other at bay. If the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed, I suspect a lot of the crap the USA has done in the last 20+ years would have occurred.

Assume you meant to say have not occurred.

It is interesting to read some of the Soviet archives that have been opened to public inspection. Particularly the Korean war and its aftermath, especially Stalins orders to the Chinese and North Koreans.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-07   11:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

especially Stalins orders to the Chinese and North Koreans

This is interesting only for the fact that it shows how closely linked the Chinese and Soviets were, including with the North Koreans. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   11:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ada (#0)

Trump is also the person who recently in November said he does not care if torture doesn’t work, because “they deserve it anyway.”

According to the Trading With The Enemy Act of 1917 (as Amended) the People of the United States are the enemy of the government.

Do you think that Trump feels the same way about the people of the U.S. as he does about those foreigners? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   11:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BTP Holdings (#16)

Do you think that Trump feels the same way about the people of the U.S. as he does about those foreigners? ;)

I think Trump is a simple soul who does not consider the American people his enemy.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   12:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ada (#17)

I think Trump is a simple soul who does not consider the American people his enemy.

Simple soul or not, he may have no choice since the Act is the law. And his advisers would tell him so. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   12:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BTP Holdings (#18)

Simple soul or not, he may have no choice since the Act is the law. And his advisers would tell him so. ;)

Our masters no longer pay attention to the law.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   15:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ada (#19)

Our masters no longer pay attention to the law.

Was it H.W. Bush or W that said something to that effect.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   16:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BTP Holdings, Ada, 4 (#20)

Kissinger says, “The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer. But since the FOIA, I'm afraid to say things like that.”

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-02-07   16:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BTP Holdings (#20)

Our masters no longer pay attention to the law. Was it H.W. Bush or W that said something to that effect.

Those two should know.

Remember please, all, that there would have been NO USSR, NO communist "threat", NO red China ad infinitum without England and amerika incubating and then sponsoring/glorifying/reinforcing it all those years. We all surely agree that the establishment creates bugaboos to "save" us from -- well, there's the biggest one of all.

Latest issue of the Nationalist Times is out with my Putin-shaming article on page 4.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   19:00:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ada (#3)

People still say terrible things about Washington even today. Haven't forgiven him for the Whiskey Rebellion.

That's reassuring when most people don't seem to have known there ever was one.

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YE gods, even this one's true!!

www.todayifoundout.com/in...s-melt-almost-completely- before-growing-into-butterflies-in-the-chrysalis/

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   19:04:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)

That's reassuring when most people don't seem to have known there ever was one.

Used to be part of grammar school history; but I'm sure you are right and it is no longer taught. When it was, the text books sided with G. Wash.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   19:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ada (#24)

If only they'd told the truth -- that it was a gross act of statist tyranny. Tell 'em, Murray Rothbard!!

www.lewrockwell.com/1970/...-the-feds-first-attacked- the-americans/

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   19:23:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NeoconsNailed (#22)

Latest issue of the Nationalist Times is out with my Putin-shaming article on page 4.

Hope you will post it here. Just be prepared for a wee bit of disagreement as there are some of us on the 4um who regard Pootie Poot in the same light as we do Trump.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   20:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: NeoconsNailed (#25)

No local juries could be found to convict tax delinquents.

Ah, those were the days.

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   20:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: NeoconsNailed, Ada (#23)

People still say terrible things about Washington even today. Haven't forgiven him for the Whiskey Rebellion.

Yes, Washington lead the troops against people in Pennsylvania that refused to pay the lawful excise on alcohol. This was a lawful excise that was passed by Congress and Washington was enforcing it long before there was a BATF to do it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   20:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ada (#26)

It's an amplification of my #3 here --

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=185633&Disp=3#C3

Feel sure I posted the text in another thread?...... Also rich -- "Club Death Judaica" et al here:

zioncrimefactory.com/jew- world-order/

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   20:47:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BTP Holdings (#28)

For once, you and I disagree on something. Not a bad rate :-)

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   20:48:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: NeoconsNailed (#30)

For once, you and I disagree on something.

It's like Sgt. Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-02-07   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: NeoconsNailed (#29)

It's an amplification of my #3 here --

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i?ArtNum=185633&Disp=3#C3

I went into the website where they had a few paragraphs but said to read the whole article, a subscription was necessary.

Seeing as you wrote it and presumably own the copyright, can you get the whole article posted here?

Ada  posted on  2016-02-07   20:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#12)

Namely, refuse to file or pay any federal income tax of any kind in public protest.

It would be difficult to get 4 Americans to stand up to this criminal government, let alone 40,000.

You got that right, Cyni.

christine  posted on  2016-02-07   21:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pinguinite (#13)

As far as boycotting military honors, that will probably never happen, as too many families have members in the military, and they will never willingly see things in the proper light, even if the only reason they are in the military was to pay for college or just get a job in a horrible economy.

dead on

christine  posted on  2016-02-07   21:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ada (#0)

Trump is also the person who recently in November said he does not care if torture doesn’t work, because “they deserve it anyway.”

judge, jury, and executioner, huh, Mr. Trump? no right to a trial? he doesn't care whether it works or not which means he doesn't care if innocents are framed and tortured. will this extend to Americans as well as foreigners?

this is bad news and a terrible, terrible precedent and policy.

christine  posted on  2016-02-07   21:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#35)

Unfortunately, not a single one of the GOP or Dummacrat dwarves is any better on this. Am I right? Even if they haven't bilged forth on torture during the campaign, the GOPers' first thought every hour on the hour is how amerika needs a much stronger, bigger military so it really show them AYRABS who this planet belongs to.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-02-07   21:23:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ada (#0)

Sieg Heil, Reichsfuhrer Donald von Trumpen!! LoL!!! As long as he remains the target of Zionist/neocon entities then he's still The Man to rally behind. The fact that the kikenvermin are now throwing ALL of their money at Gang of Eight Rubio tells the tale.......

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X-15  posted on  2016-02-07   23:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#14)

Assume you meant to say have not occurred.

Yes, thank you. Too late to edit.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-08   11:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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