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Title: As ties deepen, elite U.S., Vietnam forces eye possible opening
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URL Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/ties-dee ... es-eye-possible-022053375.html
Published: May 26, 2016
Author: Phil Stewart
Post Date: 2016-05-27 06:44:35 by BTP Holdings
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Comments: 17

As ties deepen, elite U.S., Vietnam forces eye possible opening

By Phil Stewart

May 26, 2016

Soldiers hold rifles while marching during a celebration to mark

Reunification Day in Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam April 30, 2015. REUTERS/Kham

TAMPA, Fla. (Reuters) - Special operations forces from the United States and Vietnam are signaling a readiness to start forging ties should their governments choose to do so, in what would be a major step in relations between militaries that were at war 4-1/2 decades ago. Rear Admiral Colin Kilrain, who leads U.S. Special Operations Forces in the Asia-Pacific region, told Reuters in an interview that he met the commander from Vietnam's elite forces on the sidelines of a conference in Tampa, Florida, this week.

"Both of us would like to deepen the relationship but we're also very mindful that we go at the pace of what our governments want to do," Kilrain said, disclosing the details of the meeting.

The talks, which lasted about half an hour on Wednesday, came two days after U.S. President Barack Obama ended the U.S. arms embargo on Vietnam during a visit to that country on Monday.

Human rights advocates reacted to Obama's decision with dismay, saying Washington's decision to end the embargo tossed away a critical lever it might have used to spur political reform in the Communist-ruled state.

Obama's trip to Vietnam, which borders China, underscored shared concerns about China's growing military clout as Beijing aggressively advances sovereignty claims to the South China Sea.

READY FOR NEXT STEPS

"We were both very encouraged by the positive meeting that President Obama had with the Vietnamese. And we wanted to go back and tell our chains of commands that ... we stand ready to take the next steps," Kilrain said.

Still, Kilrain was emphatic that the extent and pace of any such contacts would be decided by their governments.

"We will wait for positive signs from our own governments to move forward," he said.

The U.S. Navy has already taken important steps, carrying out four port visits last year, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet said. The head of U.S. military forces in the Asia-Pacific earlier signaled to Congress his desire to do more visits in 2016.

The United States has also contributed over $92 million since 1993 to help Vietnam address the threats posed by unexploded ordnance from the war and is supporting Vietnam's development of a peace keeping training center near Hanoi, the White House said.

Kilrain noted that when it came to kick-starting military ties, elite U.S. special operations forces, which include everything from Navy SEALs to the Army's elite Delta Force, are often some of the best options.

Green Berets, who specialize in irregular warfare, were active in the Vietnam conflict.

"For us, because we're light, we're small and we can move quickly, we're about re-establishing friendships and relationships," Kilrain said.

"And we're oftentimes the easiest ones to start with militarily. And I'm proud of that."

Although he declined to speculate on first steps with Vietnam, Kilrain acknowledged the process usually started slowly, with planning conferences to share information about how their militaries were organized and discussions on human rights.

"So it's somewhat benign and it's not necessarily classic military-type training," he said


Poster Comment:

Now the U.S. wants to get with the commie Vietnamese in an effort to counter Chinese imperialism in the South China Sea.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I love militaries having discussions on human rights.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-05-27   8:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Now the U.S. wants to get with the commie Vietnamese in an effort to counter Chinese imperialism in the South China Sea.

Indeed.

Recall I asked if you were aware in recent past of Russia asking the US position if China invaded Russia?

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-27   9:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

. . . and discussions continue as military leaders on both sides seek to harmonize their transgender policies.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2016-05-27   9:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#2)

Countries only have shifting alliances but never permanent friends or enemies;.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-05-27   9:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#4)

Countries only have shifting alliances but never permanent friends or enemies;.

Ahhhh yessss!!!!

That axiom is difficult to propagate....

Example... Afore WWII, Britain and Japan were sweethearts. Brits wanted the US to fight Germans, but unwilling to stand up to Japan.

When Japan slaughtered Brits, they came with hands wringing, crying, 'save us save us"...

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-27   10:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#2)

Recall I asked if you were aware in recent past of Russia asking the US position if China invaded Russia?

There are so many Chinese that they seem to roam freely across the Russian border. I think that is equivalent to our porous southern border with Mexico.

But the Russians still conscript their military and they are bound to serve the Russian state. I think they would have enough Russian military to patrol the border with China to keep out the Chinese. But that also takes money. This is money the Russians really do not have, especially with the drop in crude oil prices recently. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-27   17:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

WWII

My Mom was in love with a Sea Bee, but he got killed in the South Pacific. Long story about how she met my Dad, but it was in a dance hall. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-27   17:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

BTP...

Geo/politics lesson 1.

Russia has nearly 3000 mile border with China.

Russia has 150 million people, China has 2 billion people.

Of Russian population, estimated 30 million are Chinese, legal and illegal.

Russia has vast natural resources, China few.

All questions as to future of both can be answered with above information.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-27   18:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

All questions as to future of both can be answered with above information.

Yes I am familiar with geopolitics. It was a study of mine when I read The Barnes Review magazine. Geopolitics forms the basis of all governmental and military actions. It has been that way for a very long time, likely since the time of the Greeks and ancient Egyptians. Certainly it was this way in ancient Rome. And likely during Babylon. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-27   23:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#9)

Lesson 2...

Country A, with 2 million people does not attack country B with 100 million people.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-28   9:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

Country A, with 2 million people does not attack country B with 100 million people.

I know, the numbers don't add up. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-28   9:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#11)

I know, the numbers don't add up. ;)

War hysteria, not supported by the MATH is ludicrous.

Example, Hitler did NOT attack Russia until he had all of western Europe under physical or political control. Japan DID attack the US from lack of land, food, natural resources.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-28   9:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

Japan had a nice empire going in their part of the Pacific.

When we embargoed their oil -an act of war- the nips pivoted.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-05-28   11:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rotara (#13)

When we embargoed their oil -an act of war- the nips pivoted.

Yes, they were island hopping out there, and oil was necessary for their war effort. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-28   16:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BTP Holdings, Rotara, Phant2000 (#14)

When we embargoed their oil -an act of war- the nips pivoted.

Yes, they were island hopping out there, and oil was necessary for their war effort. ;)

Because you are two intelligent gentlemen...

Act of war???? Yes indeed, but are the two of you aware of what preceded this act, what you are NEVER told was the other factor of that act????

The US government because of the endless slaughter in China, told the Japanese, withdraw from China, THERE WILL BE NO EMBARGOES SANCTIONS etc etc, all the oil you want.

The Japanese government (military) on that note alone decided to go with the Navy plan to move South. The die was cast.

THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE. THEY CHOSE WAR WITH THE US.

Is it not odd, we tried to free China in the 1930s. now they are our enemy, Japan is our friend.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-05-28   17:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

Because you are two intelligent gentlemen...

Act of war???? Yes indeed, but are the two of you aware of what preceded this act, what you are NEVER told was the other factor of that act????

The US government because of the endless slaughter in China, told the Japanese, withdraw from China, THERE WILL BE NO EMBARGOES SANCTIONS etc etc, all the oil you want.

The Japanese government (military) on that note alone decided to go with the Navy plan to move South. The die was cast.

THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE. THEY CHOSE WAR WITH THE US.

Is it not odd, we tried to free China in the 1930s. now they are our enemy, Japan is our friend.

Yes, I am aware of this. The Japs moved south, island hopping all the way, and they would have made it to Australia if it hadn't been for the U.S. Navy, Army and Marines.

Just a side note, When I worked for the State of Illinois, we had an ex- Marine as a foreman. He was on Iwo Jima. He had a problem with alcohol.

One day he was in the yard to get some cold patch on his pick up. A guy came out in the loader with a scoop of asphalt. One of the guys on the crew was telling the guy in the loader, "Dump it! Dump it!" So he did and the foreman got hot. The guy in the loader said to the other guy, "What's he so hot about?" The other guy said, "You'd be hot too if your bottle just got buried!" ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-28   19:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#3)

transgender policies.

I hear the Bruce Jenner experiment was a colossal failure. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-05-28   19:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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