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Title: Man says he fabricated stories about Holocaust, Auschwitz
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URL Source: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016 ... 2551466882009/?spt=hs&or=tn_us
Published: Jun 26, 2016
Author: Stephen Feller
Post Date: 2016-06-26 09:28:25 by Tatarewicz
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Joseph Hirt said he tattooed the number of an Auschwitz survivor on his arm and made up the rest of his story after a trip to the concentration camp as a tourist.

WASHINGTON, June 25 (UPI) -- A purported Holocaust survivor was found to have fabricated great swaths of his personal history, from being caught by Nazis in a round-up to meeting Joseph Mengele and escaping from the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Joseph Hirt admitted he is not a Holocaust survivor after history teacher Andrew Reid and his students saw a presentation he gave in New York, fact-checking and attempting to verify the details of the story -- most of which turned out to be untrue.

"I was wrong. I ask forgiveness," 91-year-old Hirt wrote in a letter delivered to LancasterOnline. "I am writing today to apologize publicly for harm caused to anyone because of my inserting myself into the descriptions of life in Auschwitz. I was not a prisoner there. I did not intend to lessen or overshadow the events which truly happened there by falsely claiming to have been personally involved."

Holes in Hirt's story struck Reid immediately during his speech in Lowville, N.Y., the teacher explained in in a letter accompanying more than 20 pages of research dismantling the tale point-by-point.

Hirt claimed he'd been at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin when he was a child, and seen Hitler refuse to shake hands with American athlete Jesse Owens, a long discredited story that experts had already said was highly unlikely.

Hirt was born in Poland in 1930 to Jewish parents, fleeing the Nazis before World War 2 began, going to Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and after the Germans bombed the city, they moved to Italy.

In 1944, when Italy was liberated by the Allies, Hirt's family was among 900 refugees brought to the United States as guests. While the country had not accepted many refugees, those on the boat were given sanctuary in Oswego, New York, at Fort Ontario Camp. While the refugees were allowed to stay in the United States, that has not been the story Hirt told in speeches and presentations.

In his false story, Hirt was recaptured by the Nazis and brought to Auschwitz, where he escaped under a fence -- only to be caught again, but luckily permitted to run away. He also claimed to have met the Nazi "Angel of Death" Josef Mengele at Auschwitz, that a picture of a prisoner at the death camp was him and showed off a number on his forearm.

"I want to be clear -- I am not a Holocaust denier," Reid wrote into Hirt's story. "In fact, the man who hired me for my first teaching job many years ago was a survivor of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, and it is partly in his memory and for the preservation of the truth of what millions of people endured that I have taken upon myself the task of exposing Mr. Hirt's shameful deception."

After several days of declining to respond to Reid's accusations, Hirt submitted his letter to the newspaper, detailing the depth of his lies, which nearly his entire tale is composed of.

After a trip to Auschwitz, several years after the Holocaust, Hirt claims he was so incensed by visitors to the camp and that it had become a "clean and polished tourist destination," he decided to recast himself at the center of a story he thought could help reinforce the evils of the Nazis.

Reid found no record of Hirt ever going to Auschwitz, and Hirt admitted he'd tattooed the number of one of the camps' survivors, Primo Levi, on his arm after Levi man committed suicide in 1987. The picture of an emaciated prisoner Hirt claimed was him wasn't even taken at Auschwitz, but was of a prisoner at the Dachau camp, Reid found.

Reid claimed there was no way for Hirt to have met Mengele, either, because the "doctor" did not arrive at Auschwitz until months after Hirt claimed to have been there. The story about Jesse Owns had previously been discredited for the most part.

Even Hirt's family members had doubts about the story for years, and found Reid's investigation to be a relief, if for no other reason than because it forced the man to drop the ruse.

"For what I've seen of my Uncle Joe, his story is pretty much correct until the time when he's kidnapped and taken to Auschwitz," Michael Hirt told Lancaster Online after Reid's claims were published, but before his uncle had admitted to the untruths. His real story, he said, is "fantastic by itself."


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Not likely that the rest of the "six million" will come clean.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Those camps were called "death camps" because of the Typhus epidemics which raged thru them. It's as simple as that. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-26   9:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Reid found no record of Hirt ever going to Auschwitz, and Hirt admitted he'd tattooed the number of one of the camps' survivors, Primo Levi, on his arm after Levi man committed suicide in 1987.

That answers my previous question on this subject.

A fake tattoo? That is pretty drastic stuff IMO.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-06-26   9:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

A fake tattoo?

I knew a guy in Chicago with a tattoo on his arm which read, FTW. I think you can figure it out for yourself. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-26   10:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

It's my understanding that faking it is a common past time for those kinds of people.

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titorite  posted on  2016-06-26   12:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Not likely that the rest of the "six million" will come clean.

'I also doubt the accuracy of the "6 million" figure,but I have ZERO doubt the camps existed and that they were as horrible and inhuman as described.

Are you also denying the camps existed,or that in at least some of them there were many,many Jews and other "undesirables" immediately led to the gas chambers as soon as they got off the trains?

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-26   14:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

Those camps were called "death camps" because of the Typhus epidemics which raged thru them. It's as simple as that. ;)

BullBush! That was only ONE of the reasons they were accurately described as "death camps" .

The FACT is they were ALL death camps because the Jews and other "undesirables" were either murdered immediately after they arrived,they were worked to death with an inadequate diet,and/or they died of diseases due to the filthy living conditions they were forced to live with,poor diets,no medical care,etc,etc,etc.

No matter how hard you try,you can't polish a turd,and that's what Nazi's were and are,semi-human turds.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-26   14:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#5)

I visited this place circa 1980 when I was stationed in what was then called West Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-06-26   15:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Fred Mertz (#7) (Edited)

I visited this place circa 1980 when I was stationed in what was then called West Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

I grew up knowing a very nice Jewish woman that had been born and raised in Berlin,and had a tattoo on her arm from one of the camps. She met and married a cousin of my mothers while he was serving in the Army of Occupation in Berlin. Her family had been wealthy before the war,but the Nazi's confiscated all their property and sent the entire family off to the labor camps,and the Soviets ended up confiscating all her family property that was in the Soviet Sector from the Nazi's after the war. She was the only surviving member of her family,and homeless and living in a shelter at the time they met.

At some point after the war the courts cleared up the property claims and gave her back title to the property in the western zone,and she sold it all and never returned to Germany for the rest of her life. I don't know how much she got from the sales,but they always drove new Lincolns each year,and lived in NY in the summers and Fla in the winters without either ever having to work a job.

She was a young teenage girl and I suspect she was one of the ones the Germans experimented on or mayble sterilized and turned into whores for the German Army because she was never able to have children and she flat out refused to say anything about it other than she had survived it.

I also knew people personally when I was in the army that were in units that overran the camps at the end of the war,and heard them talk and viewed films taken by the Germans themselves that were never shown to the public because the American public of the late 40's and 1950's were not ready to view anything like that.

The death camps were real,and anybody that claims there weren't is either an uniformed fool or a liar.

Anybody that still supports the Nazi's today or the Nazi's of today is worse than a fool or a liar.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-26   15:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

FTW

That tat is usually worn by 1%er biker types and is an abbreviation of "Forever Together Whatever".

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-06-26   20:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#7)

Did you get to visit the gas chambers, and if so, were they real or "re-creations"?

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-06-26   20:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Obnoxicated (#10)

I remember visiting the place as a museum 35+ years ago.

I don't recall all the details. I'm sure it is still in operation today.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-06-26   22:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#6)

German Jews were regarded as enemy aliens because of international Jewry's declaration of war on the Nazis for their nationalization of Jewish banks. Those sick or otherwise unfit to work in munitions factories went into camps which didn't have much food or other priorities because of war scarcities. Don't think 6-million were killed; 600-thousand may have died, if that.

Why Germany Began Rounding Up Jews and Deporting Them to the East

Chaim Weizmann Why did the Germans begin rounding up the Jews and interning them in the concentration camps to begin with? Contrary to popular myth, the Jews remained "free" inside Germany - albeit subject to laws which did restrict certain of their privileges - prior to the outbreak of World War II.

Yet, the other little-known fact is that just before the war began, the leadership of the world Jewish community formally declared war on Germany - above and beyond the ongoing six-year-long economic boycott launched by the worldwide Jewish community when the Nazi Party came to power in 1933.

As a consequence of the formal declaration of war, the German authorities thus deemed Jews to be potential enemy agents

Here's the story behind the story: Chaim Weizmann (above), president of both the international "Jewish Agency" and of the World Zionist Organization (and later Israel's first president), told British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in a letter published in The London Times on September 6, 1939 that:

I wish to confirm, in the most explicit manner, the declarations which I and my colleagues have made during the last month, and especially in the last week, that the Jews stand by Great Britain and will fight on the side of the democracies. Our urgent desire is to give effect to these declarations [against Germany].

We wish to do so in a way entirely consonant with the general scheme of British action, and therefore would place ourselves, in matters big and small, under the coordinating direction of His Majesty's Government. The Jewish Agency is ready to enter into immediate arrangements for utilizing Jewish manpower, technical ability, resources, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hitler himself responded to the Jewish boycott and the threats in a speech on March 28 - four days after the original Jewish declaration of war - saying:

Now that the domestic enemies of the nation have been eliminated by the Volk itself, what we have long been waiting for will not come to pass.

The Communist and Marxist criminals and their Jewish-intellectual instigators, who, having made off with their capital stocks across the border in the nick of time, are now unfolding an unscrupulous, treasonous campaign of agitation against the German Volk as a whole from there....

Lies and slander of positively hair-raising perversity are being launched about Germany. Horror stories of dismembered Jewish corpses, gouged out eyes and hacked off hands are circulating for the purpose of defaming the German Volk in the world for the second time, just as they had succeeded in doing once before in 1914.

Thus, the fact - one conveniently left out of nearly all history on the subject - is that Hitler's March 28, 1933 boycott order was in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership just four days earlier. Today, Hitler's boycott order is described as a naked act of aggression, yet the full circumstances leading up to his order are seldom described in even the most ponderous and detailed histories of "the Holocaust".

www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

Tatarewicz  posted on  2016-06-27   1:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tatarewicz (#12)

The IHR blue sheet said about 150,000 which is no doubt a normal figure for such wartime conditions considering " Civilians killed totalled 50 to 55 million, including 19 to 28 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 21 to 25 million"

en.wikipedia.org/w iki/World_War_II_casualties

I'm hearing and you're hearing it already in the mouths of our friends: "But just one Jue killed is a holocaust!" I had this out with the head of Trump's SC campaign this week. Think I made a dent. Promised to send links, what'd I do with his @ddress.

---------------------------------------- 1st-world dogooders have run 3rd-world population figures sky high, and now they're eating the planet up. Search "the world's disappearing sand"!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-06-27   2:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tatarewicz (#12)

German Jews were regarded as enemy aliens because of international Jewry's declaration of war on the Nazis for their nationalization of Jewish banks. Those sick or otherwise unfit to work in munitions factories went into camps which didn't have much food or other priorities because of war scarcities. Don't think 6-million were killed; 600-thousand may have died, if that.

Well,to start with,the quote was something someone else wrote,not me.

I do agree there were nowhere near 6 million Jews murdered or starved/worked to death,which is a form of slow-motion murder,in the labor and death camps. There MAY have been 6 million PEOPLE murdered in them,but they weren't all Jews by a wide margin. As a percentage of their population,there were more European Gypsies murdered by the Nazi's than there were Jews,but you never hear about them,the Germans,Ukranians,Russians,Poles,etc,etc,etc whose numbers added up to the total.

Or the people who died in medical experiments.

People with a "understanding" of history 1 inch deep have been programmed to think the camps existed solely for Jewish prisoners,and that just ain't true. They think that because after the war it was the non-European Jews who mostly did not a single thing to help the European Jews that has the massive PR machine that made it seem like the Jews had been singled out and were the only ones that suffered under the Nazi's. EVERYBODY suffered under the Nazi's,including the Germans that weren't connected to the political or military leadership.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-27   10:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14)

People with a "understanding" of history 1 inch deep have been programmed to think the camps existed solely for Jewish prisoners,and that just ain't true.
Little

The same moronic history that says the civil war was fought to "free the slaves!"

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-06-27   10:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#6)

The FACT is they were ALL death camps because the Jews and other "undesirables" were either murdered immediately after they arrived,...

Why did the Germans use the coal to transport people halfway across Europe to murder them instead of bayoneting or shooting them where they stood?

If loving Christine from afar is wrong then who among us wants to be right?__Mee neether.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-06-27   10:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

You know, I guess the lesson here is: Oskar Schindler wasn't real. And neither was anything else in that movie.

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X-15  posted on  2016-06-27   11:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16) (Edited)

Why did the Germans use the coal to transport people halfway across Europe to murder them instead of bayoneting or shooting them where they stood?

Because they needed the "free" labor and I am GUESSING because they wanted to keep the camps out of sight of most of the German people as much as possible. Don't forget,they also ran German citizens through them that weren't Jewish,but were "undesirables" because of criminal records,physical disabilities,mental problems,or one that just managed to piss off someone with a little authority.

Don't forget,it wasn't the regular German Army units manning the labor and death camps. It was special units from the SS. Ever regular SS infantry,armor,and other combat arms units were kept away from them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-27   15:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: X-15 (#17)

Oskar Schindler wasn't real.

Yes,he was.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-27   15:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

Don't forget,they also ran German citizens through them that weren't Jewish,but were "undesirables" because of criminal records,physical disabilities,mental problems,or one that just managed to piss off someone with a little authority.

Stephen Spielberg never mentioned non-Jewish camp detainees in any of his films or documentaries.

How did you verify this? The International Red Cross and other presumably reliable info sources have been attacked because their death figures don't support the prevailing Holocaust narrative. (With no explanation as to why they'd lie)

Could you cite your sources and will you stand by them if they've been dismissed by official Holocaust sources?

I mean, one shouldn't cherry pick agreeable facts while attacking others, right? And, because of the controversy, shouldn't you cite your sources for such bold, sweeping statements?

For instance, I asked why the Germans would transport people halfway across Europe only to kill them on arrival and you said, "...because they needed the labor". But, dead people provide no labor. And, why would killing people in faraway Poland be any less suspicious than packing people into rail cars in Germany and having them disappear forever?

And, why would Holocaust supporters take the liberty of speculating to fill in blanks when critics are not permitted the same luxury, and are in fact viciously savaged for it?

If loving Christine from afar is wrong then who among us wants to be right?__Mee neether.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-06-28   10:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)

Stephen Spielberg never mentioned non-Jewish camp detainees in any of his films or documentaries.

Well,never mind in that case. If you can't believe a zillionaire with a personal agenda,who can you believe?

How did you verify this?

I didn't have to verify it. It is established history available from many sources.

The International Red Cross and other presumably reliable info sources have been attacked because their death figures don't support the prevailing Holocaust narrative. (With no explanation as to why they'd lie)

So what? There are people out there every day claiming Hillary Clinton is honest and that Donald Trump is sane and a conservative. People believe all sorts of foolish shit.

Could you cite your sources and will you stand by them if they've been dismissed by official Holocaust sources?

I could if I cared enough to waste my time looking them up. AFAIAC,my job ends after informing you of the established facts. If you can't be bothered to look it up for yourself,that's on you.

I mean, one shouldn't cherry pick agreeable facts while attacking others, right? And, because of the controversy, shouldn't you cite your sources for such bold, sweeping statements?

You sound to me like a propagandist who is only interested in shouting down what are unpleasant truths to you. Eat shit and die.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-28   11:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#21)

Eat shit and die.

Go back and Edit that out, thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-06-28   12:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete, All (#21)

Read carefully:

The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers'

by Robert Faurisson

The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.

Article 19 of the Statutes of the International Military Tribunal (in reality: the Inter-allied Military Tribunal) at Nuremberg

The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.

Article 21 of the Statutes

No one, not even those individuals who regard the Third Reich with nostalgia, denies the existence of concentration camps under Hitler. Everyone also recognizes that certain camps were equipped with crematory ovens: instead of being buried, the corpses were reduced to ashes. The repeated occurrence of epidemics made cremation necessary, especially for those who had died of typhus (see the photos of mass graves at Belsen et cetera). What is disputed by numerous French, British, American, and German authors is the existence of "extermination camps." This expression is used by historiographers to refer to those camps that were supposed to have been equipped with "gas chambers." Allegedly, these "gas chambers" were different from American gas chambers in that they were used to kill hundreds of men, women, and children at a time. Because the victims were chosen because of their race or religion, this is referred to as "genocide." The poison employed in this "genocide" is said to have been Zyklon B (a pesticide based upon prussic or hydrocyanic acid).

Those who contest the "genocide" claim and the existence of the "gas chambers" are called Revisionists. Their argument runs approximately as follows:

It suffices for both of these problems ("genocide" and "gas chambers") to apply the customary methods of historical criticism, to see that one is confronted here by two myths that are inseparable. The criminal intentions that are attributed to Hitler have never been proven. As far as the weapon for this crime is concerned, no one has actually seen it. Here one is confronted by an extraordinarily successful war and hate propaganda campaign. History is full of frauds of this kind, beginning with their religious fables of sorcery and witchcraft. What distinguishes our times from earlier epochs is the frightening power of the media and the propaganda ad nauseam which is made for what must be called "the hoax of the twentieth century." Let him beware who, after 30 years, gets the idea to expose this hoax. He will learn depending upon the situation through imprisonment, fines, assaults and insults. His career can be shattered or endangered. He will be denounced as a Nazi. Either his thesis will be ignored, or else it will be distorted. No country will be more unrelentingly ruthless toward him than Germany. 1

Today however, the silence is about to be broken about those men who have dared to write responsibly that Hitler's "gas chambers" (including those of Auschwitz and Majdanek) are only a historical lie. That is a great advance.

But what insults and distortions an Exterminationist historian such as Georges Wellers allowed himself when, more than ten years after Paul Rassinier's death, he decided to expose the minutest part of the arguments of this ex-inmate of a concentration camp who had had the courage to reveal the lie of the "gas chambers" in his writings!

The best way in which a historian may inform himself regarding the actual claims of the disciples of Paul Rassinier is to refer to the work of American professor Dr. Arthur R. Butz entitled The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. 2

For my part, I take the liberty of making only a few observations specifically for serious research-oriented historians.

I call their attention to a paradox. Although the "gas chambers" are, in the view of the official historians, absolutely central to a picture of the Nazi concentration camp system (and furthermore, as proof for the totally perverse and devilish character of the German concentration camps in comparison to all previous and more recent concentration camps it ought to be meticulously shown how the Nazis proceeded to invent, construct, and operate these fearsome human slaughterhouses), one must be thoroughly astonished that in the impressive bibliography of the concentration camp literature there is not a single book, not a single brochure, not a single article, on the "gas chambers" themselves. One must not be misled by some very promising titles; rather one must ascertain the contents of these writings for oneself. I regard as "official historical writing" those publications which are written about the concentration camps by institutions or foundations that are partly or wholly financed from public funds, such as, for example, in France, the Comité d'Histoire de la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (Committee for the History of the Second World War) and the Centre de Documentation Juive Contemporaire (Jewish Contemporary Documentation Center), and in Germany (Munich), the Institut für Zeitgeschichte (Institute for Contemporary History).

One must wait until page 541 of the thesis by Olga Wormser-Migot on the system of Nazi concentration camps, before one finds a passage about the "gas chambers." However, for the reader there are still three other surprises:

The passage in question covers only three pages. It carries the title: "The Problem of the Gas Chambers." The "problem" consists of trying to determine whether the "gas chambers" at Ravensbrück (Germany) and Mauthausen (Austria) really existed; the author comes to the conclusion that they did not exist; however she does not examine here the "problem" of the "gas chambers" of Auschwitz or any of the other camps, probably because in her mind they do not present a "problem." [on page 157 of her book she says that Auschwitz I had no gas chamber.] At this point, the reader probably wants to know why an analysis that concludes that "gas chambers" did not exist in certain camps is suddenly discontinued as soon as, for example, Auschwitz is discussed. Why, on one hand, is the critical spirit awakened, and then, on the other hand, is it allowed to collapse into lethargy? After all, as far as the "gas chamber" of Ravensbrück is concerned, we have many points of "evidence" and "undeniable eyewitness accounts," beginning with repeated and extensive eyewitness accounts by Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier or Germaine Tillion.

It gets even better. Several years after the war, before both British and French tribunals, the camp officials of Ravensbrück (Suhren, Schwarzhuber and Treite) repeatedly confessed to the existence of a "gas chamber" in their camp. They even vaguely described its operation. Eventually, those who did not commit suicide were executed because of this alleged "gas chamber." The same "confessions" were given prior to their deaths by Ziereis for Mauthausen (Austria) and by Kramer for Struthof-Natzweiler (Alsace).

Today, one can see the alleged "gas chamber" of Struthof-Natzweiler and in the same place one can also read the unbelievable "confession" of Kramer. This "gas chamber," which is designated as an "historical monument," is a complete fraud. The slightest amount of critical spirit will be sufficient to convince oneself that a gassing in this small room, without any sealing whatsoever, would have been a catastrophe for the executioner as well as for the people in the vicinity. In order to make this "gas chamber" (which is guaranteed to be "in its original condition") believable, someone has gone so for as to clumsily knock a hole into the thin wall with a chisel, and thereby break four tiles. The hole was so arranged that Josef Kramer would have dumped through it the mysterious "salts" (about which he could give no further details and which, when mixed with a little water, killed within one minute!). How could salts and water make such a gas? How could Kramer have prevented the gas from coming back out the hole? How could he see his victims from a hole which would have let him see no more than half the room? How did he ventilate the room before opening the rudimentary door, made from rough-cut lumber? Perhaps one must ask the civil engineering firm in Saint-Michel sur-Meurthe (Vosges), which after the war altered the place which today is presented to visitors "in its original condition"?

Even long after the war, prelates, university professors, and some ordinary citizens gave eyewitness descriptions regarding the terrible reality of the "gas chambers" of Buchenwald and Dachau. With regard to Buchenwald, the "gas chamber" gradually disappeared from the minds of the people who had previously maintained that there was one in this camp.

Dachau

With regard to Dachau, the situation is different. After it had been firmly established for example by His Eminence Bishop Piguet, the bishop of Clermont- Ferrand that the "gas chamber" had been especially useful in gassing Polish priests,3 eventually the following official explanation came to pass:

This gas chamber, whose construction had been started in 1942, was still not completed in 1945 when the camp was liberated. No one could have been gassed in it.

The little room, which visitors are told is a "gas chamber," is in reality completely harmless and, while all sorts of construction plans are available for "Baracke X" (the crematorium and vicinity), one cannot determine upon what basis or technical explanation one can claim that this structure is an "unfinished gas chamber."

Broszat

No official historical institute has done more than the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich to make the myth of the "gas chambers" believable. Since 1972 its director has been Dr. Martin Broszat. As a member of this Institute since 1955, Dr. Broszat became famous as a result of his (partial!) publication in 1958 of the confessions that Rudolf Höss (former Commandant of Auschwitz) is supposed to have written in a communist prison before he was hanged. However, on 19 August 1960, this historian had to tell his amazed countrymen that there had never been mass gassings in the entire Old Reich (Germany's 1937 frontiers), but rather, only in a small number of selected places, especially in occupied Poland, including Auschwitz and Birkenau but not Majdanek. This startling news was given in a simple letter to the editor which was published in the weekly magazine Die Zeit (19 August 1960, page 16). The title was quite misleading and restrictive: Keine Vergasung in Dachau (No Gassing at Dachau) instead of Keine Massenvergasung im Altreich (No Mass Gassing in the Old Reich).4 In order to support this contention, Dr. Broszat provided not the slightest piece of evidence. Today [1978], eighteen years after his letter, neither he nor any of his colleagues has provided the slightest explanation for this affirmation. It would be highly interesting to learn:

How does Dr. Broszat know that "gas chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? How does he know that the "gas chambers" in Poland are genuine? Why do the "proofs," the "certainties," and the "eyewitness accounts" concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly have no value, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the camps in Poland Communist territory still remain true?

As if by some tacit agreement, not a single recognized historian has raised these questions. How often in the "history of history" has one relied upon the claims of a single historian? 5

German Camps in Occupied Poland

Let us now examine the "gas chambers" in Poland.

For proof that the "gas chambers" in Belzec or Treblinka really existed, one is asked to rely essentially upon the statement of Kurt Gerstein. This document from a member of the SS, who allegedly committed suicide in 1945 in the prison of Cherche-Midi in Paris, abounds with so many absurdities that in the eyes of historians it has for a long time already been thoroughly discredited.6 Furthermore, this statement has never been made public, not even in the documents of the Nuremberg tribunal, except in an unusable form (with truncations, falsifications, and rewritings). The actual document has never been available with its absurd appendices (French "draft" or the "supplements" in German).

Regarding Majdanek, a visit to the actual site is absolutely necessary. It is even more convincing than a visit to Struthof-Natzweiler, if that is possible. Over this question I will publish additional information.

With regard to Auschwitz and Birkenau, one must rely essentially on the "Memoirs" 7 of Rudolf Höss, which were prepared under the supervision of his Polish captors. At the actual site, one can only find a "reconstructed" room (Auschwitz I) and ruins (Auschwitz II or Birkenau).

An execution with gas has nothing to do with a suicidal or accidental suffocation. In the case of an execution, the executioner and his team must not be exposed to the slightest danger. For their executions, the Americans employ hydrocyanic acid in a sophisticated way, and that only in a small, hermetically-sealed chamber. Afterwards, the gas is exhausted from the chamber and neutralized.

For this reason, one must ask how, for example in the case of Auschwitz II or Birkenau, one could bring 2,000 people into a room measuring 210 square meters in area, and then in this highly crowded situation throw in the very strong pesticide Zyklon B, and then immediately after the deaths of the victims let a work crew without any gas masks enter the room in order to take out the bodies which had been thoroughly saturated with cyanide.

Two documents8 from the German industrial archives which were registered by the Americans at Nuremberg tell us that the Zyklon B had a strong tendency to adhere to surfaces and could not be removed from an ordinary room with a strong ventilator, but only by natural aeration for almost 24 hours. Additional documents may be found only at the site in the Auschwitz Museum archives, which were never described elsewhere, but which show that this room of 210 square meters, which is today in a dilapidated condition, was only a very simple mortuary, which (in order to protect it against heat) had been located underground, and which was provided with only a single door which served as both an entrance and an exit. 9

Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.

Christophersen

"I was in Auschwitz and I can assure you that there was no 'gas chamber' there." Only seldom does one hear defense witnesses with enough courage to pronounce this statement. They are persecuted in the courts. 10 Still today, everyone in Germany takes the risk that, if they give an eyewitness account in favor of Thies Christophersen (who wrote The Auschwitz Lie), they will be punished for '"defaming the memory of the deceased." 11

Immediately after the war, the Germans, the International Red Cross and the Vatican (which was otherwise so expert as to whatever happened in Poland), as well as many others, declared in an embarrassed tone: "The 'gas chambers' we knew nothing about them!" Yes but I would put the question this way:"Can one know about things which did not even happen?"

There was not a single "gas chamber" in even one of the German concentration camps; that is the truth. The nonexistence of "gas chambers" should be regarded as welcome news; to hide this news in the future would be an injustice. Just as there is no attack upon a religion if one portrays "Fatima" as a fraud, the announcement that the "gas chambers" are an historical lie is no attack upon concentration camp survivors. One is merely doing one's duty being truthful.

Conclusions

After 30 years of research, revisionist authors have reached the following conclusions:

1. The Hitler "gas chambers" never existed.

2. The "genocide" (or "attempted genocide") of the Jews never took place. In other words: Hitler never gave an order nor permission that anyone should be killed because of his race or religion.

3. The alleged "gas chambers" and the alleged "genocide" are one and the same lie.

4. This lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.

5. The principal victims of this fraud are the German people (but not the German rulers) and the entire Palestinian people.

6. The enormous power of the official information services has, thus far, had the effect of ensuring the success of the lie and of censoring the freedom of expression of those who have denounced the lie.

7. The participants in this lie know that its days are numbered. They distort the purpose and nature of the Revisionist research. They label as "resurgence of Nazism" or as "falsification of history" what is only a thoughtful and justified concern for historical truth.

Supplement

Two publications and an official intervention by the author:

A letter to Historama, Paris, November 1975, page 10, on the expression "N.N." Originally, these initials never meant Nacht und Nebel (Night and Fog), but Nomen nescio (Anonymous). ln practice it meant that certain inmates would not be permitted to receive or send mail.

Segments of a letter to Historia, Paris, August 1977, page 132: "The Imposture of Genocide."

On 29 January 1978 at the Colloque National de Lyon sur Eglises et Chrétiens de France dans la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (National Convention in Lyon on Churches and Christians of France during the Second World War) an intervention concerning the imposture of the "gas chambers" (see Rivarol, Paris, 16 February 1978, page 5).

Notes

Regarding the great number of vicious and insulting articles, there is a study by Hermann Langbein which appeared in Le Monde Juif (The Jewish World), April/June 1975. The title is "Coup d'oeil sur la littérature néo-nazie," ("A Glimpse at Neo- Nazi Literature"), pages 8-20. Hermann Langbein was an inmate in Auschwitz. He testified at countless trials. He holds an important position in the circles of former concentration camp inmates. One of his most recent works is entitled: Hommes et Femmes à Auschwitz (Men and Women of Auschwitz), Paris, Fayard, 1975, VIII-529 pages (Translated from Menschen in Auschwitz, Vienna, 1974.) Not one of the 30 chapters, not one of the 268 sections of this book is devoted to the "gas chambers"! Rather, one constantly sees expressions such as "selection for the gas chambers" etc. There is also a study by Georges Wellers which appeared in Le Monde Juif (op. cit.) April/June 1977. The title is "La 'Solution finale', de la question juive et la mythomanie néo-nazie" ("The "Final Solution" and Neo-Nazi Mythomania,"), pages 41-84. There is also a study by Ino Arndt and Wolfgang Scheffler in Viertelsjahreshefte für Zeitgeschichte (Quarterly Review for Contemporary History), which is a publication of the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. The Institute's director is currently Dr. Martin Broszat. This study was published in the issue of April 1976. The title is: "Organisierter Massenmord an Juden in NS-Vernichtungslagern" (Organized Mass-Murder of Jews in Nazi Extermination Camps), pages 105-135. The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1979. Prison et Déportation (Prison and Deportation). Paris: Spes; 1947; page 77. Broszat's letter is reproduced in facsimile (with its English translation) in The Journal of Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 12. The famed Simon Wiesenthal has also admitted that "there were no extermination camps on German soil" in a letter to the editor of Books and Bookmen, page 5, April 1975. Although he later wrote in a letter dated 12 May 1986 to Professor John George of Central State University in Edmond, Oklahoma, that he "could never have said such a thing," Wiesenthal reconfirmed his earlier statement in a letter to the editor published on page 14 of the European editor of Stars and Stripes dated 24 January 1993. This letter is reproduced in facsimile in The Journal for Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 10. See the opinion expressed by the forensic pathologist as it is reported by the Exterminationist Pierre Joffroy in his book about Kurt Gerstein: L'Espion de Dieu/La Passion de Kurt Gerstein (The Spy of God/The Passion of Kurt Gerstein), Paris, Grasset, 1969, page 262. Kommandant in Auschwitz/Autobiographische Aufzeichnungen (Commandant of Auschwitz/Autobiographical Memoirs) by Rudolf Höss, Stuttgart, Deutsche Verlags- Anstalt, 1958,184p; introduction and commentary by Dr. Martin Broszat. Concerning "gassing," see pages 126 and 166. The entry of the work crew into the "gas chamber" is supposed to happen "sofort" ("immediately") as it is written on page 166. These two extensive documents which are of great importance were apparently not used at the trials of Gerhard Peters, former director of Degesch. They were registered as documents NI-9098 and NI-9912. They irrevocably reduce to nothing the "eyewitness testimony" of Höss regarding the "gas chambers." Photographs Neg. 6228 and following. Case of Wilhelm Stäglich, for example. See Stäglich in the Index Nominum of Butz's book (op. cit.). Die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Lie), #23 of Kritik (2341 Kälberhagen, Post Mohrkirch, West Germany), 1974. This booklet was followed by Der Auschwitz- Betrug/Das Echo auf die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Fraud/The Echo of the Auschwitz Lie.). Bibliographic information Author:

Faurisson, Robert Title:

The "Problem of the Gas Chambers" Source:

The Journal for Historical Review (http://www.ihr.org) Date:

Summer 1980 Issue:

Volume 1 number 2 Location:

Page 103 ISSN:

0195-6752 Attribution: "Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, USA. Domestic subscriptions $40 per year; foreign subscriptions $60 per year." Please send a copy of all reprints to the Editor.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html

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randge  posted on  2016-06-28   18:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge (#23)

Wow, thank you!

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Lod  posted on  2016-06-28   18:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lod, All (#24)

You're welcome.

For those not familiar with Robert Faurisson.

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randge  posted on  2016-06-28   19:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#21)

You sound to me like a propagandist who is only interested in shouting down what are unpleasant truths to you. Eat shit and die.

Phunnie!

So, to politely ask you, a self styled authority for validation is "shouting you down"? (Just how does one shout with text on the internet, anyway? Do you hear voices when challenged, however civilly?) It won't take much of this before folks begin to question your grasp of the meanings of words you use.

Are we to assume that A) you're a well informed authority on the subject and, B) you'll tolerate nothing but blind acceptance of your testy assertions? How are intelligent people to reconcile your expectations with possible symptoms of arrested development, BPD and a coprophagia fixation? (I'm not qualified to diagnose, only to make a referral to those who are.)

Your insults are not only symptomatic, but a poor smokescreen for historical ignorance.

Here's a truism you'd better start warming up to: You are no more entitled to opinions you cannot validate than you're entitled to merchandise you cannot pay for.

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-06-28   19:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: randge (#23)

You can copy and paste a whole book if you want,but that doesn't mean the author doesn't have an agenda.

Death camps were real the last couple of years of the war. The Nazi's had quit selling Jews to rich relatives in the US and other places,and they weren't about to feed,clothe,and house non-productive people. The only alternative was to murder them.

Granted,the number of victims of outright murder has been highly exaggerated,but they had a habit of sending elderly people who weren't able to work,young mothers with young children who couldn't work,people born retarded,the insane,people with birth defects that prevented them from working,and troublemakers/criminals straight to the gas chambers or the execution pits.

Even the prisoners that were healthy enough to work when they arrived that they escaped immediate execution were "slowly executed" by overwork,starvation,and unchecked disease. The Nazi's didn't care because there was always another train load coming along.

Besides this,I have seen SS units that followed behind the front line troops herd small villages of me,women,and children into their churches,and then nail the doors and windows shut and burn the churches down with flame throwers. They did all this while smiling for the camera.

And YES,the gas chambers WERE REAL. Anybody that tells you any different is either a liar or delusional. I have personally seen captured Nazi film of people going into the gas chamber,the guards hooking up hoses to running truck (early in the war) or just dropping the gas canisters down a pipe leading to the "shower room" and smiling for the camera. I have even seen films of prisoners removing the bodies and hosing down the showers to prepare them for the next train load.

BTW,small children old enough they weren't dependent on their mothers weren't executed because their small hands made them useful in some types of assembly work. Some women were spared the labor camps to work as sex providers for German troops,and some men,women,and children were picked out of the lines to be used as subjects in medical experiments.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-28   19:40:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)

You are nothing but a propagandist and most likely a neo-Nazi. Nobody else is that ignorant and arrogant,and brags about it.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-28   19:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#22)

Eat shit and die.

Go back and Edit that out, thanks.

No.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-28   19:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HOUNDDAWG, sneakypete (#26)

a poor smokescreen for historical ignorance.

This is unforgivable in my book. History is important to all. Those who fail to know history are doomed to repeat it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-28   20:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: randge (#25)

Robert Faurisson

Historical revisionist, par exelence. ;)

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BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-28   20:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#23)

The Hitler "gas chambers" never existed.

True. There was an American scientist, Fred Leuchter, who went to Auschwitz. He was able to take a scraping from the wall of the "purported" gas chamber. He had it tested for the chemical agent which was said to be used to gas the Jews. It tested negative. ;)

www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/leuchter.html

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BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-28   20:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

When I worked for the State of Illinois, I had a German (Austrian) American as a foreman. He lived in Skokie, where the Jews lived before they moved up and out.

When Germany annexed the Sudetenland, he volunteered for the Waffen SS. Since he was not a native German he could not join the Wehrmacht.

His father protested to the camp commander that he was being treated too harshly in boot camp. He was arrested as a "dissenter" and sent to the camps in Germany. The last I heard he still had not found a trace of him. Many people disappeared in those camps.

He was captured by the Russians. He was riding on a wagon with a female guard. She fell asleep and dropped her rifle. He jumped off the wagon and picked up the rifle and woke her up. She gave him a big kiss. She said if she had lost her rifle they would have killed her.

Old Kraus is likely dead a long time now since he was not in very good health as it was.

BTW, those camps were called "death camps" because of the Typhus epidemics which raged thru them. One famous German Jewish girl, Anne Frank, died of Typhus in the camps in Germany. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-28   21:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: BTP Holdings (#33)

Whoa, the Nazis abused their troops and "disappeared" dissenters? You're bursting my bubble :-)

I and many entertain noble fantasies about Hitler and company, even though they basically gave us Izrul as much as England did -- right? Whoa, "the diplomat Martin Luther" :-)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mada gascar_Plan

The Germans did commit a 20th-century genocide. Anybody know where?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-06-28   21:52:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#27)

Read carefully.

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randge  posted on  2016-06-28   21:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

In theory, these people are going have died off by -- what, 2044? No doubt Jues born 5 minutes before the surrender will still be applying for reparations because, after all, they're HOLLOWCAUST SURVIVORS!

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-06-28   22:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BTP Holdings, HOUNDDAWG (#30)

a poor smokescreen for historical ignorance.

This is unforgivable in my book. History is important to all. Those who fail to know history are doomed to repeat it. ;)

HOUNDDAWG is a Nazi fan boi. You might as well argue with a Jesuit about Christ.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-29   5:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: BTP Holdings (#33)

BTW, those camps were called "death camps" because of the Typhus epidemics which raged thru them. One famous German Jewish girl, Anne Frank, died of Typhus in the camps in Germany. ;)

They were called "Death Camps" because everybody that went to one of them tended to die from actual murder,starvation,or disease. In other words,they all died.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-29   5:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: randge (#35)

Read carefully.

I don't have to read it carefully. I wrote it.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-06-29   5:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#38)

They were called "Death Camps" because everybody that went to one of them tended to die from actual murder,starvation,or disease. In other words,they all died.

I'm sorry but it seems you suffer from cognitive dissonance. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-06-29   6:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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