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Title: Gays NOT born that way, the condition is linked to Mental Illness - US study
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URL Source: http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php ... ed-to-mental-illness-us-study/
Published: Aug 26, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-08-26 01:49:55 by Tatarewicz
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A cross-discipline study has challenged the belief that human sexuality and gender identity are determined by biology and remain fixed, saying that there is no scientific proof of this. The study cautioned against drastic medical treatment for transgender children.

The notion that sexual orientation is predetermined by biology is an important part of the current LGBT discourse. If a person has no choice over whether to be gay or not, society cannot demand that he or she be straight, so the argument goes.

But regardless of its political worth, the “born this way” paradigm is not backed up by sufficient scientific data, according to a new paper published in the autumn issue of the New Atlantis, a journal focusing on political, societal and ethical ramifications of technological advances.

The study does not claim that being gay is a choice, merely that stating the opposite may be wrong.

The 144-page paper was written by Dr. Lawrence S. Mayer, an epidemiologist and biostatistician also trained in psychiatry, who is currently a scholar in residence at the Department of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and Dr. Paul R. McHugh, a renowned psychiatrist, researcher, and educator and former chief of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital. The paper’s three parts focus on sexual orientation, links between sexuality and mental health, and gender identity.

Drawing on studies in fields varying from neurobiology to social sciences, the authors wrote that “The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings – the idea that people are ‘born that way’ – is not supported by scientific evidence.”

The term ‘sexual orientation’ itself is ambiguous and is used to describe attraction, behavior or identity by different researchers. Sometimes it refers to things such as belonging to a certain community or having certain fantasies.

“It is important, then, that researchers are clear about which of these domains are being studied, and that we keep in mind the researchers’ specified definitions when we interpret their findings,” the paper said.

There are biological factors associated with sexual behavior, the paper acknowledges, but there are no compelling “causal biological explanations for human sexual orientation.” Differences in the brain structures of gay and straight individuals identified by researchers are not necessarily innate and may be the result of environmental or psychological factors.

“The strongest statement that science offers to explain sexual orientation is that some biological factors appear, to an unknown extent, to predispose some individuals to a non-heterosexual orientation,” the paper said.

LGBT individuals are statistically at greater risk of having mental health problems than the general population, the authors say. As a more dramatic example, “the rate of lifetime suicide attempts across all ages of transgender individuals is estimated at 41 percent, compared to under 5 percent in the overall US population.”

The usually accepted explanation for this is social stress from discrimination and stigma, but the study said that those factors may not solely explain the disparity and that more scientific research on the issue is necessary.

The paper added that the notion that gender identity is fixed and determined by biological factors is also not backed up by data.

“In reviewing the scientific literature, we find that almost nothing is well understood when we seek biological explanations for what causes some individuals to state that their gender does not match their biological sex,” the authors said.

They strongly advocate caution in resorting to drastic medical treatment such as sex-reassignment surgery for people identified or identifying as transgender. This is especially true in children, whose sexuality is mutable and for whom such treatments may do more harm than good, they warn.

“There is little scientific evidence for the therapeutic value of interventions that delay puberty or modify the secondary sex characteristics of adolescents, although some children may have improved psychological well-being if they are encouraged and supported in their cross-gender identification,” the paper said. “There is no evidence that all children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.”

“Sexual orientation and gender identity resist explanation by simple theories. There is a large gap between the certainty with which beliefs are held about these matters and what a sober assessment of the science reveals. In the face of this complexity and uncertainty, we need to be humble about what we know and do not know,” it said.

The authors noted that their paper touches upon controversial issues and insist that first and foremost it is about science and the need for additional evidence in the field. Mayer said many people who contributed to the report asked not to be identified so as to distance themselves from the potential backlash.

“Some feared an angry response from the more militant elements of the LGBT community; others feared an angry response from the more strident elements of religiously conservative communities,” he said. “Most bothersome, however, is that some feared reprisals from their own universities for engaging such controversial topics, regardless of the report’s content—a sad statement about academic freedom.”

The paper was specifically written for the general public to draw attention to mental health problems of the LGBT community, the authors said. McHugh is an opponent of sex reassignment surgery for transgender people, arguing that it often fails to improve their well-being and instead does the opposite in the long run.

Source: www.rt.com/news/356848-study-sexual-orientation-fixed/

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LG just an imprinting error. No reason to suicide. Anyone can make a mistake as the hedgehog said while getting of the hair brush.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

The study does not claim that being gay is a choice, merely that stating the opposite may be wrong.

.........There are biological factors associated with sexual behavior, the paper acknowledges, but there are no compelling “causal biological explanations for human sexual orientation.” Differences in the brain structures of gay and straight individuals identified by researchers are not necessarily innate and may be the result of environmental or psychological factors.

“The strongest statement that science offers to explain sexual orientation is that some biological factors appear, to an unknown extent, to predispose some individuals to a non-heterosexual orientation,” the paper said.

This is starting to sound like the first big study the SPLC did purporting to identify hate groups by state and city. Included in the list for NC or somewhere was "Unknown organization, location unknown."

Are you sure the study wasn't written by a Mitt Romney speechwriter -- or Professor Irwin Corey?

:-D

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-26   2:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Who gives a hoot? I certainly don't. Although, when I was young, I thought it would be nice if many more men were gay; less competition for pretty females.

DWornock  posted on  2016-08-26   14:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz, neoconsnailed (#0)

The study does not differentiate between males and females. Camilla Paglia insists that for women it is a choice. She might be right but that does not make it so for men, some of whom choose unpleasant and usually useless reparative therapy to get rid of unwanted same-sex attraction. (Do women ever do this?)

Ada  posted on  2016-08-26   19:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: DWornock (#2)

I thought it would be nice if many more men were gay; less competition for pretty females.

I worked at the florist in Chicago when I was young making deliveries and helping with weddings and parties. All the designers, and the owner were gay, but me and the other delivery guy were straight. They always kidded me about marching in the Clark St. Parade (Gay Day). I wouldn't do it, of course.

But I never had so much fun until I started working at a florist with female designers. LOL

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-26   19:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

I completely disagree with this "study."

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-08-26   19:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

It sounds like it wasn't an entirely disenjoyable time for you -- you're a workplace Ulysses with many entertaining tales to tell :-]

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-26   21:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#3)

Entirely different burdens are placed on men, so it's only natural they should have more mental problems when bucking this tide -- and feel more desire to change. Whether it's possible or not, that's another issue.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-26   21:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

I worked at the florist... ...All the designers, and the owner were gay...

That is probably similar to fashion designers and I understand that many if not most are gay, so I am not surprised that the florists designers were gay.

DWornock  posted on  2016-08-26   22:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

you're a workplace Ulysses with many entertaining tales to tell

When I worked at the gay florist, I had the chance to catch a purse snatcher. I did, and they gave me a Chicago Police Citizen's Award in a frame. It was in my dresser drawer when all my furniture disappeared in Golden City. I am lucky to remember any of that. It was a very long time ago. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   6:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)

Entirely different burdens are placed on men, so it's only natural they should have more mental problems when bucking this tide -- and feel more desire to change. Whether it's possible or not, that's another issue.

Historically, gays have suffered much more discrimination than lesbians but the two are lumped together as far as mental problems are concerned. Don't know whether lesbians are any more subject to depression than the general population.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-27   9:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#9)

The things you've been through -- the injustice! Your furniture disappeared???

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-27   10:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)

Your furniture disappeared???

Even the sheets off my bed. The lousy thieves. God will get them. They will all have to answer for their misdeeds. They stole everything they could carry away. The cutlery, cooking utensils and coffee pot - everything! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   13:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BTP Holdings (#12)

Thieves are rarely THAT thorough. Do you have any idea who did it or why -- damn tnem?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-27   16:04:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#13)

Do you have any idea who did it

No idea. It was the scum bags that live out there. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   16:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)

Your furniture disappeared?

Yes it did. They tell me that those people carried away my furniture. But I suspect it was the pastor of the church gave it away. He gave it to some people that didn't have any. But I did not sell him the furniture, just the property. I had to buy a chest of drawers here in town, and a lamp with it since no light in bedroom. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   16:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#15)

We're getting this story backwards. Take it from the top please :-)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-27   16:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ada, Tatarewicz, neoconsnailed, Lod (#3)

....some of whom choose unpleasant and usually useless reparative therapy to get rid of unwanted same-sex attraction. (Do women ever do this?) <- operative question

But I'm a Cheerleader

The answer is, "Only in Jooish films that glorify, sympathise with and lionize sweet boys and a leathery dyke in love with the Yentl star of the film."

This was a vehicle to bash the religious right and celebrate and elevate the nigra tranny RuPaul, and to portray the mentally unwell victim/star-who-wouldn't-pay-her-rent-Natasha Lyonne in soft, skillfully lighted silk screen closeups. (like ancient Doris Day flix)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-08-27   16:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#17)

That is the lamest trailer I've ever seen.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-08-27   17:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#18)

That is the lamest trailer I've ever seen.

Then you can no doubt guess what a happy ending was for these film makers, producers, investors, actors, GLBT "on set advisers", etc.,.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2016-08-27   18:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)

guess what a happy ending was

No need to guess about those that play the skin flute or are carpet munchers. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-28   9:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: HOUNDDAWG, Tartarewicx, Lod, Neoconsnailed, Turtle (#17)

The Evidence for Born This Way

Ada  posted on  2016-08-29   8:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ada (#21)

Can you re-do that link? Thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-08-29   8:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#22)

Fixed it. The Evidence for Born This Way

Ada  posted on  2016-08-29   8:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ada (#23)

Thanks for more confirmation of my belief.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-08-29   9:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ada (#23)

Some interesting stuff on birth order there, but then the article contradicts itself and moves on to the molestation factor.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2016-08-29   11:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NeoconsNailed (#25)

Some interesting stuff on birth order there, but then the article contradicts itself and moves on to the molestation factor.

And they don't seem to have a clue as to whether women were "born that way" or not.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-29   12:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ada (#26)

Evidently females didn't respond as predictably to the porn films as did the males.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-08-29   12:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#27)

Evidently females didn't respond as predictably to the porn films as did the males.

Might mean that they were not "born that way". In fact, I don't recall a lesbian ever making that assertion.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-29   13:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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