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Title: Follow Up On Orlando Pulse Club False Flag
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URL Source: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/06 ... orlando-pulse-club-false-flag/
Published: Jun 16, 2016
Author: Victurus Libertas
Post Date: 2016-06-16 10:07:20 by christine
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We were among the first ones to spot all the clues that point to a false flag when the Orlando supposed mass shooting at the Pulse club happened early Sunday morning June 12, 2016. As more reports came out and more interviews took place, it was even more and more obvious this was indeed, a false flag. If you are not yet convinced, I encourage you to watch the short videos below.
We all saw this guy with the red tennis shoes being carried with an alleged gun shot wound to the leg. Watch this video closely. Watch the “rescuers” put down the “victim” when they think they are out of the shot of the camera:

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#41. To: Pinguinite (#39)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?
And what of the parents so happy about their dead children but so angry about the avilablity of guns?
To say nothing about the lack of shells or bullet holes. Over one hundred on target rounds, how many more misses would their be?
Their are many forensic aspects that call everything about this hoax into question for me.
I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-21 3:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: titorite (#41) (Edited)
I coulda swore he shuffled his feet but even if they set him down to stand on his own power....,, why? Just so they could smile for the camera?

I didn't see that at all. At that point about all that's visible is his foot. I don't see it moev at all, and it is he foot of the wounded leg. As for why they'd set him down, I think that's over analyzing. People get tired. Maybe the guy being carried was uncomfortable and wanted to stop for a minute. Should they carry him for the next 3 miles? Should they hold him off the ground until an ambulance arrives?

I know the tv.told me.people died but tv also says 911 and sandy hoax was real. I put no.faith into mainstream media. Zero. None.

I'm confident 911 was a real event in the sense that the towers really did collapse. One question I have when I hear people call this and other events "false flags": Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.
That distinction needs to be made clear.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 3:40:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Pinguinite (#42)
Do they mean it in the sense that the whole event was faked as all moviesa are, or do they mean it was real but instigated by parties other than advertised on MSM.

I mean it as the latter. I don't believe that people don't die, but I do believe they are staged and carried out by more than a lone patsy.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 10:31:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: All, Christine, Lod, titorite (#39)
Spent a few minutes and found a map of the area, which marks the Stand Up MRI, Duncan Donuts, and the Pulse nightclub, and it does seem they were carrying wounded down the sidewalk in the general direction of Pulse.
However, they were also being carried in the general direction of the Orlando Regional Medical Center, which is about 6 blocks away from that location.
Here's a map, compliments of the Stand Up MRI.
www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=28.518827~-81.376900&lvl=16&sty=r&q=2010%20South%20Orange%20Avenue%20Orlando,%20FL%2032806&form=LMLTCC
In any event, seeing wounded carried in the direction of Pulse is not necessarily a sign of fakery. It should be remembered that it would have been a very chaotic situation with over 100 people killed or wounded. In an emergency situation, everyone would be running everywhere in all directions, and wounded people would flee or be taken somewhere most expedient for safety. Afterwards, when the danger is gone with the shooter dead, people, including wounded, can then relocate short distances for whatever reasons. They could be because lying down on concrete is not comforable. Maybe they lived nearby and wanted to go to their home/apartment. Maybe where most people went first was just too crowded. The less seriously wounded people would not have been attended to first by parametics, which are probably all those shown in the video being carried.
In a nutshell, it would have been a very chaotic scene as something almost no one involved was expecting or prepared for. So making too much out of the direction people were carried is just that, IMO.
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.
There is a time and place for paranoia. It can be a good and valid survival mechanism. But we still need to keep our feet on the ground in perceiving the reality around us. The USA is a country of 350 million people. The odds of a handful out of that number being willing and able to do what happened in Orlando is about as close to 100% as it can get without being 100%. Also, the government does not have God-like powers of ultimate control over the entire population. Individual people can do things to make national headline news.
My 2c.
PS: Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 14:18:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Thanks for bringing the information and your thoughts to us. We'll likely never know the full truth of this event, like all the rest of them.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-21 14:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Lod (#45)
You're welcome. I am confident the gov does have a motivated interest is keeping the country at war of whatever type perpetually. It's easier to control the population that way, and except for the fact that the Orlando shooting, as depicted, will help Trump in the polls, the effects are otherwise fine for the PTB's. More gun control and more reason to wage wars in the Middle East.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 15:20:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Not trying to make enemies out of anyone. This is just what I see and I hope it's appreciated that I took the time to compose all this. Peace.

No worries. I appreciate your thoughts. I'll have more to add later. ;)

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:06:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Pinguinite (#46)
Watch this. Try not to be influenced by the narrator although I agree with him. ;) Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior. This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 19:15:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: christine (#48)
Thanks, Chrissy. Is there a link or youtube that's supposed to be there?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-21 19:37:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: christine (#48)
When I worked for the State of Illinois, before they rebuilt I-94 Edens Expressway, the State construction crew was breaking out full depth holes in the left lane of the three lane expressway.
The State Police were chasing a car with two black guys in it. They drove into the lane closure and hit the first full depth hole (12 inches deep). The two front tires went flying off the car. One of the black guys got out of the car and said, "Man, look what you did to my car!" The Trooper had to arrest them both to keep the crew from killing them.
I know it is off topic, but it just popped into my head. I am thankful to remember anything that happened that long ago. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2016-06-21 22:04:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Pinguinite (#49)
uhhh..yes. LOL. I forgot. I was in a hurry to get to a dance lesson.

christine posted on 2016-06-21 22:31:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
opinion.injo.com/2016/06/256993-im-former-nypd-heres-why-i-suspect-there-was-more-than-one-shooter-in-orlando/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=post-footer&utm_campaign=Sharing

I’m Former NYPD: Here’s Why I Suspect There Was More Than One Shooter In Orlando

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#52)
patch.com/florida/southtampa/orlando-shooting-latest-timeline-transcripts-released

And why is it that we don't get to actually HEAR Mateen's call??? There are conflicting accounts of what he said. Some say he said Allah, but now this transcript shows he said God. Plus the fact that he supposedly texted his wife and posted on Facebook all while taking in excess of 120 shots??
What bullshit.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:25:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Pinguinite (#49)
www.freedomsphoenix.com/N...ld-be-the-smoking-gun.htm

G. Edward Griffin: This Story Could Be the Smoking Gun For All False-Flag Ops

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:36:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Pinguinite (#49)
memoryholeblog.com/2016/0...-shooting-in-u-s-history/

Excerpt:
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)
– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]
– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)
– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]
– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]
– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

christine posted on 2016-06-22 0:42:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: christine (#48)
Yes, I did not like the narration which is hardly toned to allow the viewer to make up his own mind and let the video speak for itself. I searched youtube and found the original and watched it without any commentary.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0yN_qM_ZeM

Just tell me your opinion of this woman's behavior.

I admit her behaviour is indeed weird. She is smiling when she comes onto the camera, so much so that Cooper comments on it. I will say to start that some people really are weird. It's also true that people can react to tragedy in unexpected ways. If she's a crisis actor, then we might agree she's a lousy one, but what conclusion would we draw from that? That CNN would hire lousy actors to stage things like this? That the shootings in Orlando never happened? Maybe they did happen, but CNN couldn't find any parents of deceased gay people willing to be interviewed, so they had her pretend to be one just because they really wanted to do this interview. (That's one I could buy into, as I remember the supposed satellite interview on one of these networks where the same bus passes behind both anchors seconds apart).
So yes, they fake interviews, but even if the interview above is fake, that wouldn't mean the shootings didn't occur. But if giving the benefit of a doubt about this woman and assuming she really is the mother of one of the deceased, then yes, I'd say she's weird.

This, in addition to the video where the reflection of the newsroom lights when she was supposedly being interviewed outside, were reflected in her glasses, make me believe she's a crisis actor.

I think camera crews will certainly include lighting hands to illuminate the area at night.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: All (#55)
Here's a very interesting comment to the Memory Hole article:
paulydeathwish says: June 15, 2016 at 6:48 AM
I would bring up a few further points about Florida. As per G4S HQ in Jupiter, FL, this town was the setting for popular TV show American Horror Story’s fourth season. Times of India (in coded language?) calling Orlando an “American horror story”.
I believe it was Times of India which got the scoop on the head of Pakistani ISI wiring money to one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers in the days or weeks leading up to that event. The timing would be interesting in that Mahmoud Ahmed of ISI was in D.C. on 9/11 meeting with Porter Goss and another legislator (if I remember correctly) during the attacks.
More importantly, does the Orlando attack exhibit an emerging trend of false flags by happening at night? We know the Paris attacks (Le Bataclan, etc.) happened at night. Maybe previous attacks happened in broad daylight. Did the cover of darkness allow for inflated casualty numbers?
G4S is really headquartered in London, UK, but they do have this North American HQ in Jupiter, FL. Why was this patsy hanging around headquarters? Don’t they operate nationwide? This could be another case of someone thinking he’s participating in a drill. Then drill gets flipped live, he gets whacked and left at crime scene, and a couple of pro assassins mow down some homosexuals.
Could also be Sandy Hook with the benefit of night.
Same lame pictures are in high rotation…from Fox News to ABC. If I was trying to convince credulous people that this event was fake, I would tailor my coverage in exactly the way I’ve seen (with the extremely few (all uninteresting) pictures).
People start saying: “Hey, I’ve seen that photo before. And that one. Don’t they have any other photos? And if not, why not.” There are plenty of things to photograph in a real event. It doesn’t have to be gory stuff. Plenty of items and arrangements which should be disturbed by the mayhem.
Maybe only one photographer got to the scene in time to capture anything marginally relevant. This could be another reason for a night attack. Control the images. Block off the streets. Control the perimeter early on. One anointed photographer takes a baby’s handful of photos of a couple of bloodied passerbys.
Full-circle: Jupiter, FL is about 10 miles from Jupiter Island, Florida.
–Paul

christine posted on 2016-06-22 1:02:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: christine (#52)
Okay, I read this one, and he asks these questions:
First, I'll premise that while I myself have never been in law enforcement, I did my 3 years in the army and have fired live rounds from an M-16 rifle.
Q 1:

How did an untrained novice, with a unfamiliar weapons, under incredibly adverse high stress conditions, achieve reload and accuracy rates, and most importantly a casualty count, that exceeded those of the world’s best competition shooters and special operators?

Have you ever been in a crowded night club? I have been in places so crowded its hard to move. Walking into a place like that armed as he was alleged to be, the challenge would not be hitting, but rather missing. Competition shooters do not compete by shooting into rooms overflowing with targets.
#2, the .223 round is a high velocity round, as it's designed to be. One round fired into a crowded room could conceivably strike 2-4 people if they are, say, all struck in the arms or otherwise in areas where there is little flesh to stop the round.
We also don't know how familiar or unfamiliar he was with the weapons. Just because they were bought recently doesn't mean he did not have prior training with them, and at minimum, it's reasonable to expect he would have practiced reloading prior to the attack. Certainly while reloading the long gun, he could have had his hand gun to keep people at bay.
High stress conditions: Remedied with drugs taken prior to the attack, which cops don't do, or shouldn't do, particularly when such events are unpredictable.
His Q2:

How did he carry the necessary weapons and ammunition into Pulse Nightclub on a hot Florida summer night without arousing the suspicion of one patron, staff member, or bouncer before firing shots?

He likely did arouse suspicion, but that's not the question. The question is, how much time goes by between people becoming suspicious and the time he begins shooting? Sure if you go back in time to the Pulse night club and wait for him, knowing exactly what he'll do, as soon as you see him you can take him down.
But people at the nightclub aren't expecting anything but a good time. The sight of someone with weapons approaching the club might be that he's a police officer. Unless someone can figure out within 15-30 seconds after being confused that something is terribly wrong, their suspicions won't help them.
I don't find this ex-cops write up to be a compelling argument. Maybe with more facts, it can be, like the total number of rounds fired by the shooter(s). It could be he only fired 70-80 rounds total, killing 49 and wounding another 50. For me, that's a credible possibility.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:28:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: christine (#53)
And why is it that we don't get to actually HEAR Mateen's call??? There are conflicting accounts of what he said. Some say he said Allah, but now this transcript shows he said God. Plus the fact that he supposedly texted his wife and posted on Facebook all while taking in excess of 120 shots??

The FBI and feds are too busy trying to cover up stuff so Muslims don't look bad. That may well be why any references to Allah would be xlated to "God". If that's the case, they are of course wrong to do so, but that could be why. I say that with no knowledge of the transcripts. Such actions though would not mean the shooting didn't occur, or even that there were multiple shooters.
He was alive for 2-3 hours after he started shooting. When exactly did he text his wife or post on facebook? I see no reason why he wouldn't have time for both after the initial shooting.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:33:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#54)
G. Edward Griffin: This Story Could Be the Smoking Gun For All False-Flag Ops

I did a search on the guy's name: James Wesley Howell CNN has their version of the story:
edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/
Hard to say. He could be mentally unstable. CNN's mention of explosives is limited to:

"and a 5-gallon bucket with chemicals that could be used to create an explosive device, officials said."

A bit more subdued from "car full of explosives and weapons".
I don't know. It should be looked into. On the other hand, the guy could be a loony, perhaps with schizophrenia who deludedly turned himself in after hearing about the shooting in Orlando.
It certainly should be looked into more deeply for actual links to Orlando.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 1:48:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: christine (#55)
– News footage shows no dead people, or even visibly injured people, no ambulances rushing to the scene, no colored triage tarps, no EMTs swarming the site, or anything else that might prove the “massacre” actually occurred as reported. A few “injured victims” are shown casually walked or carried away from the club, with one dumped into the back of a pickup for transport to the hospital. Such scenes were played over and over on television. As with the Sandy Hook “shooting,” we are supposed to believe the reports, despite the clear lack of evidence. (CNN)

But we already have footage of visibly injured people. We've seen that above. And plenty of emergency lights.

– To make up for this lack, we have a parade of witnesses, sobbing without tears and giving unconvincing performances, as seen with many recent false flag events. These include Luis Burbano, who gave interviews to several media outlets soon after the Orlando “shooting.” Like Carlos Arredondo of Boston Marathon fame, Burbano became the face of courage under duress, reportedly removing his shirt to wrap it around a man’s arm and tying another piece of his clothing to a man’s leg.[5]

This is all subjective.

– Interviews by assorted officials also sound scripted and strange. These include State Senator Geraldine Thompson, who tells us she is the senator for the district that includes the Pulse night club “in Tallahassee” – although Pulse is actually in Orlando. (CNN)

Since when have politicians been experts in who their constituents are?

– Drills were involved, as with many false flag events (more on this subject is sure to come). Oddly, the June 13 online edition of the Orlando Sentinel highlighted an article originally published in 2015, regarding a drill to prepare nurses for mass casualties.[8]

Meaning what? Is this author arguing the events were faked, or real but planned? It cannot be both.

– Almost immediately, fund-raising efforts were underway on behalf of the “victims,” as is familiar from other staged events. Patty Sheehan, Orlando City Commissioner, assures us that there are already people out there raising money. In less than 24 hours, a fundraising page set up for the “victims” had raised $1.3 million, and surely more will roll in.[9]

Meaning what?

– Also familiar are the online posts that precede the event, documented in Yahoo listings for articles about the Orlando “shooting” that are dated June 11, one day earlier.[10] This was the case for other false flag events, notably the Sandy Hook “shooting.”

Again, meaning what? They sell 2017 cars when it's still 2016. Mistakes are made, or news sites might be in the habit of doing alternate date stamps for press time reporting reasons.
All in all, Chrissy, some of the complaints you've reposted on this thread imply there were multiple shooters, while others are implying the shooting never happened. It cannot be both. Finding evidence of both pretty much invalidates both theories.
I will say this. We humans do have the unique ability to find whatever we seek, even if what we seek does not exist. Anyone who is convinced an event did not happen who looks for evidence it didn't will be successful. It's in the power of our minds to do so. Remaining objective and balanced while considering alternate possibilities is a very serious challenge.

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 2:03:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Pinguinite (#61)
Shell casings and bullets holes. the floor should be covered , littered in shell casings and the walls and other objects should be riddled with bullet holes .... to say nothing about how long it would take a hazmat team to.clean it all up after the police properly investigated. That club should never open again if this was all as presented on teevee...
Man if grayLmist were still.here. she.could probably break it all down better than any of.us.

But above all, parents dont smile and laugh when their children are murdered. Hands dont deflect bullets. And the propaganda engine of the us media is getting stronger if you think.this was real as presented.

Youre entitled to your opinion on it pingunite. But if the proponderence of.evidence doesnt make.you suscpiciius ......then i dont know.what more.could be said to.encourage critical thinking. God speed.
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titorite posted on 2016-06-22 4:40:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: christine, Pinguinite (#57)
What Pinguinite says in response to claims of outright hoax is well grounded. However there facts and impressions that are open to question.
First of all, there is the strange three hour delay in the insertion of SWAT teams after the initial response. One of the lesson of Columbine and similar shootings was that LE should move in as soon as possible instead of dawdling around outside of a structure where there is an ongoing attack.
Secondly, there are the strange videos of victims trapped in the club that night. A young man and a young woman recount their ordeal in a strange sort of disconnected monotone that seems almost rehearsed. The injuries that they are supposed to have sustained don't seem consistent with their condition at the time of the interview. Subjectively there is something odd about the way thy describe their experiences. Objectively, when you examine the body language, there are a lot of "tells" that strongly suggest deception. I don't know what this means. You all fill in the blanaks.
Last, there is the HUGE pass that the shooter got from the FBI and his employer, G4S. It is beyond strange - to me anyway.

G4S confirmed in a statement that Omar Mateen had worked for the company since 2007, and said it was “shocked and saddened” by the shooting. A later statement said that Mateen was subject to “detailed company screening” in 2007 and again in 2013, “with no adverse findings.”
But one of Mateen’s former coworkers told the New York Times that he “saw it coming,” that Mateen “talked about killing people all the time,” and that he was “always angry, sweating, just angry at the world.”
The coworker, who said he quit his job due to harassment from Mateen, explained that he “complained multiple times” to G4S, because Mateen didn’t like “blacks, women, lesbians, and Jews.”
Orlando Shooter Wasn't the First Murderer Employed By Global Mercenary Firm

By the way, the FBI seem to have lost contact with an important player in this catastrophe. Not the steely eyed G-men of Hoover's day, that's for certain.

Loretta Lynch Admits That Federal Authorities Have Lost The Orlando Shooter's Wife

According to CNN, Federal investigators are trying to find out more specifically what Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman (profiled here), knew about the planned attack at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. The intent is to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether or not charges will be brought against Salman.
However there is one rather large problem with one key person in the investigation, it appears that Noor Salman is missing and may not even be in the state of Florida anymore. 67,166 JUN 22, 2016 5:31 AM 355
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-21/loretta-lynch-admits-federal- authorities-have-lost-orlando-shooters-wife

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 9:13:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: randge (#63)
The CF continues full-speed ahead; thanks for the good summary.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-06-22 10:02:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: randge (#63)
Very good summation. For me, there are far too many "anomalies" to believe the MSM account.
But, to each their own.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 10:23:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Pinguinite, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#44)
I think Occam's razor applies here: The simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. To say the whole thing was faked is far, far harder to do than to say that it really did happen as depicted, as there are so many people involved and so much physical evidence that would have to be manufactured.
If there is something nefarious about the event, a far easier explanation is that it really happened but was instigated by several people (a conspiracy) and this Mateen guy was framed. In that case, the video footage questioning the authenticity of wounded people does not support that scenario and can similarly be discounted.
I've said many times that lending credence to the notion that everything is faked is more likely A) done out of an extreme sense of paranoia, or B) purposely done by PTB's to discredit any and all claims of "false flag" activity carried out by the government. That by conditioning teh public to accept that there are always "loons" out there who will say anything.

I agree with what you said and particularly the part in bold. The trend seems to have swayed from a 'false flag/set up patsies' meme to a completely bizarre 'everything is fake, no one ever dies, there are no humans involved' position. That is completely bonkers and bizarre, and it does seem to be something that would be propagated by the government itself to make those who understand false flag events (which are covered in army manuals and have been ADMITTED BY GOVERNMENTS officially, and declassified hundreds of times) to be discredited in the eyes of the public. (See 42 FALSE- FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO).

Furthermore, since the government has NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about killing dozens, hundreds, thousands or even millions of innocents, (as secretary of state madeline Albright admitted that 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children was 'worth it') There is NO REASON that government would have to 'make up victims' or 'fake deaths'. No reason at all. And actually, people who understand the spiritual nature of these government crimes would understand that these people are satanic and actually FEED off of ritual human sacrifice, (not 'mannequin sacrifice' or 'crisis actor sacrifice'.)
that does not mean I'm saying that crisis actors are never used or that they don't exist- I pointed out that clearly a mannequin was used in the aftermath of the LAX shooting a few years ago, CBS 2 showed extensive 15 minute video, live, when the first responders pushed a snow white obvious department store mannequin in a wheelchair thru LAX to a waiting ambulance, it was hilarious.

But the government probably actually does this type of stupid, crazy obvious shit to fuck with the minds of the people and to cause CHAOS in society. so, then a contingent of conspiracy-obsessed researchers from that point on insist that 'EVERYTHING IS FAKE!!;, making them appear as absolute insane lunatics in the minds of the general public. it is COINTELPRO (as admitted govt program) at work. This will sweep the fact of actually admitted false flag strategies under the carpet.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 10:55:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, x-15, christine, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
COINTELPRO = create a shitstorm in a house of mirrors
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 11:12:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Artisan (#66)
this Mateen guy was framed

Are you alleging that Mateen was randomly kidnapped off of the Mean Streets of Orlando and rope-bound and delivered to Club Pulse and executed at close range by shadowy figures wearing black????????? Nobody, not even his father, has suggested such outlandish shenanigans "He was such a good boy, he was shopping for chicken at the local deli and just DISAPPEARED!!!!". He was not a first- timer to visit Pulse, not at all.
If all of the massacres/shootings committed by muslims in the West since 1959 were instead perpetrated by White men who Just Happened to be known Pre-Vatican II Catholics who openly despised the modern world with it's moral decay do you think that nothing would be said about that common denominator???
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 11:44:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: X-15 (#68)
lol, I didn't write that, it was a quote from pinguinite.

I havent even followed this shooting, and am frankly not really interested in it. the jist of my post was simply that all this 'everything is fake' , 'nobody died, they were all actors' stuff which we hear every time one of these things happens is most likely propogated by the government.

they DO set up patsies though, and its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time. I don't know any of the details of this and do not even care to delve into it, I was simply making a broader point.
the main thing as i see it is that conservatives should teach libs that this kind of thing is never a reason to try to take guns or restrict God given gun rights.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 11:54:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Artisan (#69)
its unlikely that some deranged homo could successfully snipe 50 people at once, while texting and posting on social media and calling his ex wife, at the same time

Mmmm....look at his targets (drunk/high queers in a club). Look at who was targeted in Paris. Look at who was targeted in San Bernardino. Hell, look at who was targeted at Fort Hood: unarmed locals who would be powerless to prevent their own deaths.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2016-06-22 12:01:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: All (#70)
If you all will just catch WRH each weekday I think this will answer all. Among all rightist analysts, he is nobody's fool. To enjoy it sans commercials, just go to youtube Tuesdays thru Saturdays, search WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, and it's the 1st of many episodes piled up.

(I know -- it's too horrible for words. But what can we do? It's the culture now.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love humanity -- it's the people I can't stand.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 12:20:58 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: All (#71)
mp3.logosradionetwork.com/INN/64k/INN_Radio_2016-06-21_64k.mp3

Here is a very good conversation with Tom Kiely, Wayne Madsen, and Scott Creighton regarding the Orlando shooting and much, much more including evidence of the FBI's manufacturing of these plots. "The real question is how many of them do they allow to go live."
Begin at 1:04. Worth the time, imo.

christine posted on 2016-06-22 14:21:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Turtle, NeoconsNailed (#22)
I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and I know bullshit when I see it.

Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".
And now you posture as someone who weighs the evidence before reaching the same foregone conclusion?
According to your consistent, bended knee dismissals anything that govt would disapprove or deny is "bullshit".
Let's assume for the moment that you are a chickenshit state worshiper who is simply incapable of risking govt ire. What would you do differently?
*sounds of crickets*
If there's one word that describes me, it's profection!
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2016-06-22 14:33:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
I haven't been here a few years and I'm sure I've never said that. You're clearly mistaking me for somebody else.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love humanity -- it's the people I can't stand.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-06-22 15:07:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: christine, bump (#72)
Bump

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-06-22 15:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Artisan, x-15, christine, randge, titorite, neoconsnailed, btp holdings, lod (#66)
Thinking more on the interview, it is rather surreal. Not only the woman smiling when she comes on, but Cooper holding her hand and hugging her. I don't think I've even seen a newscaster do that after interviewing someone about a slain loved one.
I can agree that it is more likely than not a staged interview with an actor. It reminds me of this event:

This clip is all over the net including being the subject of ridicule on someone's comedian show. I searched for a CNN response about it but found nothing. I guess the other networks aren't touching it either, perhaps because they can already relate to the practice.
I responded to Christine by PM about my thoughts on this after she opined that if the Orlando event was real, then there would be no need for crisis actors. But it's appropriate for this thread:
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Actually, I could see a "need" for crisis actors even if the event is real. (And this thought is coming to me in light of the scene you posted and asked about with Cooper).
Consider this: Major news networks make money by showing stuff to the public. Orlando shooting happens. CNN execs want to respond. They show all the stuff from the event itself, but they also want to show the public some heartwarming scene about a gay person that died so unjustly. So they want to do some kind of personal interview with a family member of one of the those slain.
But they have a problem: No parents of any of the deceased gay people want to do an interview, either because of grief or because they don't want to broadcast to the world the fact that their now dead son was gay. But CNN execs still want to do a segment like the one they made. Soooooo....... they hire a crisis actor to play the part. They justify it to the actor in saying that some parents would like to do it but they can't because they are grief stricken, so would you play the part and talk about one of the gay kids was "part of Orlando? It's for the good of humanity.
So she agrees and does it. She's smiling because she's on TV and can't really help it. But she then plays the part.
The photos are real deceased. The family doesn't mind the stand-in actor because it's still honoring their boy. Cooper does the touching hug scene which, yes, is surreal in itself.
So, in the end, the shooting was real, the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor.
Plausible?

Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-22 16:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Plausible?

I contend that anyone who even gives a shit about ANY of this is blessed beyond their own comprehension, because they have ample resources and (way too much?) spare time, which many in America and across the world do not.

yes, that includes me, but I realize it. :-)
I should really go feed some hungry people or something.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-06-22 16:36:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Pinguinite (#76)
the CNN execs are happy, and the scene was with an actor

Good take on this. You've got these broadcasters' number.
Lest we forget what CNN is capable of, remember the CNN fake Iraq War SCUD attack reports.

CNN Fake Iraq War Newscast Footage
Hokey attack footage at around 7:00.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
randge posted on 2016-06-22 17:12:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
Now, wait a minute. A few years ago you stated that "conspiracies don't exist".

Impossible conspiracies don't exist - Boston and Orlando false flags, bombs in towers, remote-controlled airplanes, the moon landing shot on a stage, thee shooters on Kennedy.
Three guys shooting and burying Hoffa...yeah, that exists.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2016-06-22 17:17:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: christine (#0)
At the .25 mark I see the dude in the red shoes standing.

purplerose posted on 2016-06-22 17:30:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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