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Title: CHANGE THE LYRICS: Cops Didn't 'Take It Easy' On A Corner In Winslow, Arizona, When they Gunned This Girl Down
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2016/Loreal-Tsingine-winslow-ariz.html
Published: Aug 3, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-08-03 15:51:06 by Artisan
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It's so very sad when there are so many of these damn trigger-happy cops murdering people that I cant even keep track of them anymore. The latest case, a travesty of justice is a cop in Winslow Arizona who killed a beautiful 27-year old woman, Loreal Tsingine. Police had been called with claims that the native American woman and mother had stolen beer from a Circle K convenience store. They responded by summarily executing her on the street, shooting her four times. The cop, as usual in these cases where the cops/government investigate cops, got off scot-free.

The investigation and subsequent whitewash in this case were particularly rapid, with the killing occurring in March, on Easter Sunday, and the conclusion reached in July.
This news comes out the same week that the corrupt Attorney General in Idaho announced that two deputies in Council, Idaho would not be criminally prosecuted for killing 62-year-old rancher Jack Yantis last November 1st. The sheriff of the town glibly quipped that We Have A Rodeo Going On, The Yantis Decision "Is An Unnecessary Distraction"
Here is a photo of Loreal Tsingine, from Winslow:

Native News Online reports:

"The decision was issued by the office of Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery, in a letter dated July 19, 2016 to Winslow Police Department chief of police Stephen Garnett. The case was investigated by the Arizona Department of Public Safety. Their report was sent to the Navajo County Attorney’s Office where Winslow is located. That office punted the report to the Maricopa County prosecutor’s office for review and indicated there will be no charges against Shipley.
Since being employed as a police officer for the Winslow Police Department Shipley has received poor reviews.
Prior to being hired by the Winslow Police Department, he was not given a good recommendation by at least two officers who trained him to become a police officer, according to The Associated Press.
According to The Associated Press, the two officers had “concerns about his work, including that he was too quick to go for his service weapon, ignored directives from superiors and falsified reports." [link]

Look a this cop with his death-worshipping t-shirt! The most ironic thing is that the cop literally looks identical to the fictional death character on his t-shirt.
They certainly didn't take to heart the line from 'Take it easy' in Winslow.
By the way, I've been through Winslow many times, it's always seemed like a pleasant, sleepy town off I-40 in the middle of nowhere, AZ.
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
There's a moral there. As soon as truth and justice start to matter to people as much as Eagles songs, this will be America again.

Correction: it will be America for the firstime.

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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 16:08:08 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: All, lod, neoconsnailed, randge, titorite (#0)
here is the video. very spooky and pathetic, we live in an insane country,.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-08-03 17:22:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)
thats a very interesting pic. ive been there man times and never saw it. I will have to look for it now.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-08-03 17:23:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Artisan (#3)
"Second St. & Kinsley Ave." - wikid.
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 17:46:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Artisan (#0)
No profession is free of bad apples and that includes police and trucking.
I'm not sure how Associated Press got hold of Police Officer Shipley's personnel records at his previous job. Typically employment records are highly confidential and do not need to be released in response to FOI requests by the press. Assuming AP did not have privy to Shipley's personnel records, then what they published was based on hearsay, gossip.
Officer Shipley's T-shirt symbolizes zero to me about his professional conduct. It's a cheap made in China T-shirt that he or his SO purchased at Walmart, which he wore off duty in his personal life.
As for the incident that went down involving the suspect, Ms. Loreal Tsingin, BASED ON VIDEO and WITNESS STATEMENTS it was judged to be a justified officer shooting. The "lovely"Native American , Ms. Tsingin, matched the description of a shoplifting suspect, who had harassed store employees. When Officer Shipley stopped her on the street, she resisted arrest and took a swipe at Officer Shipley with scissors. Shipley retreated to his car to get his service weapon. Shipley warned her multiple times to drop the scissors, which she refused to do. She continued to advance on him and threaten him with the scissors.
Sorry but this was Darwin's Law in action. Officer Shipley did not victimize Ms. Tsingin. She was a victim of her own stupidity and/or alcohol/drug addled brain.
You cannot resist arrest, take a swipe at a LEO with sharp scissors; then continue to advance on the LEO after he retreated, not comply with numerous warnings to drop the weapon, and not expect a lethal force response.
Did you even read the news release giving the background of the incident?
News Release by Maricopa County Attorney’s Office
Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery has announced that no charges will be filed against Winslow Police Officer Austin Shipley in the shooting that led to the death of Loreal Tsingine.
“After a careful review of the facts surrounding this case, including available video evidence and witness statements from all involved, my Office has found no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of Officer Shipley,” said Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery.
On the afternoon of March 27, 2016, Winslow Police received multiple calls from a Circle K convenience store of a woman shoplifting and harassing store employees. Officers responded to the scene, but the suspect had already left the store. Officers began to search for her and Shipley located the suspect walking west on West Fourth Street in Winslow within proximity to the Circle K.
Officer Shipley attempted to detain her, but the suspect did not comply with orders and while resisting arrest, she was taken to the ground. The officer saw that she was holding scissors, which she swung at him. He then retreated with his duty weapon drawn and gave multiple commands for the suspect to stop and drop her weapon. She did not comply but instead got up and aggressively advanced on the officer with scissors in hand. Officer Shipley discharged his weapon and the suspect was pronounced deceased at the scene.

scrapper2 posted on 2016-08-03 17:47:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)
Was she related to Michael Brown?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-08-03 18:08:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: scrapper2 (#5)
If police can't handle a woman with scissors short of killing her, it's a cross between Police Academy and Orwell's 1984.

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NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 18:43:00 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Artisan (#0)
FYI Ms. Tsingine was not the lovely innocent you have portrayed in your opinion piece.
She had a rap sheet - including 3 run- in's with the law in the past year - she tried to grab a LEO's gun from his holster in one of those recent incidents. Actually there was an outstanding arrest warrant for her apprehension at the time she encountered Officer Shipley. "At the time of her death, a warrant for her arrest was active. Tsingine, 27, was wanted on suspicion of breaking the terms of her parole in a case in which she had admitted assaulting an officer."
Shipley had every reason to fear for his life when this unstable criminal ( who had previously tried to threaten another officer ) when she advanced on him with scissors. Her aunt admitted "Tsingine took medication to help with her issues. The drugs would cause Tsingine to act out..."
Was Shipley supposed to sacrifice his life for this homicidal crazy? His actions re: Ms. T should be judged on the basis of the situation he faced on March 27, 2016 not on hearsay or sound bites from people not present at the event that went down between him and Ms. Tsingine.
Bullet proof vests do not protect against knifing attacks. Jodie Arias showed what a petite determined woman can do to fell a larger male in under a minute with a sharp object. Keep in mind that American LEO's are trained to observe "the 21 foot rule." The 21-foot rule was developed in the early 1980's by Lt. John Tueller, a firearms instructor with the Salt Lake City Police Department. Based on numerous drills, Tueller showed that it was entirely possible for a suspect armed with a knife to "fatally engage an officer armed with a handgun within a distance of 21 feet " with no impediment like a police car blocking the suspect. There was no impediment between Officer Shipley and Tsingine when she charged at him with her scissors.
www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2016/04/21/loreal-tsingine-navajo-woman- killed-winslow/83244882/
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Three brushes with the law
Tsingine's three brushes with the law in northeast Arizona in 2015 were detailed in court and police documents obtained by The Arizona Republic through public-records requests.
Her first arrest occurred on April 23, 2015, when she was taken into custody at a Family Dollar in Holbrook, on suspicion of shoplifting. She later was released and was ordered to participate in a counseling program.
She was told to stay away from the business and to show up in several weeks for a court hearing.
Tsingine never appeared, according to Holbrook Justice Court records, and a warrant was issued for her arrest.
On June 3, in the late afternoon, the Apache County Sheriff’s Office was alerted by a store clerk that Tsingine was running around the R.B. Burnham Co. trading post in Sanders, refusing to leave, according to police records.
Apache County sheriff's Deputy Jesus Estrada was dispatched to assist.
When he arrived, the clerk pointed south, saying that Tsingine had left and was heading to a car wash down the street. The deputy found her behind the business’ office, tampering with an electrical panel filled with wires, his report said.
Tsingine was aggressively swinging a padlock in her hand, Estrada said in his report.
“I told her to place the lock back where she got it from,” Estrada wrote. “She placed it back on the electrical box mumbling, ‘I was just looking …’ ”
“It didn’t have to end the way it did. They could’ve helped her … saved her.” Anna Guerrero Tsingine at first seemed dazed and confused but she quickly became “upset and resentful,” according to Estrada's report. Asked for her name, she replied “Barnell Yazzie,” saying her birthday was June 11, 2015. She ignored further questions and continued to mumble incoherent words.
Suddenly, Tsingine clenched her fists and lunged toward Estrada aggressively, his report said. He ordered her to stop, and for a moment he thought she was complying as she slowed her movements and looked around.
Estrada approached her and attempted to grab her wrist to place her under arrest, his report said. She pulled away. He pinned her against the front hood of his patrol vehicle and made a radio call requesting backup.
Tsingine pushed Estrada back by placing her legs on the car. Her right hand came loose and she gripped the handle of his holstered pistol, Estrada said in his report. The gun stayed secured.
Estrada took Tsingine to the ground on her back. She kicked and punched him in the stomach until he was able to flip her around and handcuff her, his report said.
She was arrested on suspicion of threatening and intimidating, resisting arrest, providing false information, aggravated assault on an officer, and an attempt to control an officer's firearm.
Tsingine was released July 14 and was told to appear for a court hearing in late August.
She was arrested again on Aug. 24 in Holbrook when she was found at a public bus stop consuming alcohol. She spent two days in the Navajo County Jail and then was released on a $300 bond.
Four days later, she failed to show up for her court hearing on the officer-assault allegations, and a warrant was issued for her arrest by an Apache County Superior Court judge.

scrapper2 posted on 2016-08-03 18:48:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
If police can't handle a woman with scissors short of killing her, it's a cross between Police Academy and Orwell's 1984.

See my #8 post.
The Tueller "21-Foot Rule" has been a part of police officers' training US wide the past 36 years because numerous drills show that a suspect armed with a knife can kill a police officer armed with a handgun within a distance of 21 feet.
Ms. Tsinigine had a rap sheet. She had previously assaulted a police officer 9 months before her encounter with Officer Shipley. She had an outstanding arrest warrant. She acted aggressively towards staff at the Circle K store where she shop lifted goods. She took a swipe with the scissors at Officer Shipley when she was resisting arrest and he was unarmed. Shipley retreated and gave Ms. Tsingine multiple warnings to drop the scissors. She not only did not comply, she continued her advance on Shipley within 21 feet of him. At that point, he had gotten his fire arm from the police car. Hello!
Furthermore Ms. Tsingine was a mentally unstable woman. Her aunt admitted that Ms. Tsangine was on medications that caused her to "act out." Crazies on drugs kill people all the time. What was Shipley supposed to do? Sing Kumbyeyah and hope Tsingine would sing in harmony with him??
Whether or not Shipley had criticisms about his performance in his previous job is irrelevant. His actions were evaluated re: the hostile unstable armed suspect he faced on March 27, 2016, who refused to comply with his lawful requests to disarm herself and instead advanced on him.
Woulda coulda shoulda suggestions by keyboard commandos about peacefully taking down an armed crazed suspect with a rap sheet that included a previous assault on a LEO are bull crap.
The U.S. Supreme Court 1989 ruling ( Graham v. Connor ) stated that each high-risk encounter during a rapidly evolving situation is unique. There's no one-size fits all in police action events where force is used. Shipley's use of force was reasonable under Grahm v. Connor.
See wiki:
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"Because the test of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment is not capable of precise definition or mechanical application," the test's "proper application requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case."
The Court then outlined a nonexhaustive list of factors for balancing an individual's rights and an officer's: "the severity of the crime at issue," "whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others," "whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."

scrapper2 posted on 2016-08-03 19:30:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
Police are trained and are justified to kill not maim an armed suspect who threatens them.
3 recent US Supreme Court rulings support the police in this regard:
w ww.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/shooting_to_kill_why_police_ar.html
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In 1985 the Supreme Court ruled that a person posing an immediate threat of serious physical harm allows police to justifiably shoot them.
In 1989, the Supreme cCurt said officers can use deadly force if it is proven to be reasonable based on the unique circumstances of a situation.
In 1994 the Supreme Court ruled that police are not required to use less lethal force (like pepper spray or a Taser) before resorting to deadly force (a gun) if there is a threat to someone's life.

scrapper2 posted on 2016-08-03 19:43:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Lod (#6)
Was she related to Michael Brown?

Ha! No kidding.
I don't where people get the stupid idea that they can refuse to comply with police orders and assault or threaten assault and live to see the light of day.
An ordered civil society is based on rule of law. Without rule of law, societies can quickly devolve into anarchy and chaos.
Police officers enforce the law. Police officers are not paid to be surrogate parents or social workers or psychologists to law breakers.
If a person doesn't like the police officer's request or conduct, write a letter of complaint and/or contact an attorney AFTER the encounter. But at the time of the police encounter, COMPLY with his f'ing orders and DO NOT THREATEN HIM.
Geez Louise. Ms. Tsingine's and Michael Brown's parents failed them miserably if they didn't teach their deceased offspring some basic, simple rules of getting by in Life.

scrapper2 posted on 2016-08-03 20:11:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: scrapper2 (#11)
It must have been at least five or six years ago, but I'll never forget the time I asked a very left-wing co-worker what would happen if every "Social Worker" in the country found themselves without a job. Millions of dead children, I was told. I brought up Darwin and let it go, I had work to do.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 20:27:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Dakmar (#12)
Millions of children who would then not be given enough drugs to kill an elephant, more likely.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-08-03 20:44:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: scrapper2 (#11)
If a person doesn't like the police officer's request or conduct, write a letter of complaint and/or contact an attorney AFTER the encounter. But at the time of the police encounter, COMPLY with his f'ing orders and DO NOT THREATEN HIM.

TV education shows.
Society is terminally ill with PC virus.
Hate has been the daily staple for far too long.

Cynicom posted on 2016-08-03 20:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
Hate has been here since the Garden of Eden shut down and Satan was given dominion over the earth.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-08-03 21:02:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Lod (#15)
Hate has been here since the Garden of Eden shut down and Satan was given dominion over the earth.

Been here too long to accept that.
Hate and love have always been with mankind.
However when hate is taught and accepted by society, that is a modification of Gods law by mere man.
Trump wants federal government out of education, once and for all, that is a start. Society will elect the Clintons once again. Why will they do so, because they are TV educated.

Cynicom posted on 2016-08-03 21:15:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Lod (#13) (Edited)
Aurora motorcycle altercation sparks community reaction: 'They're acting like a gang of thugs'" - ChiTrib
Val Ojeda, president of Aurora's Foundation for the Advancement of Mexican Americans and a self-proclaimed community leader, said the incident – which involved thrown punches and yelled insults before the video-recorded showdown in the middle of a city intersection – angered him greatly.
"They're acting like a gang of thugs," Ojeda said. "It was very, very embarrassing."
He called out the participants in a Facebook post, stating they should be ashamed of themselves. In an interview with the Beacon-News, he publicly apologized for the behavior of any Hispanics involved in the stunt ride.
I respect Ojeda for this. People...All People, have to take responsibility for their own lives. It seem like blacks and SJWs are about the only ones that still don't get that.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 21:24:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: All (#17)
It's not that Ojeda was in any way responsible flor the actions of "poeople who looked like him", mind you, I was just comparing and contrasting this with what I would expect to hear from the bantus about how bikey boy was being oppressed.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 21:30:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: scrapper2, all (#9)
It still seems a real stretch. Does anybody here think Shipley couldn't have held off a woman armed with scissors till reinforcements arrived?
Mind you, I'm not in the least sorry the world has one less persistently insane fool in it, but police are lawless now and getting more so with the full blessing and backing of departments. Excessive force they'll use on her, they'll use on us too.
Times have radically changed since ADL and SPLC started brainwashing the institutions.

(Speaking of which........ BLLLEAAAGHHH.)
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“We build but to tear down. Most of our work and resource is squandered. Our onward march is marked by devastation. Everywhere there is an appalling loss of time, effort and life. A cheerless view, but true.” - Tesla per FP
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 21:40:32 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)
Mind you, I'm not in the least sorry the world has one less persistently insane fool in it, but police are lawless now and getting more so with the full blessing and backing of departments. Excessive force they'll use on her, they'll use on us too.

One might carry that idea forward by noting that the Federal government, from president on down is leading this hate parade for police????
Might there be an ultimate agenda or goal???
It will be to FEDERALIZE ALL POLICE.
That way there will no more bad policeman slaughtering totally innocent Americans at will, with no justice.
Yah, whee, no more bad cops. The TV educated are so happy.
Review the Gestapo and NKVD, to see how that turned out.

Cynicom posted on 2016-08-03 21:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Cynicom (#16)
Accept it or not, it's the Gospel truth.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-08-03 21:54:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)
Excessive force they'll use on her, they'll use on us too.

Cops around here are nice to me, I fully support brutality against gang members.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 21:55:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Cynicom (#20)
It will be to FEDERALIZE ALL POLICE.

Because Democracy Doesn't Work! :)
That's right, the only way to rid any system of corruption is to concentrate power into as small a group as you can get away with without being lynched.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 21:58:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Dakmar (#22)
Oh, well, if they're nice to me personally that means they're fine nationwide.
Gangs are a completely different subject. I want to know why politicians never ban 'em.
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“We build but to tear down. Most of our work and resource is squandered. Our onward march is marked by devastation. Everywhere there is an appalling loss of time, effort and life. A cheerless view, but true.” - Tesla per FP
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 22:13:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: NeoconsNailed (#24)
I'm surprised that Rahm hasn't banned them along with the guns...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2016-08-03 22:21:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: NeoconsNailed (#24)
Gangs are a completely different subject. I want to know why politicians never ban 'em.

Republicans are pussies and Democrats need their votes.
"We need more H-1B visas, because source code is rotting in the fields." - Countenance Blog
Dakmar posted on 2016-08-03 22:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: scrapper2 (#8)
Thanks for the info on her record, but that has nothing to do with this specific incident. Did you even watch the vid? The whole thing is a minute long. They took out the audio, coincidence?
I don't know where you got the idea that the cop went back to his car to get his gun. He approached her on the street, threw her on the ground, she got up angry, walked toward him and he fired, killing her. I do not have to claim she's an angel or debate her supposed rap sheet. Was that wise of her to react that way? Obviously not. But was it necessary for the cop to escalate it from the start? No. It was a petty shoplifting accusation called in by a circle k. If you think that a killing is necessary for a cop in that situation that's beyond the pale. He is a proven trigger happy maniac. This was a needless.murder.
Any competent man could've deescalated the situation and at the very least disabled her very easily with no permanent damage. You can even see The shock on The 2nd cops face as The killer points The gun toward both of them. The problem is they are not taught to deescalate. It's kill first.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2016-08-03 22:35:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Lod (#25)
I guess he supports diversity and nontraditional economics.
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“We build but to tear down. Most of our work and resource is squandered. Our onward march is marked by devastation. Everywhere there is an appalling loss of time, effort and life. A cheerless view, but true.” - Tesla per FP
NeoconsNailed posted on 2016-08-03 22:40:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)
He was working off the effects of that eightball they'd just snorted off of Kim Kardashian's ass.

Obnoxicated posted on 2016-08-03 23:56:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: scrapper2, all (#8)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
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