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Title: Hezbollah WMD Attacks Inside US Cities?
Source: References Noted Within
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Feb 7, 2006
Author: Patrick B. Briley
Post Date: 2006-02-07 20:21:01 by OKCSubmariner
Keywords: Hezbollah, Attacks, Cities?
Views: 608
Comments: 61

Copyright 2006 by Patrick B. Briley

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad recently pledged in late 2005 to use Iran's weapons capabilities to "wipe Israel off the map" and to "DESTROY AMERICA." Iran's hardliner 'sees the light'. Iran’s pledge to destroy America was not made as a bluff or just because the US has led world nations against Iran’s nuclear weapon program.

AlQaeda and Hezbollah terrorist group leaders aligned with Iran and Syria have also made recent threats against the US. Bin Laden’s last tape warned in January 2006 of attacking, bleeding the US economy and destroying the US if the US does not agree to the terms of Laden’s Islamic truce. The Hezbollah international terror group leader, Hasan Nasrallah, made a speech on Hezbollah’s Al Manar Television immediately after 9/11 warning that America's day of judgment would come.

Bashar Assad, the Syrian leader of Iran’s military ally, also has made threats against the US. Syria Threatens US with Military Retaliation Iran's President Ahmedinejad just attended a terror summit in January 2006 hosted by Syria's leader Assad.

Iran, Syria, Bin Laden and Nasrallah may well soon try to deliver on their threats by attacking US cities with WMDS delivered by AlQaeda and Iranian and Syrian backed Hezbollah terrorists. Syria has been helping Iran arm Hezbollah.

The Islamic terror organizations, AlQaeda and Hezbollah have forged global operational alliances with each other as well as with Iran and Syria. The Egyptian FBI informant Ali Mohammed organized and provided security for the summit meeting in Sudan between Bin Laden and the Hezbollah terror chief Mughniyah, responsible for the killing of 243 Marines killed in the bombing of their Beirut barracks in 1983. Mugniyeh was also responsible with Hezbollah for the bombings of US and French embassies, and Israeli consulates and synagogues in Argentina. Al Qaidah’s links to Iran and Hizbollah

Leaders from Hezbollah met with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and top AlQaeda leaders such as Dr. Ayman Zawahiri at two terror summits in Baghdad in December 2000 and February 2001 to amalgamate and collaborate.

Both AlQaeda and Hezbollah have the capability to conduct surveillance in the US in major US cities. In 2004 the FBI nabbed an Iranian surveillance team while the FBI was watching Israeli consulates in LA, Atlanta and Houston. Close ties have been set up by Iranian officials between Iranian intelligence, AlQaeda and Hezbollah inside Iraq and around the world. Like AlQaeda, Hezbollah surveillance teams have been picked up when operating in Western Europe for Iran. FBI Catches Iranian Surveillance Teams Red-handed

Syria and Iran have their own advanced nuclear and WMD programs. The London-based Jane's Defense Weekly recently reported that Iran and Syria signed a strategic accord meant to protect either country from international pressure regarding their weapons programs. Syria agreed to store Iranian nuclear and WMD materials and weapons if Teheran came under United Nations sanctions. Report: Syria agrees to hide Iran weapons

Syria and Iran have also been the recipients of Pakistan’s (A.Q. KHAN) and Iraq’s WMD research and materials including biological and chemical weapons as well as plutonium that can be used to make dirty radiological bombs. Russia Moved Iraqi WMD

Iran and Syria have been harboring, plotting with, and training Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists in the use of missiles, sabotage and likely WMDS in the Bekka Valley of Lebanon. See Iran Continues to train, arm Hezbollah and Bush Again Accuses Iran and Syria of Harboring Terrorists

Hezbollah and AlQaeda are believed to have access to Iranian and Syrian developed WMDS as well as Iraqi WMD materials stored in Iran and in Lebanon’s Bekka valley. AlQaeda and Hebollah are also believed to be sharing their acquisitions and training expertise in the use of WMDS Hezbollah preparing chemical weapons?

CIA Director George Tenet testified before Congress February 24, 2004 that Hezbollah has an extensive network of operatives on American soil and an “ongoing capability to launch terrorist attacks within the US.” This capability would include delivery and use of WMDS in major US cities. According to former Florida Senator Bob Graham of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Hezbollah has 300-400 well-trained and KNOWN terror agents inside the US. Former Deputy Secretary of State Dick Armitage has described Hezbollah as the “A-team” of terrorists, with AlQaeda being on the “B team”. Terrorists at the Gates

Yet in his most recent appearance before Congress, National Intelligence Director, John Negroponte, significantly left out mention of Hezbollah and instead emphasized that the AlQaeda terror network remains the “top concern” of the U.S. intelligence community. He did mention the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea but said that Iran probably does not yet have nuclear weapons, nor the fissile material needed for producing them. Negroponte calls al-Qaeda, Iraq and North Korea top U.S. concerns

Negroponte may have left out mention of Hezbollah because of the political influence of a close Bush family friend and large contributor strongly loyal and representing Hezbollah, namely Lebanese billionaire Issam Fares. Hezbollah has friend close to White House

Fares has very close financial and personal ties to the Bush administration and used his influence to push for the dropping of Hezbollah from the US terrorist list Nov. 10, 2001. Colin Powell and his close benefactor friend, Issam Fares, have called Islamic terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah freedom fighters against Israel. He has paid 4 and 5 figure speaking fees and made very large political donations to HW Bush, former Secretaries of State James Baker and Colin Powell, and other members of the GW Bush administration.

But Fares, the deputy prime minister of Lebanon, is also a close associate of Maj. General Ghazi Kanaan. Kanaan is the head of Syrian intelligence in Lebanon and he controls narcotics production and trafficking in the Bekka Valley where Hezbollah and Syria maintain WMDS from Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Negroponte also avoided publicly presenting the fact that Hezbollah and Iran have had significant access to plutonium (for over two years) and detailed, sophisticated nuclear bomb plans as described by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). See Iran's Plutonium use dates back to 2003 and U.S. fears North Korea-Iran plutonium deal as well as Iran Said to Have Nuclear Warhead plans

Negroponte’s estimate about Iran’s nuclear bomb capabilities may also have been very wrong because Negroponte did not want to reveal that the Bush administration and EU blundered in negotiations with Iran over enriching uranium. See Iranians Retain Plutonium Plan In Nuclear Deal and EU to Iran: Plutonium's OK for Now

The US and EU intentionally and foolishly allowed Iran to continue pursuing its plutonium production and processing capabilities. Along with the bomb plans that Iran is now known to possess, plutonium can be used to build a more powerful lighter, nuclear bomb with less enriched uranium. This means that Iran may now have a nuclear bomb or is much closer to making a nuclear bomb than what Negroponte is publicly saying. Furthermore, a smaller, lighter nuclear warhead made with plutonium would further extend the range of Iran’s ballistic missiles to be able to hit targets in Europe and Israel.

But what is of even more immediate alarm is that Negroponte did not discuss the likelihood that Iran could have given Iranian plutonium to Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists to build very effective, small and well shielded, dirty radiological and toxic bombs to be delivered and detonated in major US cities by well established and long standing KNOWN Hezbollah cells.

If well designed dirty radiological and toxic bombs made with plutonium were detonated (even if dispersed over relatively small areas –a few square blocks, etc) in major US financial, agricultural, energy, water, transportation (ports, roads) or industrial centers or facilities, it would be a crippling blow to the US economy because these centers would not just have to be evacuated, they would have to be abandoned for years until and unless very costly and time consuming cleanup efforts were made.

The bomb grade plutonium 239 and 240 radioisotopes have half-lives of over 24,000 years and 6,500 years respectively. Ingested or inhaled in small quantities (micrograms) plutonium can cause long term and serious organ cancers. In larger quantities (grams) plutonium can not only cause radiation sickness and death, but it is also very chemically toxic. Other radioisotopes of Cesium known to be in the hands of Iran, Syria, AlQaeda and Hezbollah can also be used with plutonium to make deadly and hard to clean up dirty bombs. The fact that plutonium is so hard to clean up and is harmful in such small quantities means that numerous small dirty bombs can be built, shielded, transported and detonated in US cities before detection.

AlQaeda and Hezbollah may also be collaborating to transport and detonate two plutonium-fueled suitcase nukes obtained by AlQaeda and possibly brought into the US. These suitcase nukes can be detonated by a triggering mechanism activated by a clock or by a call from a cell phone.

Intelligence reports based on captured leaders and documents reveal that Al-Qaeda is targeting nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations for attack with suitcase nukes and/or multiple dirty and toxic plutonium type radiological bombs. The FBI has been monitoring radiation levels using CIA developed detection equipment (specifically designed to look for plutonium based nuclear devices) at more than 100 mosques, homes, businesses and other sites in and around at least six of these cities. This is another indication that law enforcement and intelligence agency officials suspect Hezbollah and AlQaeda have brought nuclear or radiological weapons inside the US. Unfortunately, plutonium based dirty radiological bombs can be made transportable and undetectable with shielding and yet powerful enough to be effective especially when multiple ones can be used at the same time. See AMERICAN HIROSHIMA: The search for nukes and How to Listen for the Sound of Plutonium

Every one of the nine US cities mentioned in intelligence reports has a large, strong well-established Hezbollah group sponsored by Iran and Syria, even though not all the cities have an AlQaeda presence.

Hezbollah has had a strong, entrenched organization for over twenty years in most major US and Canadian cities like LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit, New York City, Seattle, Portland, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Washington, D.C, Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Vancouver, etc. Hezbollah has backing and funding from Saudi Wahhabists, Russia and the Communist Chinese. Hezbollah now closely works with Hamas, AlQaeda, and Islamic Jihad terror groups around the world and inside the US.

Saudi radiological bomb expert and terrorist Adnan Shukrijumah and his trainees are still at large and have had the operational support of Hezbollah and AlQaeda cells and Saudi Wahhabbists in these cities as they have moved in and out of the US via Mexico and Canada. Shukrijumah was trained by AlQaeda master bomb maker Abu al-Masri and, like Jose Padilla, was sent into the US by Khalid Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Adnan is also an accomplished pilot and visited the Norman Airman flight school where Khalid Mohammed also sent 9/11 hijackers Mohammed Atta, AlShehhi, AlHazmi, and Moussaoui. It is very likely that Adnan could train Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists in how to transport (even by plane), plant and detonate dirty radiological and suitcase nuke bomb inside US cities.

Bin Laden sought and received a fatwah ruling from Muslim clerics in 2005 for Islamic religious permission to detonate nuclear devices inside the US. The Quran requires bin Laden’s offer of a truce before Bin Laden can carry out the fatwah to use nuclear weapons in the US. To maintain support from more moderate Muslims in the streets around the world, Bin Laden would be more likely to hit a sin city (gays and film industry) like San Francisco that also has a large Jewish population. AlQaeda has also gone back after missed targets like the Trans America Building in San Francisco repeatedly until they succeed, especially since it is a financial center that Laden would want to destroy to bleed the US economy as strongly implied in his last warning tape to America.

Iran and Syria has said that if Israel or the US attacks Iranian or Syrian WMD (nuclear, chemical and/or biological) facilities, Iran and Syria will retaliate against the US. Many have thought the Iranian and Syrian retaliation would be limited to US interests in Iraq, the Middle East and perhaps Europe. What has been publicly overlooked is the fact that Iran and Syria could and would use their international proxy terror organization Hezbollah to launch WMD attacks, chemical, biological and nuclear, against US cities. As demonstrated in this article, Hezbollah has a solid capability to attack US cities with WMDS including suitcase nukes and dirty radiological bombs with or without the participation of AlQaeda. Hezbollah does not need Bin Laden’s fatwah and religious ruling to retaliate against US cities for Iran and Syria but Hezbollah may well receive AlQaeda’s help anyway.

The window of opportunity for the US and Israel to attack Iran’s and Syria’s WMD and nuclear facilities becomes more problematic by August 2006 when the Russians will have completed advanced air defense missile batteries to protect the facilities. Putin’s Plan for Conflict with Iran

There are more than ten major Iranian and Syrian WMD and nuclear facilities that are deep underground and hardened to withstand bombardment. Recall that Syria has agreed to store Iranian WMD and nuclear materials and weapons. It may well take US nuclear bunker busting bombs dropped from Stealth bombers at high altitude to destroy the Iranian and Syrian facilities. The use of US nuclear bunker busting bombs would be a further excuse used by Iran and Syria to justify to Muslims the unleashing of Hezbollah and possibly AlQaeda WMD and nuclear attacks in US cities.

Copyright 2006 by Patrick B. Briley

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#15. To: christine (#13)

"The world will not permit the Iranian regime to gain nuclear weapons."

China just mind lend them a couple to take the USA out in Iraq.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-02-07   21:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

Texas City, here it comes.

(ARG has issued a synthetic terror alert)

:: 4um's 'ARG List' :: Awoken Research Group ::

valis  posted on  2006-02-08   1:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: OKCSubmariner, Zipporah (#0)

According to former Florida Senator Bob Graham of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Hezbollah has 300-400 well-trained and KNOWN terror agents inside the US.

Perhaps the FBI or CIA or somebody like that should ask the KNOWN terror agents to leave.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-02-08   1:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#12)

The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Hezbollah threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities.

The police state CFR and Bush administration are not telling the American people enough about the considerable Isreali threat inside the US that includes delivery of conventional explosives and WMDS inside US cities.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-02-08   2:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

You may very well be on to something here.

What if they do what we least expect, not a false-flag op, but an LIHOP controlled by MIHOPers?

:: 4um's 'ARG List' :: Awoken Research Group ::

valis  posted on  2006-02-08   2:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: OKCSubmariner (#7)

Hezbollah has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda.

Even if that's true, which its not, who's fault is it?

And what are you proposing to do about it--a stronger Deparment of Defense, a beefed up and hyper-funded federal Intelligence network, a third and fourth term for Bush?

You are sending out massively conflcting signals with your alleged anti- Bush/government stance and the call for a stronger Bush/government to deal with the Islam menace.

I like the sentence this way:

Israel has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-02-08   2:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: OKCSubmariner (#7)

I base this on 11 years of personal investigation that has included work with Pentagon and Congressional experts (not loyal to Clinton or Bush), attorneys as well as my own contact with Iranians associated with Hezbollah in the US. Hezbollah has had a considerable presence in OKC for well over 15 years.

Did you guys have any time to consider the effect on the US by the unfettered immigration invasion from the south?

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-02-08   2:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wbales (#17)

Think of the recent statement by Moussawi .. HE is al Qaeda.. now just what could he have meant by that?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-08   4:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: valis (#19)

You may very well be on to something here.

What if they do what we least expect, not a false-flag op, but an LIHOP controlled by MIHOPers?

Again I think of Singh and her words re the muslim brotherhood but also what Edmonds said re 9/11..no muslim names.. but rather American.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-08   4:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: OKCSubmariner, robin, christine, wbales, tom007, Itisa1mosttoolate, valis, lodwick, Zipporah (#4)

.....It is almost as if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks.....

  ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period.

  Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-02-08   6:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Kamala (#24)

ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period.

Mark

Read this article.. this addresses what is happening re the 'clash of the civilizations' and the muslim threat:

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18985&Disp=0

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-08   6:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: valis, OKCSubmariner, All (#16)

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

New York City, New York

Texas City, Texas

DUH!

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-02-08   7:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#26)

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

New York City, New York

Texas City, Texas

DUH!

heads up! I never noticed the first two that way.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-08   9:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Kamala, OKCSubmariner (#24)

.....It is almost as if the Bush administration is involved in terror blackmail and permitting situations to lead to terror attacks.....

ALMOST!!! I like you, you have put together some great stuff, but this "Muslums are going to get us stuff" is bullshit. Now its Iran? You dropped a post not to long ago along these lines, and no one here agreed. If there is an attack here, it will be funded, guided, protected by our government. Period.

Mark

Believing the govt ALLOWED the attacks is a first step. The next step is realizing that certain elements within this administration CAUSED them.

The pieces of the puzzle do not come together until you look through the prism in this way. It's a horrific thought, the mind rejects it at first. But eventually, if the events & people involved are looked at objectively and logically, this is the evil picture that falls into place. And then successive events are seen more clearly.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-08   9:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz (#19)

valis, Thanks for your comments. I respect your opinion.

I am NOT complimentary of the Bush administration in this article. I am not even advocating the US attack Iran. My intent is to warn the public of distinct possibilites of what could happen especailly with Hezbollah inside the US if Iran is or is not attacked. I do not believe Bush and CO are doing the right things to protect or forewarn the public about Hezbollah. I think the public can protect itself better by greater awareness of Hezbollah and being alert and not depending on Bush.

As I see it, Bush and real terrorists are both serious threats to America. Bush may have allowed terrorists to succeed and Bush may even have helped some terrorists, but Hezbollah terrorists are real and a threat in their own right.

Taking known Hezbollah and AlQaeda terrorists off US streets would be a great step, but one Bush, the FBI, CIA and Negroponte are intentioanlly not doing.

I am going to at least warn the public about Hezbollah even if I cannot do anything else to stop them or prevent Bush deliberate failures.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-08   13:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz (#29)

Quote by Dr. Walid Phares, a Professor of Middle East Studies and Senior Fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (author of book "Perfect Soldiers" ):

For if US airpower bombs any target inside Iran, Hizbollah will bomb US cities with all their hidden power. So, in short, the long arm of the Iranian regime -the terrorist networks- must be dealt with either before, or during a potential campaign [against targets inside Iran] But, if one observes the state of affairs of Hizbollah today in Lebanon, you'd conclude that its policies are all guided towards aborting all US policies. They know the confrontation is coming, and are preparing for it, ahead of time."

Above statement made at Symposium: The Showdown [with Iran]

by Jamie Glazov

http://FrontPageMagazine.com

July 29, 2005

This quote can be found at http://www.danielpipes.org/articl e/2814

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-08   14:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: OKCSubmariner (#30)

Front Page Magazine and Daniel PIPES?? I'd suggest you read the following:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18840 RE Pipes..including the comments..

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18832

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-08   14:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Zipporah, valis (#31)

I know about Pipes and Front Page.

But have you read Walid Pharees book, Perfect Soldiers? and have you looked at his quotes at the link I gave?

FACT: Well organized and well trained Hezbollah terrorists are real and they are inside the US capable of delivering conventional explosives and WMDS.

No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-08   15:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)

No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact.

IMO Frontpage and Pipes are not good sources.. absolute propaganda and disinformation.

And if in fact they are in this country, it's more of the same..and if so, they're.. part of the same group that Indira Singh has mentioned..lined with the muslim brotherhood and CARE.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-08   15:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)

FACT: Well organized and well trained Hezbollah terrorists are real and they are inside the US capable of delivering conventional explosives and WMDS.

No amount of failures by Bush, the neocons, or criticims of Pipes, Phares, Tenet, Negroponte, Isreal, Jews alters this indesputable fact.

The potential for Arab terrorists has been well publicized. And if the govt was seriously concerned they would secure the open border.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-08   15:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: robin (#34)

And if the govt was seriously concerned they would secure the open border.

Yep, that is the rub.

The gov should be concerned and they are not. The threat of terrorists inside the US already here and coming across our borders with WMDS and explosives is real regardless of what Bush, Chertoff, Negroponte say , do, don't say or dont' do.

It is not their country, it is your and my country. I am going to warn the public about this even if I get criticized for it. Believe me, I have no respect for Bush, Negroponte. Goss, Chertoff's plans or agendas. But I do care about saving lives and empowering people with information they need that is being withheld from them by Bush and CO.

By their intentionally allowing known Hamas, AlQaeda, Hezbollah, Islmaic Jihad to roam in the US,we are being used as bait and being set up for the next terror attack so they can set up martial law and world government

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-08   15:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: OKCSubmariner (#35)

It is not their country, it is your and my country. I am going to warn the public about this even if I get criticized for it. Believe me, I have no respect for Bush, Negroponte. Goss, Chertoff's plans or agendas. But I do care about saving lives and empowering people with information they need that is being withheld from them by Bush and CO.

By their intentionally allowing known Hamas, AlQaeda, Hezbollah, Islmaic Jihad to roam in the US,we are being used as bait and being set up for the next terror attack so they can set up martial law and world government

I can certainly agree with you that they are going to use the next terror attack to set up martial law and world government. I just don't think they will sit idly by and wait for it to happen, I think they will orchestrate it. Neither of us can absolutely prove our different opinions. We do agree that the govt will use the end result to our nation's detriment and their own agenda.

Mr Rumsfeld said the emergence of populist leaders through elections in Latin American was "worrisome".

robin  posted on  2006-02-08   15:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz, Sparker (#30)

Excerpts from article below "US fuels Iran's nuclear policy":

"... a declassified letter from the CIA to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Bob Graham on April 8, 2002, alluded to the linkage between Iranian perceptions of threats and its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

The letter stated, "There appears to be broad consensus among Iranians that they live in a highly dangerous region and face serious external threats to their government, prompting us to assess that Tehran will pursue missile and WMD [weapons of mass destruction] technologies indefinitely as critical means of national security."

The letter then suggested that the external threats were focused largely on the US, adding that "persistent suspicion of US motives will help preserve the broad consensus among Iran's political elite and public for the pursuit of missile and WMD technologies as a matter of critical national security".

Pillar said one of the things analysts have taken into account is Iran's May 2003 proposal to the Bush administration to negotiate on its nuclear option and its relationship with HEZBOLLAH..."

The article below does highlight Iran’s WMD and nuclear activities and connections with Hezbollah even though I do not agree with the slant of the article -Iran would develop nuclear and WMD capability and use Hezbollah anyway regardless of what the US did or did not do (But even if Bush is deliberately provoking Iran, we citizens still face teh possibility of Hezbollah attacks inside the US):

US fuels Iran's nuclear policy

Source: Asia Times

URL Source: http://www.atimes. com/atimes/Middle_East/HB09Ak02.html

Published: Feb 8, 2006

Author: Gareth Porter

US fuels Iran's nuclear policy

By Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - The George W Bush administration's adoption of a policy of threatening to use military force against Iran disregarded a series of official intelligence estimates going back many years that consistently judged Iran's fear of a US attack to be a major motivating factor in its pursuit of a nuclear program, and potentially nuclear weapons.

Two former Central Intelligence Agency officials who were directly involved in producing CIA estimates on Iran revealed in separate

interviews that the National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) on Iran have consistently portrayed its concerns about the military threat posed by the United States as a central consideration in Tehran's nuclear policy.

Paul Pillar, who managed the writing of all NIEs on Iran from 2000 to 2005 as the national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia, said that all the NIEs on Iran during that period addressed the Iranian fears of US attack explicitly and related their desire to be at least on the early path to possibly developing nuclear weapons.

"Iranian perceptions of threat, especially from the United States and Israel, were not the only factor," Pillar said, "but were in our judgment part of what drove whatever effort they were making to build nuclear weapons."

Pillar said the dominant view of the intelligence community in the past three years has been that Iran would seek a nuclear-weapons capability, but analysts have also considered that a willingness on the part of Washington to reassure Iran on its security fears would have a significant effect on Iranian policy.

Pillar said one of the things analysts have taken into account is Iran's May 2003 proposal to the Bush administration to negotiate on its nuclear option and its relationship with Hezbollah and other anti-Israel groups as well as its own security concerns.

"It was seen as an indicator of Iran's willingness to engage," he said.

A second theme in the NIEs, alongside the emphasis on Iranian fears of US military intentions, was Iran's aspiration to be the "dominant regional superpower" in the Persian Gulf.

However, the estimates suggested that the Iranian regime would not pursue that aspiration through means that would jeopardize the possibility of a relationship with the US.

Ellen Laipson, now president of the Henry L Stimson Center in Washington, managed three or four NIEs on Iran as national intelligence officer for the Near East from 1990 to 1993, and closely followed others as vice chair of the National Intelligence Council from 1997 to 2002.

She said the Iranian fear of an attack by the US had long been "a standard element" in NIEs on Iran.

Laipson said she was "virtually certain the estimates linked Iran's threat perceptions to its nuclear program". She added, however, that she was not directly involved in preparation of NIEs that focused exclusively on Iran's nuclear program, as distinct from overall assessments of Iranian intentions and capabilities.

Laipson said the intelligence analysts had a "fairly consistent understanding" of Iranian perceptions of threat. "We could tell they were afraid of the US both from their behavior and from their public statements," Laipson recalled. The acuteness of those Iranian fears of US attack fluctuated over time, she said, in response to different developments.

The 1991 Gulf War, in which US forces destroyed most of the Iraqi army, caused the Iranians to become much more concerned about US military intentions, according to some scholarly analyses of Iranian thinking, because of the awareness that the same thing could happen to Iran.

The aggressive stance of the Bush administration toward Iran again increased Iranian fears of a US attack. In early 2002, a secret Pentagon report to Congress on its "Nuclear Posture Review" named Iran as one of seven countries against which nuclear weapons might be used "in the event of surprising military developments". The report was obtained by defense analyst William Arkin, who revealed its contents in the Los Angeles Times on January 26, 2002.

Five days later, Bush referred to Iran in his State of the Union address as being part of an "axis of evil", along with Iraq and North Korea. "By seeking weapons of mass destruction," he said, "these regimes pose a grave and growing danger."

Although it did not refer directly to fears of the US, a declassified letter from the CIA to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Bob Graham on April 8, 2002, alluded to the linkage between Iranian perceptions of threats and its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

The letter stated, "There appears to be broad consensus among Iranians that they live in a highly dangerous region and face serious external threats to their government, prompting us to assess that Tehran will pursue missile and WMD [weapons of mass destruction] technologies indefinitely as critical means of national security."

The letter then suggested that the external threats were focused largely on the US, adding that "persistent suspicion of US motives will help preserve the broad consensus among Iran's political elite and public for the pursuit of missile and WMD technologies as a matter of critical national security".

After the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a spokesman for the Iranian government stated that, in a "unipolar world", Iran had to have policy that would avoid war with the US.

That preoccupation with averting a US attack cut both ways: it forced the Iranian leaders to seek a political-diplomatic accommodation with the US, as illustrated by its cooperation with the US in Afghanistan after the events of September 11, 2001, and its offer of broad negotiations on all major issues between the two countries in 2003. But when the US failed to respond to those efforts, it also strengthened the argument for pressing ahead with a nuclear program.

Gareth Porter is a historian and national-security policy analyst. His latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published last June

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-08   17:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Zipporah (#31)

  These guys are pure pro Israel PNAC boys. "Perfect Soldiers" is I think written by Terry McDerrmit(SP), a paid, in my opinion, government writer.

  You are right on Zipporah, not only those links expose what is going on, but I think we have posted a couple other articles as well.

   Those "sources" like Daniel Pipes, are bad. If one really wants to link to some neo con view, how about James Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran". This guy has Zionism shooting out of hs ears.

  Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-02-09   5:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: OKCSubmariner (#32)

...But have you read Walid Pharees book, Perfect Soldiers? and have you looked at his quotes

  Terry McDerrmit is a paid government spin artist. This guy said on CSPAN that the put options prior to 911 was an urban myth.

  Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-02-09   5:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Kamala (#38)

These guys are pure pro Israel PNAC boys. "Perfect Soldiers" is I think written by Terry McDerrmit(SP), a paid, in my opinion, government writer.

You are right on Zipporah, not only those links expose what is going on, but I think we have posted a couple other articles as well.

Those "sources" like Daniel Pipes, are bad. If one really wants to link to some neo con view, how about James Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran". This guy has Zionism shooting out of hs ears.

I say look at the facts and the truth and be ready to accept it and be willing to change your world view. That is exactly what I had to do.. some want to take their world view and filter facts thru it.. rather than vice versa.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-09   10:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

Local radio has been playing feeds from North American (read: US) clerics calling for an end to the Muslim violence and protests, saying this is not the honorable path. I have suspected there is a divide between Eastern and Western Islam, much like Eastern (Orthodox, Coptic, etc) and Western (Rome, Protestants) Christianity. The Western branch of Islam, I think, tends to be more liberal, open, peaceful, live and let live. They have grown up under a culture and society that allows people to worship as they see fit. Eastern Islam, I doubt has really ever known this. My hope is the Western clerics who appear to be more liberal, will win out. We need them to.

One cannot deny the violent past and present of Islam. Constantinople can testify to this. This is the delima. We know and are aware of Islam's violent tendencies: to pillage, enslave, kill. We also know this is a faith and a practice of faith. We cannot simply outlaw the practice of Islam here in the US, nor can we just deport all Muslims. We know we may very well face the same problems Europe is now at some point down the road. Somehow, we need to figure out a way for Islam to practice here in the US without violent consequences that follow.

The other thing that bothers me is our media, both conservative and liberal, and to a lesser extent what has been coming out of Washington. Fox, Hannity, Rush, Savage, et al, exploit Islam's violent past to whip their masses into a frenzy thinking that we need to nuke Mecca and kill every Muslim. They whip us up into an incredible fear and paranoia of the Muslim. The liberal media downplays Islam's violent past and tells us in absolute terms that Islam is a religion of peace and we should not have much concern over the Muslim. The Administration tells us we are not a war with Islam. We are at war with terrorists who happen to be in Muslim countries and they rattle off nation after nation that "needs" democratic reform. Pat- you and I can logically conclude that not all Muslims are terrorists. But you and I have also listened to a lot of radio and know that a surprising amount of people don't reach that conclusion. Afterall, Administration mouthpiece after mouthpiece has talked about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and the list goes on- all predominate Muslim. After all a while, people begin to think all Muslims are terrorists, or at least, terrorists in waiting.

This is why I am coming to the belief that we really need the liberal Western clerics to prevail.

scooter  posted on  2006-02-09   13:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#5)

Eeeeek!

Heebzbullshit.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-02-09   13:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz, Sparker, scooter (#37)

The Hezbollah international terror group leader, Hasan Nasrallah, made a speech on Hezbollah’s Al Manar Television immediately after 9/11 warning that America's day of judgment would come.

Hezbollah Leader [Nasrallah] to Bush: 'Shut Up'

By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 22 minutes ago

h ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings_145

BEIRUT, Lebanon - The leader of Hezbollah, heading a march by hundreds of thousands of Shiite Muslims Thursday, said President Bush and his secretary of state should "shut up" after they accused Syria and Iran of fueling protests over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Denmark, meanwhile, said it had temporarily closed its diplomatic mission in Beirut, which was burned by protesters Sunday, and all staff had left Lebanon.

Danes feared religious processions in Muslim countries Thursday to mark the Shiite festival of Ashoura would spill over into violence against its diplomats and soldiers after days of protests over the caricatures, which were first published in a Danish newspaper in September.

About 2,000 hard-line Muslims also rallied and burned a Danish flag Thursday in the Bangladeshi capital of Dhaka.

In Beirut, Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan NASRALLAH urged Muslims worldwide to keep demonstrating until there is an apology over the drawings and Europe passes laws forbidding insults to the prophet.

The head of the guerrilla group, which is backed by IRAN and SYRIA, spoke before a mass Ashoura procession. Whipping up the crowds on the most solemn day for Shiites worldwide, Nasrallah declared:

"Defending the prophet should continue all over the world. Let Condoleezza Rice and Bush and all the tyrants shut up. We are an Islamic nation that cannot tolerate, be silent or be lax when they insult our prophet and sanctities."

"We will uphold the messenger of God not only by our voices but also by our blood," he told the crowds, estimated by organizers at about 700,000. Police had no final estimates but said the figure was likely to be even higher.

Speaking about the controversy for the first time on Wednesday, Bush condemned the deadly rioting sparked by the cartoons and urged foreign leaders to halt the spreading violence. Rice said Iran and Syria "have gone out of their way to inflame sentiments and to use this to their own purposes. And the world ought to call them on it."

Iran has rejected the U.S. accusations. Syria has not commented publicly.

In protests throughout the Muslim world, demonstrators who saw the drawings as deeply insulting to Islam have attacked embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran and rioted in Afghanistan. Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the prophet.

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish paper that first published the drawings, apologized last week for offending Muslims but stood by its decision to print the cartoons, citing freedom of speech.

Other European publications recently reprinted the drawings, which included an image of Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped with a burning fuse, in a show of solidarity.

Denmark's government has said it could not apologize over a newspaper's publication.

In Brussels, Belgium, Mohamed Ahmed Sherif, chairman of the Libyan-based World Islamic Call Society, said Muslims see the drawings as a direct attack on their values and called the decision to print them in European newspapers a "hate program."

Sherif, speaking during a visit Brussels where he met European Union officials, said the cartoons only serve to fuel extremism.

"Nobody should blame the Muslims if they are unhappy about the images of the Prophet Muhammad," Sherif said. "It's forbidden to create a hate program to show that the prophet is a terrorist while he's not. Don't ask us to try to make people understand that this is not a campaign of hate."

Nasrallah, a black-turbaned, bearded cleric, demanded an apology for the cartoons and laws to prevent a repetition.

"There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries," he said.

Islamic nations should demand "a law committing the press and the media in the West that proscribes insulting our prophet. If this matter cannot be achieved that means they (West) insist on continuing this," he added.

Nasrallah said that if the controversy touched on Jews or Israel the West would have reacted differently and quickly.

In Denmark, the Danish Broadcasting Corp., or DR, said its journalists in Beirut had been warned to stay away from the Shiite Ashoura ceremonies. "It has become more difficult to be a Danish reporter in the Middle East," Lisbet Knudsen, head of DR's news desk said.

The Bangladeshi protesters — most members of the hard-line group, Islamic Constitution Movement — marched through the streets outside the country's main mosque in downtown Dhaka shouting, "Down with Islam's Enemies!" police said.

"We can't tolerate such disrespect to our prophet. It's a shameful act. We condemn it," A.T.M. Hemayetuddin, a movement leader, told supporters.

In the capital of Indian-controlled Kashmir, about 200 people turned an Islamic procession into a protest against the prophet drawings, shouting "Down with Denmark" and "Down with Israel." Senior Superintendent of Police Muneer Khan said 25 people were arrested as police beat back angry demonstrators.

Malaysia's government Thursday indefinitely shut down a local newspaper for reprinting one of the drawings.

___

Associated Press reporters Julhas Alamm in Dhaka, Bangladesh; Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark; Mujtaba Ali Ahmad in Srinigar, India and Eileen Ng in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia contributed to this report.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-09   13:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: OKCSubmariner (#43)

The clash of civilizations is playing out as planned. They cannot have a one world government, without a universal religion. Muslims need not apply – they’re going with the Judeo-Christian amalgamation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-02-09   14:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: valis, robin, christine, Neil McIver, Uncle Bill, swarthyguy, Fred Mertz, Sparker, scooter (#43)

Quote from another poster on another site:

What I find facinating is how many posters seem to think a "WMD" can't be manufactured HERE, using the Farm Supply store.

OKCSUB:

...and using medical radiological wastes and stolen "materials"....

...and manufactured here using materials brought in from outside the US. These are called "small footprint" WMD materials that can be reconsituted, reassembled or used in combination. It is what Russia, China, Cuba, Syria, Iran and Iraq have been working on for years for use by Hezbollah and AlQaeda. When HAMBALI was finally captured in Thailand, he was caught having set up a small lab reconstituting , reassembling small footprint WMDS.

Bush Says Cooperation Thwarted 2002 Attack [HAMBALI]

EXCERPTS from article below:

"Bush said only that "subsequent debriefings and other intelligence operations" after the arrest of the unnamed operative led to information about the plot, and to the capture of other ringleaders and operatives involved in it. HAMBALI, for instance, was captured in Thailand in 2003 and handed over to the United States."

He said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who was captured in 2003, had already begun planning the West Coast operation in October, just after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. One of Mohammed's key planners was HAMBALI, the alleged operations chief of the al-Qaida related terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah. Instead of recruiting Arab hijackers, Hambali found Southeast Asian men who would be less likely to arouse suspicion and who were sent to meet with Osama bin Laden, Bush said.

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 44 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo .com/s/ap/20060209/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

WASHINGTON - President Bush said the U.S.-led global war on terror has "weakened and fractured" al-Qaida and allied groups, outlining as proof new details about the multinational cooperation that foiled purported terrorist plans to fly a commercial airplane into the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast.

"The terrorists are living under constant pressure and this adds to our security," Bush said. "When terrorists spend their days working to avoid death or capture, it's harder for them to plan and execute new attacks on our country. By striking the terrorists where they live, we're protecting the American homeland."

But the president said the anti-terror battle is far from over.

"The terrorists are weakened and fractured, yet they're still lethal," the president said in a speech at the National Guard Memorial Building. "We cannot let the fact that America hasn't been attacked in 41/2 years since September the 11th lull us into the illusion that the threats to our nation have disappeared. They have not."

Bush has referred to the 2002 plot before. In an address last October, he said the United States and its allies had foiled at least 10 serious plots by the al-Qaida terror network in the last four years, including plans for Sept. 11-like attacks on both U.S. coasts. The White House initially would not give details of the plots but later released a fact sheet with a brief, and vague, description of each.

The president filled in details on Thursday.

He said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who was captured in 2003, had already begun planning the West Coast operation in October, just after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. One of Mohammed's key planners was HAMBALI, the alleged operations chief of the al-Qaida related terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah. Instead of recruiting Arab hijackers, Hambali found Southeast Asian men who would be less likely to arouse suspicion and who were sent to meet with Osama bin Laden, Bush said.

Under the plot, the hijackers were to use shoe bombs to blow open the cockpit door of a commercial jetliner, take control of the plane and crash it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles, since renamed the US Bank Tower, Bush said. In his remarks, Bush inadvertantly referred to the site as "Liberty Tower," and immediately afterward, the White House corrected him.

The president said the plot was derailed when a Southeast Asian nation arrested a key al-Qaida operative. Bush did not name the country or the operative.

Bush has been on a campaign to defend his controversial domestic monitoring program. But the White House would not say whether the 2002 plot was thwarted as a result of the National Security Agency program to eavesdrop on the international e-mails and phone calls of people inside the United States with suspected ties to terrorists.

Bush said only that "subsequent debriefings and other intelligence operations" after the arrest of the unnamed operative led to information about the plot, and to the capture of other ringleaders and operatives involved in it. Hambali, for instance, was captured in Thailand in 2003 and handed over to the United States.

"It took the combined efforts of several countries to break up this plot," the president said. "By working together, we took dangerous terrorists off the streets. By working together, we stopped a catastrophic attack on our homeland."

Bush's speech in October cited two other attacks inside the United States that were foiled, including one to use hijacked planes to attack the East Coast in mid-2003.

The third was the case of Jose Padilla, a former Chicago gang member who converted to Islam and allegedly plotted with top al-Qaida commanders to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in a U.S. city. Padilla, whose plot never materialized, now is being held without bail in civilian custody on charges that he was part of a secret network that supported Muslim terrorists. He was arrested in May 2002 and had been held as an enemy combatant without criminal charge at a Navy brig in South Carolina until last month.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2006-02-09   14:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: OKCSubmariner (#45)

The problem here Pat, is that there is so much disinfo on this thread, that the point you are trying to make will undoubtedly be lost at this 'market'.

If perhaps your target audience was the MSM, I could understand this approach, although you would run the risk of also being blown off by them as a 'fear- mongerer' not unlike FedGov itself.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath and ask yourself who exactly you are trying to warn, and formulate a new strategy. You are undertaking a very noble mission, but IMO not very effectively.

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valis  posted on  2006-02-09   18:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: valis (#46)

so much disinfo on this thread

What in your opinion is disinfo on this thread?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-09   18:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Zipporah (#47)

What in your opinion is disinfo on this thread?

Where to begin...I'll go backwards:

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valis  posted on  2006-02-09   18:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: valis (#48)

Right.. what you cited was the way my posts were headed.. *only you said them in fewer words and more clearly :P *.. on the kiran.. it's not different than the bible.. on nukes although try to tell that to the dispensationalists..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-09   19:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Zipporah (#49)

  Hey, Zip, check this link out.

http://www.danielpipes.org/

   Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-02-09   20:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Kamala (#50)

I guess people DO read 4! LOL

Zipporah  posted on  2006-02-09   20:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: valis (#46)

  Agree totally. Do I believe that there are "cells" in the US? Yes. Are they independent of our intellengence handlers? NO. I believe a cell is being groomed at OKU, and has something to do with Boren. Webster Tarpley was on AJ`s show, last week and stated that he thought the college campus areas were being targeted.

  Mark

Kamala  posted on  2006-02-09   20:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: wbales (#20)

Israel has a far greater and well established presence and capability inside the US than AlQaeda.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

Military and intelligence presence for sure.

tom007  posted on  2006-02-09   20:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Kamala (#52)

Having the rent receipts to prove it, the federal government knows there are Hezzbollah terror agents residing in the United States.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-02-09   20:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Kamala (#52)

Do I believe that there are "cells" in the US? Yes. Are they independent of our intellengence handlers? NO.

There are too many variables to control otherwise: Will they hit an 'unapproved' target? Will they do f-it up somehow? Will they do something stupid and get caught?

These are calculated operations with not much room for error.

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valis  posted on  2006-02-09   20:31:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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