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Title: How to Avoid Ammo Nightmares Like These
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URL Source: http://gunsandrifles.com/2016/03/avoid-disaster-know-your-caliber/
Published: Apr 19, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2016-04-19 19:21:37 by BTP Holdings
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Views: 200
Comments: 12

How to Avoid Ammo Nightmares Like These

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There were many times as in my career at a busy gun range, that the staff and I dealt with brand new gun owners. Most of the time, things worked out fine and the new shooters had a safe and fun experience. There were some however, that made us all .. concerned. If you are new to the shooting sports, please- for your safety and those around you, take an introductory class at the very least. If you live in a state where training is mandatory, please pay close attention to the instructor. Read the owner’s manual that comes with your firearm. (If your firearm was either a gift or purchased used, and a manual did not come with it, you can contact the manufacturer and request a manual.)

Two incidents come to mind describing the importance of knowing your gun.

The first incident was over the fact that .22LONG and .22LR are NOT the same round, and yes .22LONG would be the absolute incorrect ammunition to run through this shooters gun. Due to the variety of .22 caliber rounds available, staff was trained to verify what round for which gun. This verification process highly irritated the customer, and what should have been a simple process was a lengthy, frustrating exercise that resulted in the shooter being put in her place and the staff member having to walk away to discuss the situation with the Range Master. Moral of this story is two-fold. One, shooting the improper caliber will damage your firearm and potentially hurt you. Two, irritating range staff with an extremely bad attitude and poor safety practices will result in your being excused from the range.

The other incident was with a gentleman who had purchased a revolver for home defense. When customers come to a gun shop, they expect to be dealing with knowledgeable professionals, who will help find the right gun for their situation. Unfortunately, this gentleman met with a charlatan who sold him the incorrect gun for the job, at an inflated price. On the customer side, this gentleman did not read the owners manual, nor did he do any research into proper ammunition for this firearm. When he got to the range, he requested .45ACP. He fired one round through the gun, came out to the counter and requested assistance for a jam, and it was at this time the staff discovered he needed an entirely different caliber for this firearm (.45 Long Colt). Moral of this story: do your research and take some time to learn. Understand the differences in caliber, and know what caliber you need.

In either of the above mentioned situations, had the owner needed their gun in a defensive situation, the improper ammunition would have rendered them defenseless at the best, injured from a serious malfunction at the worst. (Aside from what a potential aggressor may inflict upon them.) You’ve GOT to know the proper caliber for your gun, in order for you to be safe and effective.


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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Anyone too stupid to know this should own no more than a BB gun.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-04-19   19:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

Anyone too stupid to know this should own no more than a BB gun.

I used to own a .45 LC Derringer. You could swap out a .410 shot shell for the .45. I had some rounds with 000 Buck in them. That would ruin any bad guy's day for sure. I sold it back to the guy I bought it from. He said he was going to have it gold plated and mounted. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-04-19   20:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

I knew a guy that bought a 44 revolver for a very reasonable price. He stopped on his way home that night and bought some 44 mag rounds to try on his new gun. They didn't fit and I bought both from him even cheaper. I now own the 44 Special and love it. Just had to take his rounds apart, resize them and reload.

Hunter53  posted on  2016-04-19   20:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hunter53 (#3)

Gosh, he sure did not know exactly what he bought. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-04-19   20:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

You can shoot .45 ACP ammo in a .45 Colt Revolver with the use of half moon clips. (.45 ACP has a rebated rim and head spaces on the lip of the brass.) And, .44 Mag won't chamber in a .44 Spl because the case is about 1/10th of an inch too long to chamber. (Same with .357 Mag in a .38 Spl)

But, chambering .22 short, long or long rifle in a .22 mag chamber (which is bigger in diameter than the first three) will result in the cases rupturing and gas and brass splinters escaping at high speed. And that is dangerous.

"A noble spirit embiggens even the littlest man."___ Lisa Simpson

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-04-19   22:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

Was fine by me. I bought a S&W model 629 stainless 44 special for $150.00

Hunter53  posted on  2016-04-19   22:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Hunter53, 4 (#3)

I have only pity for these boneheads.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-04-19   22:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hunter53 (#6)

Was fine by me. I bought a S&W model 629 stainless 44 special for $150.00

Outstanding! And stainless steel to top it all off!

I always carried Buffalo Bore .44 Spls in my (blue steel) Mod 29 anyway, because the muzzle blast of mag loads from a 4" bbl is described as, "the gun that kills at both ends." The Buffalo Bore .44 Spl ammo was rated for game animals up to 500 lbs, and if I had ever fired a mag load (.357 or .44) in an elevator or confined space the concussion would likely knock everyone unconscious, and if I didn't wake up first it could be big trubbell in Little Africa!

Also, the hearing loss would be forever.

The exception to .44 Spl ammo would be if I carried the revolver in Alaska or even Yellowstone, as anti black or griz medicine. Although I'd probably opt for an alloy receiver Mossberg 12 ga with Brenneke slugs. They may rattle the fillings outta my teeth but that hard alloy delivers reliable penetration on toothy, fangy, heavy boned critters.

My all steel 11-87 Remington autoloader handled slugs well and dampened recoil somewhat, but after an hour I would wish I had a wheelbarrow to roll it around.

"A noble spirit embiggens even the littlest man."___ Lisa Simpson

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-04-19   23:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8)

I really like my reloads. I use Hornady 240 Gr HPXTP with H110 powder. H110 isn't really set in my reloading manual for 44spc but I have a lot of it and like the way it shoots.

Hunter53  posted on  2016-04-19   23:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#7)

I have only pity for these boneheads.

Back in '75 I tried in vain to explain to a guy that his top break .38 S&W was not a .38 Spl, but that it was chambered for the original .38 short caliber from 100 years ago. But "some gun shop guy" told him that the manufacturer was prolly "honoring Smith & Wesson" (hah!) by putting their name on the barrel, and he refused to believe that it was the caliber of the two dollar revolver he recently purchased. (The 1929 Sears Catalog even listed the popular Iver Johnson "Owlhead" for about $2.50)

I told the stubborn fool that the spl is actually named ".38 S&W Spl" but Smith's competitors often labeled it simply, ".38 Special". They certainly never stamped a Spl as a ".38 S&W".

And anyone who knows guns knows that manufacturers do anything possible to avoid "honoring" another manufacturer, lest customers opt for the parent gun to match the ammo. ("Do you have a S&W gun to go with this S&W ammo instead of this thing?")

I told him that some gun shop guys don't know their asses from a rubber doughnut, but he refused to believe that I knew of what I spoke.

"A noble spirit embiggens even the littlest man."___ Lisa Simpson

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-04-19   23:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Hunter53 (#9)

H110 isn't really set in my reloading manual for 44spc but I have a lot of it and like the way it shoots.

Does it fill the case adequately to assure uniform ignition? Light powder loads can lay sideways in the case and cause unpredictable ignition when the primer touches off the main charge.

Although you may already know this, if there's too much air space then a one inch square of tissue paper tamped over the powder (with a pencil) will keep it against the primer flash hole and guarantee satisfactory results every shot. And the tissue is consumed completely, of course.

"A noble spirit embiggens even the littlest man."___ Lisa Simpson

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-04-19   23:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

I've got a WWII S&W Victory revolver that shoots .38 S&W. It's an old blackpowder cowboy caliber from around 1874 and development on the cartridge ended in the 1890's when it went smokeless. Remington still makes the ammo and it's kinda fun to shoot only because it's such a mild cartridge.

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X-15  posted on  2016-04-20   0:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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