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Title: Did LaVoy Finicum ever oppose the "tyranny" of the state stealing people's kids? NO, he fed off of it. CPS is EVIL.
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2016/tyranny-of-foster-parents.html
Published: Feb 13, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-02-13 13:00:52 by Artisan
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State CPS Agents Seize Family's Kids With No Due Process, Outraged Armed Father Seizes Children Back From Foster Parents

The facetious headline above is made up, yet not to say unwarranted in our current society. This is to make a point.

Just a few more thoughts on the whole Oregon fiasco. This isn't to demonize Lavoy Finicum or to say he deserved to die for his acts- I think the whole ordeal could have been handled much better and non violently, on both sides. I am going to 'dare' offer a critical analysis of someone who's been martyred and lionized by the 'patriot' community.

"SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME!" is what Finicum shouted to cops, according to his friend and witness Shawna Cox... this after he sped towards the roadblock, crashed and jumped out of the vehicle. I don't think this guy is some hero like many do. He acted like a maniac. According to Cox, Ryan Payne, a passenger in Finicum's vehicle, was arguing with him to stop the truck but Finicum refused. The Oregon newspaper which interviewed Cox after Finicum's death reported

"Finicum's determination to push on, though, triggered an argument with Payne. Payne had participated in the 2014 standoff with federal agents in Nevada over Cliven Bundy's disputed grazing privileges. Cox said Payne grew increasingly agitated, urging Finicum to stop.,, Payne told the group the police "mean business" and stepped out of the pickup, shouting at officers that there were women inside. He was soon in police custody, while Finicum yelled at police that he wanted to go see the sheriff, referring to Palmer."

Finicum had emphasized previously that he was not going to prison. Finicum basically committed suicide by cop. I think he used gravely (literally) bad judgment & failed to respect human life- his own- which belongs to God, not just us.

As the Catholic Catechism teaches on The Fifth Commandment, Thou Shalt Not Kill,

Suicide

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law. Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Furthermore, the Hammonds, the father & son in prison whom all these protesters were complaining about didn't even support their acts. "Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond Family," the Hammonds' lawyer W. Alan Schroeder wrote to Harney County, Oregon Sheriff David Ward. The whole thing didn't make much sense to me. There were distinct differences between the Oregon case and the Bundy ranch situation in Nevada, Waco and Ruby Ridge, as libertarian icon G. Edward Griffin pointed out in early January. Griffin had correctly warned "If continued on this course, a bloodbath is assured."

One more thing. Finicum admitted in the past that he made his living NOT as a rancher, but as a "foster parent" to dozens of kids over the years. Did he ever mind or oppose the "tyranny" of the state stealing people's kids? Which is at the very least equally egregious, one could even argue infinitely worse than stealing their lands? No, he fed on that government teat like a leaeh welfare recipient enabler. I find that whole so-called "child protective services" system very evil & revolting, & I've seen how they destroy families. I suppose Finicum is lucky he never came across an armed zealot who was righteously pissed that the state stole their kid and gave the kid to Finicum. I'm Not too impressed with all these Mormon cultists.

The tweet below shows all the bullet holes in Finicum's vehicle. This just emphasizes how irresponsible his actions were. All of those people with him could have easily lost their lives.

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#8. To: Artisan (#0) (Edited)

Well this is what a tyranny looks like. The needless death, the disregard for decency and rights, the break down of civil society, its all been done before amd its happening again. The cops didnt have to kill, suicide by cop is a lie. Its a lie man. It is a lie, .... a modern mainstream cop protecting lie. The coulda beat em up. They coulda used their other options. They choose murder because they have all been taught and trained that they are allowed to kill anyone they want in the name of the law and thats not suicide, that legalized murder.

titorite  posted on  2016-02-13   20:47:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: titorite (#8)

when anyone acts like finicum did around cops, speeding towards the cop roadblock and getting out flailing his arms, they're gonna die quick. it was very crazy and stupid what he did, unless, like he said, he wasn't going to prison. why did the other people surrender peacefully, including ryan payne who demanded finucim stop the truck, without being sniped? probably because they didn't demand it. it was a pointless needless death.

his choice of actions brought it on himself.

Artisan  posted on  2016-02-13   21:42:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

his choice of actions brought it on himself.

The same could be said of the Colonists at Breeds Hill, they died, brought it on themselves.

They were of the three per centers. We must NOT have anyone that goes against government.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-13   22:16:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

We must NOT have anyone that goes against government.

if "going against government" means you act in a way that will get you sniped by amped-up Israeli-trained police, then yeah it's prudent not to do that or you'll be pushing daisies real quick.

what "revolutionary change", exactly, did finicum enact by getting sniped?

Artisan  posted on  2016-02-14   9:16:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#12)

what "revolutionary change", exactly, did finicum enact by getting sniped?

TRYING to awaken Americans that are so afraid they do not even DARE put up a billboard in protest to this government.

A cowardly lot we are, even find fault with those that speak up.

Ninety seven per centers we are. Whine, snivel and wring our hands and then find fault with those that make a stand.

Cowardly lot we are.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-14   9:22:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, christine (#14)

you sound like one of those anarchist cop-haters. I'm surprised at your response.

it doesn't make someone 'cowardly' to see how insane and unwise it is to scream at cops 'shoot me shoot me shoot me' after charging their roadblock. that is looney tunes territory.

would you really scream at a swat team to kill you?

if so, that is very sad and severely disturbed.

Artisan  posted on  2016-02-14   9:29:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: Artisan, Christine, All (#15)

you sound like one of those anarchist cop-haters. I'm surprised at your response.

One has to be careful about using the word...you...

It is an accusatory word, far too often misused.

Nowhere is the word "cops" mentioned in any venue.

One of my ancestors died on opening day of the Revolution, a Dr. Joseph Warren. He was commissioned as a Major General to lead the fight rather than George Washington. Instead he died as a private on opening day of the Revolutionary War, a war fought by just three per cent of the Colonists.

The others???? They sat back and sniped and complained about those that fought.

History is an interesting subject, rarely visited by most.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-02-14 09:47:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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