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Title: Follow Up On Orlando Pulse Club False Flag
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URL Source: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/06 ... orlando-pulse-club-false-flag/
Published: Jun 16, 2016
Author: Victurus Libertas
Post Date: 2016-06-16 10:07:20 by christine
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We were among the first ones to spot all the clues that point to a false flag when the Orlando supposed mass shooting at the Pulse club happened early Sunday morning June 12, 2016. As more reports came out and more interviews took place, it was even more and more obvious this was indeed, a false flag. If you are not yet convinced, I encourage you to watch the short videos below.
We all saw this guy with the red tennis shoes being carried with an alleged gun shot wound to the leg. Watch this video closely. Watch the “rescuers” put down the “victim” when they think they are out of the shot of the camera:

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#1. To: christine (#0)
The Orlando Hoax is being discussed on thepowerhour.com right now. It's falling apart faster than Sandy Hook.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-16 10:16:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: christine (#0)
Mike Rivero had an article from someone who did an analysis using Google earth and maps. It claims the people were taking alleged victims to the Pulse and not away from it. This only means there could have been a drill going on. I believe real people died. But the cops admit they might have killed some of the people inside the nightclub.
If there were 4 or 5 shooters, Omar could have been the patsy.
This false flag was poorly thought out. If ISIS did this, they would have to have people working as informants inside the federal government which is credible. If the Feds did this, they have some extremely stupid people working for them.
I expect many more attacks like this in Europe and in the US. The US, the UK and Israel helped create and fund ISIS but they have lost operational control at the level of the cell.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2016-06-16 10:19:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Horse (#2)
I have seen that video.
www.facebook.com/Official...190222020797/?pnref=story (George Galloway)

christine posted on 2016-06-16 10:24:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Lod (#1)
I just turned it on. Thanks.

christine posted on 2016-06-16 10:26:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Horse (#2)
This (so-called) mass murderer had been cleared to carry a weapon and work in security for a contractor that does work for Homo-Land Security by numerous official federal agencies.
C'mon man !
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".
"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-06-16 10:51:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: christine (#0)
Thanks for posting this.
I've seen this clip innumerable times the past few days, but hadn't seen the rescuers depositing the victim on the sidewalk.
While watching the longer version of this video, it's been bugging the crap outta me that more than one "victim" is being transported IN THE DIRECTION of the scene of the shooting rather than AWAY from it.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-16 11:10:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: noone222 (#5)
We live in a nation where the government and the media lies to us. We do know that people died. Omar could have been one of many shooters. We have audio of more than one gun firing on full auto at the same time.
If it was Muslims, they might have left him behind. We don't know until we have a Free Government and criminal investigations into Orlando and Sandy Hook.
No need for speculation. We do know that the single shooter theory is false. We need to find the additional shooters.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2016-06-16 11:13:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: randge, ALL (#6)

christine posted on 2016-06-16 11:15:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: christine (#8)
"...looking over piles of bodies in the bathroom..."
Who is the scriptwriter for this bullshit?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-16 11:25:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Lod (#9)
Omar Mateen again:

christine posted on 2016-06-16 11:27:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: christine (#8) (Edited)
At 4:00 she describes how the "made it outside" after escaping the shooting in the bar. Then she and her friend decide to go back in to "get Tiara" who didn't make it out with them.
So she RUNS BACK INTO the building with an active shooter situation going on - which the cops and FBI WERE TOO CHICKEN TO DO for 3 hours armed and suited up outside.
Carter recounts those agonizing hours wallowing on the bathroom floor among the wounded, dead and dying and recalls the 911 call pledging allegiance to ISIS.
It's just remarkable how some women go through the most horrendous stuff without breaking a fingernail.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-16 11:28:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Horse, All (#2)
Alas, regardless of the truth the masses of asses will go on sobbing, lighting candles and cursing the Moozlims...... OMG, I'm listening to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxkSVh2aNww
and this is showing!

Wotta source -- ton of anti-statist grafix!

http://www.facebook.com/MuhFlag/

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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-16 11:38:01 ET (3 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: christine (#8) (Edited)
FOX 29 is in Philadelphia !!! Long way from Orlando ! I guess she was on vacation and hangin out in a queer bar.
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".
"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-06-16 14:42:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)
You do know a lil' beaner faggot blocked the back door so no one could escape? He feared for his lil' beaner faggot life.
"False flag" my ass. That's why I call the conspironuts.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-16 15:17:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: All (#10)
watch this bullsh!t

www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10154918925156509/

christine posted on 2016-06-16 16:23:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: christine (#15)
Do you think that Patience (TV NEWS Reporter) would have gone out to a night club without any makeup or with her hair done ?
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".
"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-06-16 16:46:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: christine (#15)
Too bizarre for words.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-16 16:56:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: christine (#0)
Called it.
Yeah... it is disgusting to see this shit happening on a regular basis. You just cant trust anything on the news anymore, not like one percent but zero percent. The media lies, lies, and then lies some more , its just a bad propaganda engine now.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-16 17:17:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: christine (#0)
I'd vote to arm both sides with nukes and let the queers and Muzzies shoot it out !
"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".
"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".
"White Lives Matter Most if you're white"

Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-06-16 17:19:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Turtle (#14)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-17 2:08:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: NeoconsNailed, Turtle (#20)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?

Uhhh...Turtle might say this...
When the sun comes up this morning, there are a few that find the timing a bit FISHY...because the Almanac said six months ago the time of rising.
One has to admit, some room there for conspiring????

Cynicom posted on 2016-06-17 4:10:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)
Do you believe everything the media tell you?

I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and I know bullshit when I see it. Bombs in towers, false flag shootings at the Boston marathon and at a fag nightclub...bullshit.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-17 9:33:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Turtle (#22)
Well, I'm a present newspaper reporter and editor and I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit.
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-17 11:17:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Artisan (#0)
Ping, this is.the thread i was referencing.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-18 15:20:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: christine (#0)
My conspiracy theory: I'm certainly beginning to think that FedGov/FBI/et al KNEW that Omar Mateen was an inbred psychopath with violent tendencies and that it was only a matter of time before he perpetrated a horrific crime. How many more muslim nutcases, buying guns/ammo/body armor, are running around that the FBI knows about but is refusing to stop in advance??
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-18 15:58:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: X-15 (#25)
FBI knows about but is refusing to stop in advance??

With the FBI that cuts both ways.
There are good guys and bad guys.
Russian spy sat in FBI HQ for 15 years, no one was aware.

Joe Sixpack, drunk, mentions Flop Ears in a bar and next day FBI at his door.
A moral there somewhere.

Cynicom posted on 2016-06-18 18:27:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)
The tax on tea was "taxation without representation". But the tax on whiskey was a lawful excise tax and needed to be enforced. Washington lead the Army against the protesters of the excise. Know your history. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:10:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
The rebels of the whisky rebellion were in the right.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-18 20:13:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: christine (#0)
This reminds me of the Nazi propaganda paper titled, "Deutchland Erwache" or Germany Awake.

www.youtube.com/watch? v=8RHS-8v97Uk
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:20:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: titorite (#28)
The rebels of the whisky rebellion were in the right.

That may have been, but history records otherwise. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-18 20:22:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
Occasionally, government errs. One of the great lewrockwell (and Rothbard!) articles out there
www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/when-the-feds-first-attacked-the-americans/
..........The main distortion of the Official View of the Whiskey Rebellion was its alleged confinement to four counties of western Pennsylvania. From recent research, we now know that no one paid the tax on whiskey throughout the American “back-country”: that is, the frontier areas of Maryland, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, and the entire state of Kentucky.
President Washington and Secretary Hamilton chose to make a fuss about Western Pennsylvania precisely because in that region there was a cadre of wealthy officials who were willing to collect taxes. Such a cadre did not even exist in the other areas of the American frontier; there was no fuss or violence against tax collectors in Kentucky and the rest of the back-country because there was no one willing to be a tax collector.
The whiskey tax was particularly hated in the back-country because whisky production and distilling were widespread; whiskey was not only a home product for most farmers, it was often used as a money, as a medium of exchange for transactions. Furthermore, in keeping with Hamilton’s program, the tax bore more heavily on the smaller distilleries. As a result, many large distilleries supported the tax as a means of crippling their smaller and more numerous competitors.
Western Pennsylvania, then, was only the tip of the iceberg. The point is that, in all the other back-country areas, the whiskey tax was never paid. Opposition to the federal excise tax program was one of the causes of the emerging Democrat-Republican Party, and of the Jeffersonian “Revolution” of 1800. Indeed, one of the accomplishments of the first Jefferson term as president was to repeal the entire Federalist excise tax program. In Kentucky, whiskey tax delinquents only paid up when it was clear that the tax itself was going to be repealed.
Rather than the whiskey tax rebellion being localized and swiftly put down, the true story turns out to be very different. The entire American back-country was gripped by a non-violent, civil disobedient refusal to pay the hated tax on whiskey. No local juries could be found to convict tax delinquents. The Whiskey Rebellion was actually widespread and successful, for it eventually forced the federal government to repeal the excise tax.
Except during the War of 1812, the federal government never again dared to impose an internal excise tax, until the North transformed the American Constitution by centralizing the nation during the War Between the States. One of the evil fruits of this war was the permanent federal “sin” tax on liquor and tobacco, to say nothing of the federal income tax, an abomination and a tyranny even more oppressive than an excise.
Why didn’t previous historians know about this widespread non-violent rebellion? Because both sides engaged in an “open conspiracy” to cover up the facts. Obviously, the rebels didn’t want to call a lot of attention to their being in a state of illegality.
Washington, Hamilton, and the Cabinet covered up the extent of the revolution because they didn’t want to advertise the extent of their failure. They knew very well that if they tried to enforce, or send an army into, the rest of the back-country, they would have failed. Kentucky and perhaps the other areas would have seceded from the Union then and there. Both contemporary sides were happy to cover up the truth, and historians fell for the deception.
The Whiskey Rebellion, then, considered properly, was a victory for liberty and property rather than for federal taxation. Perhaps this lesson will inspire a later generation of American taxpayers who are so harried and downtrodden as to make the whiskey or stamp taxes of old seem like Paradise...........
This all spells a monstrous Jueing. The Jues are the great epic chiselers in any society. Mfg is offshored ptly so the Jue middlemen can make out like bandits on the shipping.

(They tried to civilize the poor girl, but it was a miserable thing. The strangest thing is that wild children adapt to weather as if they had animal fur -- cold means nothing to them! If humans will kindly stop reproducing, no more wild children. No more politicians, no more Izrul, no more war.....)
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-19 4:57:15 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Turtle (#22)
I am a former newspaper reporter and editor

Lmao. You're trying to sell us that YOU know the truth because you were once a newspaper reporter and editor? It's narrow minded mainstreamers like you that have been spewing lies and bullshit for ions! Thank God for the researchers and journalists (those you call conspironuts whose water you couldn't carry) in alternative media.

christine posted on 2016-06-20 21:55:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: christine, Turtle (#32)
You're trying to sell us that YOU know the truth because you were once a newspaper reporter and editor?

He went to J-School, why isn't that a valid enough credential for people like you and I? Only the best and brightest get into J-School.
If you wewe a twee...
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-20 21:58:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Dakmar (#33)
The internet has killed any need for j-schools. Thank God.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-20 22:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: christine (#32)
its sort of interesting and peculiar to observe this phenomenon. it occurs 'in real life' and on the web in internet communities too. The people who are aware or 'see' the conspiracies usually try to show others what is going on, to help them see things as they are. this is for the others well being. but on the other hand, if someone doesn't see it, and doesn't want to see it, and doesn't care, or scoffs at it, and doesn't want to be 'helped', then who really gives a shit? I mean, as long as that person isn't a part of your life, then what they believe or don't believe will not affect you in any way, usually. if it were someone who was actually in your life, who you were at odds with on these matters, that would be quite different.

a lot of people don't know anything about conspiracies at all, they live their lives, and then die, and they are none the better or worse for it.

for me, a lot of these shooting conspiracies, which I cannot even keep track of anymore, it doesn't really matter if they're false or not. the main thing is that people should not surrender their 2A because of it. Whether its real or not, the important point is that no one should be convinced to give up their gun rights.

if someone blames guns, and wants to restrict the rights of the people, they're a commie and screwed in the head. they're an enemy. whether so called 'crisis actors' were used or not, which actually sounds quite bizarre, even to me, is irrelevant. don't get me wrong I'm not turning into a scoffer of conspiracies. not at all. I am just saying that a lot of this endless minutia, to me, simply does not matter.
its just like the scalia thing. yeah he died with a pillow over his head, and his prissy lawyer son went on tv and scolded 'conspiracy theorists' who were soiling his dads image. the guy had 12 kids and none of them gave a shit he died with a pillow over his face? then if his own family doesn't give a shit why should I??? lol seriously?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-20 22:49:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Artisan (#35)
the guy had 12 kids and none of them gave a shit he died with a pillow over his face? then if his own family doesn't give a shit why should I??? lol seriously?

We should care because he was our public servant. We should care because these things in the public arena have public repercussions that affect everyone. When good people stop caring evil triumphs. But thats just my opinion from my perspective. Your results may vary.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-20 23:07:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: titorite (#36)
We should care because he was our public servant. We should care because these things in the public arena have public repercussions that affect everyone. When good people stop caring evil triumphs. But thats just my opinion from my perspective. Your results may vary.

I mean, in a situation like that, such as a sandy hook or an old Italian judge, I have no standing or jusrisdiction to make results happen. I cannot pressure anyone or raise hell about it to any avail if it does not involved my family or my property, so, there is nothing to do.

it's sort of like the bible verse when Jesus tells his disciples that if they aren't welcomed then to wipe the dust from their feet and move on to elsewhere.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-20 23:16:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Artisan (#35)
it's the arrogance, Martin.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 0:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: christine (#0)
The first and 3rd element shown are not convincing to me of anything faked.
The guy with red shoes is not shown walking at all. At least I don't see it. They do stop and he stands without the assistance of one of the guys who carried him, but maybe with the help of the other guy and/or someone else. We cannot see that. But there's no footage of him walking at all, much less walking normally.
On the last clip with the interview, I saw a post somewhere where one of the patrons was describing how he held a door shut to protect himself in spite of others on the other side wanting to pass through it.
The footage of them allegedly carrying wounded towards Pulse is something I can't offer a counter explanation to, though. I'd want to see a map of the whole area, for 2-4 blocks in all directions.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 2:56:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Artisan (#37)
I cannot pressure anyone or raise hell about it to any avail if it does not involved my family or my property, so, there is nothing to do.

No. Not for me. I may be along for the same ride but i believe if their is absolutly nothing else i can do, i can know the truth, share the truth, and act in a better manner in truth.
Amd if i can not enlighten someone else to the truth i may move on to the next person, but i wont give up on humanity. I wont turn my back on soceity content to seclude my world and my concerns to my family alone.
I wont because i have family.
A most wonderful woman and a great child.
This sort of shit effects them too. I dont want them to be sucked into the lies, i dont want them tuned by propaganda. And as shit gets worse, as soceity continues down this fucked up slope, if things dont change i want them to be empowered to handle anything, to reject the mark, to know grace, to know truth.
So it behooves me to care.... to speak on it. To try and effect change for the better.
All evil needs to win is for good people to do nothing. So maybe the false flag doesnt affct me or mine personally, but i still care and i still feel that drive that want to do something.
Even if all can do is condemn the lie.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-21 3:14:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Pinguinite (#39)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?
And what of the parents so happy about their dead children but so angry about the avilablity of guns?
To say nothing about the lack of shells or bullet holes. Over one hundred on target rounds, how many more misses would their be?
Their are many forensic aspects that call everything about this hoax into question for me.
I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-21 3:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: titorite (#41) (Edited)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?

I didn't see that at all. At that point about all that's visible is his foot. I don't see it moev at all, and it is he foot of the wounded leg. As for why they'd set him down, I think that's over analyzing. People get tired. Maybe the guy being carried was uncomfortable and wanted to stop for a minute. Should they carry him for the next 3 miles? Should they hold him off the ground until an ambulance arrives?

I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.

I'm confident 911 was a real event in the sense that the towers really did collapse. One question I have when I hear people call this and other events "false flags": Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.
That distinction needs to be made clear.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 3:40:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Pinguinite (#42)
Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.

I mean it as the latter. I don't believe that people don't die, but I do believe they are staged and carried out by more than a lone patsy.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 10:31:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: All, Christine, Lod, titorite (#39)
Spent a few minutes and found a map of the area, which marks the Stand Up MRI, Duncan Donuts, and the Pulse nightclub, and it does seem they were carrying wounded down the sidewalk in the general direction of Pulse.
However, they were also being carried in the general direction of the Orlando Regional Medical Center, which is about 6 blocks away from that location.
Here's a map, compliments of the Stand Up MRI.
www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=28.518827~-81.376900&lvl=16&sty=r&q=2010%20South%20Orange%20Avenue%20Orlando,%20FL%2032806&form=LMLTCC
In any event, seeing wounded carried in the direction of Pulse is not necessarily a sign of fakery. It should be remembered that it would have been a very chaotic situation with over 100 people killed or wounded. In an emergency situation, everyone would be running everywhere in all directions, and wounded people would flee or be taken somewhere most expedient for safety. Afterwards, when the danger is gone with the shooter dead, people, including wounded, can then relocate short distances for whatever reasons. They could be because lying down on concrete is not comforable. Maybe they lived nearby and wanted to go to their home/apartment. Maybe where most people went first was just too crowded. The less seriously wounded people would not have been attended to first by parametics, which are probably all those shown in the video being carried.
In a nutshell, it would have been a very chaotic scene as something almost no one involved was expecting or prepared for. So making too much out of the direction people were carried is just that, IMO.
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.
There is a time and place for paranoia. It can be a good and valid survival mechanism. But we still need to keep our feet on the ground in perceiving the reality around us. The USA is a country of 350 million people. The odds of a handful out of that number being willing and able to do what happened in Orlando is about as close to 100% as it can get without being 100%. Also, the government does not have God-like powers of ultimate control over the entire population. Individual people can do things to make national headline news.
My 2c.
PS: Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 14:18:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Thanks for bringing the information and your thoughts to us. We'll likely never know the full truth of this event, like all the rest of them.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-21 14:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Lod (#45)
You're welcome. I am confident the gov does have a motivated interest is keeping the country at war of whatever type perpetually. It's easier to control the population that way, and except for the fact that the Orlando shooting, as depicted, will help Trump in the polls, the effects are otherwise fine for the PTB's. More gun control and more reason to wage wars in the Middle East.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 15:20:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

No worries. I appreciate your thoughts. I'll have more to add later. ;)

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:06:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Pinguinite (#46)
Watch this. Try not to be influenced by the narrator although I agree with him. ;) Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior. This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:15:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: christine (#48)
Thanks, Chrissy. Is there a link or youtube that's supposed to be there?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 19:37:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: christine (#48)
When I worked for the State of Illinois, before they rebuilt I-94 Edens Expressway, the State construction crew was breaking out full depth holes in the left lane of the three lane expressway.
The State Police were chasing a car with two black guys in it. They drove into the lane closure and hit the first full depth hole (12 inches deep). The two front tires went flying off the car. One of the black guys got out of the car and said, "Man, look what you did to my car!" The Trooper had to arrest them both to keep the crew from killing them.
I know it is off topic, but it just popped into my head. I am thankful to remember anything that happened that long ago. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-21 22:04:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Pinguinite (#49)
uhhh..yes. LOL. I forgot. I was in a hurry to get to a dance lesson.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 22:31:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=post-footer&utm_campaign=Sharing

I’m Former NYPD: Here’s Why I Suspect There Was More Than One Shooter In Orlando

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#52)
patch.com/florida/southtampa/orlando-shooting-latest-timeline-transcripts-released

And why is it that we don't get to actually HEAR Mateen's call??? There are conflicting accounts of what he said. Some say he said Allah, but now this transcript shows he said God. Plus the fact that he supposedly texted his wife and posted on Facebook all while taking in excess of 120 shots??
What bullshit.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:25:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Pinguinite (#49)
www.freedomsphoenix.com/N...ld-be-the-smoking-gun.htm

G. Edward Griffin: This Story Could Be the Smoking Gun For All False-Flag Ops

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:36:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Pinguinite (#49)
memoryholeblog.com/2016/0...-shooting-in-u-s-history/

Excerpt:
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)
– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]
– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)
– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]
– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]
– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:42:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: christine (#48)
Yes, I did not like the narration which is hardly toned to allow the viewer to make up his own mind and let the video speak for itself. I searched youtube and found the original and watched it without any commentary.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0yN_qM_ZeM

Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior.

I admit her behaviour is indeed weird. She is smiling when she comes onto the camera, so much so that Cooper comments on it. I will say to start that some people really are weird. It's also true that people can react to tragedy in unexpected ways. If she's a crisis actor, then we might agree she's a lousy one, but what conclusion would we draw from that? That CNN would hire lousy actors to stage things like this? That the shootings in Orlando never happened? Maybe they did happen, but CNN couldn't find any parents of deceased gay people willing to be interviewed, so they had her pretend to be one just because they really wanted to do this interview. (That's one I could buy into, as I remember the supposed satellite interview on one of these networks where the same bus passes behind both anchors seconds apart).
So yes, they fake interviews, but even if the interview above is fake, that wouldn't mean the shootings didn't occur. But if giving the benefit of a doubt about this woman and assuming she really is the mother of one of the deceased, then yes, I'd say she's weird.

This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

I think camera crews will certainly include lighting hands to illuminate the area at night.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: All (#55)
Here's a very interesting comment to the Memory Hole article:
paulydeathwish says: June 15, 2016 at 6:48 AM
I would bring up a few further points about Florida. As per G4S HQ in Jupiter, FL, this town was the setting for popular TV show American Horror Story’s fourth season. Times of India (in coded language?) calling Orlando an “American horror story”.
I believe it was Times of India which got the scoop on the head of Pakistani ISI wiring money to one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers in the days or weeks leading up to that event. The timing would be interesting in that Mahmoud Ahmed of ISI was in D.C. on 9/11 meeting with Porter Goss and another legislator (if I remember correctly) during the attacks.
More importantly, does the Orlando attack exhibit an emerging trend of false flags by happening at night? We know the Paris attacks (Le Bataclan, etc.) happened at night. Maybe previous attacks happened in broad daylight. Did the cover of darkness allow for inflated casualty numbers?
G4S is really headquartered in London, UK, but they do have this North American HQ in Jupiter, FL. Why was this patsy hanging around headquarters? Don’t they operate nationwide? This could be another case of someone thinking he’s participating in a drill. Then drill gets flipped live, he gets whacked and left at crime scene, and a couple of pro assassins mow down some homosexuals.
Could also be Sandy Hook with the benefit of night.
Same lame pictures are in high rotation…from Fox News to ABC. If I was trying to convince credulous people that this event was fake, I would tailor my coverage in exactly the way I’ve seen (with the extremely few (all uninteresting) pictures).
People start saying: “Hey, I’ve seen that photo before. And that one. Don’t they have any other photos? And if not, why not.” There are plenty of things to photograph in a real event. It doesn’t have to be gory stuff. Plenty of items and arrangements which should be disturbed by the mayhem.
Maybe only one photographer got to the scene in time to capture anything marginally relevant. This could be another reason for a night attack. Control the images. Block off the streets. Control the perimeter early on. One anointed photographer takes a baby’s handful of photos of a couple of bloodied passerbys.
Full-circle: Jupiter, FL is about 10 miles from Jupiter Island, Florida.
–Paul

christine posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: christine (#52)
Okay, I read this one, and he asks these questions:
First, I'll premise that while I myself have never been in law enforcement, I did my 3 years in the army and have fired live rounds from an M-16 rifle.
Q 1:

How did an untrained novice, with a unfamiliar weapons, under incredibly adverse high stress conditions, achieve reload and accuracy rates, and most importantly a casualty count, that exceeded those of the world’s best competition shooters and special operators?

Have you ever been in a crowded night club? I have been in places so crowded its hard to move. Walking into a place like that armed as he was alleged to be, the challenge would not be hitting, but rather missing. Competition shooters do not compete by shooting into rooms overflowing with targets.
#2, the .223 round is a high velocity round, as it's designed to be. One round fired into a crowded room could conceivably strike 2-4 people if they are, say, all struck in the arms or otherwise in areas where there is little flesh to stop the round.
We also don't know how familiar or unfamiliar he was with the weapons. Just because they were bought recently doesn't mean he did not have prior training with them, and at minimum, it's reasonable to expect he would have practiced reloading prior to the attack. Certainly while reloading the long gun, he could have had his hand gun to keep people at bay.
High stress conditions: Remedied with drugs taken prior to the attack, which cops don't do, or shouldn't do, particularly when such events are unpredictable.
His Q2:

How did he carry the necessary weapons and ammunition into Pulse Nightclub on a hot Florida summer night without arousing the suspicion of one patron, staff member, or bouncer before firing shots?

He likely did arouse suspicion, but that's not the question. The question is, how much time goes by between people becoming suspicious and the time he begins shooting? Sure if you go back in time to the Pulse night club and wait for him, knowing exactly what he'll do, as soon as you see him you can take him down.
But people at the nightclub aren't expecting anything but a good time. The sight of someone with weapons approaching the club might be that he's a police officer. Unless someone can figure out within 15-30 seconds after being confused that something is terribly wrong, their suspicions won't help them.
I don't find this ex-cops write up to be a compelling argument. Maybe with more facts, it can be, like the total number of rounds fired by the shooter(s). It could be he only fired 70-80 rounds total, killing 49 and wounding another 50. For me, that's a credible possibility.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:28:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: christine (#53)
And why is it that we don't get to actually HEAR Mateen's call??? There are conflicting accounts of what he said. Some say he said Allah, but now this transcript shows he said God. Plus the fact that he supposedly texted his wife and posted on Facebook all while taking in excess of 120 shots??

The FBI and feds are too busy trying to cover up stuff so Muslims don't look bad. That may well be why any references to Allah would be xlated to "God". If that's the case, they are of course wrong to do so, but that could be why. I say that with no knowledge of the transcripts. Such actions though would not mean the shooting didn't occur, or even that there were multiple shooters.
He was alive for 2-3 hours after he started shooting. When exactly did he text his wife or post on facebook? I see no reason why he wouldn't have time for both after the initial shooting.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:33:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#54)
G. Edward Griffin: This Story Could Be the Smoking Gun For All False-Flag Ops

I did a search on the guy's name: James Wesley Howell CNN has their version of the story:
edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/
Hard to say. He could be mentally unstable. CNN's mention of explosives is limited to:

"and a 5-gallon bucket with chemicals that could be used to create an explosive device, officials said."

A bit more subdued from "car full of explosives and weapons".
I don't know. It should be looked into. On the other hand, the guy could be a loony, perhaps with schizophrenia who deludedly turned himself in after hearing about the shooting in Orlando.
It certainly should be looked into more deeply for actual links to Orlando.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:48:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: christine (#55)
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)

But we already have footage of visibly injured people. We've seen that above. And plenty of emergency lights.

– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]

This is all subjective.

– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)

Since when have politicians been experts in who their constituents are?

– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]

Meaning what? Is this author arguing the events were faked, or real but planned? It cannot be both.

– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]

Meaning what?

– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

Again, meaning what? They sell 2017 cars when it's still 2016. Mistakes are made, or news sites might be in the habit of doing alternate date stamps for press time reporting reasons.
All in all, Chrissy, some of the complaints you've reposted on this thread imply there were multiple shooters, while others are implying the shooting never happened. It cannot be both. Finding evidence of both pretty much invalidates both theories.
I will say this. We humans do have the unique ability to find whatever we seek, even if what we seek does not exist. Anyone who is convinced an event did not happen who looks for evidence it didn't will be successful. It's in the power of our minds to do so. Remaining objective and balanced while considering alternate possibilities is a very serious challenge.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 2:03:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Pinguinite (#61)
Shell casings and bullets holes. the floor should be covered , littered in shell casings and the walls and other objects should be riddled with bullet holes .... to say nothing about how long it would take a hazmat team to.clean it all up after the police properly investigated. That club should never open again if this was all as presented on teevee...
Man if grayLmist were still.here. she.could probably break it all down better than any of.us.

But above all, parents dont smile and laugh when their children are murdered. Hands dont deflect bullets. And the propaganda engine of the us media is getting stronger if you think.this was real as presented.

Youre entitled to your opinion on it pingunite. But if the proponderence of.evidence doesnt make.you suscpiciius ......then i dont know.what more.could be said to.encourage critical thinking. God speed.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
titorite posted on 2016-06-22 4:40:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: christine, Pinguinite (#57)
What Pinguinite says in response to claims of outright hoax is well grounded. However there facts and impressions that are open to question.
First of all, there is the strange three hour delay in the insertion of SWAT teams after the initial response. One of the lesson of Columbine and similar shootings was that LE should move in as soon as possible instead of dawdling around outside of a structure where there is an ongoing attack.
Secondly, there are the strange videos of victims trapped in the club that night. A young man and a young woman recount their ordeal in a strange sort of disconnected monotone that seems almost rehearsed. The injuries that they are supposed to have sustained don't seem consistent with their condition at the time of the interview. Subjectively there is something odd about the way thy describe their experiences. Objectively, when you examine the body language, there are a lot of "tells" that strongly suggest deception. I don't know what this means. You all fill in the blanaks.
Last, there is the HUGE pass that the shooter got from the FBI and his employer, G4S. It is beyond strange - to me anyway.

G4S confirmed in a statement that Omar Mateen had worked for the company since 2007, and said it was “shocked and saddened” by the shooting. A later statement said that Mateen was subject to “detailed company screening” in 2007 and again in 2013, “with no adverse findings.”
But one of Mateen’s former coworkers told the New York Times that he “saw it coming,” that Mateen “talked about killing people all the time,” and that he was “always angry, sweating, just angry at the world.”
The coworker, who said he quit his job due to harassment from Mateen, explained that he “complained multiple times” to G4S, because Mateen didn’t like “blacks, women, lesbians, and Jews.”
Orlando Shooter Wasn't the First Murderer Employed By Global Mercenary Firm

By the way, the FBI seem to have lost contact with an important player in this catastrophe. Not the steely eyed G-men of Hoover's day, that's for certain.

Loretta Lynch Admits That Federal Authorities Have Lost The Orlando Shooter's Wife

According to CNN, Federal investigators are trying to find out more specifically what Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman (profiled here), knew about the planned attack at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. The intent is to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether or not charges will be brought against Salman.
However there is one rather large problem with one key person in the investigation, it appears that Noor Salman is missing and may not even be in the state of Florida anymore. 67,166 JUN 22, 2016 5:31 AM 355
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-21/loretta-lynch-admits-federal- authorities-have-lost-orlando-shooters-wife

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 9:13:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: randge (#63)
The CF continues full-speed ahead; thanks for the good summary.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-22 10:02:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: randge (#63)
Very good summation. For me, there are far too many "anomalies" to believe the MSM account.
But, to each their own.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 10:23:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Pinguinite, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#44)
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.

I agree with what you said and particularly the part in bold. The trend seems to have swayed from a 'false flag/set up patsies' meme to a completely bizarre 'everything is fake, no one ever dies, there are no humans involved' position. That is completely bonkers and bizarre, and it does seem to be something that would be propagated by the government itself to make those who understand false flag events (which are covered in army manuals and have been ADMITTED BY GOVERNMENTS officially, and declassified hundreds of times) to be discredited in the eyes of the public. (See 42 FALSE- FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO).

Furthermore, since the government has NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about killing dozens, hundreds, thousands or even millions of innocents, (as secretary of state madeline Albright admitted that 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children was 'worth it') There is NO REASON that government would have to 'make up victims' or 'fake deaths'. No reason at all. And actually, people who understand the spiritual nature of these government crimes would understand that these people are satanic and actually FEED off of ritual human sacrifice, (not 'mannequin sacrifice' or 'crisis actor sacrifice'.)
that does not mean I'm saying that crisis actors are never used or that they don't exist- I pointed out that clearly a mannequin was used in the aftermath of the LAX shooting a few years ago, CBS 2 showed extensive 15 minute video, live, when the first responders pushed a snow white obvious department store mannequin in a wheelchair thru LAX to a waiting ambulance, it was hilarious.

But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 10:55:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
COINTELPRO = create a shitstorm in a house of mirrors
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 11:12:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Artisan (#66)
this Mateen guy was framed

Are you alleging that Mateen was randomly kidnapped off of the Mean Streets of Orlando and rope-bound and delivered to Club Pulse and executed at close range by shadowy figures wearing black????????? Nobody, not even his father, has suggested such outlandish shenanigans "He was such a good boy, he was shopping for chicken at the local deli and just DISAPPEARED!!!!". He was not a first- timer to visit Pulse, not at all.
If all of the massacres/shootings committed by muslims in the West since 1959 were instead perpetrated by White men who Just Happened to be known Pre-Vatican II Catholics who openly despised the modern world with it's moral decay do you think that nothing would be said about that common denominator???
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 11:44:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: X-15 (#68)
lol, I didn't write that, it was a quote from pinguinite.

I havent even followed this shooting, and am frankly not really interested in it. the jist of my post was simply that all this 'everything is fake' , 'nobody died, they were all actors' stuff which we hear every time one of these things happens is most likely propogated by the government.

they DO set up patsies though, and its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time. I don't know any of the details of this and do not even care to delve into it, I was simply making a broader point.
the main thing as i see it is that conservatives should teach libs that this kind of thing is never a reason to try to take guns or restrict God given gun rights.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 11:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Artisan (#69)
its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time

Mmmm....look at his targets (drunk/high queers in a club). Look at who was targeted in Paris. Look at who was targeted in San Bernardino. Hell, look at who was targeted at Fort Hood: unarmed locals who would be powerless to prevent their own deaths.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 12:01:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: All (#70)
If you all will just catch WRH each weekday I think this will answer all. Among all rightist analysts, he is nobody's fool. To enjoy it sans commercials, just go to youtube Tuesdays thru Saturdays, search WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, and it's the 1st of many episodes piled up.

(I know -- it's too horrible for words. But what can we do? It's the culture now.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love humanity -- it's the people I can't stand.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 12:20:58 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: All (#71)
mp3.logosradionetwork.com/INN/64k/INN_Radio_2016-06-21_64k.mp3

Here is a very good conversation with Tom Kiely, Wayne Madsen, and Scott Creighton regarding the Orlando shooting and much, much more including evidence of the FBI's manufacturing of these plots. "The real question is how many of them do they allow to go live."
Begin at 1:04. Worth the time, imo.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 14:21:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Turtle, NeoconsNailed (#22)
I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and I know bullshit when I see it.

Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".
And now you posture as someone who weighs the evidence before reaching the same foregone conclusion?
According to your consistent, bended knee dismissals anything that govt would disapprove or deny is "bullshit".
Let's assume for the moment that you are a chickenshit state worshiper who is simply incapable of risking govt ire. What would you do differently?
*sounds of crickets*
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-22 14:33:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
I haven't been here a few years and I'm sure I've never said that. You're clearly mistaking me for somebody else.
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 15:07:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: christine, bump (#72)
Bump

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-06-22 15:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Artisan, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
Thinking more on the interview, it is rather surreal. Not only the woman smiling when she comes on, but Cooper holding her hand and hugging her. I don't think I've even seen a newscaster do that after interviewing someone about a slain loved one.
I can agree that it is more likely than not a staged interview with an actor. It reminds me of this event:

This clip is all over the net including being the subject of ridicule on someone's comedian show. I searched for a CNN response about it but found nothing. I guess the other networks aren't touching it either, perhaps because they can already relate to the practice.
I responded to Christine by PM about my thoughts on this after she opined that if the Orlando event was real, then there would be no need for crisis actors. But it's appropriate for this thread:
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Actually, I could see a "need" for crisis actors even if the event is real. (And this thought is coming to me in light of the scene you posted and asked about with Cooper).
Consider this: Major news networks make money by showing stuff to the public. Orlando shooting happens. CNN execs want to respond. They show all the stuff from the event itself, but they also want to show the public some heartwarming scene about a gay person that died so unjustly. So they want to do some kind of personal interview with a family member of one of the those slain.
But they have a problem: No parents of any of the deceased gay people want to do an interview, either because of grief or because they don't want to broadcast to the world the fact that their now dead son was gay. But CNN execs still want to do a segment like the one they made. Soooooo....... they hire a crisis actor to play the part. They justify it to the actor in saying that some parents would like to do it but they can't because they are grief stricken, so would you play the part and talk about one of the gay kids was "part of Orlando? It's for the good of humanity.
So she agrees and does it. She's smiling because she's on TV and can't really help it. But she then plays the part.
The photos are real deceased. The family doesn't mind the stand-in actor because it's still honoring their boy. Cooper does the touching hug scene which, yes, is surreal in itself.
So, in the end, the shooting was real, the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor.
Plausible?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 16:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Plausible?

I contend that anyone who even gives a shit about ANY of this is blessed beyond their own comprehension, because they have ample resources and (way too much?) spare time, which many in America and across the world do not.

yes, that includes me, but I realize it. :-)
I should really go feed some hungry people or something.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 16:36:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Pinguinite (#76)
the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor

Good take on this. You've got these broadcasters' number.
Lest we forget what CNN is capable of, remember the CNN fake Iraq War SCUD attack reports.

CNN Fake Iraq War Newscast Footage
Hokey attack footage at around 7:00.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 17:12:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".

Impossible conspiracies don't exist - Boston and Orlando false flags, bombs in towers, remote-controlled airplanes, the moon landing shot on a stage, thee shooters on Kennedy.
Three guys shooting and burying Hoffa...yeah, that exists.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-22 17:17:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: christine (#0)
At the .25 mark I see the dude in the red shoes standing.

purplerose posted on 2016-06-22 17:30:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: Turtle (#79)
bombs in towers, remote-controlled airplanes

excuse my French but are you retarded? don't you know the feds admitted supplying the bombs to their patsy in the '93 wtc attack?

and patents for remote controlled planes have existed since before I was born.
c'mon man use your smarts.
also, educate yourself and read this. (or are all these official admissions of false flags, and the u.s. military manuals, all some "big conspiracy in you mind,' where the government is admitting things is a fake conspiracy they admitted, to get attention? fucking a. That kind of inane stupidity is why people deride you here. 42 FALSE-FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 17:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: Artisan (#66)
Furthermore, since the government has NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about killing dozens, hundreds, thousands or even millions of innocents, (as secretary of state madeline Albright admitted that 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children was 'worth it') There is NO REASON that government would have to 'make up victims' or 'fake deaths'. No reason at all. And actually, people who understand the spiritual nature of these government crimes would understand that these people are satanic and actually FEED off of ritual human sacrifice, (not 'mannequin sacrifice' or 'crisis actor sacrifice'.)

I agree with that.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:12:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: Artisan, Turtle (#81)
and patents for remote controlled planes have existed since before I was born.

We have had rc drones since mid 1930s: Culver PQ-14 Cadet
Hell, all you need is the right sized servo hooked to the right lever or button and tuned to the right frequency. On/Off is easy, modulation is more complex.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 18:22:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Pinguinite (#76)
No. No. No. That is completely deceptive and anyone that has two brain cells stirring can see it. When did all this bullshit propaganda begin anyway? After 9/11? And how about the new law that governments are permitted to lie/propagandize without fear of punishment?
Good lord almighty, we live in the Twilight Zone (or is it hell) now.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:24:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: Artisan, Turtle (#81)
dude still believes that Oswald was the lone shooter. so, yeah, he's retarded.
he is OFTEN WRONG BUT NEVER IN DOUBT.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:28:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: Pinguinite, all (#76)
So, in the end, the shooting was real, the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor.

It's entirely possible. These things don't have to be all either/or, umerous gradations could figure in from story to story. But I believe there is massive fakery in every single one that makes big trauma headlines.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love humanity -- it's the people I can't stand.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 18:51:19 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: NeoconsNailed (#86)
NYT: Muslim Swimming Pools Are ‘Inclusive,’ Jewish Pools Are ‘Theocratic’

NN, I think you'll dig there irony here.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 18:57:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Actually, I could see a "need" for crisis actors even if the event is real.

Fustus wif da mostus. We don wanna get sued though, so here, look at this...
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 19:02:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Dakmar (#87)
That is riotous beyond compare, Dak!!!
How CAN this be happening -- the psychotic bending of every last atom of our lives toward the wonders of "diversity". It is CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY nothing but a Jue racket all about gutting white Christian life, robbing us of our souls, selves and very senses. Unfortunately, it's a smash success -- 70+ years' worth.

(Blind people also also lift their "gaze" upward by 30 to 50 degrees, e.g. when they're thinking hard about something. Very touching because it's so real and not at all affected like when sighted Jues do it -- which they do.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love humanity -- it's the people I can't stand.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 20:25:18 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Cynicom, Phant2000, Turtle, randge, Lod, BTP Holdings, Christine (#79)
Impossible conspiracies don't exist

What about Boston or 9/11 would make them physical impossibilities?
("The govt has gone rogue and is in open rebellion against us? I can't believe it!". Says Turdle to his gutless mirror image. "Otherwise I'd have to admit that I've been a dupe cheerleader while swelling up with false pride for risking nothing."
"I proudly agree with the tyrants!" (whose enemies just happen to meet horrible fates) says the fucking invertebrate whose claim to superiority rests entirely on anonymous cheap shots and sophomoric anti logic.
The only correlation I see between the acts of govt horror you deny is your abject fear of the consequences (at family gatherings or, in your fave watering hole perhaps) of agreeing with the govt's enemies. They must be impossible conspiracies, or Bruiser The Dart Champ will beat the white off your ass for "siding with the hippie commie fags", right?
Your broad, sweeping dismissals of all of the psyops and MK-Ultra schemes shows your inability to distinguish between your religious beliefs and the real world possibilities that can and do exist. (possibilities that are totally consistent with human nature, unlike the "ethical, angelic, self policing govt hive mind" your silly assertions support as having control and wielding power, free of the temptation for tyranny)
Your blindness to govt's not so cleverly hidden evil requires no courage and (hopefully) no possibility of sacrifice. (Insert fervent prayer here, A guy can't be too careful, right?)
And the pisser is, your beliefs are not based on a careful study of their skilfully written dogma, but on your quivering fear of their "Hell". (Govt denies complicity so therefore the critics/whistleblowers are either stupid or lying. (1+1=3!)
Keen analyses, who needs it? After all, govt would never conspire with robber barons and industry to control every facet of our lives or the world's resources)
What do you think Lincoln meant when he said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time."? Do you believe that the rabbit hole only went as deep as rigged (and proven) military contracts to resell the same defective arms to the war effort? According to you it's "impossible" that govt does things that they are forced to lie about to avoid being hanged for treason. But, they're as determined to avoid exposure as you are to avoid "the possibility" that govt is run by powerful people in the shadows, and faux democracy and rigged elections are a playpen that create the illusion of political involvement.
I mean, just how stupid does one have to be to believe that Bob Dole was the best Republican candidate in the whole country to beat a younger, telegenic swindler who is sponsored by the Rockefellers?

You will not grasp absolute truths that exist in the abstract, such as "The Clinton body count is far too high and self serving to be a matter of good fortune or chance."
And, for 22 material witnesses to the JFK assassination to die under suspicious circs (all of whom could have testified to material evidence that didn't fit the bogus Warren Commission narrative) was so hot that no American statisticians would touch it. But a Canadian think tank crunched the numbers and found that the odds against those deaths were about 10 to the 16th power, to one. (1) Which is to say, impossible. That's like betting that if you filtered and mixed the sand on the world's beachs, random chance would assemble a zero point energy spacecraft, with no intelligent understanding of its power source.
So, to you "impossible" means "too scary to contemplate the loss of your kiss ass loyalist gold star". To me it means "odds so long that it has never happened since your no brain-stem ancestors were crapped out and left behind by the earliest microscopic forms of life."
If you couldn't hold it in your hands (and probably bludgeon your former women with it) then like a child you simply refuse to accept the abstract yet absolute truths proven by such revelations.
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-26 18:29:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
After all, govt would never conspire with robber barons and industry to control every facet of our lives or the world's resources

Control of the people and the world's resources has been a main objective of wars fought for millennia. Is there any reason this would change? ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-26 19:53:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
Perfect rant, thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-26 20:37:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: christine (#51)
While looking for other videos, I found this.
At 3:00 minutes in, an interview with what is most certainly the same woman who was smiling. This appears to have been done the morning of the incident, seemingly before she knew of her son's fate. Only this time, her displayed emotions are much more in line of what would be expected.

If she is an actor, she did a much better job here than in the interview with Cooper. As I said though, some people are weird. Human psychology does not always give expected results.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-27 2:52:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine (#66)
But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.

Spot on.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker posted on 2016-06-27 3:05:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, Christine, Rotara, Turtle (#91)
Control of the people and the world's resources has been a main objective of wars fought for millennia. Is there any reason this would change? ;)

The captured slaves of Roman conquests had no illusions about the nature of govt power and the goals to be achieved.
But, The US was "conceived in liberty" as a "shining beacon on a hill", and therefore it took the combined skills of Edward Bernays, the Tavistock queers, Big Steel, American Fruit, CIA, etc., to slip it to us without our knowledge or consent.
Like mosquitoes, vampire bats and leeches who begin their parasitic feeding with an anaesthetic to avoid alerting their hosts to their plunders of blood, the shadow govt has seized control of education, media and the public consciousness. The result is that we cannot even announce our suspicions without govt's approval, lest we be set upon by vicious outhouse keepers like Turdle, who childishly demand signed confessions as proof of evil conspiracies. He cannot conceive of the existence of evil unless the Devil himself admits to "Rosemary's rape" and the goal of harvesting souls.
Jefferson said, "Education is not a luxury, but a moral condition". We can extrapolate from ol' Massa Thom that America's unique form of self govt by sovereign people was not intended for foreigners who only know how to bow to warlords. (It seems to me that Asians would be content to recreate the tyranny from which they emigrated if permitted to do so. They seem to want a Ferdinand Marcos, Pol Pot or other strongman to rule over them. Where are the NGOs such as, "Asians For The Preservation Of The 2nd Amendment"?)
Americans are never told that the US is (or was) the only nation with a servant govt instead of hereditary seats of power, and sadly too many of the great unwashed believe that our freedom is a gift from our benevolent govt, instead of a birthright.
And, because of this vacuum of information we are being seduced/coerced into surrender. But, if true that "each thing contains within it the seeds of its own destruction", then the shadow govt's plan for world domination is by no means a foregone conquest.
You're a bright individual so I feel no need to elaborate on the ways that seeds may germinate.
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-27 10:12:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Lod (#92) (Edited)
Thank you my friend!
If loving Christine from afar is wrong then who among us wants to be right?__Mee neether.
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-27 10:12:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: Pinguinite (#93)
You know that when I was a young man in Chicago, I worked at the florist shop doing deliveries and picking up flowers at the wholesalers, etc. All of the designers were gay and the did not like women. They would always kid me about marching in the Clark St. (Gay Day) Parade. I never would because
I wasn't like that. I liked women, and one girl that worked up stairs got my cherry. LOL
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-27 17:01:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: HOUNDDAWG, randge (#95)
He cannot conceive of the existence of evil unless the Devil himself admits

very well stated posts & it's a pleasure to read your commentary here.
The above line is the crux of the issue. apart from your earlier comparison of religious-like blind faith in government, (I have seen other people who also often compare government worshipers, to religious faithful- such as Mike Rivero, who is an atheist, and is a person I like and respect.) But I would actually argue the opposite. Probably because of my admitted pro-religious, admittedly biased (and correct :-) point of view. So if you'll indulge me and allow me to do so here.
People who are religious and have a 'right mind' obviously have the discernment and common sense to see that evil is indeed very real, it exists and permeates everywhere. That evil men, inspired and sometimes even possessed by satan do indeed conspire, murder, plot, lie, etc. There should be nothing shocking about that to anyone other than a blind, witless idiot who lacks all grace, (grace, which is a gift from God.) (I know, I need to work on being more charitable, but I admit it is difficult.)

It reminds me of many years ago when I protested cardinal roger mahony outside the LA Cathedral with some others., many who themselves were actually victims of priest crimes. forever scarred. I was just doing my small part so it was quite funny when me and my sign (MAHONY: RESIGN IN SHAME NOW!!") was seen not only by a few hundred angry churchgoers, (Note: not all of them were angry, some agreed with me) but the photo rather was picked up by Rueters and ran in a front-page story in the orange county register. Man I thought that was damned funny and great.

A few days later, I showed one woman I knew through work, a Catholic woman with a husband a kids who was sort of a pal of mine. To my surprise, she immediately reacted negatively and said "I don't agree with that, you shouldn't do that." She couldn't explain WHY I "shouldn't do that" or why she believed that protesting perverts was wrong.

I always thought her reaction was very squirrely and never really liked her after that. I was still friendly of course, but, you know.

A few years later this same indignant woman who was 'so offended' not so much at the crimes of pervert priests but rather at the fact that any Catholic ever dare call them out on it, she left her husband and shacked up with her new boyfriend.

Ha! That explained it all. This woman who abandoned her sacred sacramental vow and two children, essentially a two-bit whore, never actually followed, understood, believed or adhered to the Catholic faith at all, she had no foundation, zero. Her indignant 'defense' of the church was more simpleton emotionalism, a defense of something she never actually understood or cherished. (In this thread we can compare it to turtle's blind support/belief/worship in all things government. That evil or conspiracies could never dare exist.)

Whereas I, the 'troublemaker', 'anti-Catholic' who 'dare' protest outside a Catholic church, and get international attention to an important issue, and shame the perverts, (that is actually a spiritual work of mercy, by the way, called "admonish the sinner.")

I was taught about rot in the church from the time I could talk. Such as the masonic, satanic fag infiltration of the church. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR CATHOLICS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADMIT ALL THIS!
"After all, if someone believes that there is a church that the son of God established, satan would NEVER ever dare try to destroy it, right?

Such thinking is insane and 100% retarded.

Of course satan tries to destroy it and has done a pretty damn good effort.

Many years ago my dad gave me a book about the document which the Vatican published many years ago about the masonic , satanic infiltration of the church from within . its called the alta ventida. [The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita A Masonic Blueprint for the Subversion of the Catholic Church, By John Vennari.
The author quotes the actual Masonic document, which both Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) and Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) asked to be published. This document describes the Masons' diabolical strategy to destroy the Church by infecting her leaders with Liberal ideas. Tells how they do not desire a masonic Pope, but rather a Pope infected with their ideas. Touches on Liberalism, the French Revolution, Freemasonry, Ecumenism, Modernism, the modernist conspiracy at Vatican II, and much more! An eye-opening book that every Catholic must read! 50 pgs,

These two homilies at the top of the page http://www.romans10seventeen.org/ [Formerly http://www.audiosancto.org/, my favorite website, which has recently been split up into three archive sites.]

The priest, far from deny the evil and modernism in the church, which largely began post Vatican II, explains all this stuff about evil in the church and the world so well. It is on par (even better, actually) with Bishop Sheen's sermons of the past. [See Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen discusses atheism, human freedom, and why God allows evil in the world 2/21/14.]

End Times, part 2: Operation of Error 2014- 11-30. Length: 35:25
End Times, part 1: The Great Apostasy Length: 34:36

Any Catholic who listens to these sermons should not have any trouble understanding Pope Francis, all the horrible things he says, and all the other stuff regarding this topic.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-07-03 13:10:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: FormerLurker (#94)
To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine

But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.

Spot on.

Thanks!
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-07-03 13:14:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: Artisan (#98)
With Francis, the Church has its own 0bama.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-07-03 13:20:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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