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Title: Extensive Bitcoin Use 'Could Disrupt Financial Stability' Unless Restricted
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URL Source: http://sputniknews.com/business/201 ... tcoin-financial-stability.html
Published: May 27, 2016
Author: Sputnik
Post Date: 2016-05-27 11:54:44 by Pinguinite
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Views: 130
Comments: 23

Extensive use of bitcoins and other virtual currencies could pose a threat to the state's financial stability unless restricted, Russia's Investigative Committee Chairman Alexander Bastrykin said Thursday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Bitcoin, a popular virtual web-based currency, has appreciated against the Russian ruble, rising in value from approximately 30,000 rubles ($392) to almost 33,000 rubles by mid-January, according to CoinDesk. Its value remains volatile against most currencies.

"According to analysts, the circulation volume of monetary surrogates in Russia has already reached one percent of GDP. If this figure grows by 10 percent or more, this tool could become a real danger to the financial stability of the state. Unchecked expansion of the money supply via surrogate growth will lead to the devaluation and a gradual elimination of the ruble from the currency market. As a result, the state could lose its monopoly on money emission, as well as the income it generates," Bastrykin told the Russian Rossiyskaya Gazeta newspaper in an interview.

2016 to Become the Year of Bitcoin, Traders Predict

With money surrogates increasingly popular and more competitive than conventional currencies, the market must be restricted in its initial stage, Bastrykin added.

Launched in 2009, the bitcoin cryptocurrency reached its peak value in late 2013, trading at over $1,000 per bitcoin. Since 2014, its value has fluctuated between $200 and $500.

Cryptocurrencies have no material form and global currency regulation does not apply. An unlimited number of anonymous sources could issue and use the currency.

Russian law bans the issue of any currency not approved by the Central Bank of Russia.

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#1. To: All (#0)

How do you get some Bitcoin? The only way I've seen involves giving up tons of personal info, a hand scan etc.

NN translation of headline: Extensive Bitcoin Use Could Liberate amerikans from the Federal Gulag, Make Lots of Them Millionaires, and Restore Financial Privacy

(For such a gargantuan population, you never hear much about its ill effects. Is that a farming or mining scene?)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-05-27   14:47:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)

How do you get some Bitcoin? The only way I've seen involves giving up tons of personal info, a hand scan etc.

That I don't know, but a web search turned up localbitcoins.com/ which offers locations for buying bitcoins in person.

There may well be KYC requirements to buy bitcoins from some places (That is , convert USD to bitcoins (BTC)). That would be if those outfits required it due to their still being part of the tightly watched finance system. I don't know about those. However, if you wanted to accept BTC from anyone who already had them then that would likely be a different story, depending on who you would be dealing with.

There are no doubt on-line outfits that would sell you btc, and those places could well be located outside the USA so US laws wouldn't apply. However, one should be careful as an exchange of BTC is done instantly, and would certainly not be done before you pay. And whether it's done after you pay is up to the vendor, whether they are trustworthy or not. There could well be scammers out there, so doing it in person might be more secure.

Alternatively, you could put your PC to work to mine bitcoins. You may end up paying more in electricity then you would mine, but if you are lucky, your PC could strike it rich to the tune of about $11k worth of BTC, at the current exchange rate. The process basically involves having your PC throw random numbers together hoping to create the exact sequence needed to qualify as a new & unique set of coins. Though computers are fast, that speed is balanced by the extremely slim chances that any single random number sequence will qualify as a new coin.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-05-28   17:40:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Thanks -- would that last bit be ripping them off?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-05-28   21:48:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

Thanks -- would that last bit be ripping them off?

heheh.... great question, but no, not at all. Not in the least. It's no more ripping off anyone than is taking a pick and shovel out to some old gold mine and digging for more gold. If you don't do it, the gold isn't discovered and life goes on. The supply of gold in the world is slightly less, and because of that it's more valuable, and economics is affected accordingly. But if you don't find it today, someone else might find it tomorrow, and then they'll have it to spend instead of you. Then again, you didn't have to work to find it and they did. You did something else which might be adding some other kind of value to society.

If you find it, it's yours, and people want it. It's called mining when done with a pick and shovel, and it's also called mining when your PC does the work, and the concepts are the exact same. You will send more money on electricity to find the bitcoins, and once your PC stumbles upon a particular numeric sequence that is a bitcoin, no one else in the world can find that same sequence. Or they can, but since you already found it, it will be no good to them. They have to find another sequence that no one has ever found before. There are a limited number of sequences that can be found so just like a real gold mine, the more that's mined, the less that remains to be found and the harder it is to find. That provides a natural limit to the supply of bitcoins that can be created.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-05-28   22:56:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite, lod, neoconsnailed (#5)

, March 18, 2013). SECTION 3. SCOPE In general, the sale or exchange of convertible virtual currency, or the use of convertible virtual currency to pay for goods or services in a real-world economy transaction, has tax consequences that may result in a tax liability. This notice addresses only the U.S. federal tax consequences of transactions in, or transactions that use, convertible virtual currency, and the term “virtual currency” as used in Section 4 refers only to convertible virtual currency. No inference should be drawn with respect to virtual currencies not described in this notice. The Treasury Department and the IRS recognize that there may be other questions regarding the tax consequences of virtual currency not addressed in this notice that warrant consideration. Therefore, the Treasury Department and the IRS request comments from the public regarding other types or aspects of virtual currency transactions that should be addressed in future guidance.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs- drop/n-14-21.pdf

Artisan  posted on  2016-05-29   9:07:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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http://www.economicpolicyjourna l.com/2013/12/gary-north- destroys-bitcoin.html?m=1 http://www.garynorth.com/public /11866.cfm

Excerpt:

Bitcoins. Almost nobody knows how to buy Bitcoins. The person must buy them through a Bitcoins currency exchange company. He has no idea which ones are reliable. He risks getting into a Bitcoins-related Web business like Silk Road, which the government shut down. He risks getting into an exchange like Sheep Marketplace, which was hit by a $100 million heist, and which shut down, leaving its users with a 100% loss. There is no way to prosecute. There is no way for a depositor to get his digital money back. He bought secrecy with respect to any police agency, so nobody can find out where his money went, and he has no legal claim against anybody.

He has to know how to use computers to get access to this kind of money. Not many people know how to do this online. In other words, there is a huge learning curve involved in gaining access to this privacy money.

Conclusion. Here is a fundamental economic rule: as the price of anything increases, less is demanded. The information cost of discovering how to gain access to Bitcoins is high. The information cost of discovering how to use an ATM machine, or a drive-through bank teller system, or walking into a bank and withdrawing currency is about as close to zero as imaginable.

Therefore, anyone who promotes Bitcoins is a viable alternative to greenbacks is ignoring the following: (1) the low information costs of gaining access to greenbacks; (2) the complete lack of interest on the part of the government or the bank in withdrawals of a few hundred dollars at the time; (3) a market for this currency that is essentially the same as the market for digital currency; and (4) the possibility of negotiating discounts for purchases with this currency.

2. MARKETABILITY

Here, I discuss the Austrian school's definition of money: the most marketable commodity.

Greenbacks. If you own dollars in the form of paper currency, these dollars are available for use in any retail establishment. You can go into Walmart, Target, or any other retail establishment, and you can buy anything in that store for paper money. You will not be asked to show an identification card when you leave. No one will pay any attention to the fact that you are buying this with paper money. The person at the checkout counter will simply take your money, and issue you a receipt. You will walk out of the store with your receipt and whatever it is that you bought.

You can repeat this with any public utility. Paper money is familiar to everyone at a checkout counter. The employee will probably not examine the currency to find out if it is counterfeit. In other words, there are no transaction costs in using currency, other than driving to the retail establishment and driving home. But, with respect to buying with this currency, there are no transaction costs. There are no search costs. You do not have to search for which companies are willing to sell you something for your paper money. They all are.

The market for paper money is essentially the same as the market for digital money. There is no restriction on the use of paper money. The Federal Reserve System is behind its paper money. The Federal Reserve System is not going to limit the use of paper money. Its name is on the paper money. There is no hostility between the Federal Reserve System and paper money issued by the Federal Reserve System. There is no hostility by government agencies to the use of currency, as long as the currency is being used in statistically normal patterns, with respect to withdrawals. Because there are no restrictions on the use of paper money, no question is asked at a retail establishment regarding the use of paper money to make a purchase. Therefore, retail establishments constantly allow people to buy anything they want in the store with paper money. The market for paper money is coterminous with digital money within the geographical area under the jurisdiction of the United States government and the Federal Reserve System.

Bitcoins. You cannot use Bitcoins to buy anything in approximately 99.9% of American retail establishments. This is probably too low an estimate. You cannot buy what you want, when you want, where you want with Bitcoins. There are search costs involved in locating anybody who will sell you anything with Bitcoins.

When you walk into a retail store and ask if you can buy anything in the store for Bitcoins, the employee will not know what you are talking about. Almost nobody in the store will know what you are talking about. There is no checkout counter that converts Bitcoins into digital dollars, and then issues you a receipt for whatever it is you just purchased Therefore, Bitcoins have close to zero marketability.

The only way you can buy anything with Bitcoins is because the seller is going to convert the Bitcoins immediately into dollars. Bitcoins do not have a separate market that is not tied to the banking system. In China, on December 5, the People's bank of China issued new regulations on Bitcoins.

"Internet websites that provide bitcoin registration or transaction services should be sure to fulfill anti-money laundering obligations, identify user identities, request users to register with real names and provide information of names, identity card numbers, etc…. any clues related to using bitcoin for fraud, gambling, money laundering and other criminal activities should also be promptly reported to the police." Bitcoins all over the world fell by one-third within a day. The peak had been a few days earlier: $1,242. They are in the low-$700s today. The volatility is gut-wrenching.

Therefore, hardly anyone is going to sell you anything for Bitcoins who does not have the ability to convert instantly those Bitcoins back into dollars or his own domestic currency. The risk of holding Bitcoins more than a few seconds is way too high for any retail establishment. So, for a retail establishment to be willing to sell you anything for Bitcoins, it must have a computer program tied to its bank in order to convert Bitcoins into dollars instantaneously. This means that the retail seller has to let his bank know that he is using Bitcoins. This means that, at any time, the Federal Reserve System can collapse the price of Bitcoins.

Artisan  posted on  2016-05-29 09:19:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#8)

SECTION 3. SCOPE In general, the sale or exchange of convertible virtual currency, or the use of convertible virtual currency to pay for goods or services in a real-world economy transaction, has tax consequences that may result in a tax liability.

Certainly the gov will want to continue taxing the transfer of money via laws and regs, but when it comes to bitcoin or other crypto currency, the question is how will it be enforced?

With the USD, money is much more easily tracked. Banks can see account values and transfers to and from the account. But with cryptocurrencies, banks are not needed. In fact they are obsolete, much as the movie rental retail outfit called Blockbuster became obsolete with netflix, bittorrent, and the pirate bay. There is no need or reason for digital wealth to be stored at some 3rd party institution. It can instead be stored on a cell phone or flash drive. Add to that the anonymity of transactions, and governments loose any and all ability to enforce any taxes related to the flow of money.

Sure they can make all the laws they want, but if any law is not enforceable on a large scale, it will fail as a matter of practicality.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-05-29 12:27:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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