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Title: The US: A Dead Nation Walking
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URL Source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201 ... on-walking-paul-craig-roberts/
Published: Aug 27, 2016
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2016-08-27 09:14:13 by Ada
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Here is an informative article by Dmitry Orlov: www.cluborlov.com

I use the writings of Orlov and The Saker as checks on my own conclusions.

In his article Orlov concludes that the United States is a dead nation, still walking, but no longer a uni-power. I agree with Orlov that US weapon systems are more focused on profits than on effectiveness and that Russia has superior weapons and a superior cause based on protection rather than dominance. However, in his assessment of the possibility of nuclear war, I think that Orlov under-appreciates the commitment of Washington’s Neoconservatives to US world hegemony and the recklessness of the Neoconservatives and Hillary Clinton. Washington is incensed that Russia (and China) dare to stand up to Washington, and this anger crowds out judgment.

Orlov, also, I think, under-estimates the weakness in the Russian government provided by the “Atlanticist Integrationists.” These are members of the Russian elite who believe that Russia’s future depends on being integrated with the West. To achieve this integration, they are willing to sacrifice some undetermined amount of Russian sovereignty.

It is my conclusion that Washington is aware of the constraint that the desire for Western acceptance puts on the Russian government and that this is why Washington, in a direct thrust at Russia, was comfortable orchestrating the coup that overthrew the elected Ukrainian government. I believe that this constraint also explains the mistakes the Russian government made by refusing the requests of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics to be reincorporated as parts of Russia, where the territories formerly resided, and by the premature withdrawal from Syria that allowed Washington to resupply the jihadists and to insert US forces into the conflict, thus complicating the situation for Russia and Syria.

Orlov sees Russian advantage in the ongoing conflict between Kiev and the breakaway republics as the conflict could be leading to the collapse of the US puppet government in Kiev. However, the disadvantage is that the ongoing conflict is blamed on Russia and feeds Western anti-Russian propaganda. It also makes Russia look weak and unsure of itself as if the Western criticism of Russia’s reincorporation of Crimea has struck home and Russia is afraid to repeat it by accepting the pleas of the break-away republics.

Moreover, if the Russian government had accepted the requests of Donetsk and Luhansk to return to Russia from which they were artificailly separated, not only would the conflict have been ended, but also the Ukrainian people would have realized the disaster caused by Washington’s coup against their government, and Europe would have realized from decisive Russian action that it was not in Europe’s interest to provoke Russia in behalf of Washington. The correct Russian response was prevented by the Atlanticist Integrationist desire to appease Washington.

In contrast to Orlov, The Saker underestimates Russian military strength, but he does understand the constraints placed on Russian decisiveness by the Atlanticist Integrationists, who seem to count in their ranks the economic establishment including the central bank and perhaps the prime minister himself. Putin does not seem to be overly concerned with what appears to me to be a fifth column of Washington’s agents as Putin himself has placed heavy bets on achieving accommodation with the West. However, Putin has cracked down on the US-financed NGOs that have tried to destabilize Russia.

Western reporting and think tank and university reports on Russia are propaganda and are useless to understanding the situation. For example, in the current issue of The National Interest Thomas Graham, who had the Russian desk on the National Security Council during the George W. Bush regime, attributes the “destabilization of eastern Ukraine” to “Russia’s annexation of Crimea.” He avoids mentioning the US-orchestrated overthrow of an elected Ukrainian government and that Crimea voted overwhelmingly (97 percent) to rejoin Russia when faced with the Russophobic government Washington established in Kiev. nationalinterest.org/feature/the-sources-russian-conduct-17462

According to Graham, the foul deed of Russia’s acceptance of a democratic outcome upset all of Washington’s very friendly, supportive, and hopeful attitudes toward Russia. With all of Washington’s “assumptions that had guided America’s Russia policy” irreversibly dashed, it is no longer possible to maintain that Russia “is a suitable partner for addressing global issues.” Graham goes on to define Russia as a problem because Russia favors a multi-polar world to a uni-polar world run by Washington.

It is possible to read Graham’s repeat of the propaganda line as Graham genuflecting before the Neoconservatives before going on quietly in a low-key manner to attack their hegemonic attitude toward Russia. In his concluding paragraph Graham says that Washington must find a new approach to Russia, an approach of balance and limits that rejects “resort to force, which would be devastating given the destructive power of modern weaponry.”

All in all, it is an artful argument that begins by blaming Russia’s response to Washington’s provocations for a dangerous situation and concludes with the argument that Washington must adjust to Russia’s defense of her own national interests.

It is reassuring to see some realism creeping back into Washington attitudes toward Russia. However, realism is still a minority view, and it is highly unlikely that it would be the view of a Hillary regime.

In my opinion, the chance of nuclear war from Neoconservative intention, miscalculation or false launch warning remains high. The provocations of US/NATO military forces and missile bases on Russia’s borders are reckless as they build tensions between nuclear powers. It is in times of tension that false warnings are believed and miscalculations occur. In the interest of life on earth, Washington should be de-escalating tensions with Russia, not building them. So far there is no sign that the Neoconservatives are willing to give up their hegemonic agenda for the sake of life on earth.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Lets cut to the chase...

Russia and Pooty Poot go to bed each night worrying about ...CHINA... not the US.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-08-27   9:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Russia and Pooty Poot go to bed each night worrying about ...CHINA... not the US.

China isn't trying to surround Russia with military bases.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-27   9:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#2)

China isn't trying to surround Russia with military bases.

Since WWII we have surrounded Russia with bases.

From necessity.

Simple math, for us to wage war on Russia. we have to travel 7000 miles by air. Logistical problem there????

China, on the other hand, can step over the border in two seconds.

Whom should I fear,a bad guy in California or the bad guy living next door?

Cynicom  posted on  2016-08-27   9:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Simple math, for us to wage war on Russia. we have to travel 7000 miles by air. Logistical problem there????

China, on the other hand, can step over the border in two seconds.

Whom should I fear,a bad guy in California or the bad guy living next door?

And the U.S. has been transferring military equipment and units to Australia and the South Pacific for the last five years. Is this a clue that we might expect some extracurricular activities to begin with the Chinkernese in that area? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   10:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#3)

Simple math, for us to wage war on Russia.

And the desire to wage war on Russia is the problem.

Ada  posted on  2016-08-27   10:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

Is this a clue

The Japanese started building the worlds largest aircraft carrier fleet in the 1920/30s. At the same time they started fortifying islands,southward in western Pacific, towards Australia.

Why did they do that?

Large population, unable feed themselves and no oil.

In 1938, future ambassador Kawai from Japan to Australia, wrote this..

"""'Nations with rapidly growing populations and inadequate resources have a far more legitimate claim to the world's remaining unexploited areas than those nations which already enjoy the blessings of abundance."""

Before war began, Kawai TOLD THE AUSTRALIANS THAT JAPAN WAS COMING SOUTH, that talking days were over. Eyes that read, ears that listen, brains that function should be able to see a parallel. China is building a carrier fleet of the first class, at a furious rate. What for?

Cynicom  posted on  2016-08-27   11:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#1)

Russia and Pooty Poot go to bed each night worrying about ...CHINA... not the US.

The so-called "smart" don't study history anymore.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-08-27   11:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ada (#5)

And the desire to wage war on Russia is the problem.

That is beyond comprehension.

It is to our benefit that Russia REMAIN VIABLE AND STRONG.

Russia likewise, DOES NOT WANT US TO LEAVE EUROPE OR ASIA.

Russia is between a rock and a hard place. The Chinese can walk in any day, Russia has everything China needs, food, land, oil etc etc.

What in Gods name would we want with Russia????

Cynicom  posted on  2016-08-27   11:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#7)

The so-called "smart" don't study history anymore.

They also will not listen and think on their own.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-08-27   11:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

That is beyond comprehension.

It is to our benefit that Russia REMAIN VIABLE AND STRONG.

Russia likewise, DOES NOT WANT US TO LEAVE EUROPE OR ASIA.

Are you blind, or just pretending to be?

Oh yes, Russia just LOVES our missile bases right up to their borders poised to target their nuclear deterrent, love the sabre rattling NATO war games threatening them, and REALLY love all those de-stabilizing sanctions imposed upon them.

Are you MAD?

OF COURSE it would be to our benefit for Russia to remain strong and viable, but that is not what the puppetmasters think obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be doing everything in their power to destabilize it.

Russia is between a rock and a hard place. The Chinese can walk in any day, Russia has everything China needs, food, land, oil etc etc.

Uh huh. So you think Russia is defenseless?

What in Gods name would we want with Russia????

Why don't you go ask your buddies at the US State Department, such as Victoria Nuland?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   12:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#10)

Hey, you!

Quit using You when You respond to Cynical Olde Man. He takes it as an insult and he's unlikely to change his set-in-his ways at his age.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-08-27   12:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom, Turtle (#9)

The so-called "smart" don't study history anymore.

They also will not listen and think on their own.

You two are the poster children for what you speak of.

No matter how many hard facts are presented, you will both stubbornly insist that things are the opposite of what they truly are.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   12:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Hey, you!

Hahaha.

The old geezer doesn't even read my posts, that or he's too cowardly to address them.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   12:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#9)

They also will not listen and think on their own.

I suspect the only reason China doesn't take what it wants in Siberia is because of the horrendous loss of life and wealth.

Better to move slow and easy.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-08-27   12:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#1)

Russia and Pooty Poot go to bed each night worrying about ...CHINA... not the US.

More like Obongo is sweating bullets that China is ready to sink US ships, and Russia is engaging in joint naval exercises WITH China.

You're living in the 1960s. Throw out those old newspapers and try reading some newer material.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   12:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#14)

China is military allies with Russia. You're living in the same decade as Cyni, and that is somewhere back in the last century.

China, unlike the lunatics running the show in OUR country, realize that there is no winner in a nuclear war.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   12:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)

China wants Siberia and is slowly moving in. That's modern, not another generation.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2016-08-27   12:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#6)

Obnoxicated  posted on  2016-08-27   12:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Turtle (#14)

I suspect the only reason China doesn't take what it wants in Siberia is because of the horrendous loss of life and wealth.

The Russians are dealing with the 10 million illegal Chinese in Siberia the same way we are dealing with the 10 million illegal Mexicans in this country - they are doing NOTHING ABOUT THEM! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   12:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#6)

In 1938, future ambassador Kawai from Japan to Australia, wrote this..

"""'Nations with rapidly growing populations and inadequate resources have a far more legitimate claim to the world's remaining unexploited areas than those nations which already enjoy the blessings of abundance."""

Before war began, Kawai TOLD THE AUSTRALIANS THAT JAPAN WAS COMING SOUTH, that talking days were over. Eyes that read, ears that listen, brains that function should be able to see a parallel. China is building a carrier fleet of the first class, at a furious rate. What for?

The parallels are uncanny.

In China, people go to the nearby garbage dump to scavenge for scraps of food for their pets.

Remember that Putin has said to the press that they have done nothing to prevent a nuclear war from breaking out between Russia and the U.S.

Some time earlier this year, U.S. fighter-interceptors turned away Russian bombers off all four coasts.

And who should we worry about? The Chinese or the Russians? I think both, since the U.S. has been waging a low grade war against both. The proof is in the pudding. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-08-27   13:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Turtle (#17)

China wants Siberia and is slowly moving in.

Uh huh. Please provide some satellite images of Chinese troops invading Siberia, along with some legit news reports of a Chinese invasion of Russia.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   14:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#6)

China is building a carrier fleet of the first class, at a furious rate. What for?

Obviously not to invade Siberia. They're doing it to project power eastward..


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2016-08-27   15:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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