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Title: Libertarianism and Racism
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08 ... m-vance/libertarianism-racism/
Published: Aug 16, 2016
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2016-08-16 08:39:45 by Ada
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Views: 204
Comments: 11

Because the most non-libertarian Libertarian Party, presidential ticket in history is vying for the presidency, it is imperative now more than ever that libertarianism, rightly defined and applied, be explained to the masses.

Whenever I speak or write about libertarianism, I invariably refer to libertarianism greatest philosopher and theorist, Murray Rothbard (1926-1995). Here is his classic statement on libertarianism:

Libertarianism is not and does not pretend to be a complete moral, or aesthetic theory; it is only a political theory, that is, the important subset of moral theory that deals with the proper role of violence in social life. Political theory deals with what is proper or improper for the government to do, and the government is distinguished from every other group in society as being the institution of organized violence. Libertarianism holds that the only proper role of violence is to defend person and property against violence, that any use of violence that goes beyond such just defense is itself aggressive, unjust, and criminal. Libertarianism, therefore, is a theory which states that everyone should be free of violent invasion, should be free to do as he sees fit except invade the person or property of another. What a person does with his or her life is vital and important, but is simply irrelevant to libertarianism.

And here is one of his classic statements on the nonaggression theory that underlies libertarianism:

The fundamental axiom of libertarian theory is that no one may threaten or commit violence (“aggress”) against another man’s person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a non-aggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory.

Libertarianism maintains that people should be free from individual, societal, or government interference to live life any way they desire, pursue happiness, accumulate wealth, assess risk, make choices, engage in commerce with anyone who is willing, participate in any economic activity for profit, and spend the fruits of their labor as they see fit as long as their actions are peaceful, their associations are voluntary, their interactions are consensual, and they don’t violate the personal or property rights of others.

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The nonconsensual initiation or real threat to initiate aggression against the person or property of others is always wrong. Aggression is justified only in defense of person or property or in retaliation against aggression but is not required.

Libertarianism is concerned only with actions, or the threat of actions, of aggression, not ideology. One’s personal judgments about religion, morality, ethics, values, or sin are immaterial. One’s private opinions about sex, aesthetics, culture, tradition, or the meaning of life are irrelevant. One’s secret thoughts about any individual, group, class, nationality, or race are neither here nor there.

It is no wonder that some people just don’t get it since it seems that even some libertarians just don’t get it either.

The recent libertarian debate over “thin” and “thick” libertarianism has apparently fizzled out. Lew Rockwell has succinctly explained the difference between the two:

The “thin” libertarian believes in the nonaggression principle, that one may not initiate physical force against anyone else. The thin libertarian thinks of himself simply as a libertarian, without labels. Most “thick” libertarians likewise believe in the nonaggression principle, but they believe that for the struggle for liberty to be coherent, libertarians must be committed to a slate of other views as well.

Now, although this slate might contain a variety of views, depending on the libertarian who is committed to it, there is one thing that is usually first on the list: the rejection of racism. The roots of this debate go back at least twenty years.

I first noticed this expansion of the libertarian creed in a popular libertarian book published about twenty years ago. There the author felt it necessary to express some moral sentiments that go beyond the bare description of the libertarian policy and called upon Americans to affirm their commitment to rise above racial prejudice and reject overt and hateful racism.

Then, about eight or so years ago, I saw where a libertarian writer pondered whether libertarianism should be seen as a “thin” commitment or one strand among others in a “thick” bundle of intertwined social commitments. There the writer expressed the opinion that certain beliefs or commitments could not be rejected without logically undermining the deeper reasons that justify the nonaggression principle. Although one could consistently accept libertarianism without accepting certain commitments or beliefs, one could not do so reasonably. Therefore, libertarians should endorse things that are conceptually independent of libertarian principles, be committed to opposing certain social practices or outcomes even though they are not themselves coercive, and incorporate certain social and cultural projects into libertarian theory and practice.

More recently, these two things have been put together, resulting in the following sentiments:

The grounds of libertarianism imply other obligations. Libertarianism is not just concerned with the proper and improper use of force. The strongest case for libertarianism entails commitments to not only the nonaggression principle but to other values that don’t directly relate to aggression, like racism that doesn’t violate rights. There are clear libertarian grounds for disapproving of racism that does not involve aggression. Racism is a primitive form of collectivism, which, of course, libertarians should detest. Racism can eat away at the values conducive to libertarianism. Implicit in racism is a potential for violence.

In addition to its unwarranted expansion of the nonaggression principle that strikes at the very core of libertarianism, I see three problems with this undue concern about libertarianism and racism.

First, the term “racism” is never defined or explained. The term is thrown around by some libertarians much the same as liberals, progressives, and social justice warriors employ it to attack and neutralize conservative and libertarian opponents of various government programs and social movements.

Second, the mostly left-libertarians who want to make value judgments about racism are generally vehemently opposed to libertarians making value judgments about things like abortion, an action that many libertarians consider to be a real violation of the nonaggression principle. And instead of being indifferent as to whether a libertarian uses drugs, views pornography, or practices an alternative lifestyle, it seems at times as though some of these libertarians believe that libertarians should celebrate these things.

Third, the most insidious thing about all of this is that it is an attack on free thought. “Racism” that doesn’t involve violence or aggression, or the threat of these things—just like love, hatred, infatuation, disgust, obsession, or revulsion that doesn’t involve violence or aggression, or the threat of these things—is a thought, an opinion, an idea, a belief, an attitude, a judgment. Libertarianism is concerned with action, not thoughts. Thoughts, like motives and desires, are the realm of morality and religion.

Being a libertarian doesn’t preclude one from making gender, ethnic, national, religious, or racial distinctions. It doesn’t disqualify one from discriminating for or against a particular gender, ethnic group, nationality, religion, or race. And it doesn’t prohibit one from judging that one gender, ethnic group, nationality, religion, or race is better or worse than another in some aspect or respect or more likely or less likely to do or not do something than another in some aspect or respect.

Doing these things doesn’t mean that one wants to commit, or that it will lead to one wanting to commit, aggression or violence against members of some gender, ethnic, national, religious, or racial group.

Can a libertarian be a “racist”? That is, can a libertarian think, deduce, conclude, presume, suppose, assume, or believe something about a racial group? Of course, he can. Just like a progressive, a centrist, a liberal, a Christian, an atheist, a moderate, or a conservative can. It doesn’t matter if people disagree on whether his thoughts are right or wrong, rational or irrational, correct or incorrect, logical or illogical, reasonable or unreasonable. Whether someone is a “racist” or has “racist” thoughts is beyond the scope of libertarianism.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

NN translation, slight oversimplification: Libertarianism is conservatism without the conservatism, and is (inevitable for any Jewish pet rock) beset with concerns that it should really be liberal, starting with raycissum. For Vance to hem and haw over raycissum is a shock.

Only in a Jued world is racism the next word you hear after something's created. Whether it's "let's start fighting racism" or "that's racist", it WILL be heard, and of course it's the only thing the "two major parties" exist for today because they are JUED.

The LP's presidential contenders this time included this guy (wikid):

Vermin Love Supreme[1] (born c. 1961) is an American performance artist and activist who has run as a candidate in various local, state, and national elections in the United States.[2][3][4] Supreme is known for wearing a boot as a hat and carrying a large toothbrush,[5] and has said that if elected President of the United States, he will pass a law requiring people to brush their teeth.[2][6][7][8] He has campaigned on a platform of zombie apocalypse awareness and time travel research,[9] and promised a free pony for every American.

It appears LP candidates and write-ins were 35% Jue on the 1st ballot this year, not including "None of the above" which got 5 of the 925 convention votes cast. 16 speakers included 3 Jues and a very liberal black who writes for Jewish World Review. Convention incidents according to wikid:

On May 29, candidate for Chairman of the LNC James Weeks took stage and stripped down to a thong, saying "I thought we could use a little bit of fun." He danced on the stage before announcing the suspension of his bid for chairperson. He was booed loudly by the delegates and removed from the convention.[7] The incident was streamed live on C-SPAN.

After losing the nomination to Gary Johnson, Austin Petersen endorsed the nominee and gave him a replica of George Washington's gun. Several delegates attending the convention later reported seeing Gary Johnson, the party's nominee, tossing the gift in the garbage. It was returned to Petersen by a family that attended the convention.[8] A spokesman for the campaign apologized on behalf of Gov. Johnson, and explained the frustration arose from Petersen handing Johnson the replica before immediately launching into an attack on Johnson's endorsement of Weld for Vice President. Petersen has expressed a desire to move past the incident, encouraging his supporters to do the same, and confirmed that his endorsement of Johnson for the general election remains unchanged.[9]

I don't know what's un-Libertarian about this year's LP pics for the Black House -- the LP is the party of open borders and "free trade", so anybody applying the L-word to themselves will just have to (wo)man up. Johnson and Weld look eerily similar here -- Weld is 5 years older but looks considerably more over-the-hill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Libertarian_National_Convention

Vance is writing the L-word in lower case. Logically libertarianism should simply be freedom-ism, but it always carries more baggage than that, usual racial. Capital-L Libertarianism has some excellent points but so did the Soviet constitution (actually quotes the Bible against socialism = 2 Th 3:10).

Wish the news were better, gang, but as you see it still reeks of gefiltefish.

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-16   9:42:25 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)

Would be kind not to equate libertarian thought with Libertarians :-)

Ada  posted on  2016-08-16   10:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#2) (Edited)

What IS libertarian thought then? It always leads to Libertarian insanity. Even Rothbard was wacko on the big subject till it was too late -- but at that point he simply became a real conservative in my book.

openborders.info/rothbard-immigration-about-face/

They used to hold Thomas Jefferson up as the original American libertarian, didn't they? Where the hell did that go?

(What a nice libertarian WTF alla sudden, by pure coincidence. But I'm sorry to inform them that Jobs' mother was Armenian, not Somali Bantu -- and Disney was German-English-Irish-American, not of Russian-Jueish mob background or anything. Whose that bloke in the middle? Looks white to me.)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-16   10:28:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

Sorry folks but I was a member of the LP for over 20 years. I quit, why, they have just become another political party just like the other two. WHO THE FRELL TO VOTE FOR??????

Darkwing  posted on  2016-08-16   11:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#3)

What IS libertarian thought then?

Libertarian thought boils down to the non-aggression policy. As Vance puts it,

The fundamental axiom of libertarian theory is that no one may threaten or commit violence (“aggress”) against another man’s person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a non-aggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory.

Some libertarians support open borders and some do not. The ones who don't invoke trespass.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-16   14:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Darkwing (#4)

WHO THE FRELL TO VOTE FOR??????

As the government, including the judiciary, has proved itself corrupt, the conscientious citizen should withhold consent Those who vote are consenting to the corruption.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-16   14:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#5)

Still I'm left wondering "where's the beef". It's all so abstract. Talk is cheap, fads take over, people go crazy. Those with the best ideas get ignored -- no drama, too white bread in the addled view of the masses.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-16   19:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)

It's all so abstract.

Maybe it just takes a while for the idea to percolate through. Come the Revolution . . .

Ada  posted on  2016-08-16   20:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ada (#8)

Mebbe it's just a bunch of airy-fairy phlogiston.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-16   22:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)

Mebbe it's just a bunch of airy-fairy phlogiston.

u talkin about the non aggression principle?

Ada  posted on  2016-08-17   8:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ada, All (#10)

Well, the idea that a bunch of idealistic Jues can make themselves the mandarins of some basics of sentient* existence and try to patent them as a new philosophy, political party etc. The non-aggression principle exists in natural (or common) law whether we jump up and declare it as something new or not. Or put a new coat of paint on it if you will.

Like I said, working from the word itself, libertarianism should simply be a movement of loving and reaffirming the principles of liberty, demanding they be respected by all, studying how they work according to the great minds of history (notably the Founding Fathers, Locke, Bastiat etc) and so forth -- you know, the stuff the GOP and education are supposed to be doing.

But being Jues they had to mix it crazily with liberalism -- open borders, "abortion" "rights" and whatnot. The actual result we know should be called freedomism or libertinarianism. We were taught freedoms growing up in publik skools -- not liberties, at least in my part of Jue Jersey, and I think there's a major difference there despite the good intentions involved and the merciful contrast with the brain laundries kids suffer through today.

Years ago before Bill White fully ruined his life an issue of his National Socialist mag went through the Jue founders of Libertarianism and the countries they'd been thrown out of etc. No doubt a slight doctoring of facts, it had a tangy feel of authenticity to it anyway.

*I almost said "human", but the fact is that animals have instincts for justice and mercy too -- better than humans much of the time. I used to object to calling us "humans" as too clinical, but have come to realize that humans are inhuman.

(Paul Harvey had a great show on that once.)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

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