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Title: Free will could all be an illusion, scientists suggest after study shows choice may just be brain tricking itself
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URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s ... ce-could-just-be-a7008181.html
Published: May 1, 2016
Author: Andrew Griffin
Post Date: 2016-05-01 10:17:20 by Ada
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Views: 68
Comments: 12

Research adds to evidence suggesting 'even our most seemingly ironclad beliefs about our own agency and conscious experience can be dead wrong'

A woman looks at a human brain at an exhibition in Bristol Matt Cardy/Getty Images

Free will might be an illusion created by our brains, scientists might have proved.

Humans are convinced that they make conscious choices as they live their lives. But instead it may be that the brain just convinces itself that it made a free choice from the available options after the decision is made.

The idea was tested out by tricking subjects into believing that they had made a choice before the consequences of that choice could actually be seen. In the test, people were made to believe that they had taken a decision using free will – even though that was impossible.

The idea that human beings trick themselves into believing in free will was laid out in a paper by psychologists Dan Wegner and Thalia Wheatley nearly 20 years ago. They proposed the feeling of wanting to do something was real, but there may be no connection between the feeling and actually doing it. Science news in pictures

The new study builds on that work and says that the brain rewrites history when it makes its choices, changing our memories so that we believe we wanted to do something before it happened.

In one of the studies undertaken by Adam Bear and Paul Bloom, of Princeton University, the test subjects were shown five white circles on a computer monitor. They were told to choose one of the circles before one of them lit up red.

The participants were then asked to describe whether they’d picked the correct circle, another one, or if they hadn’t had time to actually pick one.

Statistically, people should have picked the right circle about one out of every five times. But they reported getting it right much more than 20 per cent of the time, going over 30 per cent if the circle turned red very quickly.

The scientists suggest that the findings show that the test subjects’ minds were swapping around the order of events, so that it appeared that they had chosen the right circle – even if they hadn’t actually had time to do so. Brain scanning explained

Human brain 'may be designed to give us hallucinations'

The idea of free will may have arisen because it is a useful thing to have, giving people a feeling of control over their lives and allowing for people to be punished for wrongdoing.

But that same feeling can go awry, the scientists wrote in the Scientific American magazine. It may be important for people to feel they are control of their lives, for instance, but distortions in that same process might make people feel that they have control over external processes like the weather.

The scientists cautioned that the illusion of choice might only apply to choices that are made quickly and without too much thought. But it might also be “pervasive and ubiquitous — governing all aspects of our behaviour, from our most minute to our most important decisions”.

“Whatever the case may be,” they write, “our studies add to a growing body of work suggesting that even our most seemingly ironclad beliefs about our own agency and conscious experience can be dead wrong.”

The work is published in the journal Psychological Science.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Never trust your brain. Your life depends on it.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-05-01   10:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Obnoxicated (#1)

Never trust your brain. Your life depends on it.

The brain can be fooled. No doubt about it. Never rely on your senses unless you are absolutely sure about your surroundings and have the upper hand in the situation. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-01   10:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Obnoxicated (#1)

So you would go with gut feeling?

Ada  posted on  2016-05-01   10:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada, Cynicom, BTP Holdings (#3)

Heck, I don't know. I'm just funnin' with Cynicom's "never trust a russian" concept. Actually, I think the article's interesting, but also a classic case of some eggheads getting together and over-thinking the subject.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-05-01   11:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Obnoxicated (#4)

I think the article's interesting, but also a classic case of some eggheads getting together and over-thinking the subject.

And, they get paid for this nonsense.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-05-01   11:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ada, lod, obnoxicated (#0)

the article and study are absolute garbage. God created mankind and gave humans free will, because God is a loving and just God, not a dictator. It's really that simple.

[Edit: In a much more dignified and eloquent way than i can, Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen discusses atheism, human freedom, and why God allows evil in the world.

Bishop Sheen is one of my all time favorite teachers and even though he died when i was a kid, i grew up hearing his stuff. - books, cassettes, dvds, etc. My dad's library has his whole collection. Sheen was a staunch anti-communist.

ALSO: Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen on 'False Compassion': Ditch The Child labor Laws! In this classic talk from Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen in the 1950s, the bishop gives a riveting and entertaining talk about what ills society. He notes the disturbing trend in which society seems to have become more compassionate to the muggers than the mugged, to the rapists than to the rape victim, to the murderer than to the murdered. Sheen correctly predicts that "there is latent in our society a grave danger that we may go in for a kind of masochism and cruelty."

Towards the end of the clip Sheen addresses what to do with wayward youth and to set them back on the right track. Sheen then targets child labor laws, and derides society's apparent obsession with getting a college education: "We ought to perhaps reform our child labor laws. Young people are not allowed to work on account of the law!? They're old enough to work, they're old enough to commit crimes! ...When for example there was a newspaper strike in one city, a number of boys who were delinquents began selling newspapers. There was a delivery strike and they sold newspapers. Crime dropped!"

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-05-01   11:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan (#6)

The sooner that utes comprehend the notion that there is reward in honest, productive, WORK! the much better off they will be, for a lifetime.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-05-01   11:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#7)

there is reward in honest, productive, WORK! the much better off they will be, for a lifetime.

I worked with a couple of black guys on State Hwy Dept in Illinois. I asked one of them once how they got their jobs. He told me, "They just needed a couple of niggers." He was dead pan serious. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-01   13:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#7)

I'd choose hands on experience over book smarts any day.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-05-01   13:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Obnoxicated (#9)

I'd choose hands on experience over book smarts any day.

I used to work highway maintenance in Illinois. When I was on construction and working air hammer, the crew would start to needle me. I would pick up that 90 lb air hammer and use it like a machine gun on them. It always got a laugh.

I was young and strong back then, and I had a lot of back injuries also. One time they sent me to the State doctor for exam. He poked at my neck and said, "You don't need no more treatments (chiropractic). Take hot showers." When I walked out into the cold air I got a muscle spasm. My lawyer said that guy wouldn't know a muscle spasm if it happened right in front of him. :-/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-01   13:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#6)

Yes, the Archbishop is right. To simplify, "Idle hands are the devil's workshop."

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-05-01   13:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#8)

They just needed a couple of niggers.

As a kid, we refered to those guys as "african monbacks" because they always stood behind the garbage truck yelling " 'Mon back!" :)

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-05-01   13:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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