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Title: Follow Up On Orlando Pulse Club False Flag
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URL Source: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/06 ... orlando-pulse-club-false-flag/
Published: Jun 16, 2016
Author: Victurus Libertas
Post Date: 2016-06-16 10:07:20 by christine
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We were among the first ones to spot all the clues that point to a false flag when the Orlando supposed mass shooting at the Pulse club happened early Sunday morning June 12, 2016. As more reports came out and more interviews took place, it was even more and more obvious this was indeed, a false flag. If you are not yet convinced, I encourage you to watch the short videos below.
We all saw this guy with the red tennis shoes being carried with an alleged gun shot wound to the leg. Watch this video closely. Watch the “rescuers” put down the “victim” when they think they are out of the shot of the camera:

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#18. To: christine (#0)
Called it.
Yeah... it is disgusting to see this shit happening on a regular basis. You just cant trust anything on the news anymore, not like one percent but zero percent. The media lies, lies, and then lies some more , its just a bad propaganda engine now.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-16 17:17:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: christine (#0)
I'd vote to arm both sides with nukes and let the queers and Muzzies shoot it out !
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".
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noone222 posted on 2016-06-16 17:19:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Turtle (#14)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-17 2:08:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: NeoconsNailed, Turtle (#20)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?

Uhhh...Turtle might say this...
When the sun comes up this morning, there are a few that find the timing a bit FISHY...because the Almanac said six months ago the time of rising.
One has to admit, some room there for conspiring????

Cynicom posted on 2016-06-17 4:10:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?

I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and I know bullshit when I see it. Bombs in towers, false flag shootings at the Boston marathon and at a fag nightclub...bullshit.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-17 9:33:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Turtle (#22)
Well, I'm a present newspaper reporter and editor and I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit.
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-17 11:17:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Artisan (#0)
Ping, this is.the thread i was referencing.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-18 15:20:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: christine (#0)
My conspiracy theory: I'm certainly beginning to think that FedGov/FBI/et al KNEW that Omar Mateen was an inbred psychopath with violent tendencies and that it was only a matter of time before he perpetrated a horrific crime. How many more muslim nutcases, buying guns/ammo/body armor, are running around that the FBI knows about but is refusing to stop in advance??
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
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X-15 posted on 2016-06-18 15:58:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: X-15 (#25)
FBI knows about but is refusing to stop in advance??

With the FBI that cuts both ways.
There are good guys and bad guys.
Russian spy sat in FBI HQ for 15 years, no one was aware.

Joe Sixpack, drunk, mentions Flop Ears in a bar and next day FBI at his door.
A moral there somewhere.

Cynicom posted on 2016-06-18 18:27:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)
The tax on tea was "taxation without representation". But the tax on whiskey was a lawful excise tax and needed to be enforced. Washington lead the Army against the protesters of the excise. Know your history. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:10:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
The rebels of the whisky rebellion were in the right.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-18 20:13:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: christine (#0)
This reminds me of the Nazi propaganda paper titled, "Deutchland Erwache" or Germany Awake.

www.youtube.com/watch? v=8RHS-8v97Uk
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:20:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: titorite (#28)
The rebels of the whisky rebellion were in the right.

That may have been, but history records otherwise. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:22:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
Occasionally, government errs. One of the great lewrockwell (and Rothbard!) articles out there
www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/when-the-feds-first-attacked-the-americans/
..........The main distortion of the Official View of the Whiskey Rebellion was its alleged confinement to four counties of western Pennsylvania. From recent research, we now know that no one paid the tax on whiskey throughout the American “back-country”: that is, the frontier areas of Maryland, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, and the entire state of Kentucky.
President Washington and Secretary Hamilton chose to make a fuss about Western Pennsylvania precisely because in that region there was a cadre of wealthy officials who were willing to collect taxes. Such a cadre did not even exist in the other areas of the American frontier; there was no fuss or violence against tax collectors in Kentucky and the rest of the back-country because there was no one willing to be a tax collector.
The whiskey tax was particularly hated in the back-country because whisky production and distilling were widespread; whiskey was not only a home product for most farmers, it was often used as a money, as a medium of exchange for transactions. Furthermore, in keeping with Hamilton’s program, the tax bore more heavily on the smaller distilleries. As a result, many large distilleries supported the tax as a means of crippling their smaller and more numerous competitors.
Western Pennsylvania, then, was only the tip of the iceberg. The point is that, in all the other back-country areas, the whiskey tax was never paid. Opposition to the federal excise tax program was one of the causes of the emerging Democrat-Republican Party, and of the Jeffersonian “Revolution” of 1800. Indeed, one of the accomplishments of the first Jefferson term as president was to repeal the entire Federalist excise tax program. In Kentucky, whiskey tax delinquents only paid up when it was clear that the tax itself was going to be repealed.
Rather than the whiskey tax rebellion being localized and swiftly put down, the true story turns out to be very different. The entire American back-country was gripped by a non-violent, civil disobedient refusal to pay the hated tax on whiskey. No local juries could be found to convict tax delinquents. The Whiskey Rebellion was actually widespread and successful, for it eventually forced the federal government to repeal the excise tax.
Except during the War of 1812, the federal government never again dared to impose an internal excise tax, until the North transformed the American Constitution by centralizing the nation during the War Between the States. One of the evil fruits of this war was the permanent federal “sin” tax on liquor and tobacco, to say nothing of the federal income tax, an abomination and a tyranny even more oppressive than an excise.
Why didn’t previous historians know about this widespread non-violent rebellion? Because both sides engaged in an “open conspiracy” to cover up the facts. Obviously, the rebels didn’t want to call a lot of attention to their being in a state of illegality.
Washington, Hamilton, and the Cabinet covered up the extent of the revolution because they didn’t want to advertise the extent of their failure. They knew very well that if they tried to enforce, or send an army into, the rest of the back-country, they would have failed. Kentucky and perhaps the other areas would have seceded from the Union then and there. Both contemporary sides were happy to cover up the truth, and historians fell for the deception.
The Whiskey Rebellion, then, considered properly, was a victory for liberty and property rather than for federal taxation. Perhaps this lesson will inspire a later generation of American taxpayers who are so harried and downtrodden as to make the whiskey or stamp taxes of old seem like Paradise...........
This all spells a monstrous Jueing. The Jues are the great epic chiselers in any society. Mfg is offshored ptly so the Jue middlemen can make out like bandits on the shipping.

(They tried to civilize the poor girl, but it was a miserable thing. The strangest thing is that wild children adapt to weather as if they had animal fur -- cold means nothing to them! If humans will kindly stop reproducing, no more wild children. No more politicians, no more Izrul, no more war.....)
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-19 4:57:15 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Turtle (#22)
I am a former newspaper reporter and editor

Lmao. You're trying to sell us that YOU know the truth because you were once a newspaper reporter and editor? It's narrow minded mainstreamers like you that have been spewing lies and bullshit for ions! Thank God for the researchers and journalists (those you call conspironuts whose water you couldn't carry) in alternative media.

christine posted on 2016-06-20 21:55:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: christine, Turtle (#32)
You're trying to sell us that YOU know the truth because you were once a newspaper reporter and editor?

He went to J-School, why isn't that a valid enough credential for people like you and I? Only the best and brightest get into J-School.
If you wewe a twee...
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Dakmar posted on 2016-06-20 21:58:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Dakmar (#33)
The internet has killed any need for j-schools. Thank God.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-20 22:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: christine (#32)
its sort of interesting and peculiar to observe this phenomenon. it occurs 'in real life' and on the web in internet communities too. The people who are aware or 'see' the conspiracies usually try to show others what is going on, to help them see things as they are. this is for the others well being. but on the other hand, if someone doesn't see it, and doesn't want to see it, and doesn't care, or scoffs at it, and doesn't want to be 'helped', then who really gives a shit? I mean, as long as that person isn't a part of your life, then what they believe or don't believe will not affect you in any way, usually. if it were someone who was actually in your life, who you were at odds with on these matters, that would be quite different.

a lot of people don't know anything about conspiracies at all, they live their lives, and then die, and they are none the better or worse for it.

for me, a lot of these shooting conspiracies, which I cannot even keep track of anymore, it doesn't really matter if they're false or not. the main thing is that people should not surrender their 2A because of it. Whether its real or not, the important point is that no one should be convinced to give up their gun rights.

if someone blames guns, and wants to restrict the rights of the people, they're a commie and screwed in the head. they're an enemy. whether so called 'crisis actors' were used or not, which actually sounds quite bizarre, even to me, is irrelevant. don't get me wrong I'm not turning into a scoffer of conspiracies. not at all. I am just saying that a lot of this endless minutia, to me, simply does not matter.
its just like the scalia thing. yeah he died with a pillow over his head, and his prissy lawyer son went on tv and scolded 'conspiracy theorists' who were soiling his dads image. the guy had 12 kids and none of them gave a shit he died with a pillow over his face? then if his own family doesn't give a shit why should I??? lol seriously?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-20 22:49:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Artisan (#35)
the guy had 12 kids and none of them gave a shit he died with a pillow over his face? then if his own family doesn't give a shit why should I??? lol seriously?

We should care because he was our public servant. We should care because these things in the public arena have public repercussions that affect everyone. When good people stop caring evil triumphs. But thats just my opinion from my perspective. Your results may vary.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-20 23:07:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: titorite (#36)
We should care because he was our public servant. We should care because these things in the public arena have public repercussions that affect everyone. When good people stop caring evil triumphs. But thats just my opinion from my perspective. Your results may vary.

I mean, in a situation like that, such as a sandy hook or an old Italian judge, I have no standing or jusrisdiction to make results happen. I cannot pressure anyone or raise hell about it to any avail if it does not involved my family or my property, so, there is nothing to do.

it's sort of like the bible verse when Jesus tells his disciples that if they aren't welcomed then to wipe the dust from their feet and move on to elsewhere.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-20 23:16:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Artisan (#35)
it's the arrogance, Martin.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 0:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: christine (#0)
The first and 3rd element shown are not convincing to me of anything faked.
The guy with red shoes is not shown walking at all. At least I don't see it. They do stop and he stands without the assistance of one of the guys who carried him, but maybe with the help of the other guy and/or someone else. We cannot see that. But there's no footage of him walking at all, much less walking normally.
On the last clip with the interview, I saw a post somewhere where one of the patrons was describing how he held a door shut to protect himself in spite of others on the other side wanting to pass through it.
The footage of them allegedly carrying wounded towards Pulse is something I can't offer a counter explanation to, though. I'd want to see a map of the whole area, for 2-4 blocks in all directions.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 2:56:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Artisan (#37)
I cannot pressure anyone or raise hell about it to any avail if it does not involved my family or my property, so, there is nothing to do.

No. Not for me. I may be along for the same ride but i believe if their is absolutly nothing else i can do, i can know the truth, share the truth, and act in a better manner in truth.
Amd if i can not enlighten someone else to the truth i may move on to the next person, but i wont give up on humanity. I wont turn my back on soceity content to seclude my world and my concerns to my family alone.
I wont because i have family.
A most wonderful woman and a great child.
This sort of shit effects them too. I dont want them to be sucked into the lies, i dont want them tuned by propaganda. And as shit gets worse, as soceity continues down this fucked up slope, if things dont change i want them to be empowered to handle anything, to reject the mark, to know grace, to know truth.
So it behooves me to care.... to speak on it. To try and effect change for the better.
All evil needs to win is for good people to do nothing. So maybe the false flag doesnt affct me or mine personally, but i still care and i still feel that drive that want to do something.
Even if all can do is condemn the lie.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-21 3:14:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Pinguinite (#39)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?
And what of the parents so happy about their dead children but so angry about the avilablity of guns?
To say nothing about the lack of shells or bullet holes. Over one hundred on target rounds, how many more misses would their be?
Their are many forensic aspects that call everything about this hoax into question for me.
I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-21 3:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: titorite (#41) (Edited)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?

I didn't see that at all. At that point about all that's visible is his foot. I don't see it moev at all, and it is he foot of the wounded leg. As for why they'd set him down, I think that's over analyzing. People get tired. Maybe the guy being carried was uncomfortable and wanted to stop for a minute. Should they carry him for the next 3 miles? Should they hold him off the ground until an ambulance arrives?

I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.

I'm confident 911 was a real event in the sense that the towers really did collapse. One question I have when I hear people call this and other events "false flags": Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.
That distinction needs to be made clear.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 3:40:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Pinguinite (#42)
Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.

I mean it as the latter. I don't believe that people don't die, but I do believe they are staged and carried out by more than a lone patsy.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 10:31:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: All, Christine, Lod, titorite (#39)
Spent a few minutes and found a map of the area, which marks the Stand Up MRI, Duncan Donuts, and the Pulse nightclub, and it does seem they were carrying wounded down the sidewalk in the general direction of Pulse.
However, they were also being carried in the general direction of the Orlando Regional Medical Center, which is about 6 blocks away from that location.
Here's a map, compliments of the Stand Up MRI.
www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=28.518827~-81.376900&lvl=16&sty=r&q=2010%20South%20Orange%20Avenue%20Orlando,%20FL%2032806&form=LMLTCC
In any event, seeing wounded carried in the direction of Pulse is not necessarily a sign of fakery. It should be remembered that it would have been a very chaotic situation with over 100 people killed or wounded. In an emergency situation, everyone would be running everywhere in all directions, and wounded people would flee or be taken somewhere most expedient for safety. Afterwards, when the danger is gone with the shooter dead, people, including wounded, can then relocate short distances for whatever reasons. They could be because lying down on concrete is not comforable. Maybe they lived nearby and wanted to go to their home/apartment. Maybe where most people went first was just too crowded. The less seriously wounded people would not have been attended to first by parametics, which are probably all those shown in the video being carried.
In a nutshell, it would have been a very chaotic scene as something almost no one involved was expecting or prepared for. So making too much out of the direction people were carried is just that, IMO.
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.
There is a time and place for paranoia. It can be a good and valid survival mechanism. But we still need to keep our feet on the ground in perceiving the reality around us. The USA is a country of 350 million people. The odds of a handful out of that number being willing and able to do what happened in Orlando is about as close to 100% as it can get without being 100%. Also, the government does not have God-like powers of ultimate control over the entire population. Individual people can do things to make national headline news.
My 2c.
PS: Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 14:18:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Thanks for bringing the information and your thoughts to us. We'll likely never know the full truth of this event, like all the rest of them.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-21 14:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Lod (#45)
You're welcome. I am confident the gov does have a motivated interest is keeping the country at war of whatever type perpetually. It's easier to control the population that way, and except for the fact that the Orlando shooting, as depicted, will help Trump in the polls, the effects are otherwise fine for the PTB's. More gun control and more reason to wage wars in the Middle East.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 15:20:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

No worries. I appreciate your thoughts. I'll have more to add later. ;)

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:06:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Pinguinite (#46)
Watch this. Try not to be influenced by the narrator although I agree with him. ;) Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior. This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:15:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: christine (#48)
Thanks, Chrissy. Is there a link or youtube that's supposed to be there?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 19:37:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: christine (#48)
When I worked for the State of Illinois, before they rebuilt I-94 Edens Expressway, the State construction crew was breaking out full depth holes in the left lane of the three lane expressway.
The State Police were chasing a car with two black guys in it. They drove into the lane closure and hit the first full depth hole (12 inches deep). The two front tires went flying off the car. One of the black guys got out of the car and said, "Man, look what you did to my car!" The Trooper had to arrest them both to keep the crew from killing them.
I know it is off topic, but it just popped into my head. I am thankful to remember anything that happened that long ago. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-21 22:04:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Pinguinite (#49)
uhhh..yes. LOL. I forgot. I was in a hurry to get to a dance lesson.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 22:31:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=post-footer&utm_campaign=Sharing

I’m Former NYPD: Here’s Why I Suspect There Was More Than One Shooter In Orlando

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#52)
patch.com/florida/southtampa/orlando-shooting-latest-timeline-transcripts-released

And why is it that we don't get to actually HEAR Mateen's call??? There are conflicting accounts of what he said. Some say he said Allah, but now this transcript shows he said God. Plus the fact that he supposedly texted his wife and posted on Facebook all while taking in excess of 120 shots??
What bullshit.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:25:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Pinguinite (#49)
www.freedomsphoenix.com/N...ld-be-the-smoking-gun.htm

G. Edward Griffin: This Story Could Be the Smoking Gun For All False-Flag Ops

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:36:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Pinguinite (#49)
memoryholeblog.com/2016/0...-shooting-in-u-s-history/

Excerpt:
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)
– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]
– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)
– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]
– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]
– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:42:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: christine (#48)
Yes, I did not like the narration which is hardly toned to allow the viewer to make up his own mind and let the video speak for itself. I searched youtube and found the original and watched it without any commentary.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0yN_qM_ZeM

Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior.

I admit her behaviour is indeed weird. She is smiling when she comes onto the camera, so much so that Cooper comments on it. I will say to start that some people really are weird. It's also true that people can react to tragedy in unexpected ways. If she's a crisis actor, then we might agree she's a lousy one, but what conclusion would we draw from that? That CNN would hire lousy actors to stage things like this? That the shootings in Orlando never happened? Maybe they did happen, but CNN couldn't find any parents of deceased gay people willing to be interviewed, so they had her pretend to be one just because they really wanted to do this interview. (That's one I could buy into, as I remember the supposed satellite interview on one of these networks where the same bus passes behind both anchors seconds apart).
So yes, they fake interviews, but even if the interview above is fake, that wouldn't mean the shootings didn't occur. But if giving the benefit of a doubt about this woman and assuming she really is the mother of one of the deceased, then yes, I'd say she's weird.

This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

I think camera crews will certainly include lighting hands to illuminate the area at night.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: All (#55)
Here's a very interesting comment to the Memory Hole article:
paulydeathwish says: June 15, 2016 at 6:48 AM
I would bring up a few further points about Florida. As per G4S HQ in Jupiter, FL, this town was the setting for popular TV show American Horror Story’s fourth season. Times of India (in coded language?) calling Orlando an “American horror story”.
I believe it was Times of India which got the scoop on the head of Pakistani ISI wiring money to one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers in the days or weeks leading up to that event. The timing would be interesting in that Mahmoud Ahmed of ISI was in D.C. on 9/11 meeting with Porter Goss and another legislator (if I remember correctly) during the attacks.
More importantly, does the Orlando attack exhibit an emerging trend of false flags by happening at night? We know the Paris attacks (Le Bataclan, etc.) happened at night. Maybe previous attacks happened in broad daylight. Did the cover of darkness allow for inflated casualty numbers?
G4S is really headquartered in London, UK, but they do have this North American HQ in Jupiter, FL. Why was this patsy hanging around headquarters? Don’t they operate nationwide? This could be another case of someone thinking he’s participating in a drill. Then drill gets flipped live, he gets whacked and left at crime scene, and a couple of pro assassins mow down some homosexuals.
Could also be Sandy Hook with the benefit of night.
Same lame pictures are in high rotation…from Fox News to ABC. If I was trying to convince credulous people that this event was fake, I would tailor my coverage in exactly the way I’ve seen (with the extremely few (all uninteresting) pictures).
People start saying: “Hey, I’ve seen that photo before. And that one. Don’t they have any other photos? And if not, why not.” There are plenty of things to photograph in a real event. It doesn’t have to be gory stuff. Plenty of items and arrangements which should be disturbed by the mayhem.
Maybe only one photographer got to the scene in time to capture anything marginally relevant. This could be another reason for a night attack. Control the images. Block off the streets. Control the perimeter early on. One anointed photographer takes a baby’s handful of photos of a couple of bloodied passerbys.
Full-circle: Jupiter, FL is about 10 miles from Jupiter Island, Florida.
–Paul

christine posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: christine (#52)
Okay, I read this one, and he asks these questions:
First, I'll premise that while I myself have never been in law enforcement, I did my 3 years in the army and have fired live rounds from an M-16 rifle.
Q 1:

How did an untrained novice, with a unfamiliar weapons, under incredibly adverse high stress conditions, achieve reload and accuracy rates, and most importantly a casualty count, that exceeded those of the world’s best competition shooters and special operators?

Have you ever been in a crowded night club? I have been in places so crowded its hard to move. Walking into a place like that armed as he was alleged to be, the challenge would not be hitting, but rather missing. Competition shooters do not compete by shooting into rooms overflowing with targets.
#2, the .223 round is a high velocity round, as it's designed to be. One round fired into a crowded room could conceivably strike 2-4 people if they are, say, all struck in the arms or otherwise in areas where there is little flesh to stop the round.
We also don't know how familiar or unfamiliar he was with the weapons. Just because they were bought recently doesn't mean he did not have prior training with them, and at minimum, it's reasonable to expect he would have practiced reloading prior to the attack. Certainly while reloading the long gun, he could have had his hand gun to keep people at bay.
High stress conditions: Remedied with drugs taken prior to the attack, which cops don't do, or shouldn't do, particularly when such events are unpredictable.
His Q2:

How did he carry the necessary weapons and ammunition into Pulse Nightclub on a hot Florida summer night without arousing the suspicion of one patron, staff member, or bouncer before firing shots?

He likely did arouse suspicion, but that's not the question. The question is, how much time goes by between people becoming suspicious and the time he begins shooting? Sure if you go back in time to the Pulse night club and wait for him, knowing exactly what he'll do, as soon as you see him you can take him down.
But people at the nightclub aren't expecting anything but a good time. The sight of someone with weapons approaching the club might be that he's a police officer. Unless someone can figure out within 15-30 seconds after being confused that something is terribly wrong, their suspicions won't help them.
I don't find this ex-cops write up to be a compelling argument. Maybe with more facts, it can be, like the total number of rounds fired by the shooter(s). It could be he only fired 70-80 rounds total, killing 49 and wounding another 50. For me, that's a credible possibility.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:28:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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