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Title: Follow Up On Orlando Pulse Club False Flag
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URL Source: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/06 ... orlando-pulse-club-false-flag/
Published: Jun 16, 2016
Author: Victurus Libertas
Post Date: 2016-06-16 10:07:20 by christine
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We were among the first ones to spot all the clues that point to a false flag when the Orlando supposed mass shooting at the Pulse club happened early Sunday morning June 12, 2016. As more reports came out and more interviews took place, it was even more and more obvious this was indeed, a false flag. If you are not yet convinced, I encourage you to watch the short videos below.
We all saw this guy with the red tennis shoes being carried with an alleged gun shot wound to the leg. Watch this video closely. Watch the “rescuers” put down the “victim” when they think they are out of the shot of the camera:

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#61. To: christine (#55)
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)

But we already have footage of visibly injured people. We've seen that above. And plenty of emergency lights.

– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]

This is all subjective.

– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)

Since when have politicians been experts in who their constituents are?

– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]

Meaning what? Is this author arguing the events were faked, or real but planned? It cannot be both.

– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]

Meaning what?

– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

Again, meaning what? They sell 2017 cars when it's still 2016. Mistakes are made, or news sites might be in the habit of doing alternate date stamps for press time reporting reasons.
All in all, Chrissy, some of the complaints you've reposted on this thread imply there were multiple shooters, while others are implying the shooting never happened. It cannot be both. Finding evidence of both pretty much invalidates both theories.
I will say this. We humans do have the unique ability to find whatever we seek, even if what we seek does not exist. Anyone who is convinced an event did not happen who looks for evidence it didn't will be successful. It's in the power of our minds to do so. Remaining objective and balanced while considering alternate possibilities is a very serious challenge.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 2:03:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Pinguinite (#61)
Shell casings and bullets holes. the floor should be covered , littered in shell casings and the walls and other objects should be riddled with bullet holes .... to say nothing about how long it would take a hazmat team to.clean it all up after the police properly investigated. That club should never open again if this was all as presented on teevee...
Man if grayLmist were still.here. she.could probably break it all down better than any of.us.

But above all, parents dont smile and laugh when their children are murdered. Hands dont deflect bullets. And the propaganda engine of the us media is getting stronger if you think.this was real as presented.

Youre entitled to your opinion on it pingunite. But if the proponderence of.evidence doesnt make.you suscpiciius ......then i dont know.what more.could be said to.encourage critical thinking. God speed.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
titorite posted on 2016-06-22 4:40:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: christine, Pinguinite (#57)
What Pinguinite says in response to claims of outright hoax is well grounded. However there facts and impressions that are open to question.
First of all, there is the strange three hour delay in the insertion of SWAT teams after the initial response. One of the lesson of Columbine and similar shootings was that LE should move in as soon as possible instead of dawdling around outside of a structure where there is an ongoing attack.
Secondly, there are the strange videos of victims trapped in the club that night. A young man and a young woman recount their ordeal in a strange sort of disconnected monotone that seems almost rehearsed. The injuries that they are supposed to have sustained don't seem consistent with their condition at the time of the interview. Subjectively there is something odd about the way thy describe their experiences. Objectively, when you examine the body language, there are a lot of "tells" that strongly suggest deception. I don't know what this means. You all fill in the blanaks.
Last, there is the HUGE pass that the shooter got from the FBI and his employer, G4S. It is beyond strange - to me anyway.

G4S confirmed in a statement that Omar Mateen had worked for the company since 2007, and said it was “shocked and saddened” by the shooting. A later statement said that Mateen was subject to “detailed company screening” in 2007 and again in 2013, “with no adverse findings.”
But one of Mateen’s former coworkers told the New York Times that he “saw it coming,” that Mateen “talked about killing people all the time,” and that he was “always angry, sweating, just angry at the world.”
The coworker, who said he quit his job due to harassment from Mateen, explained that he “complained multiple times” to G4S, because Mateen didn’t like “blacks, women, lesbians, and Jews.”
Orlando Shooter Wasn't the First Murderer Employed By Global Mercenary Firm

By the way, the FBI seem to have lost contact with an important player in this catastrophe. Not the steely eyed G-men of Hoover's day, that's for certain.

Loretta Lynch Admits That Federal Authorities Have Lost The Orlando Shooter's Wife

According to CNN, Federal investigators are trying to find out more specifically what Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman (profiled here), knew about the planned attack at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. The intent is to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether or not charges will be brought against Salman.
However there is one rather large problem with one key person in the investigation, it appears that Noor Salman is missing and may not even be in the state of Florida anymore. 67,166 JUN 22, 2016 5:31 AM 355
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-21/loretta-lynch-admits-federal- authorities-have-lost-orlando-shooters-wife

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 9:13:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: randge (#63)
The CF continues full-speed ahead; thanks for the good summary.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-22 10:02:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: randge (#63)
Very good summation. For me, there are far too many "anomalies" to believe the MSM account.
But, to each their own.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 10:23:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Pinguinite, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#44)
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.

I agree with what you said and particularly the part in bold. The trend seems to have swayed from a 'false flag/set up patsies' meme to a completely bizarre 'everything is fake, no one ever dies, there are no humans involved' position. That is completely bonkers and bizarre, and it does seem to be something that would be propagated by the government itself to make those who understand false flag events (which are covered in army manuals and have been ADMITTED BY GOVERNMENTS officially, and declassified hundreds of times) to be discredited in the eyes of the public. (See 42 FALSE- FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO).

Furthermore, since the government has NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about killing dozens, hundreds, thousands or even millions of innocents, (as secretary of state madeline Albright admitted that 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children was 'worth it') There is NO REASON that government would have to 'make up victims' or 'fake deaths'. No reason at all. And actually, people who understand the spiritual nature of these government crimes would understand that these people are satanic and actually FEED off of ritual human sacrifice, (not 'mannequin sacrifice' or 'crisis actor sacrifice'.)
that does not mean I'm saying that crisis actors are never used or that they don't exist- I pointed out that clearly a mannequin was used in the aftermath of the LAX shooting a few years ago, CBS 2 showed extensive 15 minute video, live, when the first responders pushed a snow white obvious department store mannequin in a wheelchair thru LAX to a waiting ambulance, it was hilarious.

But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 10:55:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
COINTELPRO = create a shitstorm in a house of mirrors
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 11:12:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Artisan (#66)
this Mateen guy was framed

Are you alleging that Mateen was randomly kidnapped off of the Mean Streets of Orlando and rope-bound and delivered to Club Pulse and executed at close range by shadowy figures wearing black????????? Nobody, not even his father, has suggested such outlandish shenanigans "He was such a good boy, he was shopping for chicken at the local deli and just DISAPPEARED!!!!". He was not a first- timer to visit Pulse, not at all.
If all of the massacres/shootings committed by muslims in the West since 1959 were instead perpetrated by White men who Just Happened to be known Pre-Vatican II Catholics who openly despised the modern world with it's moral decay do you think that nothing would be said about that common denominator???
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 11:44:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: X-15 (#68)
lol, I didn't write that, it was a quote from pinguinite.

I havent even followed this shooting, and am frankly not really interested in it. the jist of my post was simply that all this 'everything is fake' , 'nobody died, they were all actors' stuff which we hear every time one of these things happens is most likely propogated by the government.

they DO set up patsies though, and its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time. I don't know any of the details of this and do not even care to delve into it, I was simply making a broader point.
the main thing as i see it is that conservatives should teach libs that this kind of thing is never a reason to try to take guns or restrict God given gun rights.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 11:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Artisan (#69)
its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time

Mmmm....look at his targets (drunk/high queers in a club). Look at who was targeted in Paris. Look at who was targeted in San Bernardino. Hell, look at who was targeted at Fort Hood: unarmed locals who would be powerless to prevent their own deaths.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 12:01:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: All (#70)
If you all will just catch WRH each weekday I think this will answer all. Among all rightist analysts, he is nobody's fool. To enjoy it sans commercials, just go to youtube Tuesdays thru Saturdays, search WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, and it's the 1st of many episodes piled up.

(I know -- it's too horrible for words. But what can we do? It's the culture now.)
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 12:20:58 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: All (#71)
mp3.logosradionetwork.com/INN/64k/INN_Radio_2016-06-21_64k.mp3

Here is a very good conversation with Tom Kiely, Wayne Madsen, and Scott Creighton regarding the Orlando shooting and much, much more including evidence of the FBI's manufacturing of these plots. "The real question is how many of them do they allow to go live."
Begin at 1:04. Worth the time, imo.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 14:21:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Turtle, NeoconsNailed (#22)
I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and I know bullshit when I see it.

Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".
And now you posture as someone who weighs the evidence before reaching the same foregone conclusion?
According to your consistent, bended knee dismissals anything that govt would disapprove or deny is "bullshit".
Let's assume for the moment that you are a chickenshit state worshiper who is simply incapable of risking govt ire. What would you do differently?
*sounds of crickets*
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-22 14:33:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
I haven't been here a few years and I'm sure I've never said that. You're clearly mistaking me for somebody else.
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 15:07:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: christine, bump (#72)
Bump

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-06-22 15:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Artisan, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
Thinking more on the interview, it is rather surreal. Not only the woman smiling when she comes on, but Cooper holding her hand and hugging her. I don't think I've even seen a newscaster do that after interviewing someone about a slain loved one.
I can agree that it is more likely than not a staged interview with an actor. It reminds me of this event:

This clip is all over the net including being the subject of ridicule on someone's comedian show. I searched for a CNN response about it but found nothing. I guess the other networks aren't touching it either, perhaps because they can already relate to the practice.
I responded to Christine by PM about my thoughts on this after she opined that if the Orlando event was real, then there would be no need for crisis actors. But it's appropriate for this thread:
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Actually, I could see a "need" for crisis actors even if the event is real. (And this thought is coming to me in light of the scene you posted and asked about with Cooper).
Consider this: Major news networks make money by showing stuff to the public. Orlando shooting happens. CNN execs want to respond. They show all the stuff from the event itself, but they also want to show the public some heartwarming scene about a gay person that died so unjustly. So they want to do some kind of personal interview with a family member of one of the those slain.
But they have a problem: No parents of any of the deceased gay people want to do an interview, either because of grief or because they don't want to broadcast to the world the fact that their now dead son was gay. But CNN execs still want to do a segment like the one they made. Soooooo....... they hire a crisis actor to play the part. They justify it to the actor in saying that some parents would like to do it but they can't because they are grief stricken, so would you play the part and talk about one of the gay kids was "part of Orlando? It's for the good of humanity.
So she agrees and does it. She's smiling because she's on TV and can't really help it. But she then plays the part.
The photos are real deceased. The family doesn't mind the stand-in actor because it's still honoring their boy. Cooper does the touching hug scene which, yes, is surreal in itself.
So, in the end, the shooting was real, the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor.
Plausible?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 16:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Plausible?

I contend that anyone who even gives a shit about ANY of this is blessed beyond their own comprehension, because they have ample resources and (way too much?) spare time, which many in America and across the world do not.

yes, that includes me, but I realize it. :-)
I should really go feed some hungry people or something.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 16:36:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Pinguinite (#76)
the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor

Good take on this. You've got these broadcasters' number.
Lest we forget what CNN is capable of, remember the CNN fake Iraq War SCUD attack reports.

CNN Fake Iraq War Newscast Footage
Hokey attack footage at around 7:00.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 17:12:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".

Impossible conspiracies don't exist - Boston and Orlando false flags, bombs in towers, remote-controlled airplanes, the moon landing shot on a stage, thee shooters on Kennedy.
Three guys shooting and burying Hoffa...yeah, that exists.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-22 17:17:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: christine (#0)
At the .25 mark I see the dude in the red shoes standing.

purplerose posted on 2016-06-22 17:30:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: Turtle (#79)
bombs in towers, remote-controlled airplanes

excuse my French but are you retarded? don't you know the feds admitted supplying the bombs to their patsy in the '93 wtc attack?

and patents for remote controlled planes have existed since before I was born.
c'mon man use your smarts.
also, educate yourself and read this. (or are all these official admissions of false flags, and the u.s. military manuals, all some "big conspiracy in you mind,' where the government is admitting things is a fake conspiracy they admitted, to get attention? fucking a. That kind of inane stupidity is why people deride you here. 42 FALSE-FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 17:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: Artisan (#66)
Furthermore, since the government has NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about killing dozens, hundreds, thousands or even millions of innocents, (as secretary of state madeline Albright admitted that 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children was 'worth it') There is NO REASON that government would have to 'make up victims' or 'fake deaths'. No reason at all. And actually, people who understand the spiritual nature of these government crimes would understand that these people are satanic and actually FEED off of ritual human sacrifice, (not 'mannequin sacrifice' or 'crisis actor sacrifice'.)

I agree with that.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:12:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: Artisan, Turtle (#81)
and patents for remote controlled planes have existed since before I was born.

We have had rc drones since mid 1930s: Culver PQ-14 Cadet
Hell, all you need is the right sized servo hooked to the right lever or button and tuned to the right frequency. On/Off is easy, modulation is more complex.
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Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 18:22:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Pinguinite (#76)
No. No. No. That is completely deceptive and anyone that has two brain cells stirring can see it. When did all this bullshit propaganda begin anyway? After 9/11? And how about the new law that governments are permitted to lie/propagandize without fear of punishment?
Good lord almighty, we live in the Twilight Zone (or is it hell) now.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:24:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: Artisan, Turtle (#81)
dude still believes that Oswald was the lone shooter. so, yeah, he's retarded.
he is OFTEN WRONG BUT NEVER IN DOUBT.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 18:28:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: Pinguinite, all (#76)
So, in the end, the shooting was real, the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor.

It's entirely possible. These things don't have to be all either/or, umerous gradations could figure in from story to story. But I believe there is massive fakery in every single one that makes big trauma headlines.

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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 18:51:19 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: NeoconsNailed (#86)
NYT: Muslim Swimming Pools Are ‘Inclusive,’ Jewish Pools Are ‘Theocratic’

NN, I think you'll dig there irony here.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 18:57:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Actually, I could see a "need" for crisis actors even if the event is real.

Fustus wif da mostus. We don wanna get sued though, so here, look at this...
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-06-22 19:02:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Dakmar (#87)
That is riotous beyond compare, Dak!!!
How CAN this be happening -- the psychotic bending of every last atom of our lives toward the wonders of "diversity". It is CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY nothing but a Jue racket all about gutting white Christian life, robbing us of our souls, selves and very senses. Unfortunately, it's a smash success -- 70+ years' worth.

(Blind people also also lift their "gaze" upward by 30 to 50 degrees, e.g. when they're thinking hard about something. Very touching because it's so real and not at all affected like when sighted Jues do it -- which they do.)
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 20:25:18 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Cynicom, Phant2000, Turtle, randge, Lod, BTP Holdings, Christine (#79)
Impossible conspiracies don't exist

What about Boston or 9/11 would make them physical impossibilities?
("The govt has gone rogue and is in open rebellion against us? I can't believe it!". Says Turdle to his gutless mirror image. "Otherwise I'd have to admit that I've been a dupe cheerleader while swelling up with false pride for risking nothing."
"I proudly agree with the tyrants!" (whose enemies just happen to meet horrible fates) says the fucking invertebrate whose claim to superiority rests entirely on anonymous cheap shots and sophomoric anti logic.
The only correlation I see between the acts of govt horror you deny is your abject fear of the consequences (at family gatherings or, in your fave watering hole perhaps) of agreeing with the govt's enemies. They must be impossible conspiracies, or Bruiser The Dart Champ will beat the white off your ass for "siding with the hippie commie fags", right?
Your broad, sweeping dismissals of all of the psyops and MK-Ultra schemes shows your inability to distinguish between your religious beliefs and the real world possibilities that can and do exist. (possibilities that are totally consistent with human nature, unlike the "ethical, angelic, self policing govt hive mind" your silly assertions support as having control and wielding power, free of the temptation for tyranny)
Your blindness to govt's not so cleverly hidden evil requires no courage and (hopefully) no possibility of sacrifice. (Insert fervent prayer here, A guy can't be too careful, right?)
And the pisser is, your beliefs are not based on a careful study of their skilfully written dogma, but on your quivering fear of their "Hell". (Govt denies complicity so therefore the critics/whistleblowers are either stupid or lying. (1+1=3!)
Keen analyses, who needs it? After all, govt would never conspire with robber barons and industry to control every facet of our lives or the world's resources)
What do you think Lincoln meant when he said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time."? Do you believe that the rabbit hole only went as deep as rigged (and proven) military contracts to resell the same defective arms to the war effort? According to you it's "impossible" that govt does things that they are forced to lie about to avoid being hanged for treason. But, they're as determined to avoid exposure as you are to avoid "the possibility" that govt is run by powerful people in the shadows, and faux democracy and rigged elections are a playpen that create the illusion of political involvement.
I mean, just how stupid does one have to be to believe that Bob Dole was the best Republican candidate in the whole country to beat a younger, telegenic swindler who is sponsored by the Rockefellers?

You will not grasp absolute truths that exist in the abstract, such as "The Clinton body count is far too high and self serving to be a matter of good fortune or chance."
And, for 22 material witnesses to the JFK assassination to die under suspicious circs (all of whom could have testified to material evidence that didn't fit the bogus Warren Commission narrative) was so hot that no American statisticians would touch it. But a Canadian think tank crunched the numbers and found that the odds against those deaths were about 10 to the 16th power, to one. (1) Which is to say, impossible. That's like betting that if you filtered and mixed the sand on the world's beachs, random chance would assemble a zero point energy spacecraft, with no intelligent understanding of its power source.
So, to you "impossible" means "too scary to contemplate the loss of your kiss ass loyalist gold star". To me it means "odds so long that it has never happened since your no brain-stem ancestors were crapped out and left behind by the earliest microscopic forms of life."
If you couldn't hold it in your hands (and probably bludgeon your former women with it) then like a child you simply refuse to accept the abstract yet absolute truths proven by such revelations.
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-26 18:29:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
After all, govt would never conspire with robber barons and industry to control every facet of our lives or the world's resources

Control of the people and the world's resources has been a main objective of wars fought for millennia. Is there any reason this would change? ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-26 19:53:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
Perfect rant, thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-26 20:37:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: christine (#51)
While looking for other videos, I found this.
At 3:00 minutes in, an interview with what is most certainly the same woman who was smiling. This appears to have been done the morning of the incident, seemingly before she knew of her son's fate. Only this time, her displayed emotions are much more in line of what would be expected.

If she is an actor, she did a much better job here than in the interview with Cooper. As I said though, some people are weird. Human psychology does not always give expected results.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-27 2:52:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine (#66)
But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.

Spot on.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker posted on 2016-06-27 3:05:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, Christine, Rotara, Turtle (#91)
Control of the people and the world's resources has been a main objective of wars fought for millennia. Is there any reason this would change? ;)

The captured slaves of Roman conquests had no illusions about the nature of govt power and the goals to be achieved.
But, The US was "conceived in liberty" as a "shining beacon on a hill", and therefore it took the combined skills of Edward Bernays, the Tavistock queers, Big Steel, American Fruit, CIA, etc., to slip it to us without our knowledge or consent.
Like mosquitoes, vampire bats and leeches who begin their parasitic feeding with an anaesthetic to avoid alerting their hosts to their plunders of blood, the shadow govt has seized control of education, media and the public consciousness. The result is that we cannot even announce our suspicions without govt's approval, lest we be set upon by vicious outhouse keepers like Turdle, who childishly demand signed confessions as proof of evil conspiracies. He cannot conceive of the existence of evil unless the Devil himself admits to "Rosemary's rape" and the goal of harvesting souls.
Jefferson said, "Education is not a luxury, but a moral condition". We can extrapolate from ol' Massa Thom that America's unique form of self govt by sovereign people was not intended for foreigners who only know how to bow to warlords. (It seems to me that Asians would be content to recreate the tyranny from which they emigrated if permitted to do so. They seem to want a Ferdinand Marcos, Pol Pot or other strongman to rule over them. Where are the NGOs such as, "Asians For The Preservation Of The 2nd Amendment"?)
Americans are never told that the US is (or was) the only nation with a servant govt instead of hereditary seats of power, and sadly too many of the great unwashed believe that our freedom is a gift from our benevolent govt, instead of a birthright.
And, because of this vacuum of information we are being seduced/coerced into surrender. But, if true that "each thing contains within it the seeds of its own destruction", then the shadow govt's plan for world domination is by no means a foregone conquest.
You're a bright individual so I feel no need to elaborate on the ways that seeds may germinate.
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-27 10:12:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Lod (#92) (Edited)
Thank you my friend!
If loving Christine from afar is wrong then who among us wants to be right?__Mee neether.
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-27 10:12:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: Pinguinite (#93)
You know that when I was a young man in Chicago, I worked at the florist shop doing deliveries and picking up flowers at the wholesalers, etc. All of the designers were gay and the did not like women. They would always kid me about marching in the Clark St. (Gay Day) Parade. I never would because
I wasn't like that. I liked women, and one girl that worked up stairs got my cherry. LOL
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-27 17:01:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: HOUNDDAWG, randge (#95)
He cannot conceive of the existence of evil unless the Devil himself admits

very well stated posts & it's a pleasure to read your commentary here.
The above line is the crux of the issue. apart from your earlier comparison of religious-like blind faith in government, (I have seen other people who also often compare government worshipers, to religious faithful- such as Mike Rivero, who is an atheist, and is a person I like and respect.) But I would actually argue the opposite. Probably because of my admitted pro-religious, admittedly biased (and correct :-) point of view. So if you'll indulge me and allow me to do so here.
People who are religious and have a 'right mind' obviously have the discernment and common sense to see that evil is indeed very real, it exists and permeates everywhere. That evil men, inspired and sometimes even possessed by satan do indeed conspire, murder, plot, lie, etc. There should be nothing shocking about that to anyone other than a blind, witless idiot who lacks all grace, (grace, which is a gift from God.) (I know, I need to work on being more charitable, but I admit it is difficult.)

It reminds me of many years ago when I protested cardinal roger mahony outside the LA Cathedral with some others., many who themselves were actually victims of priest crimes. forever scarred. I was just doing my small part so it was quite funny when me and my sign (MAHONY: RESIGN IN SHAME NOW!!") was seen not only by a few hundred angry churchgoers, (Note: not all of them were angry, some agreed with me) but the photo rather was picked up by Rueters and ran in a front-page story in the orange county register. Man I thought that was damned funny and great.

A few days later, I showed one woman I knew through work, a Catholic woman with a husband a kids who was sort of a pal of mine. To my surprise, she immediately reacted negatively and said "I don't agree with that, you shouldn't do that." She couldn't explain WHY I "shouldn't do that" or why she believed that protesting perverts was wrong.

I always thought her reaction was very squirrely and never really liked her after that. I was still friendly of course, but, you know.

A few years later this same indignant woman who was 'so offended' not so much at the crimes of pervert priests but rather at the fact that any Catholic ever dare call them out on it, she left her husband and shacked up with her new boyfriend.

Ha! That explained it all. This woman who abandoned her sacred sacramental vow and two children, essentially a two-bit whore, never actually followed, understood, believed or adhered to the Catholic faith at all, she had no foundation, zero. Her indignant 'defense' of the church was more simpleton emotionalism, a defense of something she never actually understood or cherished. (In this thread we can compare it to turtle's blind support/belief/worship in all things government. That evil or conspiracies could never dare exist.)

Whereas I, the 'troublemaker', 'anti-Catholic' who 'dare' protest outside a Catholic church, and get international attention to an important issue, and shame the perverts, (that is actually a spiritual work of mercy, by the way, called "admonish the sinner.")

I was taught about rot in the church from the time I could talk. Such as the masonic, satanic fag infiltration of the church. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR CATHOLICS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADMIT ALL THIS!
"After all, if someone believes that there is a church that the son of God established, satan would NEVER ever dare try to destroy it, right?

Such thinking is insane and 100% retarded.

Of course satan tries to destroy it and has done a pretty damn good effort.

Many years ago my dad gave me a book about the document which the Vatican published many years ago about the masonic , satanic infiltration of the church from within . its called the alta ventida. [The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita A Masonic Blueprint for the Subversion of the Catholic Church, By John Vennari.
The author quotes the actual Masonic document, which both Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) and Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) asked to be published. This document describes the Masons' diabolical strategy to destroy the Church by infecting her leaders with Liberal ideas. Tells how they do not desire a masonic Pope, but rather a Pope infected with their ideas. Touches on Liberalism, the French Revolution, Freemasonry, Ecumenism, Modernism, the modernist conspiracy at Vatican II, and much more! An eye-opening book that every Catholic must read! 50 pgs,

These two homilies at the top of the page http://www.romans10seventeen.org/ [Formerly http://www.audiosancto.org/, my favorite website, which has recently been split up into three archive sites.]

The priest, far from deny the evil and modernism in the church, which largely began post Vatican II, explains all this stuff about evil in the church and the world so well. It is on par (even better, actually) with Bishop Sheen's sermons of the past. [See Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen discusses atheism, human freedom, and why God allows evil in the world 2/21/14.]

End Times, part 2: Operation of Error 2014- 11-30. Length: 35:25
End Times, part 1: The Great Apostasy Length: 34:36

Any Catholic who listens to these sermons should not have any trouble understanding Pope Francis, all the horrible things he says, and all the other stuff regarding this topic.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-07-03 13:10:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: FormerLurker (#94)
To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine

But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.

Spot on.

Thanks!
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-07-03 13:14:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: Artisan (#98)
With Francis, the Church has its own 0bama.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-07-03 13:20:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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